Open 598: GAME OVER

[lane0168]

VOTE: persivul

[lane0168]

Wait no. pushing do hard for a lynch this early us scummy as hell. I'd the first day. How are you so sure of persivul, green?

VOTE: green canyons

[lane0168]

Wait no. Someone's way too eager to hop on the easy target

VOTE: you got schooled

[lane0168]

Wait no. ITs so clear now. Afraid to vote their partner?

VOTE: newbie

This is the lynch today, persivul tomorrow

[lane0168]

Wait no. Ugh. This is hard. Too many lurkers in this game.

[lane0168]

Just to be clear we should be wagoning Persivul right now.

Tried too hard to make his RVS vote seem natural.

Mmhmm. Says the scum pushing the easy target

[lane0168]

Let me claim before you lynch me.

@green canyons, who are you quoting? you look like a forced attempt at scum hunting and not actually scum hunting.

VOTE: green canyons

[lane0168]

1)no
2)wow
3)wow. Yes please, can I please be framed now?

[lane0168]

Solid ika wagon I think.
VOTE: you got schooled

[lane0168]

The "three votes in rapid succession" entrance reads like a forced attempt to not look rigid and scummy, but fluid and townie.

@Green canyons
crayons? I don't know what that means...

This quote. With the quotation marks

[lane0168]

Damn lurkers

VOTE: sthar8

Hey green funyuns, who were you quoting?!?

Hahaha hahaha! Lol I don't know why but I've got tears in my eyes from laughing at this.

IT'S CRAYONS JACKASS! Lol he's gonna flip

[lane0168]

Sorry green crayons I was just messing with you. I'm done now

[lane0168]

I find green funyuns acceptable, and will respond accordingly.

But you didn't

[lane0168]

Ok. Well so we're clear. I don't think you're scummy. I just wanted to say canyons again

P-edit: lol no shit newbie

[lane0168]

No? I didn't say that. Are you bussing me?

[lane0168]

Did lane just out the scum team? Lane, what's going with you in 34/44?

has anyone ever tried this? I've always wanted to do something so stupid it couldn't possibly be true lol. But I'm too scared to.

what do you mean what's going on with me? I was voting gc simply to call him canyons again. Just being stupid.

And I think the ika wagon is solid. I am allowed to have more than 1 scum suspect without being sure they are partners.

Surely not all of your suspects have to be partners right newbie?

[lane0168]

Nothing from ikea is ever solid, and the instructions suck

Lol gon be a fun game

[lane0168]

Then how is ika's wagon solid to you if you think there's scum on it?

Wait wait wait. So I must be 100% confident in my reads? What does it mean to you if I think that ika could be scum, and you got scolded could be scum, but I don't necessarily think they're partners? Is that scummy to have multiple reads? What does this information mean to you?

[lane0168]

*you got schooled

[lane0168]

Oh and BTW I didn't like ika's indifference with the yawn comment. Also I didn't like YGS comment about if you think I'm scum then you should vote me.

You all should know I'm terrible at this game. Generally whoever I'm reading. Look elsewhere

P-edit: because you can only have one vote! Multiple reads means more than one person. Considering I only have one vote I can only put it on one person. And because I put it on YGS, by reasonable assumption, that means I can't put it on ika, unless of course I took it off ygs, which I don't want to do right now.

Wtf?

[lane0168]

@ygs, what the heck does your answer to your second question even mean?

[lane0168]

I mean ika's second question

[lane0168]

What are you asking me? You asked why I didn't put my vote on ika. I told you because I only have one vote. What don't you get about this whole 1 vote concept?! your confusion is confusing the hell out of me

[lane0168]

Sthar8. Comes in. Doesn't say shit. Votes Obvi wagon. Noted

[lane0168]

Umm, because I vote for my biggest scum read. Not the biggest easiest wagon like you seem to love to do. You're being damn opportunistic. Loving my vote on you. If we start a wagon in YGS hell be lost and wont know what to do. Can't self vote. No wagon to sheep. He'll break

[lane0168]

YGS, I hadn't even said I was scum reading ika, I was scum reading you hence the vote. I simply state ika as a solid wagon. And voted my biggest scum read. It really shouldn't be this difficult to understand

[lane0168]

p-edit:

@YGS:

you can answer this too.

Lane, if you thought both us and ika were scum, why would you not vote for the bigger wagon?

Why compliment wagon on player you're scum reading and then vote elsewhere?

It makes no sense.

Lane was scum reading both slots, that's a little stronger than the 'suspicion' you're trying to imply.

Umm no. It was nothing stonger than a suspicion On ika. Thanks though

[lane0168]

I'm basically wondering why he didn't want to add on to the wagon of someone he thinks is scum (which was the lead wagon). There are reasons why a townie wouldn't: either they think the wagon is bad or they want to be cautious about a quick lynch. But he specifically stated that he thinks the ika wagon is solid and didn't mention anything about not wanting a quick lynch. He didn't even try to stall it.

It looks like scum knowing what ika will flip. If ika flips town, then lane can get town cred by not being on the lynch. If ika flips scum, then he can try and get town cred by saying he acknowledged that the lynch was solid.

You know what it looks like to me? Someone voting their strongest scum read

[lane0168]

Hey newb, you jumped off the leading wagon onto me. Why would you do that?

[lane0168]

You look like scum knowing what ika will flip. If ika flips scum, you can be like oh yeah, that's why I started the wagon. If ika flips town you can be like oh yeah, that's why I got off the wagon

Your logic is flawless, considering I can say the exact same shit and it's just as true in reverse

[lane0168]

^^^@newbie

[lane0168]

Hahaha! Yes! Someone throws in some logic and they're all of a sudden my scum buddy!

And I couldn't possibly have voted ygs cause he my biggest scum read and not voted ika because I'm not convinced of scum.

I'll be glad to hammer ika if they don't get better. Oh wait. But since I'm scum I'll just be bussing my partner. But if indeed ika is town, I'm just an opportunistic scum.

Look at the facts you daft mofugears. I voted ygs for biggest scum read. That is what I did. I didn't not do anything for any other reason. I did that for a reason. I didn't not do anything for any particular reason. I VOTED YGS FOR A REASON! I DIDN'T NOT DO ANYTHING FOR ANY REASONS WHATSOEVER. I PURPOSELY VOTED YGS. I DIDN'T PURPOSELY NOT VOTE IKA.

Jesus

[lane0168]

Newbie is scum, but got off scum partners ika wagon to avoid lynching a partner but putting it out there that they once supported it

[lane0168]

What do you mean?

[lane0168]

Read this slowly. I have 1 vote that I can put on 1 person. I voted for my biggest scum read. End of story

[lane0168]

Obvious you had a scum read on them and voted? You said you like wagons and voted. why wouldn't you wagon ika if you are scum?

Your comment struck me as shady. More than ikas. I voted you.

[lane0168]

Wagons are good for the game and are in no way scummy.

Wagons are wagons and can't be scummy. The people on them can be. And I think wagon going is scummy

[lane0168]

*wagon hopping

[lane0168]

Obvious you had a scum read on them and voted? You said you like wagons and voted. why wouldn't you wagon ika if you are scum?

Your comment struck me as shady. More than ikas. I voted you.

Are you assuming we're bussing? Also, wagons are not just a scum-tool, seriously.

What?! fucks sake. I've already been over this with newbie. You were there. I didn't say you were for sure partners with ika! seriously! what the Fuck! I can have 2 scum reads without assuming they are partners.

[lane0168]

It's not forceful. There's a reason I kept asking him about his vote on YGS. I thought he may not want to throw on another vote before a vote count because there's no other reason I could see him not voting for the leading wagon that he sees as scum.

I gave you my reason. remember? I said it several times. Your reasons for not voting someone are cool. That's all good. There is no reason I didn't vote ika besides the fact I HAVE 1 FUCKING VOTE AND USED IT TO VOTE MY TOP READ.

I'm not going over this again. I'm done talking to newbie too

[lane0168]

sorry if I offend anyone and I'm happy to be playing with each and every one of you Beautiful people

[lane0168]

So how does this hydra thing work? You both login to the same thing but you have means to communicate before you post? But we don't know who's posting what?

[lane0168]

Hahaha ahh shit, I gotta stop scum reading bella

[lane0168]

I don't care if you sign or not. I worry about it

[lane0168]

Ok I'm done not talking to newbie

[lane0168]

don't worry about it I meant

[lane0168]

Lane is probtown

Another solid post. Your mouth says one thing. Your vote is saying another. Sthar8 jumps straight onto my wagon without saying anything, then says I'm probtown after a couple other people say I could be town. But doesn't do anything with the vote?

Does anyone know this person?
VOTE: sthar8

[lane0168]

Ok. So don't copy it

[lane0168]

His vote wasnt rvs

[lane0168]

He followed people on it, and is hopping off just as quick

[lane0168]

Riiighgghhhhttttt..... well that was dumb of you too and you deserve to deal with bullshit if you're gonna be that lazy

[lane0168]

So you have no opinion on sthar8 then. rigger

[lane0168]

But fuck talk about pulling teeth.

[lane0168]

No that was for bb. But your answer is noted. Maybe my vote is beady left on ygs

[lane0168]

You're focusing on the vote too much and not the big picture. I thought him jumping my wagon cause it was extremely easy was sketchy. I noted that. And I think him jumping off when people start bentonite me and town in the same sentence is sketchy. He's just following the crowd. Oooh that looks shiny let's go there. The vote is the least of my concerns

[lane0168]

You're focusing on the vote too much and not the big picture. I thought him jumping my wagon cause it was extremely easy was sketchy. I noted that. And I think him jumping off when people start bentonite me and town in the same sentence is sketchy. He's just following the crowd. Oooh that looks shiny let's go there. The vote is the least of my concerns

[lane0168]

Either way. It wasn't an rvs vote, and he didn't forget who he voted 2 hours after he Voted. That's ridiculous

[lane0168]

Like I said. Does anyone know anything about him?

[lane0168]

Well that was super aggresive

[lane0168]

And as I've stated, your vote is an after thought

[lane0168]

<<< my avatar

[lane0168]

Whats pita mobile?

[lane0168]

Whats pita mobile?

Pain in the ass. Got it.

[lane0168]

No my vote in gc was not serious in the slightest. As I was trying to do with newbie, I was making a point that you can say the same shit back to someone using their same logic and it's just as true. In that case, not true

[lane0168]

Because you were my biggest scum read. Are you seriously fucking asking me that again? I've answered that no less than 586 times now I think

[lane0168]

What difference does it make? It wasn't sErious. Why are you asking me the same shit I've already answered anyways?!

[lane0168]

The vote was the say canyons again cause he seemed upset by it. The reasoning was mimicking him. Sufficient?

[lane0168]

Oh yeah, probably didn't people, asking me the same questions. Either way please make sure they haven't beeN addressed before along new questions. I'm getting sick of answering why I voted you

[lane0168]

*different

[lane0168]

Also @sthar8. I'm mobile. both my laptops are broken. Just played a whole game mobile, granted it was 2 days. Either way, it's not that tough to tag mobile. or read. Or give reads. And don't call me a dipshit cause you can't find the [, ], and / button on your phone. And haven't contributed dick. That doesn't make me the dipshit

[lane0168]

92 - Quick note on the attempt at game breaking; can we not do that?

Thanks.

Agreed. If that's happening let me know and I'll think about replacing out

[lane0168]

Persivul wasn't really wagon hopping as opposed to throwing around votes all willy nilly like, he kinda hoped on ika, then voted first for sthar8. Then voted you but that was first or second?

So I don't think that's really all that related. However, he's nowhere near my town list after a quick ISO since you posed the question.

@persivul. How does it seem like a good idea to you if you don't even know what it is?

Anyways I don't like game breaking cause it defeats the purpose of the game for me.

[lane0168]

Lol depends on who's talking. I seem to have an issue with reading one of them scum, but I know bbt loves his wagons from our last game. At this point im indifferent I guess. not going to label them one way or another.

[lane0168]

whats not to like about persivul? so far i have seen transparency form him

Not sure if serious

[lane0168]

I don't think I can clarify that for you ygs. For whatever reason yours stood out to me more

[lane0168]

Lol funny cause I'd rather talk to bbt haha

[lane0168]

VOTE: Persivul

Calls for a wagon come later

I'm much more interested in wagons, so

VOTE: ika

But,
1) Not scum!
2) Because my partner is better at attracting the town-fairies than me
3)Someone without a gun? Right now, probably lane, but it's a bit early to tell.

You?

Ooo pretty wagon

Newbie is making a lot of sense right now.

VOTE: Lane

Ooo prettier wagon!

I don't know where you're going with this?

[lane0168]

Your last vote was your first original since your rvs vote. It had a scum being opportunistic feel. I guess I don't understand where were headed here

[lane0168]

92 - Quick note on the attempt at game breaking; can we not do that?

Thanks.

Game breaking is finding a method in which to break the game; i.e we don't actually have to scum hunt/play mafia (which funnily enough is why I join games) because there is an optimal way of playing that ends the game without actually doing anything.

This is anti-town posting: finding an optimal town strategy for night actions is not "breaking" the game. Particularly when there are potential issues with the optimal strategy that both BB and ika have pointed out.

This is also pro-scum posting: pushing against a strategy that optimizes a town's night action on the basis that it's somehow antithetical to the "core" of what mafia is. By this logic, town shouldn't use PRs because with PRs town "don't actually have to scum hunt/play mafia"



Vote stays.

Busy busy at work so only skimming, but this caught my attention and required a shout out.

I feel the same. if ygs flips scum. You better lynch me next

[lane0168]

No my response is "that is literally exactly the same but one is scum and the other is not"

And it's not to everything. It's to shitty reasoning

[lane0168]

As I said, I can't explain it to you. For whatever reason yours seemed scummier. I've been off that for awhile now.

@gc, see? Other people call out crap arguments when they can be applied the exact same elsewhere. I guess it's just how one views what's going on at the time

[lane0168]

I am really busy for 3 days but it shouldnt be a problem. will read up really soon (and i will have limitless free time !)

This is scum?

If you replace "really" with "scum". It becomes more obvious

[lane0168]

268

That's the most substantive observation to date.

VOTE: BBmolla

Wtf? This makes my head hurt. What's with the vote?

[lane0168]

scum reside in ZZZX/TGS/Newbie

thats where i stand right now

You're not really standing anywhere. More like hovering around in nowhere land especially if you're not scum reading someone who you think could be scum.

Talk is cheap, that's why there's no limit on posting.

Votes are valuable, that's why you only get one. If you're standing anywhere, I feel it should be where your vote is. Unless you don't have a vote, then you don't have a stance

@persivul, I think bBBM suggested no lynch to avoid a night 1 loss in the case that we mislynch and both of the targeted are scum

[lane0168]

Talk is cheap, that's why there's no limit on posting.

but spam posting is apathising and anti-town?

WHat? What's apathising? And I didn't say spam posting or apathising is anti town... I said talk is cheap. Cheaper still without a vote

[lane0168]

Ok... so what are you saying about my post count. You act like I brought up post count. I have no idea what you're getting at

[lane0168]

And I'm sorry if I'm sPam posting but I'm also not. I need to respond to things as they come up. I only have a phone and reading back, catching up, and quoting stuff is a bitch

[lane0168]

also, i have a "fuck this" townread on lane and am now not reading his posts any more

Lol understandable.

[lane0168]

Definitely dont like a newbie lynch. I still think sthar8 would be an ok lynch. Not convinced ika should be near town reads. Persivul would be an ok lynch with me. I'm good at conforming to lynch scum and I like the point about newbie.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: gc

[lane0168]

actually I don't like that. I'll show him respect and actually reread him before I do that

UNVOTE:

[lane0168]

Cool. I reread persivul. Like that lynch much more than gc or newbie

VOTE: persivul

[lane0168]

Especially after gc's last pOst. I think he paints a solid picture.

[lane0168]

early predictions here, I'll go with ika, persivul scum team. But don't worry. Ygs can attest I'm terrible at finding scum

[lane0168]

I just wanted to interject to say that I voted ygs because they weremy biggest scum read. There's no reason I didn't vote ika. Back on page 1 or 2

[lane0168]

You guys are talking in circles and neither care what the other is saying I think

[lane0168]

Fuck yah dude. All it takes is someone who is somebody I guess lol

VOTE: sthar8

[lane0168]

The things you're discussing are dumb. More when I have a keyboard.

Doubt it

[lane0168]

@ygs, can you not be so damn concerned about people's reads on you and focus on scum hunting if you're town? You're focused way too much on that. I don't even know how many times you've asked people to explain their reads on you. Frankly it concerns me enough to put you back into my scum pile. Do your part and fiND scum. You don't even have votes on you and you can't stop focusing on how you're peoples scum read. I mean I can see if you had 3 or 4 votes yeah, be a little defensive, but this is weird as shit without a single vote

[lane0168]

I am done, tonight this shall be read

Congrats

[lane0168]

VOTE: persivul
or sthar8. Or ika

[lane0168]

@grand cayman (or anyone else who wants to answer): Who are/were the best players in this game in your opinion? What skills make them good?

What? Why are you asking this? Definitely post game talk that's distracting from the game. for 1, it's been one day. You couldn't possibly know who's been best, but I'd say me.

But what?

P-edit: yeah Me either

[lane0168]

whats not to like about persivul? so far i have seen transparency form him

This, mixed with the whole 1 2 3 4 convo with ygs. Particularly the number 4s. Check it out

later ika is convinced ygs is scum. Unconvinced pers is scum. You don t say...

Ika is a good vote for tomorrow I think. I noticed other things back when I guessed ika and pers were scum buddies d1. But I don't have time to find them now

[lane0168]

GG everybody! Hopefully playing scum is like sex - clumsy the first coupla times, but better as you go.

VOTE: Persivul

You made it a day. You dun good! Great playing with you

[lane0168]

GG everybody! Hopefully playing scum is like sex - clumsy the first coupla times, but better as you go.

VOTE: Persivul

You made it a day. You dun good! Great playing with you

Thanks

Do you feel relieved. I always feel so relieved when I can be done playing scum. I hate it lol

[lane0168]

Persivul, the eye roll was a) our vote was there before we moved it to you, so your comment is odd and b) your vote is kinda terrible. I don't really understand your explanation. Your poke at ika looks better, though.

-bella

Can you explain to me why you emphasized the bit about the no lynch? I thought you were indicating that it appeared scummy.

Hmm, could also be ygs. Early call for wagon in pers knowing there wasn't enough to get a serious wagon? Interesting. This quote feels a little bit like coaching

[lane0168]

Who would you put a wagon on right now, and why? If it makes sense I'll help with some pressure.

He's responding to ygs in this quote

[lane0168]

Telling me to mix up my meta in the same post you declare you are gonna let anti do the heavy lifting for you kinda sucks, just so you know. Unless you know anti's alignment 100%, that is...

-bella

I didn't tell you to mix up your meta. You told me to check your meta. I noted that you could certainly have manipulated your meta, so there's no point in me checking it.

But I suppose my question on best players is an attempt to get summaries of metas from the rest of you, as I'm not able to read enough games myself.

Inside joke by bella? Hmmmm

[lane0168]

YGS was a constant pro-Persiv vote presence.

Bussing is even more antithetical to scum win condition in this setup.

Idk... I'm not convinced. It's easy to bus when the bus is full

[lane0168]

YGS was a constant pro-Persiv vote presence.

Bussing is even more antithetical to scum win condition in this setup.

I'm confused. If you dont think they are scum buddies, why were you not defending ygs, rather than promoting him and pers as the days lynch. Were you just trying not to be obvious that you knew about pers?

[lane0168]

anti can we lynch YGS tommorow?

Are you anti's kid brother or something?

[lane0168]

Umm jail keeper is dead. Killed night 1

[lane0168]

VOTE: ygs

Bella is scum blinders engage.

Gotta be right at some point

[lane0168]

Ugh so sthar8 is too? Pers was in most of his scumreads.

VOTE: ika

[lane0168]

early predictions here, I'll go with ika, persivul scum team. But don't worry. Ygs can attest I'm terrible at finding scum

I'd be pretty happy with myself if this was the case

[lane0168]

Cause the were on pers all the time. Sthar8 also had pers in his reads as scum most of the time beside the snippet he had him in the idgaf Category. And you called anti and ZZZX town. So you must be the last scum

[lane0168]

ok. Well if it's ika and ika wins I can be ok with that.

if it ygs and they win, I will not be ok wit that. Or sthar8

So VOTE: ...Sthar8

[lane0168]

Jk

VOTE: ygs

[lane0168]

Idfk

[lane0168]

VOTE: sthar8

[lane0168]

dammit. Sorry mod

[lane0168]

Why do you need a votecount?

[lane0168]

Claim of what? I bet he claims town. Do we still have a power roll?

[lane0168]

I don't think it's a hammer

[lane0168]

There's no way scum is going to push for a lynch that's in no one's lynch pool.

UNVOTE:
And I lIke it

[lane0168]

VOTE: sthar8

[lane0168]

So target below?

That's 2 kills tonight. should be 1 confirmed and 2 possible scum

[lane0168]

1 confirmed town I mean

[lane0168]

you bastard sthar. god I'm so manipulatable. easily maniplulated. good work anti. i'll take solace is the fact that I was townie as fuck. and hated sthar8's entrance. but damn, I thought I my post flip relations to ygs and ika were solid.

@bella "bella is scum" blinders... disengaged lol

[lane0168]

awesome... we won.

no thanks to me.

joke post? confirmed joke post. rvs is long over. good work anti. there... happy with the recognition?

[lane0168]

if everyone would have just voted with me on sthar8 day 1 and gc confirmed pers day 2 we wouldn't have had to put ourselves through this HAHA.

[lane0168]

awesome... we won.

no thanks to me.

you are the only person who can catch me as scum. jsyk

do i not get any credit for suspecting you on your first couple posts? i mean i know you called me names and all haha

[lane0168]

awesome... we won.

no thanks to me.

joke post? confirmed joke post. rvs is long over. good work anti. there... happy with the recognition?

nah, just wallowing

i'm in a wallow-y mood

hmm... any possible way we can bring you out of that mood to be feeling triumphant? i mean... cause that's how you SHOULD feel! either way. excellent work anti.

gg all. gg sthar, had me thinking it could be anti. for a second

[lane0168]

You were very obvious town though. You did that quite well.

i appreciate this.

[lane0168]

Idk either. But at least I had sthar8 in my early reads too. At the end it was just associations based