Open 573: C9++

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oh whoah oh oh
oh whoahhh oh ohhh

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YOU TREMBLED LIKE YOU'D SEEN A GHOST
AND I GAVE IN
I LACK THE THINGS YOU NEED THE MOST, YOU SAID
WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN

VOTE: 50 SHADES OF PURPLE

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That's actually a pretty serious vote.

Yes, please.

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it makes me a little sad that sthar's lurking - it's probably the most paranoid I've been of him ever.

but I don't really like the molliechodra

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wguerts could also be scum

scumreads everywhere! yaaay! paranoia!

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I was kinda expecting my entrance to spark, well, something.

A lot of you are active on-site - mollie, looking at you - so why aren't you posting here?

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why do you keep telling the thread about the differences in opinion between you and Nacho like it's actually relevant or something?

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What have either of you done this entire game which merits anything?

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Why is your push on MTD mid-game so stupidly lethargic and "we believe in this 100%" and then no fucking concerted push?

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I was kinda expecting my entrance to spark, well, something.

A lot of you are active on-site - mollie, looking at you - so why aren't you posting here?

Your entrance wasn't anything interesting.

I agree. At the same time, it's a replacement. There was a stunning lack of shits given at all.

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Unvote

OH MAN I GUESS WE WON'T VOTE MTD BECAUSE HE'S SO FUCKING TOWN
I'M SURE ALL OF THOSE BEAUTIFUL BEAUTIFUL POSTS HE MADE MADE HIM THE TOWNIEST MOTHERFUCKER WHO LIVED EVER AND I'M SURE THAT BULLSHIT PUSH ON ANEN IS ACTUALLY CORRECT AND ABSURDLY BEAUTIFUL

no, you're right, Nacho - you didn't specifically say that. you said this, though.

either I'm heavily misjudging your confidence in weak scumreads or you felt very strongly about MTD.

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so why didn't you immediately revote in #507?

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No-one else doing anything most definitely doesn't excuse you from doing nothing. I don't expect some people to do anything. I do expect you two to.

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so why didn't you immediately revote in #507?

I revoted at the end of my posting spree?

Which was 12 posts later.

I was kinda expecting my entrance to spark, well, something.

A lot of you are active on-site - mollie, looking at you - so why aren't you posting here?

it looks like some1 is needing attention

I am going to now call you blueskyboris in the hopes that he will google search his name and he will show up.

that is all.

Yes, I've had a very troubled childhood and desperately seek/require attention. Back to the game.

I mean yeah, maybe I could have revoted immediately after but I don't know how that would show a different intent.

If you actually believed in the MTD wagon, you'd have revoted?

actually it isn't. I lied.

tso are you for realz reading us as scum yes or no

cos I can't tell.

Not incredibly strongly, but yes.

nacho hush I am trying to determine if tso is srsly trying to figure us out or if he is hopping on the only wagon that has legs cos that make his posts alignment indicative

Your wagon doesn't have legs and I'm not going to be intimidated by being potentially called scum.

No-one else doing anything most definitely doesn't excuse you from doing nothing. I don't expect some people to do anything. I do expect you two to.

We have done things this game. We have been the life blood of this game and there's not really a valid argument that days we haven't.

Like what? Who are your strong townreads? Why?

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I'm not pushing sthar because he's not here. His doing of fuck-all and weird lurking are also noted.

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I'm quite wary of people appeasing me. It's probably my #1 weakness.

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Then again, I don't like people nullreading or scumreading me. If it has a legit reason, I guess.

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what do you mean?

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hey all

I too will read up and get my shit together.

Mod: prod Sthar with a cattle prod. Everyone else too.

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vote him and I bet he will get active.

what I am trying to figure out is why tso is ignoring him and going after us when tso was on a scumteam with star where he pulled this shit before.

it makes me think tso picked up a scum role pm cos no way would he be that dumb to try lynch us on d1.

scum are going to sort us out. no ifs ands what about it. <----- we will get nked early, in 1 of our games scum tried to nk us twice before freaking out and then fakeclaiming a guilty on us. oh hey they were lynched. then we were finally nked.

don't worry about us we will NOT be endgamed can we pretty plz with sugar on top have your help on star now?

ty <3

if you're going to completely misrep Faith Plus One, cool beans, but I'll stop that shit right now.

you got lynched on d5 when me and Sthar had completely turned town on you. It wasn't a TSO-push, it wasn't a Sthar push, it wasn't a TSO-Sthar push - it was pushed by, iirc, people like shos, who was Town.

And it was d5.

That was the most ridiculous equation of games I've seen in a while.

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Like, what did you actually expect? Me to hardpush a case against someone who's lurking? What?

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Catching up later. While I'm away,
@TSO: can you link a game you were replaced in (if there are any), please?

town: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=51535
replaced in, called both scum correctly straight away, was forced to compromise, got nk'd, town listened me on one but there was an inexperienced/VI in LyLo and he threw the game.
town: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=49438
replaced in, didn't call any scum correctly, got in a massive fight with desp, got lynched
scum: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=37476
replaced in, made slot pretty town, got to d3, had planned to bus Nacho but town got there first, won in LyLo
scum: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=29865
replaced in, backed scumpartner mara in a 1v1, mara lost, got lynched, was the de facto lynch d2. worst ever scumgame by a long, long shot. I'm somewhat competent as scum - more so than town, anyway.

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temp vla

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I do not like 5SOP's posting one bit.

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Unvote
Vote: sthar8

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I agree with everything you're saying Aneninen, but sthar is on the record as stating he lurks strategetically as scum and his lack of response many days after I got here suggests he's doing it now.

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I think it's kinda strange that 50SOP's read on me is scum for not pushing sthar despite me being on the record as saying I didn't agree with it and wasn't townreading him - but whatever.

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is it possible to discern?

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sthar might not even flip scum.

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I don't care, Anti. I really don't.

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lol

you're so scum

when have you ever caught me as scum?

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Yeah, I dunno, I have to reread him, was just that from the top of my mind I remembered to think he is town.

Pedit: Like seriously? That post is just

If you want, you can vote me.

I voted Sthar because it was the right thing to do - he is active lurking. I knew I'd take abuse for it and I knew it could potentially cause my own lynch.

I still don't care. Again, I've also got around you as scum in the past.

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no

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Okay, actually, let's do this. I didn't really feel like it but your weird arrogance is annoying.

Why did I do this?

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that's a really shit vote

you're not even confident in your own vote? weak.

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but you should join in in explaining why I'm scum too, by all means. Laud it over me in postgame!

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well, we can start with the fact that you've been calling nachomollie scum all game and now you're moseying over to an sthar vote with them because.......... strategic lurking?

sthar goes on strategic v/la's as scum?

well done anti. you've managed to piece through the logic so clearly laid out and paraphrase it back. therefore, I am scum.

we can also continue with the fact that the 50 shades push was liquid shit to begin with

not really, at all. it's pretty telling when one of their responses to me saying "you're doing nothing" was "neither is anyone else." but I mean, vague accusations ftw! therefore, I am scum.

shit dayum ya got me!

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#1002 doesn't even fucking make sense. I didn't go after sthar immediately; I gave him a chance. He continued lurking - that's scummy as fuck. Therefore, I am scum.

The rest of those posts have 0 relevance to anything. Are you sure you're okay, Anti?

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it shouldn't be this easy for me to dismantle your arguments - come on now.

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I like this guy!

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unvote

would vote 5sop, or policy lynch nero. w/e works.

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vote: nero

it's not really a policy

I just hate his whole charade of asking why he's not a scumread - why the fuck does this matter?

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any half-decent scumplayer can just give a generically sound explanation for it.

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I think it's a really bad method of scumhunting which never works but makes you look good.

I think you also know that.

So why are you doing it?

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it shouldn't be this easy for me to dismantle your arguments - come on now.

I'm not going to sugar coat it: you need an attitude adjustment as much as Anti does. Your catch up is very bare-bones and I don't come away from it knowing much about where you stand this game. In short, it's terrible and not very pro-town. I'm just sorry that someone more articulate than Anti wasn't around to break the news to you.

Let's see if we can't shed any light on the situation, though.

Let's run down the list of questions for you:

1. As Antihero pointed out, why is it that you're scumreading 50 Shades of Purple yet perfectly willing to vote with them?
2. Did you change your read on 50 Shades of Purple?
3. Do you think 50 Shades are bussing?
4. Why do you think 50 Shades is scum? There's a lot of adjectives I could use to describe them and Nacho's case on MTD, but "lethargic" isn't one of them. Anything else?
5. sthar has a past of "lurking strategically" as scum? Where is the substantiation for this claim? Does it apply for this particular situation (i.e. Why is it strategic here)?
6. Do you have any reads outside of 50 Shades, sthar, or wgeurts?
7. Why do you think wgeurts is scum?

That should be enough for now to get you started.

-TTH

okay so you randomly gave me abuse for replacing into my seventh game or so which I'm active in at the moment, thank you TTH! How can I repay you?

1) It's entirely possible they're bussing/the entire game is telling me I'm wrong on my read of them.
2) Somewhat.
3) Probably ...not. It doesn't really feel like a bus. But they weren't wrong about Sthar - he was lurking.
4) I didn't feel they pushed anything relevant here/did anything/read on me is bullshit.
5) No, I made it up on the spot. Ask sthar. I've seen him say it somewhere before. It's strategic so he won't be lynched d1. This is really fucking obvious.
6) Not particularly, no. Nero could be scum. Probably a good lynch anyway.
7) Early-game made me think so.

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okay so you randomly gave me abuse for replacing into my seventh game or so which I'm active in at the moment, thank you TTH! How can I repay you?

lol, who chose to do that?

you? or TTH?

Oh, you're right, I randomly gave myself abuse for replacing into my 7th game or so which I'm active in at the moment, thank you TSO! How can I repay myself?

just go back to pretending you think you caught me

T can you vote massive please? We have an hour left.

unvote
vote: massive

nah, he's just going to force a no-lynch.

then whine when TTH rips him a new asshole for being anti-town.

oh you're right oh wise one
teach me how to play this game and how not to have your sister "rip me an asshole"

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Oh, you're right, I randomly gave myself abuse for replacing into my 7th game or so which I'm active in at the moment, thank you TSO! How can I repay myself?

I'm not saying anything to be mean, TSO. I guess I'm just frustrated that it seems like a majority of people have checked out completely. You look stressed and I'm sorry if I came off as bitchy, but I feel like I'm in over my head (again) and I feel like I have absolutely no information on your slot.

-TTH

it's cool. I'm under stress as well and I'm finding it very hard to even get time for Mafia these days.

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I'm Town, you're probably Town. I like Sthar's catchup on a surface level but I know he knows that buddying me is usually pretty effective.

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that mollienacho thing could be town. it also could be scum.

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Good luck Town, it could be tough but I believe in you.

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Well dead thread was predictable though TSO whining about how much of a shitty player he is gets old.

yes, I was killed n1 and you survived to endgame and you misvoted in LyLo and I didn't. Clearly, I'm the bad player.

Please don't clog this thread up with vitriol.

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wp heartless btw.

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Oh, okay, Heartless won by default. Riiiight.

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lol