Open 621 (C9++): The ZAR SHOW S1 Holiday Special - OVER!

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/confirm

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At least one scum in ABR, Anen, Kmd and Yosarian.

Probably exactly one actually.

Guaranteed.

Because it was all too similar. Scum trying to blend in by copying other confirms and trying not to stand out.

hi, this is dumb. random chance says there is likely to be one scum in a group of four out of the thirteen players in this game, but your reason is bad.

vote: toffee

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hello to my peeps long time no see

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unvote

VOTE: shaddowz

Guy's a try-hard. 47 with the earnest "serious vote" tag, then in 52 he's super eager to justify his nothing.

STEP 1: "SERIOUS VOTE GUYS LOOK I'M TRYING"
STEP 2: "YES I THOUGHT A LOT ABOUT THAT VOTE THANK YOU FOR ASKING"

I disagree with this post, but I like it on an emotional level

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unvote, vote: kmd

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kmd and alwaysinnocent are scumbuddies. you heard it here first.

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there's some people being pretty obvtown around here so that's good

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kmd and alwaysinnocent are scumbuddies. you heard it here first.

I have my doubts about KMD, but I am curious why you think that. Like I said, trying to find positive connections between scum on D1 often fails. So why do you think you are able to find a connection between me and KMD? For giving up so easily on me? That caught my attention, too. But what does it tell us? Not much.

scumbuddies confirmed

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kmd and alwaysinnocent are scumbuddies. you heard it here first.

I have my doubts about KMD, but I am curious why you think that. Like I said, trying to find positive connections between scum on D1 often fails. So why do you think you are able to find a connection between me and KMD? For giving up so easily on me? That caught my attention, too. But what does it tell us? Not much.

scumbuddies confirmed

Kidding, right?

if i were a dayvig i would shoot you right now

unvote, vote: always innocent

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toffee, lynch always innocent with me today and i'll lynch yos with you tomorrow

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holy shit always innocent could not be more obvious scum please lets just lynch him already

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My PM was quite specific about how to confirm. (See the OP.) Are you suggesting that scum had different instructions? Or are you suggesting that it's scummy not to read the instructions, or scummy to read the instructions?

Are you being facetious on purpose?

People usually confirm in different ways; a few examples to illustrate my point.

'/confirm. Let's get this game going.'

'/confirm, wooooo, I'm excited'

'/confim, y'all are making me nervous already.'

'/confirm, accompanied with random GIF' etc etc.

I'm sure you get the point now.

actually he's right the verbiage of the pm was very specific, part of why i found your opening point dumb. also we're way beyond arguing about whose confirms are scummy now so lets just get together and lynch always innocent for actually being obvscum.

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die scum die

pew pew lazer beams

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lowell, kop, shadow and toffee are all town and should all climb aboard the always innocent wagon with me for great justice

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leeloo dallas multipass

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the reason this playstyle is effective is because scum freak right out when they can't figure out what they've done wrong

end lesson

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also lol at yos trying to explain my playstyle to always innocent to no avail as he continues to run headfirst into the wall of being obvscum

sorry your coaching didn't work out yos, love ya buddy

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lowell, kop, shadow and toffee are all town and should all climb aboard the always innocent wagon with me for great justice

Kop and shadow are town???

Is KMD town? A friend wants to know.

kop and shadow yes

kmd probably still no but i'd rank him behind ai and yos at this point, and there might only be two scum

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yos has your opinion of alwaysinnocent evolved at all since the last time you mentioned him? can you give me a more in depth explanation for why he is your top town read?

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lowell please just vote for alwaysinnocent with me. seriously, we can lynch yos tomorrow. anen is right that he's investigation bait. i'm also nostalgic and want more than one game day of yosarian2 even if he's going to play the take-my-ball-and-go-home card.

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how is it post 227 and this guy is doing literally the same scummy thing that toffee did in 9 like its just the random vote phase. pick four and say there is scum among them. the probability argument! he's probably right! it's amazing!

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happy saturnalia y'all

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ok at this point i could lynch either ai or yos today, nostalgia be damned. they're both scum.

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ok at this point i could lynch either ai or yos today, nostalgia be damned. they're both scum.

How about Yosarian + KMD?

how about you stop trying to deflect things back to kmd?

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i'm waiting for yos to call me tricksy again if he says it a third time beetlejuice will appear

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i'm also waiting for yos to stop burying himself in a stupid argument about reads lists and tell me in words why ai is a townread

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to answer whoever wanted to know why i am townreading lowell and kop, lowell is seeing the same things i'm seeing (except that he needs to see the light on ai), and kop is a gut read

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hey always innocent, at what point is the game mature enough for you to have scumreads instead of just scum-leans, equivocations and lurker votes?

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multipass

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For one thing, if he was scum, I don't really think he would turn on me like that and vote me when i was the one defending him. That does not seem like something a scum worried about self preservation would do.

so much wifom

is there a second thing? or a third thing?

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What I was trying to get at is that I think Yos' reasons for town reading ABR are BS. I think it's an early read to try and pocket ABR (and I think it's working). I don't think scum!Yos reads scum!ABR like that, I think he would try and flesh out the read a little more. I think this is scum!Yos trying to pocket town!ABR and nullify a potential threat to him. The fact he stated that ABR could easily manipulate the meta but still called him town felt all kinds of wrong to me as well.

this is gold

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He's also moving his vote around a lot in a way that feels townish, like he's really scumhunting.

this pretty much contradicts what he has actually stated he is doing with his votes, since he still refuses to scumread anyone

forget it, you're scum with him, i'll stop making you dance and help make you hang instead

unvote, vote: yosarian2

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ai, come back to your bus vote on yos and i'll give you a townie brownie!

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shhhhh yos just go quietly to the gallows like a good scum

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unvote, vote: always innocent

approximately one bajillion things are going on, and there's a pile of people scumreading him for all sorts of reasons at this point, and ai is arguing about whether he's making jokes instead of engaging with any of it.

ftr kmd is still a scumread and he is still looking very scumbuddytastic with always innocent. i also hate the whole paragraph above that starts with "for those wondering..." about yos and bbt, it's so scummy i want to barf. yos and bbt both town? i am actually coming on board with that conclusion a bit right now. yos really needs to ignore bbt and do something else with his time right now though i'm not reading any more of that back and forth.

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stop using the i'm an easy target defense ai, if you were an easy target you'd be lynched by now

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yosarian what % chance to do you think there is of you convincing the town to lynch bbt today?

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i just find it curious that you're doggedly sticking to a vote you seem to know isn't going anywhere and still haven't voted for ai despite now apparently completing the evolutionary process of your read on him from town to scum

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ROFL, for the record I'm not town reading yos and bbt. I'm trying to sort them. Can you tell me why you think I'm bussing always innocent? I'm wondering if you honestly believe that.

what this question? i don't like the way you worded it. i didn't say you were town reading them, i said the scummy stuff you were spewing fence sitting about them made me want to town read both of them. i think you continue to look scummy, you are voting someone else i expect to flip scum, ergo bussing. what exactly are you trying to get out of me here except more hot air? you're trying to get me to say something you can attack. "honestly."

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you at least understand why consistently placing other priorities ahead of ai makes you look like ai's scumbuddy to those of us scumreading ai, right?

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alwaysinnocent, always following onto bandwagons, never leading

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toffee the yos wagon is dead time for you to get on the ai wagon

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i am america and so can you

vote for alwaysinnocent

good day

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dumb stuff is happening and people should be voting for ai

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I'll finish catching up and respond at some point.

I'm absolutely astonished nobody is seeing what I'm seeing. I feel like I have taken crazy pills and entered a different world.

shut up and vote for ai already seriously

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I've had a long-running assumption that BBT is town. But all right, I guess I'll reexamine that. 531 makes an interesting point. And I agree with AI's 543.

I know for a fact that he takes other players' opinions into account, plays strategically, knows what lynches can and can't be done, etc.

He's only interested in engaging Yosarian with weak ass arguments. He looks like he's holding on to his positions tightly instead of evolving reads. I'm pretty sure he's scum, seen him do the same thing before.

this is a good post i'm firmly on the abr is town train now

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welp i'm a lot closer to a toffee vote but i still want ai dead the most

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ai / bbt scumteam actually makes a ton of sense

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I was starting to come around to this too until I saw the votecount. You think we'd get 8 votes on scum? Usually seems like one of two leading wagons is scum, but not both.

bad argument appeal to votecount doesn't mean shit they're both being scummy so sure we could have eight votes on scum
so i clearly can not choose the wine in front of me

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acryon says ai does not feel town, yet i feel like wrong town. error error does not compute.

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acryon y u no vote for ai?

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we're not letting ai live through this day nope not no way not no how

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i'm around to hammer toffee otherwise i'm leaving my vote on ai and not really paying attention overall right now

scum can kill me tonight i won't even be mad

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i'm around to hammer toffee otherwise i'm leaving my vote on ai and not really paying attention overall right now

scum can kill me tonight i won't even be mad

Hm, who could have predicted that rofl wouldn't be helpful in this?

psh being obvtown is super helpful in everything

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Rofl, what is your read on Tex? Any chance I can get your vote?

Preview edit: BBT, your name would look great on a Tex wagon.

why don't you think bbt should be the lynch?

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i'd change my vote but i love hammers too much

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somebody put him at l-1 so i can hammer?

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this 11th hour counterewagon on texcat looks pretty bad all around

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toffee is this the first time you've given an actual scumread that wasn't yos?

because that's absurd

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i'm convinced bbt should have done something today aside from harp on what yos did on page 4 and then argue about it for 30 pages

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yes and i will lynch you next thanks

unvote

somebody serve me up a hammer pretty please

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inb4 bbt is the most important scum role

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vote: toffee

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i'm not 100% on my ai scumread anymore i feel weird inside

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have i mentioned how town acryon is?

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lucky you should vote for toffee or at least explain your reads on toffee and yos

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vote: lucky

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dat day one sk slip looking more like an sk slip

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toffee is obvscum too though

aka

i agree with yosarian2

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bbt + kmd scum, lucky sk

gg thanks for playing

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Kop did everything he could do discourage people from lynching BBT specifically.

quoted for truthiness

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unvote, vote: toffee

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lucky is sk though no doubt about it

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pretty sure kmd chose to pursue the absolute least likely kop scumpartner lead

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What's your reasoning for kmd scum? I did notice he was the leading vote on both of the late day wagons D1, which happened to both be conf town now.

started the texcat wagon out of the clear blue sky while pushing up against deadline with toffee in immediate danger of becoming the lynch. and he's just generally scummy, i've been suspicious of him since p much the beginning.

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This feels very "I didn't screw up already, did I?". I also agree with Kop's assessment that AlwaysInnocent has been trying to look busy up to this point. Also interesting is that AlwaysInnocent took a five line Kop post as aggression when he made a few points but didn't vote.

I like Kop and Lowell so far. Kop might just be because I agree with his playstyle/theory so I'll try not to let that bias influence me too much. Actually, I'm liking Anen too, although I don't see any pigeons yet...

look at this scumbuddy shit

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just ctrl+f "kop" in kmd's iso and tell me you don't see it

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For those wondering who I side with on Yos vs BBT, I'm honestly not sure. I usually decide these things quickly, but both are good players so it's hard. Yes, Yos sounds more logical but his logic feels like it has holes and might be insincere. BBT is also playing to his scum meta, but his scum meta is to look town as fuck so that's pretty shitty to base a case on. I don't like BBT not replying to Yos' case but the case wasn't that great to begin with. I know this sucks, but I could go either way on both players.

like come on this is still so scummy

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Yeah, I'm with Yos on the most recent Yos/BBT exchange. BBT calling Yos' posts an attempt to discredit feels ridiculously manipulative. I like Yos' post 531 and think BBT should do that. It should be easy if he's so sure Yos is scum. If BBT is town though, I don't like Tex's sheep vote.

kmd can you explain how you got from here to starting the tex wagon, and why you never actually voted for bbt?

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SHE KNOWS ITS A MULTIPASS

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You went from "let's lynch AI" to "let's lynch texcat; she is textbook scum"? You have a shocking amount of open and shut cases ready to go.

Looks like scum going after

low hanging fruit

in order to prevent scum buddy BBT's lynch.

You had zero votes...

reposting because dead townie texcat was right on the money

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i'm an annoying spamposter sorry not sorry

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i'm more interested in the part that says "in order to prevent scumbuddy bbt's lynch" since that is exactly what happened. you managed to drum up a wagon from 0 to 60 at deadline which directly removed the noose from around toffee's neck, and today you've decided to selectively read kop's iso to pursue lowell instead of bbt. so yes when bbt flips scum you die next and then we lynch lucky if the game isn't over, and then the town wins. thanks!

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i believe focusing on the tex calling herself low hanging fruit instead of tex calling out kmd for saving bbt with the 11th hour counterwagon is known as a strawman argument

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"but she wasn't low hanging fruit, she had zero votes!"

*ignores the facts about the counterwagon*

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obviously her fruit hung low enough that you were able to scare up a lynch in like 48 hours

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let's not retread the was she low hanging fruit or not argument again, k? she had zero votes and then two days later she was lynched. so she was an easy enough target obviously.

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my hypothesis hasn't changed. toffee + kmd scumteam. lucky sk.

toffee sat on his yos vote long past its expiration date and now he's throwing stink on the wagon he didn't join and trying to shift blame to me for yos being town or something. somebody is preparing for a future where he has to defend sitting on that yos vote forever, even as he talks out of the other side of his mouth about the positives of lynching him "for the town."

i was gonna ask about the lucky sk thing too but lucky already hit it. pretty much confirmed not mafia unless somebody else wants to claim one of those kills last night.

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and for serious with this?

It doesn't help that I skimmed a lot of rofl's posting first time around

brevity is my middle name don't bullshit us

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funny how he's forcing the lucky=mafia read so he doesn't have to be as suspicious of kmd

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welp now that we've got all those lovely scum thoughts about how scummy everyone is we can get a ====[]

i like lucky the sk i agree with him a lot. good scumhunting sk!

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lol eff me lucky really was town

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and there's a serial killer?

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sheeeeeeeeeeeit

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um so kmd is obviously the mafia but now i really need to reread the other three of you

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we massclaim now

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who started the whole thing about someone will obviously investigate so and so? hold please

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you know god damnit i miss always innocent

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we need to know if this game rolled vvvv + ttt or if it rolled vvvv + t + xx

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did toffee block somebody's kill?

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leeloo dallas multipass indeed

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About Yosarian, in general. I can't decide whether he's scum and I can't talk about it because of [ongoing games], but I think he's someone whom could be investigated at Night – and that will clear everything.

No, I must admit I haven't played with scum-ABR. (I only know he did the same as here as town.) But, there may be investigation-PR(s) who, sooner or later, will try to sort him out, so...

Generally speaking, an investigation could make him confirmed in either way. (Of course only if we have Cop at all.)

Yeah, and if BBT gets lynched and flips town, I know who's needed to be investigated first.
In other words: I seriously disliked this jump.

ok... i really think we have our investigation immune serial killer right here actually

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ok wait if its vvvv + t + xx then its also possible we have a godfather

in which case bbt could have been hinting about having tried to shoot shaddowez in his last post?

either way anen's day one obsession with the possibility of investigations heavily suggests he is investigation immune

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this setup is awesome and i must play it again

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acryon is still a firm townread

i'm gonna need to talk some stuff over with you while we give everyone else the sideeye

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i was suggesting if you are bulletproof sk anen could be gf, toffee was really really intentionally shipping the bbt + kmd scumteam by the end of yesterday it's kind of making me sour but it's all very wifom

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start claiming

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i seriously need acryon to come talk this out because all the rest of you are crazy

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scum could have blocked/killed abr if they read him as a power role but it's more likely the scum kill failed on a bulletproof sk or there were two kills directed at abr

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i think the sk killed lucky, lucky killed lowell and scum killed yos who was the most obviously cleared by toffee flipping scum out of anyone

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anen can you link any of your town games where you speculate like that about who should be investigated?

pretty sure shaddowez is sk. the only reason for bbt to completely overlook the evidence all the rest of us were taking for lucky being sk in his whole smear-everyone campaign is if scum had hidden evidence of their own on an sk.

kmd continues to act like scum. day one is rife with kmd scum evidence now that toffee is flipped scum.

the kills are weird. y'all are probably right that an sk would leave lucky alive. but yos makes too much sense as the mafia kill.

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self killing is crazy but.. maybe? or shaddowez is a 1-shot vig like she is hinting (or sk who planned a 1-shot vig fakeclaim) and she shot him and if so please just claim so we can clear some of this shit up.

i still think we should massclaim

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yes scum have incentive to fakeclaim power but we still need to see all the pieces so we can work out what doesn't fit

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ok that makes anen's day one posting about investigations a lot less remarkable

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kmd is scum

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why does yos make sense as the mafia kill? because toffee very nearly got him lynched on day one etc and no one was ever going to lynch him?

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vanilla, go kmd

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well you can throw out the 1-shot vig talking points now

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kmd mafia, shaddowez sk

game set match

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anen can i tell you a secret about why my start of d3 posting looks so weird?

it was the middle of the night and i was high as a motherfucker[/quote]
regarding 503, um... wow? if i were really going to crumb something (or fake crumb) it would be in order. also i wouldn't crumb that. also i am america and so can you is the name of a stephen colbert book so that line as as much relevance to the game as leeloo dallas.

frankly if acryon is not town we lose the game to him, and it's not worth worrying about. the choice to me for the lynch today is between kmd and shaddowez, and i think the correct move today is to try to lynch the sk because kmd is so glaringly obviously the mafia.

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i'm thoroughly enjoying these two hypothesizing how the other could be the scum that they are

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i'm terrible at bbcode tags it turns out

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holding off on voting to give anen the time he needs, intending to vote shaddowez

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pouring one out for all my homies in the dead thread

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shaddowez who do you think is the mafia?

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anen i didn't start the claims because i didn't want to tip off the scum that they needed to claim vanilla

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out and about on my phone right now, no problem with lynching shaddowez but i'll wait til i get home to think it over once more and vote

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people's assumption that I'm scum just because I was slow to pull the trigger on any BBT suspicion

lol thats an absurd understatement

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rofl had a lot of posting and was appearing to be town, but until the SK conversation started wasn't providing a lot of substance.

beep boop error error does not compute

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vote: shaddowez

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my home internet is out. i'm gonna try to get on the work computer tonight if i can otherwise i'll suck it up and make an actual phone post later. leaning towards anen. kmd made sense as mafia not as sk. but i think we need to pick over toffee's closing posts again.

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the mafia team had a much clearer picture of what went on with the nightkills than we do

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ok nope my boss is here tonight so i'll do my best with my phone when i get out of work later

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this is going to be hard to do by phone because i feel like i'll need to quote things. i disagree with anen's characterization of my interactions as "impersonal." i think it's disingenuous.

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i don't believe there is anything i can do to prevent you from voting for me. you've been building up your rofl=sk case since yesterday.