Open 568: Wolf Gang City (C18++ – YEP SHE'S SINGIN')

[Kaiveran]

Orion City has a curse. But you'll never hear it called by its proper name now.

I've long since given up hope of lifting it. From before I was born, a war has been raging in these streets – a perpetual cycle of conflict between those who have willingly given up their humanity, and those who have had it wrested from them. Nobody can really tell me how or when it started. But whether ruthless criminal or mythical beast, the machinations of evil always progress in the same way. First behind closed doors and in dark corners, and then more brazenly and openly as they accrue more power and influence and hope to subdue the populace through terror. We know that whoever wins these battles, we will lose. So time and time again we've thrown ourselves into the fray, stepping into the crossfire where no one else dares.

I've lost a lot of comrades to the struggle...and every time we summon the strength to stamp out these inhuman menaces that constantly besiege us, they just come back again. Sometimes more powerful, sometimes more clever, sometimes just more stubborn. And every time we do this dance, it takes a little more out of us. Soon there'll be nothing left. This city was once "a shining oasis", as my grandfather put it; a broad-shouldered refuge among the inhospitable barren rocks. Now, only a few thousand dare to stay in its increasingly decrepit remains.

I've tried to tell people to get out of here, that there's nothing left for anyone here. We can't save this city – God knows that we've tried. But they've grown illogical, gnarled roots here. They think that no matter how bad it gets, they have to endure it, because no one has the right to tell them how and where they should live or take their lives at a whim, not even the big bad men with guns and connections and tradecraft nor the predatory beasts that roam the streets at night.

I used to think they were stupid. Admirable for their bravery, but stupid all the same. But it seems that after a while, either I've grown the same kind of roots that they have or I've realized the truth in their words. Either way, I swore an oath to these people – to serve and protect. And now that I've sensed that the hour has come again, I will stand and fight with everything I've got.

Maybe it'll be the last time. But if it is, at least we'll have died on our feet, instead of living on our knees...

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featuring our all-star cast...

1. Honey Bee
   
2. Flames682
   
3. Anatole Kuragin
   
4. beastcharizard
   
5. don_johnson (replaced by Bicephalous Bob Day 2)
   
6. FuDuzn
   
7. Skelda (replaced by Cabd Day 2)
   
8. Shiryu
   
9. SnugglyDuckling (replaced by neil1113 Day 2, who was replaced by SlappyBalls Day 5)
   
10. Elmo TeH AzN
    
11. Not_Mafia
    
12. kyndy101 (replaced by Lissa Day 2)
    
13. Docthorr (replaced by Csareo Day 1)
    
14. hayatoBL
    
15. Flubbernugget

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This game's mode of carnage will be

Two-Fold C9++

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C18++

for short), a setup of my own devising.

Everything you need to know should be there in the wiki article.

If you're confused about anything, feel free to shoot me questions via PM!

[Kaiveran]

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A. General Rules

1.

Above all, this is a game – have fun!

2.

Keep in mind that there are rules with higher authority than mine, and those are mith’s rules. Be sure to follow them as well.

3.

As a corollary to the above, please do not discuss events in other ongoing games in this one. This holds true even on any outside communication this particular setup may allow.

4

. I’m only a cute fluffy furry thing, and as such, I’m bound to make mistakes. If you believe I have made an error in moderation, feel free to send me a PM and tell me what you think is wrong. Some mistakes are minor and can be corrected, but other mistakes may not be correctable. These will stand as final to be discussed at the end of the game.

5.

Be courteous to your fellow players. This is just a game, and any blatant personal attacks on another player will not be tolerated. Remember that everyone just wants to have fun!

6.

Once you are dead, you are

dead

. Dead people are not known by modern science to speak, so please refrain from posting in the topic after you are dead. This means no bah posts, as much as I want to have fun at your expense by forcing you to write bizarre ones.

B. The Day Phase: Voting, Lynching, and Biding Your Time

1

. Days in this game shall use

Player-Pool-Dependent Deadlines.

• Days shall have a
  guaranteed minimum
  deadline of
  7 days
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• Days may last up to
  N*2 days,
  where N is the number of players alive at the start of the day
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2

. The standard format of a vote shall be

bold text

consisting of the word “Vote” followed by the name of the player you are voting for, e.g

Vote: Kaiveran

. You may also vote no lynch by posting

Vote: No Lynch

. Using vote tags is acceptable. Abbreviations of names are acceptable, but I must be able to tell who you are voting for. If it’s not clear I will not count it.

3.

Conversely, if I think it’s a vote, it’s a vote. Make your intentions known.

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Say

Unvote

to retract your vote. You do not need to unvote for a vote change to be counted. You do not need to specify the player you are unvoting.

5.

An instant lynch will occur

if and only if

an absolute majority (>50%) of all votes are in for a given candidate.

6.

At a deadline, lynch can occur with a lower number of votes, defined as

at least

25% of all votes. If there is not a majority by the deadline, then the person with the highest number of votes above the quota will be lynched and night will begin. In the case of a tie vote above the quota, one of the candidates will be selected at random to be lynched. If no person has a number of votes at or above the quota, there will be no lynch.

7.

The day ends either at a deadline or when I say it does. If a (no-)lynch technically occurs, all alive players including the lynchee may converse until I lock the thread and confirm the lynch (or lack thereof).

C. The Night Phase: All Quiet On The Killing Floor

1.

All nights will have a deadline of 72 hours, during which all active power roles must send me a PM with their choices.

2.

If a night action is not sent in during this time, the action will be forfeit if it is optional, or randomized if it is required (and I

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treat actions as required if they are specified as such in the setup.)

3.

If I receive multiple night choice PMs from someone, only the latest one will be counted.

D. The Do’s and Don’ts (Mostly Don’ts)

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This is to alleviate any “mod-impersonation” issues, so feel free to make your posts as colorful as you want. Just don’t include anything that looks like this. Violations can be dealt with via anything from warning to modkill, depending on how seriously it derails the game.

NOTICE: ArcAngel is my backup mod. She has set her color to

BLUE, like this.

All above rules apply.

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This game is to be played in the

English

language, with no funny business such as invisible, encrypted, coded, or illegibly small text. If you believe you have encountered such a message in a player's post, please point it out to me via PM and I shall handle the situation.

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Unless it is explicitly stated in your role PM or this specific setup’s rules/mechanics that you can do so, do not communicate with anyone outside this thread. Even then, only communicate when your role PM states you can.

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Do not

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prove

those communications took place.) If you are unsure if something is legal, feel free to ask me via PM. Please note that quoting mod information is considered

cheating,

and is subject to the cheating penalties below.

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I reserve modkills for serious or repeat offenders of the rules, and will use my judgment to administer them. Modkills may come with additional punishing conditions, but

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if the action that led to the modkill is deemed as cheating, which I define as giving a faction unfair advantage over the other. IF AND ONLY IF a player is modkilled for cheating:

• A modkill on Town will end a Day phase, but a Night phase will be allowed to continue.
  
• A modkill on Mafia in a standard game will end a Night phase, but allow a Day phase to continue.
  
• A modkill on a member of one Scumteam in a game with multiple anti-town factions will NOT end the Night, but rather deny that team a factional kill for the night.

Under NO OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES shall a modkill count as a lynch, or any factional kill.

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. If you pretend or fake breaking any of these rules, it shall carry the same consequences as actually breaking the rules. For example, if you think you can “quote” a Scum PM as town and prove that you are really town by not getting modkilled, then you’re sadly mistaken; you will still be modkilled.

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Last but not least,

I

am the mod here. That means

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am the only one who really knows what’s up, and

I

say when the game is over. So for your own good,

please

refrain from revealing possible endgames before I do. What you

think

is happening might not be what is actually happening; if you reveal your team/role/other stuff and the game happens to continue, you may have just screwed over your team, and if you come in after you are dead/replaced and congratulate players on their “win”, you could risk getting banned. So be patient and wait for me to post.

E. Activity Management and Other Matters

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. This starts with you. Treat this game as a commitment, and try your best to stay active. If you will be unable to participate for a period 3 days or longer, please note a V/LA in the thread or PM me saying so, and I will put you down in the VCs/updates. Please note that I reserve the right to force-replace you if I think your absence will disrupt the game at any point.

2.

If a player has not posted for a certain amount of time, they will receive a prod. This time period shall be either

3 days

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N/7 days

(rounded down to the nearest whole number), where N is the number of real life days within the deadline; whichever is smaller. If the prod is not picked up within the same amount of time, the player will be force-replaced.

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You may be prodded a maximum of

2

times. If you come up for a theoretical third prod, you will simply be replaced, no questions asked.

4.

Barring extreme circumstances, I will not grant extensions to any deadlines in this game. It’s up to you to use your time wisely.

[Kaiveran]

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Current State of the Game:

OVER – TOWN WIN

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Cabd,

Vanilla Townie

SleepyKrew,

1-Shot Cop

Josh_B,

Vanilla Townie

Flubbernugget,

Vanilla Townie

Dead (11/15)

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Csareo,

Vanilla Townie

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beastcharizard,

Town

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Elmo TeH AzN,

Mafia Goon

, killed Night 1

Lissa,

Vanilla Townie

, lynched Day 2

Shiryu,

Town Tracker

, killed Night 2

Bicephalous Bob,

Mafia Goon

, killed Night 2

FuDuzn,

Mafia Spy

, lynched Day 3

Honey Bee,

Vanilla Townie

, killed Night 3

Flames682,

Master Wolf

, lynched Day 4

Anatole Kuragin,

Town Guardian

, killed Night 4

Not_Mafia,

Werewolf

, lynched Day 5

Blacklisted For Being a Dirty Commie (0/15)

Spoiler:

stay in drugs don't do vegetables eat your school

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Pregame

Role PM's go out

Day 1

Votecount 1.1
Votecount 1.2
Votecount 1.3
Csareo replaces Docthorr
Votecount 1.4
Votecount 1.5
Votecount 1.6
Votecount 1.7
Votecount 1.8 – Csareo is lynched

Night 1

beastcharizard and Elmo TeH AzN dead

Day 2

Votecount 2.1
Votecount 2.2
Lissa replaces kyndy101
Votecount 2.3
neil1113 replaces SnugglyDuckling
Votecount 2.4
Votecount 2.5
Votecount 2.6
Votecount 2.7
Votecount 2.8
Votecount 2.9
Votecount 2.10
Notice of Replacement/Deadline Freeze
Cabd replaces Skelda
Votecount 2.11
Josh_B replaces hayatoBL – Deadline Reinstated
Votecount 2.12
Votecount 2.13
Votecount 2.14 – Lissa is lynched

Night 2

Shiryu and Bob die

Day 3

Votecount 3.1
Votecount 3.2
Votecount 3.3 – FuDuzn is lynched

Night 3

Honey bee dies

Day 4

Votecount 4.1 – Flames682 is lynched

Night 4

Anatole Kuragin dies

Day 5

Votecount 5.1
Votecount 5.2
Votecount 5.3 – Not_Mafia is lynched

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Anatole Kuragin – 0/8 –

beastcharizard – 0/8 –

don_johnson – 0/8 –

FuDuzn – 0/8 –

Skelda – 0/8 –

Shiryu – 0/8 –

SnugglyDuckling – 0/8 –

Elmo TeH AzN – 0/8 –

Not_Mafia – 0/8 –

kyndy101 – 0/8 –

Docthorr – 0/8 –

hayatoBL – 0/8 –

Flubbernugget – 0/8 –

NO LYNCH – 0/8 –

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FuDuzn – 1/8 –

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Elmo TeH AzN – 0/8 –

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kyndy101 – 0/8 –

Docthorr – 0/8 –

hayatoBL – 0/8 –

Flubbernugget – 1/8 –

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NO LYNCH – 0/8 –

Not Voting:

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3:30 PM Chicago Time, October 2nd, 2014

Honey Bee – 1/8 –

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Flames682 – 0/8 –

Anatole Kuragin – 0/8 –

beastcharizard – 0/8 –

don_johnson – 0/8 –

FuDuzn – 1/8 –

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Skelda – 1/8 –

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Shiryu – 1/8 –

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Docthorr – 0/8 –

hayatoBL

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Flubbernugget – 1/8 –

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NO LYNCH – 0/8 –

Not Voting:

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Honey Bee – 0/8 –

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Anatole Kuragin – 0/8 –

beastcharizard

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don_johnson – 0/8 –

FuDuzn – 0/8 –

Skelda – 0/8 –

Shiryu – 1/8 –

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SnugglyDuckling – 1/8 –

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Elmo TeH AzN – 0/8 –

Not_Mafia – 1/8 –

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Docthorr – 0/8 –

hayatoBL – 2/8 –

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NO LYNCH – 0/8 –

Not Voting:

Anatole Kuragin, don_johnson, Skelda, SnugglyDuckling

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Honey Bee – 0/8 –

Flames682 – 0/8 –

Anatole Kuragin – 0/8 –

beastcharizard

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FuDuzn, Flames682, hayatoBL, Skelda, kyndy101, Shiryu

don_johnson – 0/8 –

FuDuzn – 0/8 –

Skelda – 0/8 –

Shiryu – 1/8 –

beastcharizard

SnugglyDuckling – 0/8 –

Elmo TeH AzN – 0/8 –

Not_Mafia – 1/8 –

Honey Bee

kyndy101 – 0/8 –

Csareo – 0/8 –

hayatoBL – 1/8 –

Flubbernugget

Flubbernugget – 3/8 –

Docthorr, Elmo TeH AzN, Not_Mafia

NO LYNCH – 0/8 –

Not Voting:

Anatole Kuragin, don_johnson, SnugglyDuckling

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Flames682 – 0/8 –

Anatole Kuragin – 0/8 –

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don_johnson – 0/8 –

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Skelda – 0/8 –

Shiryu – 1/8 –

hayatoBL

SnugglyDuckling – 0/8 –

Elmo TeH AzN – 0/8 –

Not_Mafia – 1/8 –

Honey Bee

kyndy101 – 0/8 –

Csareo – 4/8 –

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hayatoBL – 1/8 –

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NO LYNCH – 0/8 –

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Flames682 – 0/8 –

Anatole Kuragin – 0/8 –

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don_johnson – 0/8 –

FuDuzn – 1/8 –

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Skelda – 0/8 –

Shiryu – 2/8 –

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SnugglyDuckling – 0/8 –

Elmo TeH AzN – 0/8 –

Not_Mafia – 1/8 –

Honey Bee

kyndy101 – 0/8 –

Csareo

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don_johnson, Anatole Kuragin, Skelda, Elmo TeH AzN, kyndy101, Flames682

hayatoBL – 1/8 –

Flubbernugget

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Not_Mafia

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Not Voting:

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Anatole Kuragin – 0/8 –

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don_johnson – 0/8 –

FuDuzn – 1/8 –

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Skelda – 0/8 –

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ok so I don't like how it turns a hard to see yellow color in the middle of the second paragraph, but I don't want to change anything cause I' lazy.

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Honey Bee – 0/8 –

Flames682 – 0/8 –

Anatole Kuragin – 0/8 –

beastcharizard – 1/8 –

Shiryu

don_johnson – 0/8 –

FuDuzn – 1/8 –

Csareo

Skelda – 0/8 –

Shiryu – 2/8 –

beastcharizard, Honey Bee

SnugglyDuckling – 0/8 –

Elmo TeH AzN – 0/8 –

Not_Mafia – 0/8 –

kyndy101 – 0/8 –

Csareo – 8/8 –

don_johnson, Anatole Kuragin, Elmo TeH AzN, kyndy101, Flames682, FuDuzn, hayatoBL, Not_Mafia

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Flubbernugget

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Not_Mafia

NO LYNCH – 0/8 –

Not Voting:

Skelda, SnugglyDuckling

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I caught word of a homicide by mob at the Merce Avenue station – a branch terminal of the one subway line still in operation here. This city had big plans, before the first war subjected them to a blunt, brutal amputation. So much hope...so much that could have been. As I stand here at the entrance to the stairway down, I feel the nostalgia subside to some weary, nebulous sense of dread.

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"Hey there, Kyle," she says, fixing her eyes on me just as a arrive on the last landing. "You're late to the party!"

What a character she is. A sweet blonde with plenty of brains to go with her looks. And that perpetual cheer, that unfailing optimism too, even in the face of all this, even though her daddy's big house is locked up like Fort Knox and she knows full well why. She'll learn soon enough. Problem is, I'm not sure I want her to.

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Flames682 – 0/7 –

Anatole Kuragin – 0/7 –

don_johnson – 0/7 –

FuDuzn – 0/7 –

Skelda – 0/7 –

Shiryu – 0/7 –

SnugglyDuckling – 0/7 –

Not_Mafia – 0/7 –

kyndy101 – 0/7 –

hayatoBL – 0/7 –

Flubbernugget – 0/7 –

NO LYNCH – 0/7 –

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Honey Bee, Flames682, Anatole Kuragin, don_johnson, FuDuzn, Skelda, Shiryu, SnugglyDuckling, Not_Mafia, kyndy101, hayatoBL, Flubbernugget

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Flames682 – 0/7 –

Anatole Kuragin – 0/7 –

don_johnson – 0/7 –

FuDuzn – 0/7 –

Skelda – 0/7 –

Shiryu – 1/7 –

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Not_Mafia, don_johnson, Shiryu

Not_Mafia – 2/7 –

Anatole Kuragin, Honey bee

kyndy101 – 0/7 –

hayatoBL – 0/7 –

Flubbernugget – 0/7 –

NO LYNCH – 0/7 –

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Flames682, Skelda, SnugglyDuckling, kyndy101, hayatoBL, Flubbernugget

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@kaiveran: Do werewolves (or mafia) know their defector (or traitor) allies?

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Kai: I think both kynd and Skelda deserve a prod, don't you? Thanks.

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Honey bee – 0/7 –

Flames682 – 1/7 –

hayatoBL

Anatole Kuragin – 0/7 –

don_johnson – 0/7 –

FuDuzn – 1/7 –

Flubbernugget

Skelda – 0/7 –

Shiryu – 1/7 –

FuDuzn

SnugglyDuckling

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Not_Mafia, Shiryu

Not_Mafia

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Anatole Kuragin, Honey bee

kyndy101 – 0/7 –

hayatoBL – 0/7 –

Flubbernugget – 0/7 –

NO LYNCH – 0/7 –

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Flames682, don_johnson, Skelda, SnugglyDuckling, kyndy101

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Welcome Lissa!

@Kaiveran: I will be V/LA for the next 3 days and should be back on Monday.

Mod, I also will be v/la for at least the next couple days being crazy busy at work. I hope to be back Saturday night. Probably should have stated my v/la for today as well

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Honey bee – 0/7 –

Flames682 – 1/7 –

hayatoBL

Anatole Kuragin – 1/7 –

don_johnson

don_johnson – 0/7 –

FuDuzn

– 2/7 –

Flubbernugget, Not_Mafia

Skelda – 0/7 –

Shiryu – 1/7 –

FuDuzn

SnugglyDuckling – 0/7 –

Not_Mafia – 1/7 –

Honey bee

Lissa – 0/7 –

hayatoBL

– 2/7 –

Lissa, Anatole Kuragin

Flubbernugget – 0/7 –

NO LYNCH – 0/7 –

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Flames682, Skelda, Shiryu, SnugglyDuckling

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Phone posting here.

I'm going to go ahead and recommend against a ban here. however I must ask you to PLEASE look more closely at the rules and activity deadlines set by the moderator in the future. Also, please read the thread before replying.

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Flames682 – 1/7 –

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don_johnson – 0/7 –

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neil1113 – 0/7 –

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Lissa – 0/7 –

hayatoBL

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NO LYNCH – 0/7 –

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apologies, guys. but I am not finding the time to devote to this game.

mod: request replacement. sorry.

Noted.

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Honey bee – 0/7 –

Flames682 – 0/7 –

Anatole Kuragin – 2/7 –

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Skelda – 0/7 –

Shiryu – 0/7 –

neil1113 – 0/7 –

Not_Mafia – 2/7 –

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Lissa – 1/7 –

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hayatoBL – 1/7 –

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Flubbernugget – 0/7 –

NO LYNCH – 0/7 –

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Bicephalous Bob replaces don_johnson!

yes that is correct thanks mod hi guys

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*facepalm* Sorry, it was late and I have accidentally saved my confirmation post as a draft rather than posting it.

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Honey bee – 0/7 –

Flames682 – 0/7 –

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FuDuzn – 1/7 –

Not_Mafia

Skelda – 0/7 –

Shiryu – 2/7 –

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Not_Mafia – 1/7 –

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Lissa – 1/7 –

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hayatoBL – 1/7 –

Anatole Kuragin

Flubbernugget – 1/7 –

Shiryu

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Not Voting:

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no that's not happening

he was right about it being a dumb question

even if it wasn't, it's a poor excuse to stop

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Skelda – 0/7 –

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hayatoBL – 1/7 –

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@kai: may you issue some prods please?

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Bicephalous Bob – 1/7 –

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FuDuzn – 1/7 –

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NO LYNCH – 0/7 –

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12:00 Midnight Chicago Time, October 8th-9th, 2014.

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Flames682 – 1/7 –

Skelda

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Flames682

Bicephalous Bob – 1/7 –

Shiryu

FuDuzn – 2/7 –

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Skelda – 0/7 –

Shiryu – 0/7 –

neil1113 – 0/7 –

Not_Mafia – 1/7 –

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hayatoBL, Bicephalous Bob, Honey bee, neil1113

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Flubbernugget – 0/7 –

NO LYNCH – 0/7 –

Not Voting:

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Honey bee – 0/7 –

Flames682 – 1/7 –

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Flames682, hayatoBL, Lissa

Bicephalous Bob – 1/7 –

Shiryu

FuDuzn – 2/7 –

Not_Mafia, Flubbernugget

Cabd – 0/7 –

Shiryu – 0/7 –

neil1113 – 0/7 –

Not_Mafia – 2/7 –

FuDuzn, Bicephalous Bob

Lissa – 2/7 –

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hayatoBL – 1/7 –

Anatole Kuragin

Flubbernugget – 0/7 –

NO LYNCH – 0/7 –

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6:15 AM Chicago Time, October 12, 2014

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Flames682 – 0/7 –

Anatole Kuragin – 2/7 –

Flames682, Lissa

Bicephalous Bob – 1/7 –

Shiryu

FuDuzn – 2/7 –

Not_Mafia, Flubbernugget

Cabd – 0/7 –

Shiryu – 0/7 –

neil1113 – 0/7 –

Not_Mafia – 1/7 –

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Lissa

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Flubbernugget – 0/7 –

NO LYNCH – 0/7 –

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Cabd

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6:15 AM Chicago Time, October 12, 2014

Honey bee – 0/7 –

Flames682 – 0/7 –

Anatole Kuragin – 2/7 –

Flames682, Lissa

Bicephalous Bob – 0/7 –

FuDuzn – 2/7 –

Not_Mafia, Flubbernugget

Cabd – 0/7 –

Shiryu – 0/7 –

neil1113 – 0/7 –

Not_Mafia – 1/7 –

FuDuzn

Lissa

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Honey bee, neil1113, Bicephalous Bob, Anatole Kuragin, Shiryu

Josh_B – 0/7 –

Flubbernugget – 0/7 –

NO LYNCH – 0/7 –

Not Voting:

Cabd, Josh_B

[Kaiveran]

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Shiryu, Town Tracker

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Bicephalous Bob, Mafia Goon

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6:00 PM Chicago Time, November 2nd, 2014

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Flames682 – 0/5 –

Anatole Kuragin – 0/5 –

FuDuzn – 0/5 –

Cabd – 0/5 –

neil1113 – 0/5 –

Not_Mafia – 0/5 –

Josh_B – 0/5 –

Flubbernugget – 0/5 –

NO LYNCH – 0/5 –

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Flames682 – 0/5 –

Anatole Kuragin – 0/5 –

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Not_Mafia – 1/5 –

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Flubbernugget – 0/5 –

NO LYNCH – 0/5 –

Not Voting:

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[LYNCHED @946]

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neil1113 – 0/5 –

Not_Mafia – 1/5 –

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Flubbernugget – 0/5 –

NO LYNCH – 0/5 –

Not Voting:

Honey Bee, Flames682, Flubbernugget

[Kaiveran]

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FuDuzn

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Not_Mafia – 0/4 –

Josh_B – 0/4 –

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Not Voting:

Flames682, Anatole Kuragin, Cabd, neil1113, Not_Mafia, Josh_B, Flubbernugget

[Kaiveran]

So does anyone have anything else to say or are we just speedlynching?

@MOD can we request you take a private poll once night hits for quicker night phase time?

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Google Doc for the game

Mafia Thread
Wolf Thread
Spoilerfree Graveyard
Spoilered Graveyard/Mod Topic


I'd say there are a lot of lessons to be learned for

all

the players of this game in these threads and I'm currently too tired to go into detail about them.

I'd just like to again state my respect for NM, and a

huge

shoutout to

ArcAngel9

for coming to my rescue in a big way.

As this is a trial run of this game setup any balance discussion would be appreciated.

[Kaiveran]

Also sorry for starting out with awesome flavor and then totally abandoning it.

[Kaiveran]

I knew I wouldn't be nightkilled if I didn't cc and I had a feeling the dude being bussed was scum.

Why did you then protect Not_Mafia, then?

[Kaiveran]

some thoughts:

I think DD = jailkeeper, DDD = jk+doc, DDDD = JK+doc+1-shot doc would be more fair since docs are useless without PRs.

[1]

no way a JOAT module is better than an extra member to the team, even if it's a mafia traitor

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there's always going to be kingmaking in multiball, but the scum cops makes it much worse

[3]

roleblocker is fine, though

(1) How so? I do like the idea because it leads to ambiguity around roleblocking rather than being a confirmed scum action, but I'd still like to hear your perspective.

(2) I realized this mid-game and thought about making it add a JOAT

as well as

a traitor. I think that would close the gap nicely.

(3) I can sympathize with this, I tried to make that role a little more difficult for the scum vs. town power roles because they don't know exactly what kind of PR they find, but then when they directly find other scum we get situations like NM vs Fu which encourages bad behavior IMO. Perhaps a straight up Role Cop instead? Would there be a incentive for either of these roles to be rejected in favor of Roleblocker?

[Kaiveran]

I was really ready to push Bob in the thread. I found a place where I felt like don_johnson slipped up by talking about the PT.

Also GG everyone, GG.

This is definitely a setup that I would play again, although it really only takes one or 2 pr claims for the game to be completely open.

Did BeastCharizard roll Town tracker first, or was he randomly assigned a role after he was chosen as a traitor?

Thanks, that really means a lot to me! :3

Oh, and for your question, he was assigned to be the Wolves' Traitor and simply rolled a Tracker module. Traitor-type roles can take town power modules that work against the other team. Dunno if I was clear enough on that, if so I'll make the edits.

[Kaiveran]

so I've been thinking of a new role distribution that might make things more balanced. I'll post it a bit later

[Kaiveran]

This here is the new tentative role distribution.

NUMBERS

1-50 = T
51-70 = C
71-85 = D
86-100 = I

MAFIA

(Tier 1)

Tx7 = Goon + (Godfather/Ninja) + Town 1-Shot Doctor
Tx6 = Goon + (Godfather/Ninja)
Tx5 = Goon + (Godfather/Ninja)

(Tier 2)

Tx4 = 2 Goons + (Roleblocker/Role Cop)
Tx3 = 2 Goons + (Roleblocker/Role Cop)

(Tier 3)

Tx2 = Goon + (Roleblocker/Role Cop) + (Godfather/Ninja)
Tx1 = Goon + (Roleblocker/Role Cop) + (Godfather/Ninja)
Tx0 = Role Cop + Roleblocker + (Godfather/Ninja)

Cx1 = 1-Shot Cop
Cx2 = Cop
Cx3 = Cop, 1-Shot Cop
Cx4 = 2 Cops
Cx5 = 2 Cops, 1-Shot Cop
Cx6 = 3 Cops

Dx1 = Doctor
Dx2 = Jailkeeper
Dx3 = Jailkeeper, Doctor
Dx4 = Jailkeeper, Doctor, 1-Shot Doctor
Dx5 = Jailkeeper, Doctor, Doctor

Ix1 = Tracker
Ix2 = Tracker, 1-Shot Tracker
Ix3 = 2 Trackers
Ix4 = 2 Trackers, 1-Shot Tracker
Ix5 = 3 Trackers, 1-Shot Tracker

WOLVES

(Tier 1)

Tx7 = Goon + (Alpha/Stealth Wolf) + Town 1-Shot Guardian
Tx6 = Goon + (Alpha/Stealth Wolf)
Tx5 = Goon + (Alpha/Stealth Wolf)

(Tier 2)

Tx4 = 2 Goons + (Roleblocker/Role Seer)
Tx3 = 2 Goons + (Roleblocker/Role Seer)

(Tier 3)

Tx2 = Goon + (Roleblocker/Role Seer) + (Godfather/Ninja)
Tx1 = Goon + (Roleblocker/Role Seer) + (Godfather/Ninja)
Tx0 = Role Seer + Roleblocker + (Godfather/Ninja)

Cx1 = 1-Shot Seer
Cx2 = Seer
Cx3 = Seer, 1-Shot Seer
Cx4 = 2 Seers
Cx5 = 2 Seers, 1-Shot Seer
Cx6 = 3 Seers

Dx1 = Guardian
Dx2 = Wizard
Dx3 = Wizard, Guardian
Dx4 = Wizard, Guardian, 1-Shot Guardian
Dx5 = Wizard, 2 Guardians

Ix1 = Stalker
Ix2 = Stalker, 1-Shot Stalker
Ix3 = 2 Stalkers
Ix4 = 2 Stalkers, 1-Shot Stalker
Ix5 = 3 Stalkers, 1-Shot Stalker

INTER-SCUM BALANCE

Tier 1 vs. Tier 2 = Tier 1 team gets a Traitor (Mafia) or Defector (Wolves)
Tier 1 vs. Tier 3 = Tier 1 team gets a Traitor/Defector + JOAT module (Role Cop, Roleblock, Self-Tailor)
Tier 2 vs. Tier 3 = Tier 2 team gets a (Strong Will/2-Shot Self-Tailor) module.


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NEW ADDITIONS:

Jailer-type roles. Jailkeepers block both Mafia and Town actions and save their target from Mafia kills, where Wizards block both Werewolf and Town actions and save their target from Werewolf kills. This can be tweaked; I'm thinking of having them just block all actions and only having their protection factional, but I'd like to hear feedback.

Role Cop instead of Spy/Shaman roles as per Bicephalous Bob's criticisms.

Alpha Wolf is just Master Wolf under the standard MS name.

IMPROVEMENTS:

• Number generator is in line with the rest of the ++ setups and is now easier to remember.
  
• Names are more in line with Mafia Scum standards.
  
• More ambiguity around roleblocking; no longer a confirmed scum action.
  
• Role Cop + the variant of Godfather/Alpha in this game ensures that a scum investigator cannot irrevocably screw over an opposing team.

Thoughts/fixes?

[Kaiveran]

the open setup discussion people are currently discussing my nine-player (and hopefully actually balanced) version of C9++

there we solved it by adding a doctor to one of the weak T rolls without decreasing scum power

if that sounds vague, you should probably just check out the thread

I saw that setup and it looks pretty cool

not sure what that has to do with my issue whatsoever though.

[Kaiveran]

you could add a 1-shot doc to one of the T rolls so the 1-shot doc isn't sure what setup he's in

Ooohhh I see

So maybe add 1-Shot Doc/Guard to least powerful town rolls on each side so that it's never mountainous?

Of course it's then a coin flip between being near-mountainous and having the no-kill brigade, but I feel like in most games that reveal won't come too soon?

The silver lining of that will be, of course, that the scum will also know for sure that JK/Doc aren't safe to claim.

[Kaiveran]

or Wizard/Guard

[Kaiveran]

Post-Halloween bump! Be sure to add your thoughts when your hangover/food coma/insulin shot is done.

[Kaiveran]

Yea. 1130.
If there are multiple letters chosen for town, there should be increasing combo roles.
Stacking the same role on top of the same role is bogus. Especially with the Doc thing.

D= 1/2 doctor
DD= full doctor
DDD= 50/50 full/half with random 1/2 role.

you know, some combination. I'm kind of thinking that Town PR (some town PR's) should have a negative impact on both factions.

The rules already state that players cannot be rolled two copies of the same role, so this isn't a problem.