Stretchiest post in the thread.
VOTE: beeboy
In post 30, Cobalting wrote:{beeboy}
{Snarky Snowman, Aristophanes}
{ika}
{Something_Smart, Shinobi}
{Viva la Gloria}
In post 35, Aristophanes wrote:I dislike how you pushed it mostly.
What was the point of quoting her profile?
In post 38, Cobalting wrote:In post 37, Shinobi wrote:In post 30, Cobalting wrote:{beeboy}
{Snarky Snowman, Aristophanes}
{ika}
{Something_Smart, Shinobi}
{Viva la Gloria}
Because?
In post 35, Aristophanes wrote:I dislike how you pushed it mostly.
What was the point of quoting her profile?
I'm a man.
Why?
I don't want you in lylo by your first impression
-pc
In post 53, Viva La Gloria wrote:SS.
Shinobi asked me what my other scum reads when half the game hadn't posted and what had been said was all RVS.
How ELSE do I interpret it?
So obviously, if he wanted to act normally, he could have.
Why couldn't I be right and he could have slipped up and made a poor play while trying too hard to look town?
Everyone's played well as scum before. Why can't any scummy thing by Shinobi be written off as "oh obviously if he wanted to act towny he could have"?
Why is it not likely that Shinobi wanted to present himself as trying hard to scumhunt before it was an appropriate reaction to the game state?
If you're saying that that was a reaction test, what reactions was Shinobi looking for? Why hasn't he followed up on it?
In post 58, beeboy wrote:In post 12, Shinobi wrote:All of these votes are bad, even by rvs standards.
In the off chance you aren't trying to get a reaction out of people what do you think an ideal RVS is?
In post 59, beeboy wrote:This is going to be a fun setup trying to find scum who are actively trying to find scum (literally just town intentions).
In post 64, beeboy wrote:In post 63, Shinobi wrote:A short one where people push to get out of it ASAP.
The only way I can see that happen is by people being pressured for playing incredibly poorly creating early discussion which is exactly what we did. Using that logic wouldn't this have been a good RVS stage.
In post 79, Masquerade wrote:In post 21, Viva La Gloria wrote:In post 20, Shinobi wrote:...And?
RVSing is normal.
You participate in RVS normally and don't have an established history of attacking it.
You called people out on the first page for doing RVS votes and asked them who their legitimate scumreads are, like they should have them. That's absolute nonsense.
Good point.
In post 22, Shinobi wrote:You're not really describing anything that actually relates to scum motivation either.
You're just pointing to a thing and saying "this is different!" without any sense of context. It seems rather silly.
Good point too.
In post 23, Viva La Gloria wrote:Awkward and bizarre behaviour is scum indicative because you're uncomfortable playing scum and make weird plays trying too hard to look like you're scumhunting in pursuit of trying to look towny.
I have context; I've read a bunch of your games' RVSes. This is not normal at all.
Ok, I guess.
Shinobi gives me the feeling that he's trying to avoid being suspected. Which he's not doing a very good job at.
VOTE: Shinobi
In post 92, Viva La Gloria wrote:You colossally slipped up on page 1 and the rest of your play has been an incredibly forced attempt to look like a good boy scumhunter.
Where do you think you get off asking people what their 'other townreads' are and criticizing RVS votes on the first page?
Riddle me this batman.
In post 96, beeboy wrote:
Waiting on The Shadow, Ika, Lilac, BrightEyedFish (prob missing someone) to post something.
I could tunnel in on posts that mean little to nothing to get a reaction but that would make it to easy for late arriving scum to hop on a wagon and blend in without having to make real opinions for themselves.
In post 181, beeboy wrote:In post 180, Shinobi wrote:Are you intending to get to that or what's the point, exactly?
Wouldn't that ruin the experiment?
In post 189, Viva La Gloria wrote:Shinobi, you didn't vote me despite the fact that I was pushing on you.
Why?
In post 184, Masquerade wrote:So Shinobi I was just going through your iso to remind myself where you stand on Viva and I couldn't find it. I couldn't find any kind of stance actually, except thinking I'm scum. Do you have reads on other players?
In post 257, Viva La Gloria wrote:Supreme Overlord is still bugging the shit out of me and the Ika vote is frankly terrible.
But Ranger is being useless and anti-town as hell by refusing to explain her reads.
I'd like to switch but I also think we should seriously threaten to lynch Ranger if she continues to refuse to elaborate so that she gets shit done.
In post 264, Cobalting wrote:Sorry, made an error last list.
{beeboy, droog, Masquerade, Aristophanes}
{Snarky Snowman, TheShadow}
{ika, Silverwolf}
{Something_Smart, Supreme Overlord}
{Viva la Gloria, Shinobi}
This is where I'mactuallyat.
In post 276, Something_Smart wrote:In post 271, Shinobi wrote:
What's that supposed to mean?
Several people have indicated that Ranger does exactly this all the time. Even if you do want her reads explained, it doesn't follow that you think she's scum. This is opportunism.
In post 279, Cobalting wrote:Yes. As shown by: Masquerade being my top-tier town in spite of him pushing me as scum, and me having had you all as scumShinobi wrote:Is there actually something besides "people that want to kill me because I'm not explaining my reads are mafia" behind your scumreadsbeforethere was any sentiment about me being scum. If you want to play the OMGUS game, you'll lose since it was very clear: I had a scumread on you in my first post, and you didn't scumread me until after I had listed for a while.
Both?SilverWolf wrote:Cobalting: Can you explain why I was placed above 4 people when I hadn't posted much of anything yet? Is it just that you have strong scumreads on those 4 or do you often put your nulls in the middle like that?
In post 278, Something_Smart wrote:Just because nothing precludes someone from being scum, it doesn't make them scum.
You voted for a reason, but on closer examination that reason is crap. It was basically an excuse to join the leading wagon without strongly committing.
In post 283, beeboy wrote:In post 281, Shinobi wrote:I'm pretty committed to this wagon - I don't know why you think I'm not.
Yeah, you tell him you are tunneling. #ROASTED
In post 287, beeboy wrote:In post 286, Shinobi wrote:What exactly are you getting at?
That I think you need to reconsider your vote.
In post 288, Something_Smart wrote:In post 283, beeboy wrote:In post 281, Shinobi wrote:I'm pretty committed to this wagon - I don't know why you think I'm not.
Yeah, you tell him you are tunneling. #ROASTED
I don't get it
Shinobi if you're so committed why don't you make a case on Cobalting?
In post 292, Something_Smart wrote:You say you're committed, but your actions don't reflect that. You haven't pushed the wagon at all, nor given any compelling reasons. Therefore, until you actually do what you say you are doing, I will continue to call you opportunistic.
In post 294, Something_Smart wrote:Shinobi wrote:This just in: voting is noncommittal.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
In post 281, Shinobi wrote:I'm pretty committed to this wagon - I don't know why you think I'm not.
...
In post 298, Something_Smart wrote:what does that mean...
In post 296, SilverWolf wrote:
What are your reads? Does the fact that Shinobi isn't engaging either of us bother you at all?
In post 301, Something_Smart wrote:Shinobi wrote:In post 298, Something_Smart wrote:what does that mean...
That was the sound of that joke going over your head.
your point?
are you committed or not?
In post 308, SilverWolf wrote:In post 300, Shinobi wrote:In post 296, SilverWolf wrote:
What are your reads? Does the fact that Shinobi isn't engaging either of us bother you at all?
I didn't know scum!silver was so spineless.
I didn't realize scum!Shinobi was so obvious. I don't think you can articulate your read on Cobalting at all and are not reacting to the pressure from it in a way I've seen town Shinobi react to pressure before. Plus your reaction to me is meh. I don't feel you really want to figure me out at all.
VOTE: Shinobi
In post 281, Shinobi wrote:In post 278, Something_Smart wrote:Just because nothing precludes someone from being scum, it doesn't make them scum.
You voted for a reason, but on closer examination that reason is crap. It was basically an excuse to join the leading wagon without strongly committing.
I'm pretty committed to this wagon - I don't know why you think I'm not.
If you want to press me on the fact that I think the guy belittling my efforts for reasons he can't be bothered to explain is scum then go ahead.
In post 321, TheShadow wrote:Prod acknowledged, haven't had as much time for this as I'd hoped.
VOTE: Shinobi
Vote belongs here for now.
In post 317, Cobalting wrote:Dude, the game's thirteen pages long.Supreme Overlord wrote:However - and I don't want to sound too lazy here - but I don't really feel like going through your ISO, played 'spot the difference' with your lists, then going back to the game pages to try to figure out what happened in between that caused your opinion to change.
Thirteen.
You'd have a more compelling argument if it was thirty.
And I've been listing since page three; you could have started back then. Or even now. My list keeps changing now.
I could explain a controversial read, but reads everyone agrees with, I see no reason to. droog fits that category: those who aren't townreading him are null-reading him.If you don't want to explain everything, maybe now that I've taken a stab at why you listed droog as town, you could explain your reasoning for that, at least?
Oh, and:
VOTE: Shinobi.
In post 30, Cobalting wrote:{beeboy}
{Snarky Snowman, Aristophanes}
{ika}
{Something_Smart, Shinobi}
{Viva la Gloria}
In post 38, Cobalting wrote:In post 37, Shinobi wrote:In post 30, Cobalting wrote:{beeboy}
{Snarky Snowman, Aristophanes}
{ika}
{Something_Smart, Shinobi}
{Viva la Gloria}
Because?
In post 35, Aristophanes wrote:I dislike how you pushed it mostly.
What was the point of quoting her profile?
I'm a man.
Why?
I don't want you in lylo by your first impression
-pc
In post 317, Cobalting wrote:Dude, the game's thirteen pages long.Supreme Overlord wrote:However - and I don't want to sound too lazy here - but I don't really feel like going through your ISO, played 'spot the difference' with your lists, then going back to the game pages to try to figure out what happened in between that caused your opinion to change.
Thirteen.
You'd have a more compelling argument if it was thirty.
And I've been listing since page three; you could have started back then. Or even now. My list keeps changing now.
I could explain a controversial read, but reads everyone agrees with, I see no reason to. droog fits that category: those who aren't townreading him are null-reading him.If you don't want to explain everything, maybe now that I've taken a stab at why you listed droog as town, you could explain your reasoning for that, at least?
Oh, and:
VOTE: Shinobi.
In post 328, Something_Smart wrote:Spoiler: lol nope
These are all the times you mentioned Cobalting before the vote. If this is all, then it's a very weak and opportunistic vote. Your explanation after the fact is a variant of OMGUS: "they're scumreading me and they won't say why" which is a scum mindset.
I'm fine with this.
VOTE: Shinobi
In post 332, Something_Smart wrote:Town can be wrong, too. If somebody isn't explaining a scumread on you, especially when it's their meta to do so, they may simply be wrong. But you, who knows they're right, are upset by this, and try to discredit them.
Also, nice AtE.
In post 384, Aristophanes wrote:Really?In post 382, Shinobi wrote:I need to reread droog as well - I don't like that Aero post.
I liked it...
Also, Aero, I am awkward a lot.
Just sayin'