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In post 12, Shinobi wrote:All of these votes are bad, even by rvs standards.
In the off chance you aren't trying to get a reaction out of people what do you think an ideal RVS is?-
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In post 63, Shinobi wrote:A short one where people push to get out of it ASAP.
The only way I can see that happen is by people being pressured for playing incredibly poorly creating early discussion which is exactly what we did. Using that logic wouldn't this have been a good RVS stage.-
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In post 73, Something_Smart wrote:
Aristo, do you think Viva is scum? Or do you just want to pressure him?
This is an incredibly pointless question as he shouldn't need to answer that in this stage of the game.-
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Waiting on The Shadow, Ika, Lilac, BrightEyedFish (prob missing someone) to post something.
I could tunnel in on posts that mean little to nothing to get a reaction but that would make it to easy for late arriving scum to hop on a wagon and blend in without having to make real opinions for themselves.-
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In post 97, Shinobi wrote:It sounds like masquerade's giant post follows the sort of thing you're talking about in yet you haven't commented on it. Why?
I don't know if you mean you on masquerade or masquerade on you.
For you on masquerade, I wouldn't call 2 votes and an opinion tunneling and making it easy on scum to fit in.
For masquerade on you, I don't see people voting you a problem the statement that you are trying to hard to look town is bad in the sense that there is no evidence to back that up which doesn't indicate scum just a lazy claim unless Masq can't follow up with evidence to support that claim. There is a difference between stealing ideas to fit in and having your own opinion on someone currently being pressured.-
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I was fine with something_smart making a mistake thinking viva called it a slip that is a human error. It is a bit of a stretch to call it a wagon attempt but I am ok with that since I understand the logic. The inability to admit he made a mistake discredits the town intentions in his viva scum claim and not accepting an error is incredibly scummy-
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Why don't you like me?
It also is a scum trait because they are paranoid they will be wagoned if they make a false claim or contradict themselves so they would try to disprove it. Town is less concerned about looking town so they would rather move on with the game and admit to a simple mistake. Also something_smart is exaggerating a lot of statements and has tried to twist what I have said.-
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In post 122, Aristophanes wrote:What makes Something Smart sticking to his guns scummy in this instance?
To start off the original push was incredibly forced saying the Vivo was trying to force a lynch using a buzz words. This is incredibly dramatic claim imo but it is understandable that someone would believe this.
Then Vivo explained his reasoning but something_smart refused to believe it which I already explained why I believed that was incredibly scummy behavior. Another thing is whether or not they disagree on what a slip-up is if Vivo think that a slip-up is incredibly different from a slip something_smart should have realized it wasn't a scum intent but rather a misunderstanding to he kept pushing.
(This occurred after I made the claim)
He then proceeded to try and twist my argument at the end of post 112 and in post 114. Which further discredits the town incentive in his original claim because he has been consistently exaggerating or twisting claims.-
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In post 127, Something_Smart wrote:Beeboy do you think I knew the difference between slip and slip up but purposely confused them?
I never said that what i said was even if you disagree with what a slip up was you should have realized it wasn't a scum intent when Viva said what he thinks a slip up is.
Your last 3 posts have been you saying I thought something I didn't think.-
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In post 130, Viva La Gloria wrote:My opinion is that correct play in multiball is to go for the players who are both likely to be scum and unlikely to be cross killed;
My opinion is that we should keep what we are looking for to ourselves so people don't try and avoid doing it.-
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In post 130, Viva La Gloria wrote:I think Cobalting needs to be forced to explain their reads lists right now.
Let's be honest that was definitely a reactions list.-
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In post 128, Masquerade wrote:Avoid being suspected by looking useful getting us out of RVS quickly. I'm saying Shinobi wanted to gain some towncred trying to launch us out of RVS. When he got questioned about them instead of backed up, he panicked and got awkward.
The thing people are waiting for are actual quotes to support this claim-
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In post 147, Viva La Gloria wrote:I don't understand what this means.
They weren't legit reads he was trying to get reactions out of people o.o Unless they where legit reads then Cobalting can feel free to explain them-
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In post 149, Viva La Gloria wrote:Sure, maybe, but I want explanation because it feels like she just threw scumreads on the people under the most pressure and called it a day.
I am definitely wanting more content from cobalting because pressuring doesn't really say anything about there thoughts on the game. It is just the description on that read list isn't what I want.-
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@supreme if scum know what I believe are scum tells in this set up they are going to avoid doing it. (Obviously I would reveal if someone did it) Also it creates a situation where a scum can force me to do a bad lynch if someone does a scum tell by mistake. Or they can pressure me for not following my own scum tell. A reason I wouldn't follow my own tell is if they have a reasonable explanation.
@supreme He put me at the top of the town list for my first post of the game. Feel free to read and you will see why I can't understand that is a legit read list. Although the fact he remained consistent with it does make me admit I am probably wrong about my statement.-
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Believe it or not atm the way Cobaltings 2 heads aren't coordinating is making me believe they are town. I don't play with or as a hydra a lot because I tend to play off-site so correct me if this is wrong or basic hydra play. Scum hydras are more likely to coordinate reads like this because it makes it easier to push bad lynches and cover each others claims. The goal of a scum would be have a plan and stick to it to end game the town. I can imagine a town hydra could easily forget to coordinate this early on since they are just scum hunting.-
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In post 176, Masquerade wrote:Your vote is still on Beeboy, you have him high up on your townlist, why haven't you removed your vote?
It doesn't mean anything since I am at L-6 lol-
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In post 180, Shinobi wrote:Are you intending to get to that or what's the point, exactly?
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In post 182, Masquerade wrote:Probably yeah, why did you answer that for Aristo?
Because it was an obvious answer.-
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In post 190, Shinobi wrote:-.-
This game is getting boring and I am hoping Droog can make it more interesting.-
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Funny enough I made a read list in place of a response for this and the top 2 wagons I cannot read right now.
Cobalting is just playing weirdly and I believe that wagon is only in place to drive more clear content.
Viva is so jumpy I cannot get my thoughts together at 2am but nothing stuck out so I don't really want to look into his slot right now-
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In post 200, Something_Smart wrote:Viva is scum mostly because his reaction to Shinobi on the first few pages is terrible. His logic is awful, especially since he's saying "only scum do weird stuff early" when he does weird things like looking up and posting Shinobi's profile. He's scum by his own logic.
Cobalting has made an effort to avoid analyzing anything. It makes them hard to read, which makes them lean scum.
@beeboy why are you scumreading Snarky?
Not seeing anything with viva and cobalting, don't get me wrong I see the logic I just think they could easily flip town since it isn't indicative enough for me imo. I am rereading the ISO though and I think cobalting is semi scum until they drive the game forward a bit.
Snarky isn't driving the game forward at all even more than cobalting.-
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In post 203, ika wrote:im amazed how ppl have been ignoring me
99% sure I am scum reading you on my post. Plz read the game and do something-
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In post 214, ika wrote:In post 212, beeboy wrote:In post 203, ika wrote:im amazed how ppl have been ignoring me
99% sure I am scum reading you on my post. Plz read the game and do something
your not voting em though so my reason to be intresed is unfounded....
im waitng on silver
That's really sketchy how you are waiting for every replacement before you participate. What makes you special?-
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This set up has 4 scum I can't vote all of them. Avoiding day 1 is a huge scum trait.-
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Something_Smart wrote:@people who've played with ika before: does he frequently ask to be voted?
Beeboy why are you scumreading ika? Lack of content?
That was a year ago I honestly can't remember.
I was scum reading Ika originally for no content which isn't really worth and I only planned to do something if that continued to happen. Although his response is so scummy it isn't funny. The reason why I said I didn't like early wagons is because I really don't believe it accomplishes anything as they always tend to fall apart and if they don't they are usually newb town wagons. What I like about Day 1 is that it sets the tone for the rest of the game, since there isn't a lot of content it is awkward at times to post reads and it is very difficult for people to hide there true colours when it comes to what they think a scum tell is. By not establishing this tone a player becomes a lot harder to read as a suspicious action becomes can easily be justified as there is no prior information in the game for that player (I don't believe in meta). Also post 96 explains why I don't like people who post there content later in in the game.
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VOTE: Ika
The only intent I can see with going last are scum related and I don't want to play with someone who doesn't like day 1 anyway as I think it is very important.-
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In post 232, Something_Smart wrote:So ika doesn't like day 1, but his lack of content is not due to that and instead because he is scum?
What about his reaction was scummy?
Refusing to participate before Wolf joins is very scummy because he will have everyone's thoughts on the game before he says his so it is harder for people to question him.-
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In post 270, SilverWolf wrote:-droog I'm very paranoid about because I've played 3 games with him, he's been scum each time, and won them all by fooling me into thinking he's town, for this reason alone I am not going to make a call on his alignment yet
Tfw when I was used as lynch bait in 2 of those games.-
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In post 281, Shinobi wrote:I'm pretty committed to this wagon - I don't know why you think I'm not.
Yeah, you tell him you are tunneling. #ROASTED-
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In post 286, Shinobi wrote:What exactly are you getting at?
That I think you need to reconsider your vote.-
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In post 315, Supreme Overlord wrote:Can you elaborate on what changed your mind? I agreed with your first post, and think it's still true by the time of your second; why back off? Also, I don't think Cobalting was 'against' anything on ika.
I was on a wagon with you and I genuinely believe it is part of Cobalting's meta and is just a play style preference
In post 315, Supreme Overlord wrote:So you don't believe in meta, but you do believe in Peer Pressure?
3 people tell me an opinion. That means that 2 people must not be on a scum team with Cobalting.-
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In post 359, Aeronaut wrote:In post 357, beeboy wrote:Aero wtf is wrong with your slot.
Idk. You tell me.
I don't have your role pm so I wouldn't know.-
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In post 374, ika wrote:Silver can you link the game about shinobi?
Can you explain the bee town read a little I feel like his long wait to vote me feels off
I'll look into ss and so later to see when I get off
I want to sort this game asap
My uni apps are done but I have low motivation to participate in any game right now but I think it will pass so I am going to try and stick around.
I don't like Masq's unvote at all, I can't imagine anyone hammering and it was his scum read pretty much all game.
Although I really don't like Shinobi's reaction to being at L-1 it was very low effort and felt scummy. It didn't provide any reads or anything to help town and it felt as though he was trying to appeal to the fact that there was so much time left in the day and that if he did nothing about being at L-1 we would move on so we could make more use out of discussion time.-
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