Open 627: Mexican Standoff [endgame]

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VOTE: Smudger
For a crappy avatar. Jusat sayin...

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14

kuroi -2 +3 =8 -11 =12 -==14 =39 -51 =77 | =51 =64

Aneninen R -4 ==6 -7 | =11 -14

Smudger ==3 +9 -10 | +14

acryon -3 v4 u119 R =31 | =11 =14

Persivul +=2 -10 R +316

pisskop -1 ==2 -13

plotinus = +1 +7 +8 -11 =12 +13 -=14 -443 | -577 -581 v626 =648

radiantcowbells =3 -5 -11 ✝

Nice...

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vc

I think you kinda missed the point.

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Scared? Perhaps. Paranoid? Sure. Upset? Maybe.

No but really he's just impatient.

More . I hope this isn't the RC head because I don't want to start liking you, but this stuff is pretty good.

Regarding Kain, yes, he's coming across more as excited to get the game going than nervous in a scummy way.

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I am VERY aggressive in TOS, and I will do so here too, because that is the only way to catch evil players off guard and lynch them quickly. Quietness is not good which is why I want people to move

Sure, aggression can be good. What's good about lynching people quickly?

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Titus seems like town based on reaction to Kaintepes.

Ouch. That post isn't much to be basing a town read on. Actually it reminded me of Titus' D1 play in our last scum game together.

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Overreacting to what?

Kain's frenetic playstyle maybe?

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Actually if you'd like to talk about overreacting, hard defending someone who hasn't yet even been accused of being scum nor had anything more than a semi-serious vote on them fits the bill quite nicely, don't you think?

How about you explain attacking someone for pushing their reads?

Dismissive, antagonistic, cynical, and an overall dick describe one of my scum metastatic pretty well, by the way. Mind explaining yourself here?

Just going to say that based on what we have here if I had a gun to my head I'd shoot KT and BC, and the former mostly because of the reaction of the latter. That's a really scummy, post, IMO.

Speaking of over-reacting...
VOTE: Extrapolated

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Yeah that was a bit of an overreaction, sorry.

Let's forget that and go here:

I don't like burnings reaction.

VOTE: Burning Crystal

This one is serious.

A page ago you thought they were town.

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Also your sucking up to Titus is disgusting

What post were you classifying as sucking up?

you feeling better now dave?

VOTE: smugder

I don't see this as a naked vote. It seems obvious to me he's calling out smudger for fluff posting.

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Go to that post (86). Look at the top right. If the button says Q-, click on it so it says Q+.

Or completely close your browser and open it again. That works sometimes too.

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Uh, no it didn't.

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Eagle's defense is really bad. Just because we can't get inside a person's mind and judge their attitude with 100% accuracy doesn't mean that attitude isn't a valid factor for consideration. Sometimes we can base that judgment on meta. Even without meta, there are certain traits that are generally associated with town or scum play.

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1. This is an ok statement: "eagle looked like he had a really scummy attitude to a lot of players that game." I won't dispute this, I actually agree
2. This is not an ok statement: "eagle's attitude was really scummy that game" this is not ok he doesn't know what's going on inside my head

Split hairs much? I mean WTF, we all know that he can't really get inside your head. The two statements are the same to any reasonable player.

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Does anyone think that I've offended Eagle?

I don't. I suspect he's making an issue out of it to try to distract from real issues like the flip-flop on the BC read.

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Not liking Mr. Self-Proclaimed Aggressive turning to AtE all of a sudden.

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Wat is AtE??

Appeal to emotion. Saying your feelings are hurt, etc.

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I see a lot of posturing from KainTepes about being aggressive, and that's good, because evil players aren't aggressive, and that's bad, so he needs to be aggressive.
Looks like an act, which is scummy to me.
VOTE: KainTepes

In your experience do newbscum go out of their way to draw attention to themselves like that?

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You're not going to intimidate him into confessing. If you think he's scum you need to build an evidential case that others can follow.

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Persivul, what are your thoughts so far?

I don't like EE but TBH I've been busy with work and another game and need to put some time into this one.

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Someone explain the reasons for scum reading me?

180 switch on the Titus read and getting into a battle over semantics off the top of my head.

Spoiler:

Whatever. I don't want to deal with this atm. Maybe I'll get back to this game later, I'm still sick to my stomach over the way I was treated here. It may be acceptable to y'all, but that qualifies as an invasion of privacy in my book. I have no problem with what aneninen said, I do have a problem with the way he said it. To pretend to understand me like that after playing that game the way he did.... And then defending him with that BS when the whole time you were agreeing with me- I hate the attacks made against me. Perhaps you guys are different from me and offended by different things, but that doesn't excuse attacking me for being offended by something like that- and I didn't ask much from him, just that he watchs his word choice. But instead of staying out of it you had to get into it. It isn't even really a game related topic and you defended him. My mind is still racing with why.

I'm sorry I really don't want to play after that BS. I could sit here and take apart every piece of that pile of horse waste of an argument that was used against me but I doubt I could get through your dense skull with a jackhammer, so I'm not even going to try. I need more space for the time being and if you push me I will either claim or replace out.

Seriously, I think your actions by coming into to something that doesn't really affect you was drastically and horrifyingly inappropriate.

You're putting us in a bad position here. I don't want to see someone get RL pissed off over this, but I've posted similar stuff in the past, and only when I was scum. It was partially true and partially strategic. When I'm town and I think I'm misunderstood or treated badly, I don't threaten to replace out, because I'm satisfied that my lynch is going to give town good info, and particularly on D1 when there's usually a mislynch anyway. All I see from you is concern about your personal survival. I don't see concern for town. Some people do get overly concerned with personal survival as town, but in general it's more often a scum trait, because scum have smaller teams and the loss of one has much greater impact than loss of a single town.

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Checking in, hows everyone doing?

Ill have important stuff soon, but there are a few things I need to address:

1. Burning Crystal, please provide more reads on people not named Eagle. In fact, pushing Eagle would be an improvement. Same goes for Mad King.

2. I do think Eagle is not a good lynch D1. I think this is a noobtown mislynch in the waiting and I will not touch it. I ask the rest of you to do the same. Good choices would be

Burning Crystal or Persivul

. (More info on this coming).

3. @Kain: Why are you here and why did you join mafiascum?

Titus

I need more from you. An looks like town.

Pers looks nasty

. VOTE: persivul

Wowsers - speaking of looking nasty, it seems like more than coincidence that a replacement comes in, points a finger at two people, and then you also go after those two like three posts later.

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I like this. I'm getting townie reads from Kop.

Kop looks pretty obvtown. The only thing that concerns me is that he's posting more than he usually does. Hopefully that's a good thing.

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You're ruining this game. It's no fun if someone is actually upset about it IRL.

mod, please replace me