Open 580: Tit For Tat - Game Over!

Netherspite · Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:14 am

I'd rather prefer a rolecheck on me (if my lynch won't happen) because I seem to be a way stronger lynchbait.

Netherspite · Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:21 am

I tend to agree on that.
However, once again I'd like to note that no one (may be except Aquanim) should get a free pass after N2.

Netherspite · Tue Dec 23, 2014 7:23 am

In case I'll get lynched I'm really insisting on role checking Bulbazak N2 after the cop will see my flip.

Netherspite · Tue Dec 23, 2014 8:04 pm

I've got a nice idea.

Could everyone who is voting me list their reasons for doing so ?
I think it will be useful after my flip

In case you decide to lurk it out - you'll still have to explain it tomorrow.

Netherspite · Tue Dec 23, 2014 8:41 pm

For the note of those who'll read responses to my #1398:
Reasons for voting Luca were explained in #887.

Netherspite · Tue Dec 23, 2014 8:51 pm

Your words would be sane if I didn't promise an explanation in advance.
But I did and it my vote was exactly reaction test vote. It was obvious for everyone I guess (except you).

You said that you'll be V/LA but this time you said it too yet you're still there answering.
I had an idea and I decided to test it, hoping that you'll still show up at least once during your V/LA period.

Netherspite · Wed Dec 24, 2014 8:04 pm

In post 1409, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 1402, Netherspite wrote:Your words would be sane if I didn't promise an explanation in advance.
But I did and it my vote was exactly reaction test vote. It was obvious for everyone I guess (except you).

You mean that promise that you made when you came under pressure for that exact post, and it was pointed out by TSO that you could be trying to save a scum PR by moving it onto a goon? In fact, looking back, what you promised to explain was why you were so sure Luca would flip scum, not why you were voting him, so your "reaction test" explanation doesn't hold water.

In post 1402, Netherspite wrote:
You said that you'll be V/LA but this time you said it too yet you're still there answering.
I had an idea and I decided to test it, hoping that you'll still show up at least once during your V/LA period.

I hardly ever post on the weekends, which I'm sure you noticed when I was modding. I'm extremely busy on both Saturday and Sunday, and I was afraid I was not going to be back in time, hence why I stated so and consolidated my vote. My V/LA here is similar to the one I took on Thanksgiving, where I'm not sure how much time I'll have, and I'm playing it safe by going V/LA. I'm posting now, because there's nothing going on atm. And your whole "and now you're answering" crap is misleading, since I had just posted my V/LA shortly before answering again, i.e. only minutes had passed, and I was still on the computer.

Do you really think that I'd vote Luca without any reasoning if it wasn't a reaction test?
Did you notice me voting without reasoning previously?
I'm never voting people without reasons, I'm voting only when I'm absolutely sure I want to do it. That's why I'm usually listed almost the whole day in "Not voting" section.

Regarding your V/LA, I'm not judging people by a single game I've seen them in like you do, so I won't make any long-term conclusions based on the game you've been modding.
I usually expect people to have reasonable chance to show up during their V/LA at least once because this is what often happens.

You're so tunneling... I'd like to see your face when you see my flip.

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Why would you vig acryon?

Netherspite · Wed Dec 24, 2014 8:06 pm

P.S. I doubt you'll see me defending my scumpartner in my future scumgames.
This is not how I play as scum.

Netherspite · Wed Dec 24, 2014 8:42 pm

So bad misrepresenting... Do you really need all of this to mislynch a lynchbait?

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So what are you going to do after you see us both flip town?

Netherspite · Wed Dec 24, 2014 8:44 pm

Because I feel so after our latest exchange.

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Do you really expect a reaction test to be so transparent and obvious? Should I have explained what I'm doing before doing it? Do you know what a reaction test is?

Netherspite · Wed Dec 24, 2014 8:48 pm

Trying to accuse someone for wording is a scumtell, you know?
Why do you assume that I meant "being sure he's scum" under "it" and not "the vote" ?

Netherspite · Wed Dec 24, 2014 8:49 pm

Gosh, I even thought it would be too obvious that it was a reaction test because of all this "I'll explain later" and "I'll sheep".
It was so crystally clear, how can you even think it was not a reaction test?...

Netherspite · Thu Dec 25, 2014 12:02 am

Idk, it's either language barrier or I'm explaining it bad.
I've said earlier that I've played mafia IRL and at sc2mafia a lot.
I know what is my scum playstyle and I almost never defend my partners. It's just not my playstyle.
I'm not having fun in obvious moves. You'll way more likely to see me bussing my partners than defending them.
Since I don't have

past

scumgames on this forum, I can only have

future

scumgames here and thus most likely you won't see me defending my scumpartners in my future games here.

Netherspite · Thu Dec 25, 2014 10:33 am

I didn't get it either

Netherspite · Thu Dec 25, 2014 9:17 pm

Well, if you got me wrong I can do nothing about it. After all, hiding my intention at the moment of posting that reaction test was my aim (because otherwise it wouldn't be a reaction test). I thought that I wasn't obscure enough, but it seems that I was.

Anyway, there was no other possible reason to perform this vote switch without any reasoning if it wasn't a reaction test.
If I were scum I wouldn't do it because it's a clear suicide.

By the way, I'm wondering, who of those people "not understanding" that it was a reaction test are really townies who misinterpreting me and who is a scum who is intentionally going for my mislynch.

Netherspite · Thu Dec 25, 2014 10:45 pm

I voted Luca to create some momentum in his wagon to let Bulbazak use the situation and switch back to his "most likely scum". If he would do it I'd decide that he's town who really suspects Luca more. I'd unvote in the same moment he'd vote him.
However, his V/LA didn't let the reaction test to go as I planned (I knew there is a little chance he'll be available to post but I'd like to use even small chance to semi-confirm town).

I did this test because I thought that Bulbazak really didn't want to lynch Luca. I thought he's distancing from his partner and since Pasch is town (I really thought so at this point) he just distanced from his partner and jumped onto real mislynch wagon for D1. This was my opinion and this was what I tried to check.

Netherspite · Thu Dec 25, 2014 10:55 pm

If he really would be a town who suspected Luca more and would not be V/LA, why wouldn't he use the opportunity to lynch someone who he does suspect more ?

Netherspite · Thu Dec 25, 2014 11:06 pm

Well, I didn't consider this.
Anyway, basically my reaction test was to have a small chance to confirm him as town.
I don't see scum motivation behind moving his vote to Luca. So if he would do it I'd consider him semi-confirmed townie for some time.

Netherspite · Fri Dec 26, 2014 8:36 am

I never voted scum PR and thought he's town?

Netherspite · Fri Dec 26, 2014 8:49 am

@Mod

I'm going to be V/LA since 27.12.2014 until 06.01.2015.

Will be visiting my home town for New Year, I'll prolly have access from time to time and will try to post at least once a day, but not sure if I'll be able to.

~Noted and edited into VC above. Thanks.

Netherspite · Fri Dec 26, 2014 12:02 pm

I moved my vote to the one who Bulbazak had case on him.
So it is more about a coincidence he had case on a scum Goon rather than coincidence I moved my vote to him...

Netherspite · Sun Dec 28, 2014 7:43 pm

In post 1485, Aquanim wrote:Well, my proposed plan would be very simple:

lynch Acryon, shoot Nether, jk and rolecop can do whatever they damn well please

It has the advantages that Nether's already claimed so there's no chance of hitting a PR, not directing the JK means that scum (if not JKd themselves) cannot easily avoid shooting the protected person, and having somebody be both JKd and rolecop'd isn't a disaster.

I think this plan can work. My only "last wish" is jking and role checking someone from the following list: TSO, mala, bulba, xayzeck.

Netherspite · Mon Dec 29, 2014 7:27 pm

I tend to agree with aquanim. If you lynch me today then vig acryon tonight. And please do me a favor and jk / role check someone from the list I mentioned above. I still want to win this game. Stop listening to bulba after seeing my flip.
He has no idea about who the real scum is at this point as it seems.

Netherspite · Wed Dec 31, 2014 3:12 am

please re read my latest posts after you'll see my flip.

Netherspite · Wed Dec 31, 2014 3:45 am

happy new year everyone.

btw i still dont get why bulba hates me so much. it felt like something personal.

aquanim, i believe you will win this game for us.

Netherspite · Wed Dec 31, 2014 4:02 am

you can safely assume that i'm town as you'll see my flip soon anyway and discuss your conclusions from this fact.

Netherspite · Fri Jan 02, 2015 7:19 pm

Well it seems that most of my scum reads were wrong in this game. I've at least correctly read TSO until bulba made me disappointed by his tunneling and I stopped fighting.

I'd like to thank BBT for the awesome modding and aquanim & tempest for being the pleasant persons to play with.

And still, bulba, your tunneling is worse than wisdom. That was the most disappointing thing in this game.

Netherspite · Sat Jan 03, 2015 6:29 pm

And this is exactly why I hate meta reads sometimes as I said.