Open 634: Sharing is Caring (Game Over)

[drmyshottyizsik]

vote: kt

Please include the colon or use vote tags, I'm using the votecounter.

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Such a vi

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VOTE: shotty

calling me a VI implies that you know I am town........ can you explain how you know that?

I said VI not TI. Scum live in the village too. Also believe it or not you don't become any less of an idiot just because you are scum.

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VOTE: shotty

calling me a VI implies that you know I am town........ can you explain how you know that?

I said VI not TI. Scum live in the village too. Also believe it or not you don't become any less of an idiot just because you are scum.

Village Idiot is often used as a reference to town but *shrug*

I just realised texcat is in this game, so many people I haven't played with since I stopped being generally awful.

Dude I was THE VI trust me on this one.

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VOTE: drmyshottyizsik

VOTE: shotty

calling me a VI implies that you know I am town........ can you explain how you know that?

I said VI not TI. Scum live in the village too. Also believe it or not you don't become any less of an idiot just because you are scum.

VI is basically synonymous with bad town. This looks terrible.

You are reading way to far into this. You can't vote someone and say because I think they are an idot, that breaks the personal insult rule.

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I would like to say that I'm not calling you shorty shotty but that's my phone being a stereotypical phone.

That's fine, and I'm a he btw for those that asked.

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I'm so confused right now and feel like I really should be voting BW for the above.

Voting when confused is not something I would recommend. I'd prefer you vote when you understand what's going on.

Coaching your partner or protecting them here? Advice like this is almost always given by scum

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VOTE: Kuroi

I'm going to look away and when I look back, something that is naked will be a little less naked.

I'm so confused right now and feel like I really should be voting BW for the above.

Voting when confused is not something I would recommend. I'd prefer you vote when you understand what's going on.

Coaching your partner or protecting them here? Advice like this is almost always given by scum

Wgeurts' vote weighs as much as mine. Call it coaching if you like, but I'd rather people know why they're voting.

why warn scum though, why not continue to let them slip up?

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why warn scum though, why not continue to let them slip up?

Who said anything about scum? I'm town-reading him. Plus, this is day phase. Do you think he's going to accidentally forget his scum buddies if he's scum?

I thought I posted my reads earlier but apparently not :/
Leaning scum on Shotty, Kurio, Blacle
Leaning town on Anen, Alex, Tex
Haven't read enough of others yet

I see a Kuroi vote. Wagon time
VOTE: Kuroi

Wonderful. Which votes of mine do you not like? Why do you think I'm scum?

Preview Edit-Aneninen: Sure. I have two scum games on MS:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=65032 - A Song of Ice And Fire Mafia
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=65526 - Pokemon Episode 2 Mafia

You still don't know he is town and there is no reaspn to coach town like that. You want people to keep talking about why they think scummy things. You only hint for someone to real in the crazies in mafia when you and they are scum.

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SHOTTY IS SCUM!!!!!!!!!!!!

I thought we had gotten past the yelling kt, you had like 3 solids posts come on! This is why I'm voting you. You are using your VIness as an excuse. See I call you a VI and now everyone is making an argument that VIs must be town, way off topic of what I was saying, which means now all you have to do is play the VI card and everyone will just say of he's just a VI. Trust me I invented that trick. You arr scum.

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You do know KT is rather young?

I could assume he was probably 14 or 15, but why are you defending him?

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I like Clumsy's wall actually. I tend to townread walls too much but that one felt genuine.
On the contrary, really don't like Blacle's Anen vote. Liking Anen's post so far, and his reasoning for the vote is "I made myself look scummy to see if scum would go for me." Like wtf, if you're being scummy on purpose then obviously people will scumread you for it.

The point of that is to seperate those you scum read you and those who acted opportunistic.

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Quickthoughts.

Wgeurts. Most posts about theoretical stuffs instead of scumhunting.

I'm certainly willing to give him some time, but it's worth a raised eyebrow.

why warn scum though, why not continue to let them slip up?

Who said anything about scum? I'm town-reading him. Plus, this is day phase. Do you think he's going to accidentally forget his scum buddies if he's scum?

You still don't know he is town and there is no reaspn to coach town like that. You want people to keep talking about why they think scummy things. You only hint for someone to real in the crazies in mafia when you and they are scum.

It seems to me that Wgeurts spent quite a few posts earlier coaching people about various things. Why did you suddenly decide to call out Kuroi for coaching?

Because no one else did and I noticed it. I wasn't the first to see the Wgeurts point and I didn't make any objection. I tend to sit back and poke and build a sociologic profile of the game in my head. Everyone in here is a part to a machine. I usually profile on the more subtle aspects of their play. The underlying motivation rather than the face value of the post if you will.

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To me this looks a newer player attempting to look insanely town and catching scum with some whizz-never-heard-of-before methods but is just entangling himself in his own narration.

It deffinetly been done before. However I'd like to focus on this post of yours. Where is your motivation for this post it seems like filler and an attempt to look useful.

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Ive been catching up sorry weekends are often taken by family time. I don`t like bw but I want to re read this. I think a claim is in order though.

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I'm not a vig but I'm not sure I would cc if I were, however we can't lynch him. But I will say the if he is scum and fake claiming and the reall vig is just hiding jailkeeping him would stop the real vig from taking him out and it will also stop a cop investigating him. Again I don't think we can lynch him today, but the vig claim and the way he asked for the night to go would be a very good scum fake claim, we need to remember that in the following days.

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I'm not a vig but I'm not sure I would cc if I were

Why the fuck not? It's a guaranteed scum kill.

I'd have voted snarky regardless, I didn't believe a word he said today. The only thing scum could have gained today is a claim, assuming SS is scum, and we just handed it to him and open Pandora's WIFOM Box.

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disregard that, wrong fucking game sorry

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I'm not a vig but I'm not sure I would cc if I were

Why the fuck not? It's a guaranteed scum kill.

Because he could just shoot the mafia in the night, and he could still stay silent, plus that gives us an opportunity to catch a new scum today and maybe have 2 dead scum d2 with no claimed town prs.

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Anen, I'm not really liking how much talking you're doing about PR actions. Talking about it too much at this point helps scum a lot. By saying this, you're setting up the Mafia Framer to land a hit. You're repeatedly trying to lead bad plays here. FOS.

VOTE: anen couldn't have said it better

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Wgeurts who are your other scumreads?
Why is Shotty being allowed to coast like this?

I'm not coasting, seriously though what is you problem with me?

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Your posts are contributing very little. You were sitting on your RVS vote until this morning, like seriously.

This game is moving slowly, and until then I had no reason to change my vote.

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if he doesn't start pushing people and providing explanations for his actions soon I may consider pushing him.

oooh and ultimatum, however I've been busy with work and my wife being 9 months pregnant, I will do my best to get a wall post up today

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VOTE: drmyshottyizsik

This is not a omgus vote this is a vote for opportunism. I have re read and am working on a wall post, but for now I feel fine with this vote.
VOTE: persivul

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WTF is it with this game and people announcing wall posts?

Been doing it for 7 years

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Alexcellent:

Spoiler:

There is not much in the beginning from him. The first 7 posts can be summated to "Oh L-3's not a big deal".
The a I'll catch up post, then a prodge, then a I'll catch up post.

Then this:

UNVOTE: Blacle

I'm not a vig. I think it's just Masquerade that we're waiting on now to see if there's a CC?

I just want to point out that all of us are confirmed town to scum. They actually don't want to have their kills directed by town. They would much rather prefer to kill who will best advance their scum!plot. In a way losing a confirmed town early on at least makes scum behave in a more predictable manner at night one time. They are aware of this as well and it will naturally raise their scum paranoia and could lead to a slip. So in the end not JKing me is always the best option for town to take at this point.

More votes on Wgeurts please.

I really disagree here. Provided there's no CC, you have both a PR and are confirmed town, which makes you a major threat to scum. Going into D2 with a confirmed townie still alive is pretty good for town/bad for scum.

This feels off, but I see both sides. On one hand if you don't JK the vig you have a chance of JKing scum and also a chance of vigging scum. On the other if you do JK the vig you may absorb the kill , the problem I have with this post and the following conversation is that it feels like some are trying to direct what happens, and truly we need to keep that as quiet and uncertain as possible. The only people who benefit from know what town is going to do is the scum.

Then he posted some more nothing and then unvoted..

SUMMARY: Waste of a player slot, scummy when he is here, but not enough to confirm. Leaning scum

Aneninen:

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He started out with empty posts, and threw in some empty and baseless reads.
Then in his sixth post(post 138) he votes for blackworks for the reason of

Terrible start, cheeky-appeasing gamestyle, some speculation, sheeping vote and WTFs like his 124. Probably scum.

He votes bw for no reason other than not liking his playstyle and for a post that bw saying he doesn't like some posts.
This is the worst vote I think I've ever seen.

Then he goes on with empty posts and complains about not having meta for everyone and then calls Clumsy town for one post(post 148).

He then mobiles posts and apologizes, and goes away for a while until the JK talk came up, and then he jumps in, become active, and tries to direct actions. This is scum. Through and through scum action. Town gains nothing from directing like this.

Then he goes back to a mobile post and an apology, and then this.

Welcome.
Let me post something both terrible and useless.

This is happening so.

Seriously!

SUMMARY: Would be a waste of a player slot if he wasn't such easy to read scum.

BW:

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I've read BWs ISO three times no and I just can't put anything together. I think he is just newbie town. I really have no read on him so quoting him a bunch to say that would be a waste of all of our time, but given the circumstances I believe the claim.

SUMMARY: Vig

Clumsy:

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Clumsy has been fairly distant, I know he had problems so I'm going to reserve my thoughts on him until he posts more and I can develop some. However off of gut I think he seems scummy.

SUMMARY: Not enough, but leaning sucm

KT:

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He has 12 1 or 2 line posts all of which have too many caps and !!!!!!!!!, I think he is an awful player, but I will wait for a replacement for real reads.

SUMMARY: 12 Posts and he is KT, let's get a replacement.

Kurio:

Spoiler:

I feel similarly about posting a bunch of quotes from Kurio as I do BW, except for instead of null newbie I get a strong town vibe. Not for any super town post(because those are typically scum trying to look town), but rather for the lack of anything scummy he's done.

SUMMARY: Town vibes

Masq:

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Again we have another wasted player spot. 16 posts of nothing. I feel like he is trying town for posts 347 and 169, but it is a very weak and substance less gut feeling mainly

SUMMARY: Awful, but town?

Max:

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Not a whole lot here but I get bad vibes from Max

Should we discuss how our town PRs are going to handle their X shots?

ok.
how do you think we should handle them?

This is awful, again anytime a direction of shots is being made it is scummy or stupid or a god complex.

Right now I have a very extremely weak null scum read on Maixmous, Kuroi, and Percival, and Kain Tepes. Each one of these slorts have attempted to push weak cases that no one else is being opportunist about at all.

Well, somebody has to do something to get the game going. We can't wait around for scum to offer themselves on a silver platter.
I know you said you're fairly new to this so I'll cut you slack here.

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Kuroi if you're town please reread texcats post and take a really good look. That was not a scum over the top defense. Also defending ones self is once again also not a scum tell. It's going "over the top" in your defense displaying over-confidence and/or paranoia that is scummy.

I don't agree at all - Texcat

a) had a passive-aggressive dig at Kuroi

b) what does Alexcelent being indifferent to the wagon have to do with anything?

unvote,

VOTE: Texcat

This is bad too. The vote almost blind sides you. He had no real good reason, he just used the post as a platform to sneak onto a wagon.

Then the rest of his posts are nothing but spreading confusion and WIFOM.

SUMMARY: Not enough there to real get much, but if a gun was to my head I'd say scum

Pers:

Spoiler:

Let's start at the beginning

VOTE: Blacle

I'm really sick of people declaring themselves conftown, even if they're joking.

You are taking a RVS and trying to grab reason from it. The point of the RVS is to catch people like you reacting to things like that. I should have seen it from here, but let's move on.

Dude, you should go and IC some newbie games if you want to be a teacher.

This was much too defensive. This was only 23 posts into the thread and you are already taking thing to seriously and preemptively trying to react. Next,

Right now I have a very extremely weak null scum read on Maixmous, Kuroi, and Percival, and Kain Tepes. Each one of these slorts have attempted to push weak cases that no one else is being opportunist about at all.

Wow that was bad.

Why was this bad? This was actually good. In fact the only reason this "was so bad" is because your name was on it. Again you are being way to defensive. Instead of scumhunting thus far you have insulted people and got defensive. The only person who gets defensive in a RVS or at the above post is scum. Scum who is scared and doesn't want to get called out.
Next,

Wgeurts. Most posts about theoretical stuffs instead of scumhunting.

IIRC I've seen him do this as town before. I don't particularly like it but it's not a scum tell.

Why the WIFOM and not even about yourself? This is terrible. Now you are not only defensive of yourself, but you are creating WIFOM around others!

BUT WAIT! It gets scummier! His next four posts are all one line. One is pointless, one changes his vote with no reason at all just a vote, the next changes his vote again with no reason but does change it to the latest wagon I might add, and the next post just says hey bw claim, BTW neither of those two past votes were on bw, and he didn't ever vote bw. He has to be the most opportunistic scum I've ever seen!

Then the opportunism continues! After the claim he stopped even pretending to scum hunt. All he has done since is try and direct the night action. He is insistent on it. This is so scummy.

SUMMARY: Scum Scum Scum

SirCakes:

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I didn't get much from him. He doesn't seem to like me, but I still not sure why exactly. He talks a lot but doesn't produce much. He almost looks like scum trying to act like town, but not sure how. I'm leaning scum based on gut.

SUMMARY: Maybe scum trying o look town

TextCat:

Spoiler:

..... So hard to read. Uh,,, I can see why he is an easy d-1 lynch, I say we just wait until tomorrow to give ourselves the TC head ache.

SUMMARY: Uh....

wgeurts:

Spoiler:

Ok so he posts a lot and seems very town to me. Probably my #1 town read. I have to go to dinner with my wife now, but when I get back I'll go into more detail on him.

SUMMARY: #1 Town read, more on him later, off to dinner.

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Persivul - At most, I'd say he's playing anti-town, but I don't see a lot of scum motivation in his posting.

Wowsers, someone actually considering motivation rather than just playing by the numbers.

Please explain to me how you can be anti town but not mafia in a 2 faction game? Also what do you mean by the numbers? Are you say we should randomly guess all the time and ignore logic, reason, and statistics?

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Stop being bad gurts.

See it is pointless things like this that make you scum. You have achieved nothing other than a longer coast with this post.

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Because gurts won't get off my fucking back. I'm feeling contrarian, and as long as he acts like the boss and demands typical town content from me, I'm not going to provide it.

This is an excuse. You are scum and now you are taking omgus'ing to a whole new level. You are blaming your entire game on one person tunneling you.

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I just don't see gurts as scum, he has been the most pro town player in the game.

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Wgeurts we're not lynching the Vig :/
Persivul - you literally went from posting a miniwall about KT to voting wgeurts in 3 posts. What's up there?

It's pretty fucking obvious - a good player came in and voted gurts, making a wagon I had deemed not viable now seem possible.

So you weren't going to vote for him because you thought he was scum, but when opportunity struck you jumped right on? It is obvious you are scum.

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A Shotty lynch is good though

Why?

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Anenien I respect your wit and while it is extremely valuable to me. You don't need to add to my Vig Shot Wifom. I like how you presented it never the less. If I voted for shotty now would I be hammering? I'm too drunk to feel like checking but I will vote with you guys regardless. His OMGUS vote is enough for me to never think he is town for the rest of the game anyway... LOL. I just want to know that I'm hammering when I'm hammering. Instead of doing random shit...

It was no omgus I posted a huge litany of reasons.

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What is the case on Shotty?

That theu don't want to vote pers

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Wgeurts why not?
TeX it's really obvious if you read the game. His only contributions are defending himself whenever someone accuses him, no scumhunting at all.

One that's not true and two I've been under constant fire with no real reasons the whole game. Once again you give no evidence for your claims you just say welp he deffended himself must be scum.

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I'm in the middle of a move and my is on bed rest. I'd like a vc, but I could wearily get behind a masq lynch, we are running out of time. I still think pers is scum, but he is one of a few so I could save him for tomorrow, I'll leave my vote where it is but if it's an option I will hammer masq to avoid a no lynch.

P edit
Bw please dont take your comf town status as a soap box. Ad hom is not just scummy it is rude.

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Until there is a cc no there isn't. Look kid, the.isn't my first rodeo. I would say at this point regardless of alignment you are playing against your win con. And btw insulting someone and discrediting because they are from Texas is ad hom. Also, I don't lack evidence, the people I don't have evidence for I have as a fairly null read. Go actually read my wall post,

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You really.aren't smart are you? No one can be proven right d1

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Again you say this but.you have no reasons. You vote me andnput me L1 because me reads suck? That sounds like an omgus to me, also at least I'm giving read lists and reasons.

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What? Because on this page you said you're behind lynching me? You know you were sitting on a town?-read on me when I first voted you, right?
I have reasons but I'd just be repeating what's already been said. Lack of scumhunting, readslist with way too many scumreads with a lot of 'hard-to-read's and 'not-enough-content-yet's and gutfeelings. And you had me as gut-town?-lean and now you just flipped on me which leaves even less townreads.

I said in stead if a no lynch, and I said I read you as bad, butt town? Hence the question mark. The whole point was I couldn't get a read off of you, and I would lynch a low posting null reading player before a nl day 1 any day

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It was in reference to your post not your vote

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There is nothing to address,

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4 of the 6 votes on me are people that I've attacked. I think pers and anem are the two scum. I think bw is a loose cannon, literally and the other three seem to really think I'm scum.

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Lynched in 3 games in 3 days, once again I'm fucking town. There was not one good reason to vote me. Good game town is fucked.

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Look at anem masq cakez and pers tomorrow,

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Once a fickig gain i didn't. I was talking about the tone of your post. I said absolutely nothing about your vote!

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I had already said that but you insisted that I said it about your vote. I didn't. You are dumb.

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bussed so hard!

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good game town, cakez you tried

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i mean right of the boat and under a bus

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I tried.so hard to set pers up as scum too!

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Bussed so hard!!

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I wonder if shotty thinks he was bussed hard?

Bussed so hard

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Official Vote Count

drmyshottyizsik

(7): SirCakez, Aneninen, Persivul, Alexcellent, BlacleWorks, Masquerade, Maxous (

Lynch!

)

Persivul

(3): wgeurts, drmyshottyizsik, KuroiXHF

wgeurts

(1): Clumsy

Masquerade

(1): texcat

texcat

(1): chilledtea

Not Voting

(0):

None.

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2016-04-14 01:01:48)

First and last vote, bussed so hard

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BUSSED SO HARD!