Open 591: C9++, The Lunatic Ayslum (Game Over: Town Win!)
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VOTE: mnemonicdevice because he replaced in a game in my spot.
I've played another C9++ a long time ago when it was still a nightstart. The game itself was so shitty, it became good again. Town won accidentally. It's only 10 short pages so you can read it fast. Please let this game be better.-
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I repeat myself eh :
VOTE: mnemonicdevice because he replaced in a game in my spot.
I've played another C9++ a long time ago when it was still a nightstart. The game itself was so shitty, it became good again. Town won accidentally. It's only 10 short pages so you can read it fast. Please let this game be better.
Also I'm in BEAUTIFUL Europe, land of the only handsome men (like me) on Earth.-
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In post 31, wgeurts wrote:Otolia wrote:Also I'm in BEAUTIFUL Europe, land of the only handsome men (like me) on Earth.
Europe is not a country, nor a land. Unless your german, then it's all part of Germany. I'll stay silent now.
Hey if I wanted the opinion of a weed-smoking bicycle rider, I would have asked you ! Still do you speak Flemish ?-
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In post 49, curiouskarmadog wrote:I just saw midget as town, one shot vig a person who got a guilty on scum....because he wasnt reading the thread.
if all things constant and someone has to die today, it should be him.
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In post 66, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:@DarkLightA : That's a pretty weak vote. He was informed but didn't read his PM that carefully. Nothing to get your panties in a bunch !
Why because that's exactly what I'm doing most of the time ?-
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In post 73, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Do you think he can correctly predict my actions?
So I've said something about me that I've done in the past, and now it has become me saying I can predict your actions.
The world doesn't revolve around you. I know you're British and you tend to think that way but still ... In any case, welcome to the game EuroBro-
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In post 80, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:He was informed but didn't read his PM that carefully.
I tried to put myself in your shoes. But you're right, I thought something and said another.-
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In post 145, DarkLightA wrote:Otolia, why haven't you come up with anything productive so far? You've asked questions and made empty statements.
In post 144, Otolia wrote:(...)one could argue (...) I've got nothing better to do with my vote (...)
Why the distancing from the vote? Do you not stand by your actions?
Voting is the commitment. Besides what do you consider productive ? Do you consider yourself productive ?-
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In post 157, DarkLightA wrote:All I'm saying is that that vote looked like you were setting yourself up extremely well to jump off that vote with no further consequences at a later point. I don't like that.
I consider myself productive.
So I'm setting myself up to do the same thing that you just done and that Collatz is calling you on ? Aren't you a bit hypocritical ? I don't really like how you consider yourself above all reproach especially when you're pulling this kind of shit off. Cognitive dissonance at its best.-
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In post 163, DarkLightA wrote:In post 160, Otolia wrote:In post 157, DarkLightA wrote:All I'm saying is that that vote looked like you were setting yourself up extremely well to jump off that vote with no further consequences at a later point. I don't like that.
I consider myself productive.
So I'm setting myself up to do the same thing that you just done and that Collatz is calling you on ? Aren't you a bit hypocritical ? I don't really like how you consider yourself above all reproach especially when you're pulling this kind of shit off. Cognitive dissonance at its best.
Listen: I'm not calling you out on the voting or on wanting to gather information, that's more than fine, but I'm just questioning the way you're doing it. You're misrepresenting what I'm arguing.
You're deflecting and I don't see the difference between what I've done and what you've done. So in essence, either you needlessly nitpicking to pass as town or you're just pointing fingers at everything that moves in the hope that you can pounce on it.
I haven't played Mafia on MS for a while, I don't remember the last time I played Mafia here but definitely before the Mayan Apocalypse. Maybe War in Heaven III.-
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In post 173, RedCoyote wrote:How odd, haha. I guess it's more a Euro thing.
I do seem to recall you, but I actually don't remember the game we were in. I could probably go find it... I used to be better about remembering everyone, but the years keep adding up!
I was force-replaced out of a game where I insulted you (and Texans in general). So yeah ...-
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@DarkLightA: How you fail to see my PoV is beyond me. We are doing the exact same thing and yet you refuse to budge one inch from your position. I've tried to meet you halfway because I believed that since we were essentially doing the same thing, we must be both town and you unvoted so I just thought we could reach an understanding. But no. By the way, you said "Ask me straight-up what I haven't answered well enough and I'll be happy to share." and I answer "Well that" + a quote of a question, it OBVIOUSLY MEANS THAT IT'S SOMETHING YOU HAVEN'T ANSWERED BUT THEN YOU DID WHILE I WAS WRITING MY POST.
In post 187, Alchemist21 wrote:Otoila are you Townreading or Scumreading DLA right now?
I wish I knew myself. I was townreading him in my last post because I thought that he had the same reasoning but now that he is voting me again, it's like the case of Collatz suddenly makes sense. >< For now, he is back to null read like the rest.
In post 156, curiouskarmadog wrote:OTOLIA, apparently you missed this question (?)
In post 149, curiouskarmadog wrote:In post 144, Otolia wrote:Considering Collatz qualifies as a MS newbie, one could argue that DarkLightA is grasping at anything he can. I've got nothing better to do with my vote so VOTE: DarkLightA
what post do you feel like Dark is "grasping" at straws?
#70 and #108. Especially this quote :
It's like he was waiting for someone to call him on it so he could pounce and start his case.I'm an obvious target because of my vote hopping, and he's taking full advantage of this to make a case against me without questioning whether it's actually a scumtell.
I've done so above.In post 178, Lucky2u wrote:Otolia are you purposefully ignoring this? Answer or my vote won't move on policy.-
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@RC: Some reads/analysis of yourselves are not up to par with the rest.Do you think it's the case ?I agree with your point on Reubus though, which could extend to everyone not voting/being still in RVS as I mentioned in #118 which was 2 days ago.-
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In post 210, RedCoyote wrote:I don't understand your question. My analysis of myself? I am town.
"[...] analysis ofyours[...]" But you could infer that much. You could have shown a little more willingness to understand me there.-
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In post 214, RedCoyote wrote:I'm not trying to be a dick. Even that allegation I don't really understand. I've try to be very forthright about all my opinions, especially when I am town. Could you be more specific? Do you just want me to do a summary for you?
At the moment, I think Marcrell needs a ton more attention paid to him.
As to you and DLA, I don't find your arguments compelling and have a comfortable townread on DLA at the moment.
As to Collatz, I suspect he's town although I disagree with the direction he's going with his reads.
As to ckd and BBT, I liked their contributions so far and am anxious to hear more from them. I'd give ckd a thumbs up for town, BBT is way too early to call.
As to Reubus, I think he's misleading and potentially a good candidate for lynching today.
Not a lot to say about randomidget, mnemonic, Llama and Alchemist. Alchemist, random and mnemonic need to contribute more. Llama just joined us.
I've addressed all of these things in one way or another in my posts, so I dispute the idea that some of my analysis is not "up to par with the rest". What specifically am I glossing over?
You aren't glossing over anything in particular. What I meant precisely is : when you answer things in such a format (list of quote), not everything you say has the same value nor the same reach. I can't say I like the format you use since there isn't a lot of formatting and it's hard to read the intent of your post. It's more a question of playstyle than content though.-
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Spoiler: On randommidget and reactions
Spoiler: On everyone's town read
Spoiler: Collatz's inactivity
I can't find the right word unfortunately. RC's post was mish-mash of various quotes without organization. Some are good and bring things to town others less so. I find it hard to read. Thus the question. Probably not my best question ever ^^ I canIn post 265, Alchemist21 wrote:This post I don't understand. What do you mean "not everything has the same value or the same reach?"
In post 272, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:The Otolia wagon was Mnem, Lucky, Darklight, Random and myself. I'm going to assume that the null/scum read is me. I'm very interested to see why you're scum-reading me.
Mnemonic was still in RVS.
PS : I haven't paid enough attention to Reubus, I have some comments on him and its reaction which should arrive tomorrow.-
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In post 308, Collatz wrote:I don't like how RM has been sheep voting and using other peoples reasons as an excuse to vote without using his own reasoning. I'm still really busy but I'll try to post more later.
Here, let me give you an incentive to post more.
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In post 309, Otolia wrote:In post 308, Collatz wrote:I don't like how RM has been sheep voting and using other peoples reasons as an excuse to vote without using his own reasoning. I'm still really busy but I'll try to post more later.
Here, let me give you an incentive to post more.
VOTE: Collatz
In post 310, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Yeah, not a fan of Collatz play right now either.
In post 314, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:309 - Really Otolia, this is the best you can do with your vote? This is barely a level above RVS voting.
That's the 2nd time in a few days where you cannot keep an opinion for more than a few hours. What's up with that BBT ? I probably won't let my vote stay on Collatz though. I've read Llama's case on RM but I've yet to examine RS closely. Until I have done so, my vote may as well be a reminder to Collatz that he commited to post more.-
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In post 319, LlamaFluff wrote:Yes. Its to the point where I have used it enough and its known enough that I would have to bring it up even as scum.
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Spoiler: Randommight
VOTE: Randommidget
Now what I don't understand is why he keeps playing the same kind of risky voting with easy wagon while he maintains an absurd attitude towards his possible motivation as scum.
I'm also getting increasingly suspicious of BBT's play. It seems I'm not the only one seeing him flipping around, yet I'm apparently misrepresenting him for something that he undeniably did. And then there is the vote to spite me when I was honestly answering that I didn't see the point in answering his questions in the following post :
In post 317, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Is there a problem?
I agree with the sentiment that Collatz recent play has somewhat declined. Is it deserving of a vote? No. Is he the scummiest person in this game? Not by a long shot.
Like I said, you misinterpreted my post the first time around (with relation to Random). Continue to try and misrep me and you'll earn yourself some rope.
Conclusion : I'm also ready to drive a train on BBT as he is my second scum-read right now.
Randommidget and BlueBloodedToffee are scum-read.
Llamafluff and Alchemist are strong town read.
DLA is probably town, just like RedCoyote - whom I wished he were here.
Reubus Swagrid is null though I like #274 a lot for his questioning on people's motivation.
The rest is not significant enough which tells me there is some scum lying amongst them.
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In post 342, Collatz wrote:I don't like this. Not because you are voting for me but because of your reason. You voted for me because I've not been able to contribute much (A 3 week deadline was changed to a 3 day deadine) yet players such as MD have contribtued much less than me and you haven't voted for them. This isn't the only time you have posted about my inactivity. After my first prod dodge you talked about my inactivity yet you had also prod dodged. Kinda hypocritical don't you think? Also, why would you vote for me because of contribution when there are much more viable suspects who are actually suspicious?
If you ACTUALLY read the game, you would know that I've already pointed fingers towards the others. In this post, you try to deflect my point - which I'm not the only one to make BTW - unto others who are equally guilty. Believe me, you're like them. EXACTLY LIKE THEM. So stop whining, shape up and stop mistaking warnings for an attack.-
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@BBT: Can you get your chronology right ?! There was NO QUESTIONS THAT NEED ANSWERING. Besides you voted for me directly after I denied you. And now I can't say you're scum. So in your vision of Mafia, if scum attacks first, a townie must sit on its ass and wait patiently to be lynched to be cleared ? Well, not in mine. So you'll excuse me for getting all OMGUS on your ass but you quite deserve it.
I'm suspicious that you agree with others then retract yourself afterwards - and that no amount of denial from your part will change that. I'm suspicious that you said you voted for my wagon because it was bigger to then avoid tackling RM's case seriously. I'm suspicious that you keep saying small words here and there (even on your strongest read if I'm not mistaken) and I'm starting to see that as attempts to derail a possible wagon on RM whom you have defended numerous times (please don't force me to quote you on that). In fact all your interactions with randommidget are getting my scumdar all tingly. And you possibly see my lynch as a strong contender as opposed to RM - maybe due to you buddying DLA like a love-deprived puppy.
There you go. Now why am I scummy exactly ? If it's just because I didn't answer you and now I did here is my next answer :-
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In post 357, curiouskarmadog wrote:Otolia, is BBT scum?
If Randomidget is/flips scum, then very likely.
In a vacuum without RM acting scummy as well and him defending him (or whatever he wants to call his relationship with RM so that I'm not accused once again of "misrepresenting him" as I'm getting tired of that) ? Perhaps not as much. His links to RM are scummy, to me as well. His relationship with DLA less so and I don't understand what he sees in his interaction with you. Still I would take him to the gallows at this point of the game.-
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In post 363, curiouskarmadog wrote:In post 359, Otolia wrote:In post 357, curiouskarmadog wrote:Otolia, is BBT scum?
If Randomidget is/flips scum, then very likely.
In a vacuum without RM acting scummy as well and him defending him (or whatever he wants to call his relationship with RM so that I'm not accused once again of "misrepresenting him" as I'm getting tired of that) ? Perhaps not as much. His links to RM are scummy, to me as well. His relationship with DLA less so and I don't understand what he sees in his interaction with you. Still I would take him to the gallows at this point of the game.
I started the day with a vote on RM.
I am saying right now, i am against the RM wagon.
am i scummy too (if RM flips scum)?
do you think in the face of a mounting RM wagon, BBTscum would defend RMscum so openly?
more likely than not, BBT is scum(mier) if RM flips town and you are scum(mier) if RM flips scum.
Both this post and the precedent are hard to follow. In the last one, you are saying I'm not scum but then talk about Reubus. I'm not following you, sorry.
Regarding this post : Yes, I think a scum would try hard to defend its partner, especially if they are PR. It's just worth it. D1 is very swingy. A good defense can prevent a lynch long enough for the game to draw. And he isn't commiting very strongly yet but appears to prepare a space where he could potentially do more (yes I'm extrapolating here)
Besides being against a lynch isn't the same as defending the accusee. Your point mainly lies on the fact that RM doesn't actually read games and that you would rather lynch scum than policy lynch - you are actually detached from his play here. BBT considers him scum but prefers to lynch someone more scum. I don't see the same motivation here.-
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Spoiler: Response to BBT
I'm sorry CKD, but I don't find the link you mention. I've tried to look rapidly through your ISO and didn't find it. I don't think you're lying, though that could be a great gambit as scum. I just can't find it. Nonetheless meta is iffy at best. I could totally envision using his notoriously bad rep to divert a train D1 or at least stall for time.
Spoiler: Mnemonic last post
God, that was a shitty post. The game started more than a week ago and you've only realized that you need to get out of RVS ?-
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In post 386, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:OK, let's take this a step at a time.
In post 385, Otolia wrote:
So you deny saying DLA was your strongest town-read, and you're right he was (may still is) your 2nd strongest.
Show me where I denied I was town-reading DLA.
In post 355, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:That link is for DLA...who is not my strongest scum-read and never has been. Though it does disprove your theory that I'm buddying him, so, there's that.
You didn't deny you were town-reading DLA. You said he isn't your strongest. Which is true because he was your 2nd strongest. You're fucking nitpicking like a madman. Why can't you admit you are wrong. I just proved it right fucking there.-
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In post 392, Randomnamechange wrote:Collatz continues to OMGUS me. My votes is staying.
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dayvig: CKD
What ?! The vig-kill are night based in C9++. What the fuck do you think you're doing ?-
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Yeah sure, I mean it's not like you're at your first contradiction
In post 404, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Otolia is also probably town.
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Do you remember when you whined like a little kid about me answering for you in the very early game ? Here is a trip down memory lane if you don't :
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So here we are with someone who was under scrutiny for being a huge liability who suddenly finds that the appropriate response to demands he start playing decently is to say a huge fuck-you to everyone andjokedayvig. So you would say he isn't concerned about being lynche, right ? So why in his next post does does he write this :
In post 410, Randomnamechange wrote:Alchemist - I think he is probably town. Don't really know why.
BBT -the fact that he is more concerned with stopping a mislynch than finding one makes me think town.
DLA - whilst his early play felt good, some of his play has felt odd recently. I'm starting to lean null-scum. More on this coming.
Otolia - entire play feels off. I just think that this could be a clash of play styles, but I don't see town motivation in his posting
CKD - I don't see scum being this much of a dickhead. VI.
Sorry, I have to go, will finish this later.
Note that he never finished his list ... Described himself as the potential mislynch and appears to be thankful to BBT for taking his sides. The gap between an act that can only be described as stupid (the dayvig attempt) and the calculated attempt to buddy BBT cannot be the result of a town-aligned player.
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In post 504, Collatz wrote:
This here is pretty a pretty weak reason to change a vote, especially considering how much he believes I am scum.In post 502, Randomnamechange wrote:You might be right ehoever daid collatz wasnt scummy. I just remembered that he reminds me of kelbris who ends up in similar situations.
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VOTE: otolia
You're not in my top 2 (Randommidget & BBT). When I voted you in D1 shortly before I did a re-read as an incentive to keep your promises to town. Considering there isn't a lot of people who can say that this game, it shouldn't worry you that much.So why do you feel like I'm persecuting you ?
In post 501, Randomnamechange wrote:You might be right ehoever daid collatz wasnt scummy. I just remembered that he reminds me of kelbris who ends up in similar situations.
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Any reasoning behind your vote or did you just realize that because everyone is listing me as scum, I would potentially be an easy for a lowlife like you ?
- I'm waiting on a post from Marcrell, as he should be back by now.
- MD vs. BBT - Any engagement from any party or are you just entering a verbal joust for our amusement ?
- Lucky2U. You are confTown. Is that too much to asked that you participate more ? Your opinion holds that much more value but you look like you were expecting to die in N1 and thus gave up on the game.
- We are in a weird vote crossfire. I'm very unconformable with that.
- BBT, why did you start posting like RedCoyote ? I prefered when you were obnoxious and couldn't keep your words. At least that was easy to spot.
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In post 507, Collatz wrote:In post 505, Otolia wrote:In post 504, Collatz wrote:
This here is pretty a pretty weak reason to change a vote, especially considering how much he believes I am scum.In post 502, Randomnamechange wrote:You might be right ehoever daid collatz wasnt scummy. I just remembered that he reminds me of kelbris who ends up in similar situations.
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VOTE: otolia
You're not in my top 2 (Randommidget & BBT). When I voted you in D1 shortly before I did a re-read as an incentive to keep your promises to town. Considering there isn't a lot of people who can say that this game, it shouldn't worry you that much.So why do you feel like I'm persecuting you ?
I haven't said anything about you persecuting me so I'm lost here. The only way this makes sense to me is if this isn't aimed at me and you accidently quoted me.
I don't believe you're scum. So there is no : "especially considering how much he believes I am scum". Unless I'm misunderstanding things.
In post 506, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Tell me why you're scum-reading me Otolia.
You're contradicting yourself all the time and acts as if you don't. I would expect more much self-consciousness from a town player.-
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In post 509, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Oh.
People usually consider self-awareness a scum-tell.
Is that it? Are you saying town don't contradict themselves? (Hint; I haven't contradicted myself)
Town don't try to act as if nothing ever happened just like you're doing right now.-
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I'm sorry wgeurts but you're wrong. My last post before #545 above was #513 on 07 Apr 2015, 20:28. It would have been 48h at 20:28 today. I don't mind getting prodded, as I haven't been the most active here but apparently we are not the only insane people in here Also there is only one vote on Collatz.
@RC : You've been on marcrell this whole game (more or less) and complains that he hasn't been very active. Why didn't you change target ? Your points are well made but given that you're unlikely to forget it, why not see the other cases ? Like BBT vs. MD ?
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In post 549, DarkLightA wrote:This post by Otolia is mindblowing:
Spoiler: Otolia
Otolia appears to be responding to the same post twice in two separate quotes(?) and also calls RandomMidget a "lowlife". Ad hominems don't help a case.
In post 505, Otolia wrote:BBT, why did you start posting like RedCoyote ? I prefered when you were obnoxious and couldn't keep your words. At least that was easy to spot.
This is also strange. To my eyes it seems like Otolia is saying (if indirectly) that BBT's playstyle change makes him look less scummy, and labeling that as a negative thing. Has Otolia decided that BBT is scum regardless of future posts?
I'm gonna park my vote here for the time being as no one seems particularly keen on Alchemist yet.
VOTE: Otolia
Woah. I didn't thought you could be this nonsensical DLA. O.O
In your first post, I'm addressing 2 different persons and thus I quote 2 different part of the discussion. Oh and lowlife == scum. There was a misunderstanding that we cleared in #512. So your argument kinda falls flat there.
As for the second part, I already consider BBT scummy. I've posted why numerous times (hint: he contradicts himself all the time) but nobody seems interested in seeing him as anything but town. And yes when a change of playstyle of someone I consider scum makes him look less scummy to everyone else, then it's a bad thing obviously.
Is that all you can do DLA ? Because that's a very poor post you made. Seems like you're still riding your town-cred from D1. Where is the aggressiveness you displayed when you attacked me on D1 ? It seems to me it was all for show.
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Your points were so bad it warranted a change of vote. You were AGAIN trying so hard to find things to say. Just like you did against Collatz at the beginning of the game. But what's even more interesting is how you changed your attitude. By your own words, I'm consistent with myself. You aren't. That's a big issue.-
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Short post before I get back to work : I criticize your change of playstyle not reads, DLA. Your attack on me was weak and not at all what I would have expected given your D1 play. I also feel like you are riding your town-cred from D1 which is unwarranted in my opinion. I'll cover the rest of the discussion later.-
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In post 564, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:What are you waiting for from Marcrell?
Do you have an opinion on MD vs BBT instead of making a filler comment?
Who is in a weird vote crossfire?
How am I posting like RC?
1. Replacement would be great but realistically, some answers is the best we're going to get.
2. MD is non-commital and his focus on you was weak but at the same time, you, a strong scum-read of mine is taunting him. That's was free and without consequences ... until you voted him.
3. Alchemist, Collatz, CKD in #543
4. The post listing you are doing more and more.
In post 581, DarkLightA wrote:In post 562, Otolia wrote:But what's even more interesting is how you changed your attitude.
What exactly do you mean by "your attitude" in this post?
Being a town leader in D1 (vote on Collatz, on me etc) to being more passive. What has changed ?
In post 583, Alchemist21 wrote:Otoila, I need you to show me what you're seeing differently in BBT's play, and I mean SHOW not TELL because I haven't noticed a change and if you can't show me why you think that I'll assume you're talking out of your ass.
Alright, =23899&user_select[]=0&user_select[]=0&user_sort=Go]here is BBT's ISO. Now I admit, he did post RC's style in 314 but I had the impression he did it more often in D2. I was somewhat right up to friday when my point became outright stupid and wrong.
In post 598, Alchemist21 wrote:Do you think that all Town players will maintain the same playstyle on D2? Personally I think a lot of people change to some extent going into D2 because they've had time to read back and reflect in the game.
If yes, then do you think DLA and BBT are conciously or subconsciously changing their playstyle?
Playstyle is mostly irrelevant. One can adopt a new one. What matters is motivation. I see scum motivation in DLA being a driving force D1 and taking a step back in D2 (though that's attitude) and I have already said I find the listings of comment hard to read - thus could be used as scum.
That should cover all questions I have been asked. I still look like a fool though but for some reason my wagon vanished ? I'm very puzzled as to what happened. Also Randommidget is still voting me. I can understand DLA's vote from a town PoV but I cannot fathom RM's. I'm still deciding on RM vs. Marcrell since I've been told I have to do that. Probably marcrell. I'll have that today.
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I'm perfectly OK with going into the night with marcrell dead. It's not like his play mattered anyway. If the situation doesn't change, I'll hammer at midnight CEST. I don't like asking for claim in semi-open unless a fullclaim is coming as it's completely pointless so I won't bother with that. But I'm letting people with more towncred than me decided if they want one - now is your time.-
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In post 688, DarkLightA wrote:What makes you think a claim is pointless? What do you define as a fullclaim vs a claim? What if, say, Marcrell is a cop and can provide investigative results? What's "completely pointless" about that?
I thought he was scum ? But no matter, you're the scum here. That above is the proof.-
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In post 702, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:In post 698, Otolia wrote:
I thought he was scum ? But no matter, you're the scum here. That above is the proof.
Can you explain how the post you quoted points to DLA being scum?
It doesn't matter what marcrell claims.
Let's postulate that he is indeed a town PR. There are 2 roles that are relevant : JK and Cop. Thing is JK is not indicative of alignment, nor is Cop since there may be a Godfather.
Other possibility, he is scum. He claims a PR, we have no way to confirm his claim without a complete fullclaim from everybody.
Since the principal proponent of such a reveal is dead (OH THAT'S CONVENIENT) there is little we can do. Are we going to take what he says at face value despite the fact that we KNOW for sure, it's not going to be useful to town ? Look how convenient it is for DLA to stall if he is scum with marcrell. He votes him so he cannot be accused of being fishy, but still tries to peg me as scum. Saving his buddy much ? Also the mention of cop screams scum-buddy coaching his buddy to a fake-claim. There is no reason to wait for a claim in the present conditions. Doing so only makes the game much harder for town by introducing potential WIFOMs.