Open 628: Masons and Mafia | Endgame

[Lowell]

Claim Mason. ;D come get me scum

Love this tactic.

VOTE: ika

I'm irrationally excited about this game. Let's kill us some scums!

[Lowell]

Disclaimer: I just now realized the killing mechanic... I'm an idiot.

I'll be over here in the corner

It wasn't a particularly long RVS, it looked like the ika discussion on the last page brought us out of that, especially when compounded with the claim. Though I do find it a bit odd that Kirroha and Kop put in RVS votes this late on (even though it was for each their first post).

There's a lot of people pretending not to know the rules. This is suspicious.

In a related story, I also didn't know the rules.

UNVOTE: titus (was I voting titus? whatever)

VOTE: d3f3nd

In my experience people trying too hard to pin down exactly which votes are or aren't random are a little too worried about votes. And all this guy does is meta-talk.

Also [fos]lane[/fos] who doth protest too much on the "omg I don't know the rules" thing. settle down, guy. even his attempts to NOT do that (see post #100) come off as try-hard.

More on this Monday. I'm on a phone and it's too hard to type and see the game.

[Lowell]

VOTE: beeboy

I thought DK hit it on the head about beeboy, and titus makes the obvious connection to the timing of the kill. Though I find a few others (Insidious, D3f3nd) to have been following blind.

After beeboy dies I'm going back to D3f3nd... he's still too meta for my liking, despite what he says.

[Lowell]

VOTE: kop

Be with me on this, gang. His ISO is of someone paying careful attention but not really wanting to show his cards.

[Lowell]

Also

fos insidious

after rereading 145. Looks like he's trying hard to explain what needs no explanation. What I read is "LOOK HOW TOWN I AM, GUYS!".

Some of these titus-sheep have to be scum.

[Lowell]

I am literally the greatest.

Also ditto the above, explain kirroha.

[Lowell]

Also lane, begrudgingly, is town.

[Lowell]

Because I hate you.

[Lowell]

nah jk you're all right.

[Lowell]

PS gang I think we'll have to scumhunt now. Not going to count on the rest of the scum team being as bad as these dumbass rubes beebop and kop.

[Lowell]

So far my town block is me and lane. acronyn wants to be there, but meh, not sure about that yet.

[Lowell]

Eh, I don't know about the Jeannie wagon. Leaning town on her.

We're down to two scum and this is nightless, so we get to three town players and we're home free.

I'm town, and Lane (I now believe) doesn't have a clue how the mechanics of this game work, so he's town, too. Find us one more.

fos acryon

. This is a pet theory of mine, still working out the details. His behavior before Kop's death troubles me. First, he made a show about being with me, which looks like buddying. Second, the way he "confirmed" me as town after Kop's ridiculous death makes me think he's signalling a teammate (lest THREE different scum are suicidally trigger-happy). I'll be honest, the only thing keeping me from a vote here is that I enjoy positive feedback, and he's good to have around for that.

[Lowell]

The first post of the two that D3f3nd3r mentioned doesn't really strike me as a scumtell, just somewhat awkward phrasing. Beeboy's mason claim was an... odd move, to say the least, but I can see how it could have just been an ill-thought-out gambit or just a joke. Either way it is somewhat suspicious, but doesn't really stand out to me as an especially great reason to vote him. 105, though, I don't like at all. I hadn't looked into it much as I just sort of assumed it was true. I don't really know why, as taking people's word for things and ignoring meta altogether is a terrible idea in Mafia, but nonetheless I mostly disregarded it. The revelation, though, that he does have recent scum meta, makes me feel very good about pushing for his lynch.
VOTE: Beeboy
That's L-2, if I'm correct, and I don't know enough about the other players in the game to say whether or not they're trigger happy. I'll look into it, but in the meantime I'd like to suggest that we keep him where he is until we hear from him.

Let's consider the possibilities.
1. Beeboy, seeing that he was being pushed closer to a lynch, shot out of desperation to try and kill a mason before he died.
2. Some unknown scum player shot on a hunch to try and frame Beeboy and make his lynch even more likely.
3. Beeboy's near-lynch and Kernel's death occurring at the same time was a coincidence.

Personally, I see possibility number 1 as the most likely. Trying to frame Beeboy would be extremely risky, as if the scum player died it'd likely take a lot of the pressure off of Beeboy as people realized that he'd probably been framed. I also don't really see how this could've been a coincidence, as any scum attempt to try and kill a mason while someone else was near to being lynched anyway only really makes sense if Beeboy is scum. Think about it - if another scum was the shooter, the only motivation they'd really have to not just wait for Beeboy's lynch is if Beeboy is not town-aligned.
VOTE: Beeboy

Nevermind about acroyn. Turns out I've found another scum for us while you guys bicker pointlessly (a town v town argument here, I now believe).

VOTE: insidious

Insidious has done nothing but post meta-comments. These two, in particular, are bad. In the first he's all but saying "hey wait up guys while my teammate can log on and kill someone," while trying to pretend he supports the wagon.

Then he comes back with this second quote, which reads overwrought on its own, but looks much worse in context. Everyone already was going to vote beeboy at that point--the timing of the mason kill was all but a confession. So this again looks like overcompensation.

[Lowell]

kirroha and jeannie, you're both (probably) town, come join me on this.

[Lowell]

I don't like the post. ^
And not because it's a vote for me, but because Jeanne has literally not interacted with me or said anything about me once and now has just jumped on the wagon after 2 votes. Feels like she's trying to draw attention away from herself.

Nah, Jeannie's cool. Her interaction with you isn't the point. She's been around plenty.

And by the way, I don't care about quick votes at this point. Honestly, I don't. IMO the game is already won. We need three town players--scum can't kill at night, so that's all it takes. I look around and I see about four or five. Even if you're one and I'm wrong (I doubt it), I don't really care.

[Lowell]

lol @ this game... didn't see that before I posted.

This could easily be a feint by someone trying to set up insidious, given the timing. But again, who cares.

VOTE: insidious

[Lowell]

One more shot, bud. Make it count.

[Lowell]

BTW, if this is a trick to set up insidious? *clap clap* well played, scum, gutsy move!

[Lowell]

Jeannie's town.... especially given that kirroha turned out to be town. A lot of people were sitting back and watching that happen, makes me quite sure it was town v town.

[Lowell]

Just my read. The discussion sort of died on a vine in a way that makes me think it was town v town.

Also, Hershey is my next scum read. Not much to go on, but I find her posts a bit pedantic and passive aggressive, like she's trying to stay above the fray but wants to plant the seed that others are suspicious. "Shade" is the word kids would use nowadays, I believe.

[Lowell]

haha DAMN, nice shots. No way someone bailed him out twice, right?

VOTE: insidious all out of shots, bud!

[Lowell]

was there some sort of terrible crumbing that these masons did or something? 4/6 shots on target!

[Lowell]

@cobalt-- you've got to be kidding. you think scum bussed THE ENTIRE TEAM for no reason? Without any daytalk? Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm actually just owning this game and I'm not about to stop now.

That said, I still don't think it's cobalt... but it easily could be with this shitshow of logic.

To me it's hershey or cobalt, no brainer. jeannie is clear town.

VOTE: hershey I want the perfect town record here. Never been in a game without a mislynch before.

[Lowell]

Cobalt is a mess. His argument is that there was a non-coordinated, THREE PERSON scumteam bus... so that scum could get to (if extremely lucky, and hits all the masons) a 1 v 5. Also, it's pretty damn obvious that kop died trying to kill me, so your argument is doubly horrible.

Again, let's kill hershey and end this. If not hershey, then probably cobalt.

[Lowell]

I'm crushing this game right now, gang, don't get me out of the zone with this gibberish.

[Lowell]

lane and acro, let's go, we need you.

[Lowell]

lane, hammer us to a win please, wtf cobalt is doing I don't know.

[Lowell]

Ugh. Yeah I guess acryon next. I should have stuck with my original "he's trying too hard to buddy mean and signal to his scumbuddies not to try to attack me" theory.

VOTE: acryon

[Lowell]

"mean" = "me and"

[Lowell]

Or maybe it is cobalt. If it's lane I will cry forever.... lane don't let it be you. Seriously.

[Lowell]

UNVOTE: acry

You know, back when I was killing it I said my townblock was me, lane, and jeannie. Then cobalt shows up and calls me and lane his top two suspects. Since the game is nightless the only way scum can win is by getting lynches of town players, so it's not like they can just kill them quietly. So maybe it is cobalt trying a last-minute desperation move here.

[Lowell]

I'm thinking cobalt, I guess, if not acryon.

My suspicions on acryon are that he sort of hitched his wagon to me early, in a way that could have signalled to partners not to shoot me (as explained earlier). I very very very much want to believe in his towniness, but it makes sense that in a nightless he'd try to find someone to buddy hard.

For cobalt the case is much more straightforward. I've been talking about a "town block" for awhile, and since it's nightless and there's only one scum left it would only take two confirmed town players to autowin the game. The only way to break that up would be to.... actively break that up, by casting suspicion on the two players most agreed to be town (me and lane).

[Lowell]

I'd like to hear lane and jeannie weigh in on that. Also, does anyone suspect jeannie?

[Lowell]

I like how unless I lead this nothing happens.

VOTE: cobalting

If it's not him it's acro

[Lowell]

I like how unless I lead this nothing happens.

VOTE: cobalting

If it's not him it's acro

We've got plenty of time. No need to rush into anything here. Cobalt needs to check in one way or the other and the mentions are already out there.

I'm not exactly worried about a quicklynch at this point. No one is here.

[Lowell]

Also in general I'm not sure why you're trying to slow things down so much. We still get four tries (out of six) to lynch the last scum. I agree, let's wait for people to show up, but let's not pretend we're in a state of emergency here.

[Lowell]

Okay then iso some people and figure it out. No one else is doing anything.

[Lowell]

Oh yeah there's only 5... I thought it was 6 left.

Well okay, 4 now. I'm feeling like this is a win, but let's wait and see.

[Lowell]

Boom

[Lowell]

I am delighted to see that while acro is a paranoid crazy person, he's at least good people. There were no more masons, chief.

Also can we talk about how much town crushed this game? If not for absurdly lucky scum shots on masons (4/6 hits!) this would have been even more of a romp than it was.

[Lowell]

4 dead scum in 13 pages, that's got to be a record.

I think all the scum were too trigger-happy. Kop and insidious, in particular, probably could have argued their way out of death rather than started shooting. Kop in particular screwed them, since he pretty much telegraphed that he was going to try to kill me.

@mod

- can you tell us who the failed shots were against?

[Lowell]

oh kop shot hershey. wow, well I got towncred for no reason then. wooo.

IL's shots were ridiculous (until he committed suicide by shooting when no masons were left for some reason). There was nothing in kirroha or d3f3nd's iso that would have made me think mason. well done.

[Lowell]

run it back???

[Lowell]

This is a hard format for the mafia, despite the 4/13 ratio. If a "townblock" with more or less legitimate cred starts forming (as it did), there's pretty much no way to stop it.

[Lowell]

I in no way noticed your townslip. In this case me being basically bad at the game was an advantage.

FWIW I was feeling really confident about jeannie and lane regardless. so I'm not sure how you would have argued your way much further (perhaps outlasting acro, I guess) anyway.