Open 624 Fire and Ice - Fire Mafia Wins

[Firebringer]

I still think the Aero slot is scum, btw.

Well I think your slot is scum!
So that!

[Firebringer]

So do I gotta read all this stuff? Apparently my slot has been filled by like 5 different people.
I am really really lazy guys.

I am just going for that White Knight scummy that doesn't exist anymore

[Firebringer]

btw aro is prob sucm too

Where you getting this stuff from?

[Firebringer]

Silverwolf is pinging me!
In places I don't like to be pinged.

[Firebringer]

I just woke up, and I am having one of those mornings.
Where I just want to destroy the world.

I can't afford a death machine, so I guess ill just play mafia.

Why is everyone scum reading Supereme Overlord?

[Firebringer]

His reasoning feels weak and forced, his voting patterns are opportunistic (especially the Shadow vote), his whole "has/hasn't mentioned" thing pings me wrong, and his case on ika for hammering after he himself put Shadow at L-1 is hypocritical.

Hammering and putting a person at L-1 are two different things...
How is that hypocritical?

[Firebringer]

Okay that sounds a bit silly.

[Firebringer]

ika-if you hammer for no reason I will be pissed

Its like you are daring him too.

[Firebringer]

Not really? Like, what said should do the opposite of that unless he's scum. If he wants to declare intent that's fine. I also think SO should just go ahead and claim at this point.

But Ika always hammers. Like 99.999999% of the time.
Can you point to a game he doesn't hammer someone at L-1.
This is regardless of alignment too btw. You know its a Null tell.

You have to assume L-2 is L-1 with Ika in game.

[Firebringer]

fire is a trolll and form my homesite, i know he prob didnt knwo about me/silver so im giving him a by FTM.

Rude.

[Firebringer]

hi fire, im goign to ignore the fact right now that you amde that comment to my GF and hope you didt mean anythign by that

She is my GF now!

[Firebringer]

I am here to chew bubblegum and lynch scum.
And I am all out of scum.

So give me some bubblegum.

But on the real Ika, its a joke.

[Firebringer]

real talk though

whats your read on her and why?

She seems to be trying too hard. Seems scummish.
Kind of reminds you two as anxiety attack when you were scum.

[Firebringer]

vote her then?

Is that how you play mafia?

[Firebringer]

Fire do you think silver is only tryhard as scum?

Pedit: dunno is it?

she was tryhard as town from a Aero game I remember several months ago.
But she had a very town tone in her posts I was picking up.

here she just seems to be trying to seem town with her posts, and thats what I am getting across. Like she wants to seem productive and townlike, but thats all she wants. The appearance.

[Firebringer]

Also, firebringer until recently, I've always been tryhard in games. I've decided recently it isn't work the effort. Again, though which posts look scummy to you?

Ill have to do a ISO, which I am not doing atm.
Though I promise I will read through, maybe I am wrong about you SW. But right now, my gut says bad wolf!

[Firebringer]

lol.
Nice job Ika.

[Firebringer]

lol I so knew something was up with Silverwolf.
That wasn't shocking

Now we just have 1 ice and 1 fire.
Easy game.

[Firebringer]

Aristophanes.
You had to pick a fire mafia, and Ice mafia right now.
Who is who?

[Firebringer]

Firebringer: Likely Unlikely

Why am I likely Ice?

[Firebringer]

Why do you think that Fire (who replaced Aero btw) is not likely to be fire mafia?
I don't understand how you can possibly put firebringer in the same category as Shinobi here.
You need to do some heavy explaining of these reads.

I swear its like you haven't even read any of my posts since my replace in.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Firebringer

This is last Fire, I'm nearly 100% sure.

Not even remotely close buddy.

[Firebringer]

I feel like masq and Snarky could be last two scum.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Firebringer
Probably ice, not sure what Viva was thinking, interactions with SO are terrible.
I'd also probably be ok lynching masq or snarky.

You are scum reading all three players?
Okay...

[Firebringer]

That's okay. They're probably the last Fire goon anyway.

Why do you think SS is fire goon anyways?

[Firebringer]

I think SW/Aeronaut's interactions were awful and that's the main reason I'm on FB.

lol really?

[Firebringer]

@Viva: I kind of see what you mean, but after Fire replaced in he did scumread and interact with SW, whereas he soft defended SO and dropped it when his wagon became serious.

See at least this makes sense.
You telling me my interactions with Silverwolf paint me as scum is laughable.

[Firebringer]

So the Silverwolf kill was likely a deliberate attempt to cross kill, since she didn't have any clear scumreads besides Shinobi / Fire, which means that last Ice is probably someone who was scumreading her.
(And Shinobi/Fire fit in that category as well.)
I'm going to go through some ISOs.

Right now I really don't think its Shinobi, and I know its not me.
So yeah.... this is pretty bad.

[Firebringer]

Hi, I'm back.
Aristo and Viva are likely town. Both are honestly scumhunting and are not just hunting one scum, either.
Shinobi I still don't like but his interactions with SO and SW were very likely not scum-scum, so I do think he's town.
Snarky's near impossible to read, on purpose I think, so he very well could be scum. (Fire, given his stance on SO.)
Masq is mild town, as he is doing some real scumhunting, but I could see him being Fire, as he is only hunting Ice.
Firebringer is probably Ice, given his lack of good interaction with SO and his general defensiveness.

Defensiveness is now a scum trait?
Good to know.

[Firebringer]

I am finding a real hard time getting in this game but I think Viva, Shinobi, and Aristo pretty strong town.

[Firebringer]

Oh, and that 'new' most-least ice list is basically {3 people who didn't vote SO}{3 people who did, with me as most scummy of them}

So extremely fabricated.

Don't agree with this.

[Firebringer]

~Most Ice~
Masq
Shinobi
Firebringer
VLG
Aristo
Something Smart
~Least Ice~

Was what I meant - my b.

VLG is still definitely scum though.

I don't think Shinobi is likely ice imo.
Masq possibly but not sure.

[Firebringer]

You're 110% scum though.

Definitely don't agree with this.

[Firebringer]

Why do you believe that any more thought when into Snarky's reads than he's posted?
His reads don't jive whatsoever and the Ice list is indeed the 3 people who didn't vote -> 3 who did.
Do you think having me as most likely of the SO voters to be scum makes any sense whatsoever?
I don't think I make a ton of sense as Fire either but given that it's not as smoking gun obvious I'm not even going to address that.

It makes sense in a way, but I don't think its wrong to think in those terms.
I don't know If I myself am making sense right now, I have null on snarky, and most games I have been in with him I have read him as such and lynched him because he was null and I think he was town.

Anyways, I would prefer Masq lynch over anyone else today.
I don't trust her

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Snarky Snowman[/vote]

RC is king.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Snarky Snowman
I can't vote cause I am bad.

[Firebringer]

UNVOTE:

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Masquerade

GET HER!

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Masquerade

GET HER!

Kill this with fire, which will be particularly effective in this case

I am the firebringer tho, you can't fight fire with fire.

Firemen know this!

[Firebringer]

Firebringer, you never trust me. What is it exactly that you're scumreading me for

this

game?

Because the times I have trusted you, you were scum!
Or I was scum.

[Firebringer]

Okay I kinda like Firebringer as scum now.

Okay?

[Firebringer]

Just an FYI that I'm never joining you in your crusade to do the strangest thing ever and will continue to vote firebringer.

Why me? Seriously this all relies my interactions with Silverwolf.
If you think I as scum would enter this game and immediately call my teammate scummy then none of you know me.

[Firebringer]

but I have more evidence that points to Firebringer being ice over fire.
Oh well, I guess he's scum either way does it really matter?

I am not ice i am not fire.
If you are town, than you aren't reading properly.

But I highly doubt it, I am pretty sure you are scum.

[Firebringer]

Ok so you not trusting me means we're both town then, right?

Anyway, you didn't answer my question there. What are you scumreading me for? What did I do here that makes you not trust me? If it's just because I can fool you as scum you should try harder to sort me.

I have the weakest reasons, but this seems like your scum meta to me. Especially with the push on me while trying to get me to see you as town.

Why? If you truly thought I was scum, you wouldn't bother trying to convince me you were town. Whats the point?

[Firebringer]

Nah I'm voting you because your slot is scummy outside of interactions.

Okay cool.

[Firebringer]

Just dont' want you voting me for the wrong reasons mate.

[Firebringer]

I honestly only think you haven't hammered me is because you need me to help you thin out more numbers, but your assumption is wrong, since I am town.

Assuming I am Ice:
6 players left, you kill 1 And theres 5 left. Not even MYLO, Say you somehow survived that, and you get them to mislynch, 3 the next day.
Its very unlikely you don't get lynched on that final day.

But anyways, I am not ice. So you are better off hammering me Masq.

[Firebringer]

So...It's okay that I'm voting you or something?

Of course its okay that your voting me.
I just wanted to make sure you did it for the right reasons.

[Firebringer]

That's very FB.

Some people get me.

[Firebringer]

Bah I can't make my mind up on Firebringer. Starting to lean town on him again. I retract my intent to hammer for now. Will look into things again tonight when I get home.

Are you not sure that I am scum anymore? Cause that is true. I am not.

[Firebringer]

Viva, if I were Fire why would I be trying to lynch Ice, when it would then be 4:1, rather than trying to nightkill them, leading to 3:1? Compare my push on Firebringer to Masquerade, who appears to be scumreading him but won't admit it, because they don't want to lynch Ice, and tell me how Masq is town here.

This is actually some really good points.

[Firebringer]

Unless you of course go with opposite, that you really think I am town and pushing me because you believe it will be a mislynch.

[Firebringer]

Viva, how do I know I can trust you?

[Firebringer]

That story checks out.

[Firebringer]

What was towny about fire's posting?

Nothing!

[Firebringer]

I really think Masq is fire over SS, I am not completely sure about Ice right now.

[Firebringer]

Just noticed our timeline. We have intent, right?

I don't believe we have an intent, but if you are already voting.

I really think we should go with Masq.

[Firebringer]

Masq retracted intent. Masq, if you don't hammer, you're almost confirmed Fire.

Aristo, I agree with you being towny and this feels like a town mindset. I think Masq is scumreading you to avoid lynching Firebringer.

This doesn't make sense,.....So because aristo is scum masq doesn't want to lynch me? What?

[Firebringer]

Or you could be nice and protown and hammer yourself

Pedit: No, I think Masq's Aristo scumread is phony.

The protown move is in no way to self hammer yourself as town.
Are you high?

[Firebringer]

I'm insulted
You're not town so self-hammering is protown. Of course it's also against your wincon but whatever.

No.

And you are getting scummier by the post now.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Something Smart
Ehh I might be wrong, don't care at this point.

[Firebringer]

Because if you're not lynched you'll be nightkilled, so you'll lose regardless?
...or did you want to invent a reason town!you would say that?

This is absolutely scum. Masquerade, please hammer.

Now you are flailing.

[Firebringer]

I so called this counterwagon XD

GOod job?

[Firebringer]

*pats back on aristo*

[Firebringer]

I still don't get why people are laying off of FB.
Did I miss a memo or something?

I don't get it either mate.
Besides my role pm, nothing else proves I am town.

[Firebringer]

This is so weird so many people defending me at L-1, this never happens. Maybe one player says I am town, but 3?

I didn't know people knew how to read me...

[Firebringer]

I just want to lynch Something smart and call it a day.

[Firebringer]

I haven't paid a lick of attention to any of the associative nonsense going on atm.
I think Fire is mafia but that's the most solid read I have atm.

too bad your most solid read is wrong ;(

[Firebringer]

I should do a ISO of everyoen to figure this out.
Ill be back tomorrow with a least one player looked at.

[Firebringer]

dot dot dot

Yeah well.....
I didn't do it cause I am lazy.

SUE ME!

[Firebringer]

Then un-lazy yourself and do it.

Wheres your latest ISO!?!?!?!?

[Firebringer]

Lynching you would be optimal if I were scum because I'm fairly sure you're town now and regardless of which scum faction I would be on the other scum would be highly unlikely to shoot me.
I would have no difficulty reviving my Firebringer!Fire theory and creating false justification for it to lynch you if that's what I wanted to do without anyone batting an eyelash.
Help me lynch scum and you won't have to worry about my alignment. easy!

I went back through the ISO of VIva and read this. Now it seems like normal RC kind of just being arrogant but it actually makes me think he says this stuff for people to also town read him.

Not to mention he did switch his reads up, and I think he thought it would be easier to manipulate me. With what we have...I am not crossing him off scum list yet.

[Firebringer]

Viva- Fire
Fire- probably Ice
Aristo- probably town, possibly Ice
Shinobi- likely town, maaaaybe Ice

I don't know how much I trust this.
Since you were considered a likely scum possibility.

Also, a no lynch might be best at this moment.

[Firebringer]

Day 4, Vountcount 2

Viva La Gloria (1):

Something_Smart

Something_Smart (1):

Viva La Gloria

Not Voting (3):

Firebringer, Aristophanes, Shinobi

With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch or to no lynch.

Deadline

: Monday, March 14, 2016 9:00 am (Texas time)

Countdown to deadline

: (expired on 2016-03-14 09:00:00)

5 left. If we no lynch. Worst case two town die thats 1v1v1. You no lynch there and hopefully scum take each other out and its game.

5 left. We lynch. We mislynched a town. We both scum hit players. Worst case its Scum v Scum tie.

5 left. We lynch. Flips scum. Tomorrow its 2v1. Worst case we mislynch then and we lose.

I kinda feel better with a no lynch. Scum are more incentive's to hit the other I think.

[Firebringer]

5 left. If we no lynch. Worst case two town die thats 1v1v1. You no lynch there and hopefully scum take each other out and its game.

I want to go with game theory here for a minute:
So we go in the best interest of all parties in a 1v1v1 its in best interest for both scums to hit each other rather than the town. Hitting the town with the other scum alive results in a tie. No hitting will result in them losing for sure or at worst tieing.

So only results are a scum lose (tie) or town win.

[Firebringer]

Lynching right now is bad. We are essentially in MYLO from what I have gathered.

[Firebringer]

We can add "suggesting horribly antitown plans" to the list of things that I hate about FB.

Explain how my plan is awful.
If we mislynch right now we essentially lose.

Even if we lynch right, we are LYLO tomorrow.
We have better luck from where I stand for scum to hit each other than town getting a right lynch. Especially when you consider me your strongest scum read.

[Firebringer]

Because nolynching ensures that we have no chance of hitting scum and gives us no control over the gamestate?

Who gives a shit about control over the gamestate, I have just told you its in scums best interest to hit each other right now at night.

If they don't, they will be in a 1v1v1 in which case town will not vote and then they 100% have to hit each other or lose/tie.

[Firebringer]

That's assuming they shoot each other, and there's a variety of things wrong with that line of thinking.
The worst case scenario is that one team hasn't figured out the other and we just flat-out lose by nolynching.

Is this really all you have to bring to the table after doing nothing all this time?

Can you explain their incentive to shoot town right now? Explain it.
Lets say for instance they decide, I am not going to try to shoot scum tonight.

Then they are BOTH in a LYLO tomorrow.

Or lets imagine one of them hits scum one hits town. Then its 2v1 and we have the power to end it tomorrow in LYLO.

WHY SHOULD WE LYNCH TODAY?
Since clearly no one knows what they are doing.

[Firebringer]

That's assuming they shoot each other, and there's a variety of things wrong with that line of thinking.
The worst case scenario is that one team hasn't figured out the other and we just flat-out lose by nolynching.

Is this really all you have to bring to the table after doing nothing all this time?

Can you explain their incentive to shoot town right now? Explain it.
Lets say for instance they decide, I am not going to try to shoot scum tonight.

Then they are BOTH stuck tomorrow with a 1v1v1

Or lets imagine one of them hits scum one hits town. Then its 2v1 and we have the power to end it tomorrow in LYLO.

WHY SHOULD WE LYNCH TODAY?
Since clearly no one knows what they are doing.

Correction.

[Firebringer]

FB, plan aside - who is scum?
What's the likely outcome of us nolynching, IE who's going to be left and who would you be going after if you weren't shot?

PEdit - yeah, I realized what you were saying after the fact.

I honestly thinking Aristo and Viva right now. But I am not 100% sure. Which is another reason for me not wanting to lynch. If I am wrong, its game over for town now.

[Firebringer]

Actually Fire might be scum.

I'm not sure which slot he'd take.

lol good luck with this RC.
Its in your best interest to push a lynch agenda

[Firebringer]

This is the lamest 5p lylo ever.

Its not LYLO tho. Its MYLO.

[Firebringer]

Yeah I am not voting, especially when everyone thinks I am a scum. lol. Shows me they are either scum or just wrong so following them. Not the best idea.

[Firebringer]

Ari is feeling more and more like apathetic scum who can't bring anything new to the discussion. But so is Firebringer... in particular this post. You must have some reads, why don't you vote on them?
I'm not following Ari's reads progression either. What makes Viva town? What do you think of my case?

I have explained why I don't want to vote, are you seriously going to ignore my whole argument of why we should no lynch? Seriously.

[Firebringer]

He already commented on it.

He says "you must have reads" I have expressed reads. Then he wonders why I don't vote on them? When I clearly expressed that I said we should no lynch. What part of No lynch goes with voting players?

[Firebringer]

VOTE: No Lynch
Like I said several times. Aristo gets it, Shinobi gets it.
SS, might be scum just because he wants to lynch so bad.

[Firebringer]

For some reason I didn't think a vote skip did anything.
Last open I finished I think the host put in a rule where you explicitly couldn't do it.

[Firebringer]

I told you guys, no lynch.
Vote it and lets see what happens.

[Firebringer]

No, vote No Lynch or you are claiming scum.

[Firebringer]

lol Viva thinks its me.
Thats cute.

[Firebringer]

I am about 90% sure Viva is last scum for a few reasons.
First of I went through ISO of Silverwolf.

Did a quick Ctrl+F, used both Shinobi and Viva to see mentions:

1 Mention Vivia
44 Mentions Shinobi.

If Shinobi were scum, why was Silverwolf bussing so much in here? It seems she didn't mention Viva to keep distance.

Also RC is alive in LYLO, another scum tell for you.

[Firebringer]

I don't really think this is enough tbh.
Is this all you've got?

yep

[Firebringer]

Naah you were just going for a tie Viva.
Don't lie.

[Firebringer]

Then why don't you vote me nub?
Cause you want to quick hammer?

[Firebringer]

Because I've seen you mislynched enough for being a lazy fuck and being town?
Including in a few games where I was scum?
Seriously. Whatever alignment you are you owe this game more effort.

You think you can convince me to vote with you if you insult me enough? Not going to work. I am 100% going to hammer you if Shinobi votes you.

The only reason I haven't voted you, is because I have fucked up a lot in LYLO and I thought I would give Shinobi the opportunity to fuck this one up instead.

[Firebringer]

LOL

Radiant, you have called me town and scum several times this game. You haven't taken hard stances on any shit that you won't flip on a dime to get someone to sheep you.

Your scum. I can't find any posts in Shinobi ISO that says he is scum.

[Firebringer]

I was pretty fucking hard on SO because I was sure he was scum.
I haven't been nearly as sure about any of my reads until I figured out that SS was Ice. And was pretty fucking hard on that.
I was uninvested and couldn't figure out who the scum was. That's just how the game works.
Tell me, why would I have killed Aristophanes last night when I was the ONLY person here who didn't think he was Ice?

I am supposed to explain kills to you?
Kills are all WIFOM. I am not going to go into the whole "WHY DID X DIE HUH".

[Firebringer]

Last night was obvious cross kill attempt night.
Both you and Shinobi thought Aristo was Ice. I didn't. Aristo was shot by fire.
It doesn't take a fucking genius to realize that I'm town here dude.

It was cross kill attempt or attempt to make the game a draw.
Aristo kill means they were trying to kill Ice.

Doesn't mean you didn't secretly think Aristo was Ice and went for the kill.

Everyone has been calling me most likely Ice for days, now that makes me town, right? No, its fucking circular logic.

[Firebringer]

so

1) I would never attempt to force a draw. There's literally no reason for me to have done so.
2) secretly thought Aristo was Ice? lol.
If I did why did I put him down as Fire, making him likely to shoot me for his safety, while not even pushing for his lynch to get rid of his shot.
I only had SS voted for the entire second half of the day. That doesn't even start to make sense.
3) No, what the fuck? These things aren't even fucking comparable.

1) To deny town a win. Yes there is a reason. Just not optimal.
2) So your saying a scum would be honest with their reads? Because scum are 100% honest in the day chat about their scum reads.
3) No clue what your talking about.

[Firebringer]

Kind of like how you were the previous day cycle?

[Firebringer]

You mean the day that I couldn't get a single one of you idiots to actually vote scum and where if SS hadn't self targeted like an idiot we'd have lost this because he'd have probably shot me?

Fuck off. I called scum and was ignored and lost interest. There's a huge difference between that and Shinobi asking completely pointless questions and not getting at all involved between us.

Thats not true and you know it dipshit.

Voting in a MYLO is not a good idea when we could have easily mislynched and you know it.

[Firebringer]

Going to be honest Shinobi, if you put Viva at L-1, I would immediately hammer. I am that positive its him over you.

[Firebringer]

in fact fuck it.

VOTE: Shinobi

if I'm losing this I'm voting scum.

This is me not voting.
CONFIRMED TOWN

[Firebringer]

No, Firebringer is the one acting like an angry fucking baby.

If you win this you do not deserve this fucking win at all Shin. I had you pinned on the first page.

So much bullshit in this post, I swear.

[Firebringer]

I am going to be honest with you. I thought I was getting lynched 100%.
I just didn't want to be the one to fuck this game up.

[Firebringer]

lol, RC going with the "I have a perfect scum game dude" the whole bragging shit he does as scum too.
Nice touch.

[Firebringer]

Fire, if you're town here I'm fucking done with you.

Cute, keep it up. I crave your toxicity. I eat it for breakfast.

[Firebringer]

I enjoy RC, but he is almost surely scum.
He can go on in post game if he is town in post game about how much I suck, but he has been flip flopping on a lot of his reads and most of his shit doesn't make sense. I have been reading Shinobi as town this whole game. I can't imagine he has been fire this whole game. He has played an excellent scum game if he is.

[Firebringer]

I want RC to come in here and keep it up with his dickish attitude cause it amuses me.

[Firebringer]

Shinobi, who would you have killed last night if you were fire?
Same to you Viva.

[Firebringer]

I don't need more to go on in post game about.
If I wanted to write a book about you playing crappy as town I wouldn't be able to find a publisher it'd be so long.
Like literally; how the fuck can you think Shin is town with his play today?

I was reading him as town way before this.

[Firebringer]

I would have killed SS who I was pretty fucking sure was Ice.
Who do you think Shinobi would have killed? Hint: read his ISO yesterday.

Really? Because you said play to do was self target earlier this day, did you not?

[Firebringer]

Last night was obvious cross kill attempt night.
Both you and Shinobi thought Aristo was Ice. I didn't. Aristo was shot by fire.
It doesn't take a fucking genius to realize that I'm town here dude.

hmmm....
I guess I just extrapolated this from this I guess

[Firebringer]

WHY DO YOU THINK THAT SHINOBI IS TOWN.

Why the fuck are you town?

[Firebringer]

Silverwolf: null - I have no idea where to start here. I flip my read on her every 10 minutes. I'm fully aware my bias against people who tunnel me could be coloring my read but I genuinely have no idea.

This doesn't sound like something you say about your scum teammate.

[Firebringer]

...it doesn't?
waffling is towny now?

It sounds honest.

[Firebringer]

like there's no arguments that I can make when I know full well that my scum game is virtually indistinguishable from my town game, and the day 1 play from silverwolf thing is pretty relevant.

Then why are you obvious town?
All you have been doing is insulting my play and abilities to play this game and done flailing over last two pages.

You have made me want to hammer you more and more.

[Firebringer]

do you think that what we're doing now is fun for me?

I don't know, I just think you are such a dick sometimes that you don't care.
And I can't towered you for just being a dick cause you are just as likely to do it as scum.

[Firebringer]

your case on Shinobi town is entirely unfalsifiable. you're describing scummy waffling as honest.
like Shinobi is an obvious scumfuck and you should lynch him for that. not because of anythign to do with reading me.

He wasn't obvious for you until just two pages ago, before then you were calling me scum shit. And at day start you were trying to gauge Shinobi opinion on who he thought was scum to see who you could mislynch.

Honestly, I don't know why you voted him to be honest. You would have had way better shot if you voted me.

[Firebringer]

Wait....
Are you town?

No.......

[Firebringer]

I want to go back to old fire. Who would yolo at LYLO.
Being this indecisive is literally killing me.

And I said a few pages ago I would instant hammer you

[Firebringer]

Again - if you have some sort of issue with me I'm perfectly happy to talk to you about it.

Now see, this seems like a scum post.

[Firebringer]

I don't know, its that calm attitude your displaying. Lately all scum do it in LYLO. Like "Lets be calm in civil, we can talk it out"
Kind of reminds me of LOTH II where Vyse president was very calm when it 1 vote on each person, and Elbirn seemed more jumpy and he was town.

[Firebringer]

I am going to go look into something on Silverwolf meta. I want to see how she normally acts around teammates day 1. That will help me seal the deal.

[Firebringer]

Heres the thing, I looked at SW games. And it was kinda of non conclusive. She has bussed and defended her teammates Day 1. But in the games I found she did mention them a few times at least, and gave thoughts on them. She gave 0 thoughts on Shinobi. Meta wise that would say Shinobi is ally and she was distancing..

[Firebringer]

Heres the thing, I looked at SW games. And it was kinda of non conclusive. She has bussed and defended her teammates Day 1. But in the games I found she did mention them a few times at least, and gave thoughts on them. She gave 0 thoughts on Shinobi. Meta wise that would say Shinobi is ally and she was distancing..

I mean she gave 0 thoughts on Viva.
She was pushing Shinobi Day 1 here.

[Firebringer]

Firebringer, read my meta.

Find a game where my partners aren't frequently engaging with me.

Your meta is shit.
I am not going into that, if I was going into your meta I would still hammer you right now.

[Firebringer]

You make some good arguments. At least your good of convincing me.
I need to vote soon or I am going to just lose the nerve.

Final words Viva?

[Firebringer]

Final thoughts Shinobi?

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Shinobi

Sorry to everyone and especially Shinobi if I just fucked everything up.
GG to all.

I feel like shit and I am about to puke because of all the pressure that a game just put me in. I am not kidding, I feel like utter shit.

[Firebringer]

I am going to go throw up now.

[Firebringer]

I fuck it up again.
I threw up.

And now I never want to play again.

[Firebringer]

I am sorry Shinobi, I towered you all game. And then for me to do this.
Its really not forgivable for me.

I should see through RCs tricks better.
I wanted to hammer him, especially given everything.

[Firebringer]

To those who are watching in the dead thread. I apologize too.

I am just done.
My psyche can't handle mafia anymore.
RC broke me.

[Firebringer]

No, Firebringer is the one acting like an angry fucking baby.

If you win this you do not deserve this fucking win at all Shin. I had you pinned on the first page.

You know I actually want to vote Shinobi here but that doesn't look like it's going to happen.

Fire, if you're town here I'm fucking done with you.

Like, so completely fed up.

I lynched your scumread who I was townreading, they fucking flipped town, and you promised to lynch my scumread then fucking didn't, afked and lurksacked the next day till you got lynched and town lost. and this is after you had the fucking balls to complain that I was too selfish to lynch someone someone else wanted the DAY AFTER I LYNCHED LANE BECAUSE YOU WANTED HIM LYNCHED.
then you ruined lylo with your awful quickvote in the game that I modded.
why don't you die? why the fuck would anyone kill you when you lose every game you're town in.

If you're going to be an idiot then I'm going to vote yon and if you're town you can explain to everyone why you pushed someone who even a fucking 5 year old could deduce was town here.
like I guarantee you I will find a fucking kindergarten classroom and ask the kids who the one person they think is town this game and 100 fucking percent of them will say it's me.

Shinobi has been sidelining this entire discussion the absolute fucking hardest, his 'new points' are basically entirely a rehash of stuff that was already said on day one and are entirely pointless. like no shit you were scum that game but that doesn't change the fact that IN MOST GAMES you rvsed and you didn't in this one and acted like the concept was stupid. And now that you know it's me you should know full fucking well why I chose that game instead of looking for one where you were town.

like that 'tempting' coming after he was pushing in the direction of voting Fire looks to me like he realizes that I won't be fooled and is just looking for the quick win.
Why don't you see it?

As for the 'I lied about my reads thing', why the fuck did I put him as a clear scumread then push someone else?
If I thought he was Ice why wouldn't I have just fucking lynched him and pushed the lynch on SS who was widely scumread anyway?
Your read on me is awful and I'm

Unless you're just scum but I seriously doubt that at this point.

Fire, if you're town here I'm fucking done with you.

No, Firebringer is the one acting like an angry fucking baby.

Just some of the posts, that I am just upset over.

[Firebringer]

This is the fifth time Firebringer's voted a player in lylo who should not have been lynched and led to a scum quickhammer.

I feel like shit and want to quit the game, and you can't even get your facts straight.

Like, I want to completely quit mafia.
Go fuck yourself.

[Firebringer]

scum didn't quick hammer here.
I hammered.

[Firebringer]

I don't need any sympathy shit.
So don't give it to me.