Open 629: C9++ (Game over!)

Masquerade · Post Post #8 (isolation #0) » Fri Mar 04, 2016 3:22 pm

I have no inspiration to come up with a funny line to go with my RVS vote so I'm just gonna vote the guy with the shortest name.
VOTE: Kop

Masquerade · Post Post #13 (isolation #1) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 1:33 am

In post 11, Ranger wrote:{Nahdia}
{TheSoldier}
{Masquerade, Klingoncelt}
{Creature}

How serious should we take these reads?
Also, what order are they in?

Masquerade · Post Post #16 (isolation #2) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 2:24 am

In post 14, Kop wrote:Town top, scum at the bottom. I've played with him a few times so know this.

Me twice now in this account and I asked before but don't remember getting an actual answer.

Ranger, why is Creature at the bottom and Nahdia on top?

Masquerade · Post Post #20 (isolation #3) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 4:20 am

I hate drama.

VOTE: creature

Masquerade · Post Post #24 (isolation #4) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 8:48 am

Are you a hydra?

More people post please, really hard to comment on things if there aren't things.

Masquerade · Post Post #48 (isolation #5) » Sat Mar 05, 2016 11:06 pm

In post 39, Ranger wrote:
Masquerade wrote:How serious should we take these reads?
Also, what order are they in?
I don't know, you tell me!

Ranger, why is Creature at the bottom and Nahdia on top?
If only there were some sort of answer.

I was trying to talk to you about your reads and maybe I did an awkward move to make that happen but ok whatever. Anyway, nevermind now. Can't really stand to be brushed off like this.
It feels like I'm being teased. If you want to make a point, make it. I don't understand hints and suggestions.

I overslept a bit and need to hurry. Long day at work so will be back tonight. If I have the energy.

Masquerade · Post Post #64 (isolation #6) » Sun Mar 06, 2016 7:52 am

How about a wotc?

Anyway still at work. Quiet now so hopefully done soon.

Masquerade · Post Post #66 (isolation #7) » Sun Mar 06, 2016 10:55 am

Not wtoc, wotc.
Word of the crowd.

Masquerade · Post Post #67 (isolation #8) » Sun Mar 06, 2016 11:01 am

In post 53, Creature wrote:Don't expect me to be an oracle or something.

I can see how someone sees this as agitated. It's more passive-agressive than agitated, but yeah I can see it.

Masquerade · Post Post #72 (isolation #9) » Sun Mar 06, 2016 2:01 pm

@Ranger: I think I have a good idea of your playingstyle and I don't really mind trying to figure out your lists. If you post them frequently enough it shouldn't be too hard. I just don't expect anyone to have reads so early in the game and that's why your list stood out to me. But then the next question is whether you posted that list as a reaction test or as something serious, and that's not really a question I want answered rn. I have no read on you yet but I want to see where your lists take you.

@Theshadow: that should answer your question as well.

Creature, you seem a little annoyed (I only just now read what's in that spoiler in your post) What's up?

Masquerade · Post Post #85 (isolation #10) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 4:36 am

@TheSoldier: Oops mixed you up with another player, just names though. It happens sometimes for me. My brain isn't what it used to. No reads from Ranger stand out to me at the moment, I mean I have a rough idea of why Ranger classified the players the way she did. Once I see an anomaly or something that I don't agree with I'll go after her. But to be honest I just want to avoid asking her anything early-game because I'm probably not going to get a direct answer yet and that will frustrate me. So I decided to observe Ranger and push her to post her lists frequently if needed. (And knowing what order they are in helps and that was my biggest issue really, players that don't know her yet won't know what she's doing)

@Nahdia: Ok, now I'm done (amusing myself by reading other people talk about me). Why did you think my early posts were tryhard?

@GNMG: What exactly strikes you as newbie from me?

@Klingon: What's off about Ranger's readslist according to you?

Hey Willow, can I call you Willow? Do you have any reads so far you'd like to share?

Masquerade · Post Post #93 (isolation #11) » Mon Mar 07, 2016 10:00 am

In post 89, GoodNightMsGreen wrote:

In post 85, Masquerade wrote:@GNMG: What exactly strikes you as newbie from me?

Your perspective on the game.
It's not meant poorly; we were all new once, and Newbs can be and are just as good as anyone else.

I'm not new, but I don't consider myself a superawesome mafiaplayer either. So I'm curious what perspective you mean, I want to get better so I can actually be a superawesome mafiaplayer.

Acryon, talk to me more about your vote on Ranger.

Masquerade · Post Post #154 (isolation #12) » Tue Mar 08, 2016 10:14 am

V/LA for a few days need a break from mafia

Noted

Masquerade · Post Post #188 (isolation #13) » Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:24 am

Gonna do a quick readsdump and then go again. I'll look up and answer (or at least try to) any questions about it so don't wait for my v/la to end.

Thesoldier town, his thoughts much resemble mine. Kop feels town as well as Ranger.
I'm scumleaning Nahdia mostly for not doing much. I don't believe lurking is necessarily scum, it could also be town that just doesn't really know what to add, but I'm not getting the idea she's even really trying.
I'm liking Msgreen a lot more than Acryon and Creature. Acryon jumped to vote way too fast to my liking, which had already been pointed out and I just want to addm y own stance so here.
I already asked much earlier if Msgreen was a hydra and they quickly replied they are, and who they are. Some of the points creature made were a bit too strong imo because it's easily explained by different people posting from the same account. It's worth asking about though.
(Just one thing msgreen, I'm an alt, certainly not a newb)
I don't really have an opinion yet on anybody else.

In post 140, Creature wrote:I am feeling Kop is most likely to flip scum out of them, but I want to hear more from Nahdia and Masquerade too.

Why Kop? (if already answered kindly point me to the post. I probably missed it because I haven't reread a thing)
What do you want to hear from me?

Masquerade · Post Post #190 (isolation #14) » Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:59 am

(It's funny you think that)

Masquerade · Post Post #197 (isolation #15) » Wed Mar 09, 2016 11:52 am

VOTE: Acryon

Masquerade · Post Post #217 (isolation #16) » Thu Mar 10, 2016 10:15 am

Nice avi.

Masquerade · Post Post #261 (isolation #17) » Sat Mar 12, 2016 4:04 am

I'm contacting the mod because Ifeel this is a response to something I said to you in a certain dead PT.

Masquerade · Post Post #263 (isolation #18) » Sat Mar 12, 2016 4:09 am

Don't tal to me ever again. I'm not fighting you. It's too exhausting.

Masquerade · Post Post #264 (isolation #19) » Sat Mar 12, 2016 4:10 am

Also, when that other game is over I'll show the rest how you have been taking feelings from other games into games so stfu.

Masquerade · Post Post #322 (isolation #20) » Mon Mar 14, 2016 4:14 am

I've decided to not talk unless I'm spoken to.

(prodge)

Masquerade · Post Post #366 (isolation #21) » Tue Mar 15, 2016 4:23 am

Ok heard back from mod. Will participate awaiting further word.

Give me a moment to get back into this. Will isoread and post reads later tonight.

I think Nahdia and Klingon both make good points. I agree very much with Nahdia that meta'ing someone when only one alignment is available isn't worth that much. There is nothing to compare with, at least not that we're allowed to talk about. However, I can understand someone could genuinely believe they caught scum based on only one aligment games like Klingon did. Or maybe Klingon exxaggerated to see how Nahdia responds (although that's not really what I'm seeing here so far) I know Klingon will scumslip if she's scum and right now I think Nahdia is more defensive than sne needs to be.

Now to everyone that has been scumreading me from before I said I wouldn't talk anymore (those after are lurk-reading me and lurking is not alignment indicative) please share with me why you think Im scum so I can properly defend against that if I hadn't done so already.

VOTE: Acryon
I will elaborate tonight when I do my readslist.

Masquerade · Post Post #374 (isolation #22) » Tue Mar 15, 2016 8:13 am

Yeah just like you. What are your reads Kain Tepes?

Masquerade · Post Post #376 (isolation #23) » Tue Mar 15, 2016 8:25 am

I want your reads, with explanations, on all the players.

Masquerade · Post Post #383 (isolation #24) » Tue Mar 15, 2016 12:13 pm

In post 380, GoodNightMsGreen wrote:I don't like Pisskop tone but he is getting the discussion going and he is quite inquisitive so I read this as town for now.

He does this as scum too, it's null for him.

So sorry but got caught up in another game and I'm too full to do isoreads rn.

Masquerade · Post Post #401 (isolation #25) » Tue Mar 15, 2016 10:13 pm

In post 399, Reubus Swagrid wrote:With 4 days left until deadline who do we think our candidates are??

Wanna vote Acryon with me?

Masquerade · Post Post #402 (isolation #26) » Tue Mar 15, 2016 10:13 pm

Oh wait nvm you're scumreading me so I doubt you'll be voting with me.

Masquerade · Post Post #403 (isolation #27) » Tue Mar 15, 2016 10:42 pm

I'll explain my scumread on Acryon really quick since I didn't get to iso's yet; it's how he interacted with Creature. He votes him, then explains how creature should be acting under pressure, then sheeps creature faster than lightning. I don't get the thought process behind that. It feels like Acryon suddenly realized he was using this thread as their PT and sheeped Creature on MsGreen because nobody expects buddies to sheep like that.

Masquerade · Post Post #412 (isolation #28) » Wed Mar 16, 2016 8:02 am

In post 405, acryon wrote:
In post 403, Masquerade wrote:I'll explain my scumread on Acryon really quick since I didn't get to iso's yet; it's how he interacted with Creature. He votes him, then explains how creature should be acting under pressure, then sheeps creature faster than lightning. I don't get the thought process behind that. It feels like Acryon suddenly realized he was using this thread as their PT and sheeped Creature on MsGreen because nobody expects buddies to sheep like that.

You should give theoretical scum-me more credit than this.

I don't know you well enough for that yet.
Let me clear something up. I don't actually believe you thought you were posting in the scum PT. I believe your conversation with Creature got so much of your attention you forgot about the game for a while. It's quite a lot of posts you spend on how Creature should respond to pressure, it almost looked like a private conversation. Nahdia's probably right about it being a stretch but I'm just sharing my thoughts here..

Masquerade · Post Post #414 (isolation #29) » Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:02 am

I get what you're saying. Still to me it didn't feel manipulative towards your slot, but kind, patient.

Masquerade · Post Post #417 (isolation #30) » Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:20 am

@something-smart: The thing is that he voted your slot before he started being all nice to creature about how he should look town and such. If Acryon was scumreading creature for being obsessed with people voting him, then where's the suspicious/accusatory tone? Why did he put creature at L-2 and then talk to creature as if he's town? What do you think Acryon was manipulating Creature into doing/saying?

Masquerade · Post Post #418 (isolation #31) » Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:21 am

Acryon: feel free to respond to ^ as well.

Masquerade · Post Post #472 (isolation #32) » Thu Mar 17, 2016 10:48 am

Doing readslists.

UNVOTE:
Will post readslist in a moment.

Masquerade · Post Post #473 (isolation #33) » Thu Mar 17, 2016 10:49 am

Doing isos* that is.

Masquerade · Post Post #474 (isolation #34) » Thu Mar 17, 2016 10:53 am

Ranger I'd like you to comment on all the points in zefiend's case on you.

Masquerade · Post Post #475 (isolation #35) » Thu Mar 17, 2016 11:06 am

Town: Pisskop, Kop
Townleans: Nahdia, Reabus and Willow
Null: MsGreen, Acryon, zefiend, Ranger (I had Ranger as a townlean but when I read zefiend's case I did like some of his points)
Scum: Klingon, Somethingsmart(/Creature)

I changed my mind on Acryon based on rereading Creature's iso and I feel like Somethingsmart is trying to manipulate me into pushing for Acryon and townreading his own slot.

Mod, can we get a vc?

VOTE: Somethingsmart

Masquerade · Post Post #501 (isolation #36) » Thu Mar 17, 2016 1:10 pm

In post 483, Ranger wrote:This is something anyone could have gotten if they had asked, but nobody did.

In post 13, Masquerade wrote:
In post 11, Ranger wrote:{Nahdia}
{TheSoldier}
{Masquerade, Klingoncelt}
{Creature}

How serious should we take these reads?
Also, what order are they in?

You responded to that by teasing instead of giving a serious answer. Don't give me crap that you were never asked, because you were.

I was asked what I didn't like, so I answered. I was not asked for the specifics, so I did not give them. Again, I put in as little effort as required. And since nobody asked, I wasn't going to bother pointing it out.

Just elaborate. I know there are times when it's better to not say anything but putting in as little effort as possible is apparently what's getting you scumread.
I kind of like all the rest of your post.

I'm not lynching Nahdia today but I'm willing to move my vote to Klingon.

Masquerade · Post Post #522 (isolation #37) » Fri Mar 18, 2016 9:12 am

I hate quotewalls.

Masquerade · Post Post #566 (isolation #38) » Sat Mar 19, 2016 5:31 am

In post 554, ɀefiend wrote:
In post 403, Masquerade wrote:I'll explain my scumread on Acryon really quick since I didn't get to iso's yet; it's how he interacted with Creature. He votes him, then explains how creature should be acting under pressure, then sheeps creature faster than lightning. I don't get the thought process behind that. It feels like Acryon suddenly realized he was using this thread as their PT and sheeped Creature on MsGreen because nobody expects buddies to sheep like that.

This is making the assumption that Creature is scum. Also, Acryon was/is voting Ranger. Forcing a case is scummy. Congrats, you are now a scum lean for me.

I'm scumreading creature, so how does it make me a scumlean? I'm even voting the creature-slot. I know I'm not supposed to make preflipassociations, but if I have a feeling about something I'm damn well going to talk about it so I can sort the players involved. And it has resulted in Acryon back to null on my list.

In post 564, ɀefiend wrote:
DO NOT try to pull things out of context against me. You WILL fail.

Your
post dismisses all the legitimate content generated during the exchange for the purposes of leaving your vote parked on Creature.

My
post dismisses all the walls of meta-arguments for the purposes of explaining why my prodge post does not have any commentary on Kling vs. Nahdia.

Ok so you have little experience here (your joindate suggests otherwise but ok..) so I understand you won't use meta. But do you have an opinion about it? Because you're conveniently letting that out as well.

Masquerade · Post Post #573 (isolation #39) » Sat Mar 19, 2016 9:02 am

In post 570, GoodNightMsGreen wrote:1. I don't see why your difficulties with pisskop preclude you from talking to everyone else.
2. This is probably Town. Scum would likely be more aggressive in this situation in hopes of starting a shitfight.

1. At the time I was preoccupied with my frustration with Pisskop and couldn't find room to really participate. I had a chat with the mod and that helped, along with taking it easy for a while. I can't elaborate on the reasons why I'm frustrated mostly, because it's in an ongoing game.
2. Not gonna comment on the first bit, but I think there are town-players that will pick a fight with someone in an attempt to read them. I sometimes like to post things to get a rise out of someone else, by exxaggerating something for instance, just to see how they respond. Can tell a lot.

Masquerade · Post Post #594 (isolation #40) » Sat Mar 19, 2016 1:28 pm

Yeah those last 2 posts by Nahdia are kinda icky..

Masquerade · Post Post #598 (isolation #41) » Sat Mar 19, 2016 1:41 pm

I get paranoid at these times. I'll let you continue your bored-posting and I'll try to keep my paranoia more to myself.

And some people vote Somethingsmart please, we need to lynch.

Masquerade · Post Post #657 (isolation #42) » Tue Mar 22, 2016 6:55 am

I have played a game where a towny gambitted a guilty on another towny and town still won because the rest of town had the decency and wit to actually hear the gambitter out instead of flashwagonning him after his guilty flipped town.

I believe Pisskop's claim, I already had a strong townread on his slot and besides that Somethingsmart is a legit check to make. I'll vote when everyone has had achance to post. I hate coming to a new day and find it's already night again. Also I want to see everyone's response to this.

@Kain: Tell me how your playstyle is helping you get reads on other players.

Masquerade · Post Post #670 (isolation #43) » Tue Mar 22, 2016 7:26 am

In post 658, KainTepes wrote:HAMMER HIM NOW!!!! we dont need to listen to his excuses corrupting the TOWN,, if we leave him alive he might convince us again of his lies

Why do you have to be such an idiot? Do you even think about this or are you just trolling your way through this game?

Masquerade · Post Post #671 (isolation #44) » Tue Mar 22, 2016 7:27 am

Oh newp age..

Masquerade · Post Post #672 (isolation #45) » Tue Mar 22, 2016 7:31 am

Oh nvm.

Masquerade · Post Post #694 (isolation #46) » Tue Mar 22, 2016 11:38 am

If you don't know what's going on then how do you know there's something going on enough for you to say 'I don't know what's going on'?

Masquerade · Post Post #699 (isolation #47) » Tue Mar 22, 2016 2:01 pm

So you don't believe Pisskop's claim?

Masquerade · Post Post #701 (isolation #48) » Tue Mar 22, 2016 2:22 pm

How come?

Masquerade · Post Post #715 (isolation #49) » Tue Mar 22, 2016 9:23 pm

In post 696, Nahdia wrote:Masq that was like, a really really weird post.

Yeah I did that on purpose. Was looking for a guilty conscience and I think I found it.

Masquerade · Post Post #728 (isolation #50) » Fri Mar 25, 2016 2:46 am

So this opened right when I have to leave..

I agree with the scumreads on Acryon, I didn't much like his first post after the update. I want to look into some things, not sure when I get to that. Going out tonight so probably not back here until tomorrow.

Masquerade · Post Post #770 (isolation #51) » Fri Mar 25, 2016 9:19 am

Dude. It's obvious.
and you are scum.
nobody comments on a dov save.
I'm drunk but I'll vote when I get home.
I think. Wine..

Masquerade · Post Post #772 (isolation #52) » Fri Mar 25, 2016 11:01 am

In post 743, pisskop wrote:Btw, you guiz know I got a no result on SS, right?

Dammit I thought you softed something else today. Oh well. Back to ignoring you it is. Except for guilties.

In post 745, acryon wrote:Then you got lucky, and that was still terrible.

With this set-up Pisskop would have either been rb'ed or hit the SK with immunity to investigation. Either way the resulting lynch is informative of role setup for town. And that's all we're discussing about role set up today.
There was never any fakeclaim. Pisskop never said he got a 'guilty' (or 'innocent' for that matter)
(Still ignoring Pisskop)

In post 758, pisskop wrote:Block on me was very unlikely.

Agreed. Slot was too obvtown to roleblock N1.
(Ok, not really ignoring Pisskop, but I sure as hell am not talking to him or arguing with him)

In post 759, pisskop wrote:You guys would hate me if I were scum

Yup.

I don't need any kind of cop-guilty for Acryon.

VOTE: Acryon
People need to understand that my early reads are spookingly accurate.

Masquerade · Post Post #780 (isolation #53) » Fri Mar 25, 2016 11:58 am

Ranger. You took a wrong turn somewhere.

Masquerade · Post Post #793 (isolation #54) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 4:29 am

I don't feel comfortable talking about the setup. All I know is there are 3 mafia, maybe a SK as well, and we need to lynch them. We already have 2 down, 2 more scum to go.

Masquerade · Post Post #794 (isolation #55) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 4:29 am

Klingon, you plan to only post when someone addresses you?

Masquerade · Post Post #807 (isolation #56) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 5:43 am

In post 796, Kop wrote:
In post 793, Masquerade wrote:I don't feel comfortable talking about the setup. All I know is there are 3 mafia,
maybe a SK as well,
and we need to lynch them. We already have 2 down, 2 more scum to go.

What do you mean maybe? The SK has already been flipped over.

I don't know how that 'maybe' got in there. I'm aware the SK flipped, the 2 down, 2 to go should tell you that..

In post 806, GoodNightMsGreen wrote:How do you "know there are 3 mafia"?

Good question, thought I read it on the wiki (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=C9%2B%2B) but I remembered it wrong.
I thought I saw a soft or something and I used it to take a stab at puzzling out the setup. And with that I came at 3 scum, but it's incorrect. And that's all I can say for it.
I do think it would make the most sense for this setup to contain 3 mafia, but I'm no expert on balance and I have only experience modding games that are somewhat similar to the newbies here, and that was years ago.
Oh and I was also wrong about Ranger making a wrong turn. I'm never setupspeccing again...

Also,

VOTE: Acryon

L-1 so please state intent.

Masquerade · Post Post #846 (isolation #57) » Mon Mar 28, 2016 2:59 am

@Acryon: I actually did not check what kind of result any kind of cop or other kind of investigative would get on an investigative-immune SK. I only checked the C9++ page and that says:

Cops get results in the form of Town/Antitown or Innocent/Guilty - SK's show up as Antitown/Guilty unless they have Inv-Immunity.

which to me implies cop doesn't get a result of SK picked immunity.
No need to get into setupspeccing more, this was just meant to make you see I wasn't going on faulty logic, I was going on my own interpretation of the role.

So you're saying PK's guilty on you is fake?

@KainTepes: please replace out. You're making the game less fun.

Masquerade · Post Post #852 (isolation #58) » Mon Mar 28, 2016 3:48 am

UNVOTE:
No time now gtg but gonna find out where I got that you had a guilty :/

Masquerade · Post Post #854 (isolation #59) » Mon Mar 28, 2016 6:19 am

I'm confused. What I understood was that Pisskop didn't get a result N1 and a guilty on Acryon N2.

Masquerade · Post Post #855 (isolation #60) » Mon Mar 28, 2016 6:20 am

In post 767, pisskop wrote:I dont have a guilty on Acryon.

I just think he is scummy

Oh turns out I missed this.

Masquerade · Post Post #856 (isolation #61) » Mon Mar 28, 2016 6:31 am

In post 853, acryon wrote:
In post 852, Masquerade wrote:UNVOTE:
No time now gtg but gonna find out where I got that you had a guilty :/

Well he said he did, but then he admitted he didn't actually; he just thinks I'm scum. I never took him saying he had a guilty on me seriously in the first place, but I guess I also knew it couldn't be serious.

You guess?

Masquerade · Post Post #858 (isolation #62) » Mon Mar 28, 2016 6:43 am

Acryon, why do you townread Pisskop?

Masquerade · Post Post #865 (isolation #63) » Mon Mar 28, 2016 9:07 am

I was digging into your iso to find out why you think Zefiend bussed Ranger and couldn't fins it. I was able to find this though:

In post 627, acryon wrote:Looking over zefiend, I reluctantly am placing Ranger as Town for now, since the back and forth between them doesn't feel like bussing.

Changed your mind?

Masquerade · Post Post #867 (isolation #64) » Mon Mar 28, 2016 9:18 am

Oh for crying out loud I read that one several times and somehow didn't get that was an explanation for your turnaround. I suck at language..
Anyway, Ranger kept posting after hammering which clearly points to her not being aware of actually posting the hammer and also not planning it as she wasn;t done posting when she actually posted the hammer. Ranger is town.

Masquerade · Post Post #869 (isolation #65) » Mon Mar 28, 2016 9:26 am

You're making a weird bridge. Because Ranger thinks about not reading the preview she should also think about reading them in case someone has placed a L-1-vote? That's essentially what you;re saying and it doesn't work.

Masquerade · Post Post #871 (isolation #66) » Mon Mar 28, 2016 9:30 am

Ok I get what you're saying.

Dammit..

Masquerade · Post Post #888 (isolation #67) » Wed Mar 30, 2016 1:10 am

Ugh I should go look at Ranger vs Zefiend again but pretty sure Ranger is town and it's weirding me out Acryon keeps scumreading her because I'd think scum would have changed his scumread sigh. Opinions anyone?

Masquerade · Post Post #893 (isolation #68) » Wed Mar 30, 2016 3:16 am

In post 889, GoodNightMsGreen wrote:Scum change their minds more rarely than Town, on average, because we're hardwired to link consistency with only good things and because we actually tend to be more consistent when we lie.

That's precisely my doubt here. I want you, and anyone, to comment on the fact that Ranger is town for how Zefiend scumread her.
And I don't know, Acryon doesn't look all that scummy to me besides his tunnel on Ranger.
Acryon: address this please. Ignoring this any longer and you are claiming scum. What exactly makes you think that Zefiend and Ranger bussed?

Masquerade · Post Post #895 (isolation #69) » Wed Mar 30, 2016 3:25 am

Well I just looked back at it and the way Ranger responded to Zefiend made me think it wasn't bussing. It was also a weird time for bussing as neither was in any danger of being lynched.

Masquerade · Post Post #896 (isolation #70) » Wed Mar 30, 2016 3:27 am

And why would scum try to wagon a buddy Day 1, from the very start? That's just insane. No matter how good a tactic like bussing can be, no scumteam will want their buddies in any kind of danger Day 1.

Masquerade · Post Post #982 (isolation #71) » Fri Apr 01, 2016 6:07 am

Prodge.

Catching up now.

Masquerade · Post Post #983 (isolation #72) » Fri Apr 01, 2016 6:42 am

I'm not lynching Ranger without a cop-guilty. I'm saying this because the only reason I won't scumread Ranger is because of her and Zefiend accusing each other and I don't believe they were bussing. Now I do understand how some people can scumread her, I agree on a few points, but I don't know Ranger's scumgame so I wouldn't know if it's different from her towngame. And when she's town I usually feel like she's scum, so I need a cop-guilty before I lynch her. For me it's worth to spend a night on.

I don't like Pisskop's scumpool and would like to know why he came to those players. I'm not talking to him so if anyone could ask him that would be great.

Gonna go catch up on my other games and then come back here for some rereading. So far I'm ok with the Willow-vote(s?)

Acryon: What do you mean by 'monopolize the scum-case on her'?

Masquerade · Post Post #1003 (isolation #73) » Fri Apr 01, 2016 1:01 pm

VOTE: willow

L-1.

Masquerade · Post Post #1012 (isolation #74) » Sat Apr 02, 2016 3:21 pm

If someone could hammer that would be nice.

Masquerade · Post Post #1013 (isolation #75) » Sat Apr 02, 2016 4:59 pm

Don't listen to me.
I drank.

Masquerade · Post Post #1016 (isolation #76) » Sun Apr 03, 2016 4:26 am

There is nothing in Willow's iso that makes me want to leave that wagon.

@Kop: Can you elaborate on what doesn't feel right?

@Anyone: Can someone ask Pisskop why he thinks Acryon is scum?

Masquerade · Post Post #1082 (isolation #77) » Wed Apr 06, 2016 8:04 am

Ok then..

Pisskop you need to start sharing reads, because I'm really having trouble believing you're town right now.

Masquerade · Post Post #1088 (isolation #78) » Wed Apr 06, 2016 8:30 am

You win.

Mod replace me out please

Masquerade · Post Post #1309 (isolation #79) » Wed Apr 20, 2016 5:15 am

I'm back!

So I've been keeping up with this but I haven't actively tried to remember what's been said so somewhere in the next few hours I will catch up and post thoughts. Just need to do a few other things before I can focus on mafia.

VOTE: Acryon
I believe we were doing this when I left.

Masquerade · Post Post #1311 (isolation #80) » Wed Apr 20, 2016 6:16 am

Yeah I remembered wrong.

I reread and
VOTE: heuristically_alone

Masquerade · Post Post #1320 (isolation #81) » Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:16 am

RC, why aren;t you voting heuristicallyalone?

Masquerade · Post Post #1322 (isolation #82) » Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:57 am

In post 1182, ChannelDelibird wrote:Spoiler: Masquerade/wgeurts
1 I've been mildly concerned by Masquerade through most of my read and I now think it's pretty hard to imagine the slot as town. It started around here, a post which asks a bunch of pretty empty 'what exactly did you mean by this, could you expand on that' questions. This is the easiest type of question for scum to ask; it makes them look interested without actually requiring them to bring anything to the table themselves. Masquerade also never seemed to care about the answers to questions like these. Follow-ups were few and far between. I'm pretty sure that they were asked for the asking's sake, not because it was helping them narrow anything down.

2 I'm not sure how much I'm willing to let myself read into this - I certainly don't know what, if any, other games Masquerade or their main were in at the time, but people getting stressed about mafia generally (obviously) happens more when they're under pressure, and Masquerade didn't seem under that much pressure at the time. My gut reaction is that perceived pressure was enhanced by being scum. Like I say, though, I'm conflicted as to how much to put into this but I feel like it's worth mentioning.

3 More pertinent, perhaps, is this where Masquerade demands that people let them defend themselves better. It feels a lot like the old (and very good) 'caught for the wrong reasons' scumtell, where scum is frustrated that they are under suspicion despite not feeling like they've earned it. I also agree with pisskop that this rings of someone who knows that pisskop is town but would prefer if people refused to trust him. Bear in mind that, the very next (real-life) day, Pisskop was one of Masquerade's strongest townreads. Why undermine someone else's townread on him if he's a top townread for you?

4 Generally I felt like Masquerade's apathy and reluctance towards the game is more likely to come from scum than town. I don't know much about their history with Pisskop, which is apparently a thing, but whatever issues were had there seemed like they were being used as an excuse to stay distant from the game and the eventual replace-out seemed like a natural culmination of someone who was really struggling to summon the energy to make it work as scum.

1 That's what I do. I ask questions Day 1 so I get to know the players and then I go from there. I want to know how people think, I don't want to assume why someone thought what they thought or did what they did, I want to know. So when later I see a discrepance I know it's real because I'm not following up on an assumption that could be wrong. It gets me scumread a lot on Day 1.

2 This to me reads more like you're trying to feel out how other players' opinions on it are to try a misslynch on me. Either way, you don't know me so you can't make the assumption I was stressed because of this particular game, another game I am/was in, all games together, or real life-stress. So I do think it's weird that you bring it up. (It should, btw, be freaking obvious I replaced out because Pisskop was pissing me off and I couldn't focus on the game anymore)

3 The Pisskopslot has been a townread of mine since freaking Day 1 because of TheSoldier (you should, just for fun, check how long ago that was) Pisskop's attitude to me coloured my vision, so yeah I had doubts about his claim. I've worked those doubts out and the slot is still 100% town.
Where did I demand people let 'them defend themselves better'?

4 I do fake/exxaggerate frustration as scum, you'll just have to believe it wasn't the case here.
Can you now make a read on me that's based on my other reads instead of Pisskop and my replace-out? Also, your header said masq/wgeurts but there's no wgeurts in there at all.
And then you make this

In post 1191, ChannelDelibird wrote:Is that the entire basis of your townread on wgeurts? Nothing left over from Masquerade? Any comment on the several points I brought up against the slot?

Which makes me feel like you're trying to push someone into agreeing with you.

PEdit:
@RC: uhuh

VOTE: Channeldelibird

Masquerade · Post Post #1323 (isolation #83) » Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:58 am

Now if people were more active I wouldn't have 3 votes on one page.

Masquerade · Thu Apr 21, 2016 10:35 pm

That's L-1..

Masquerade · Thu Apr 21, 2016 10:48 pm

I'm not hammering this

In post 92, ɀefiend wrote:VOTE: Kop

Posts read as fluff and pointless questions. And I'll echo this since it was ignored:

In post 71, TheSoldier wrote:@Kop: You've been passive so far. Why no attempts to engage?

Scum left their vote there for 3 days and was the only one voting there so most likely not for towncred, so not bussing.

Masquerade · Thu Apr 21, 2016 11:06 pm

I don't think CDB and Acryon are buddies because they were the first 2 to vote Kop-slot and I'd think scum would avoid voting together like that.

Masquerade · Thu Apr 21, 2016 11:16 pm

@CDB: Why didn't Kop just join on the willow-misslynch? Why would he try to WK her?

Masquerade · Thu Apr 21, 2016 11:18 pm

In post 1332, RadiantCowbells wrote:w/e kop was Ranger's primary scumread.

Yeah but willow was on the same tier and she flipped town so while I did base my vote partly on her last readslist, I'm not taking it as absolute truth just because it's a Ranger-read.

Masquerade · Thu Apr 21, 2016 11:25 pm

Dammit, if CDB is scum then I don't know who can be his buddy. Do we even need to find 2 scum has anyone figured out the setup yet?

Masquerade · Thu Apr 21, 2016 11:30 pm

Klingon, you've been scumreading me throughout the game and never pushed my slot. How come?

Masquerade · Thu Apr 21, 2016 11:31 pm

Need to go now and not sure if I have time later but I'm working tonight and I might have time to read some things if it's not going to be too crowded.

Masquerade · Post Post #1346 (isolation #92) » Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:58 am

In post 1343, ChannelDelibird wrote:
In post 1336, Masquerade wrote:@CDB: Why didn't Kop just join on the willow-misslynch? Why would he try to WK her?

Scum want to look like town and sometimes this manifests in them taking a stance against wagons on town because they know that the wagonee is town and they think that they might look suspicious in jumping onto a wagon that would later turn out to be a bad one. Especially if Kop was any kind of self-conscious about how little he'd contributed, he might well figure that, if that wagon continued at its pace and went to a lynch, he might draw suspicion for being a mostly quiet player jumping on a fast-paced wagon that turned out to be bullshit.

When we scumhunt, we're fundamentally looking for people who know who's scum and who's town. Kop's jarring opposition to the Willow wagon, which was pretty reasonable and did indeed end up with Willow's lynch, stands out as somebody who seemed to know what Willow as town.

While I agree with you, when I look at willow I don't believe scum would pick

her

to WK. Unless they wanted her as a misslynch in lylo, that's possible I guess..
I also kinda think scum would actually find a reason to townread willow, but Kop didn't, he just called the wagon 'too fast'.

In post 1344, ChannelDelibird wrote:By them, I meant you (as you have no pronouns listed, I've been using neutral ones for you). You demanded that people give you the chance to defend yourself better in the post to which I linked in the paragraph to which you're replying.

Yeah I thought you meant that but I wasn;t sure so I asked first.
I didn't demand anything.
I had been away from the thread out of frustration and not posted for a while so wanted a recap of the scumreads on me. I mostly asked because virtually nobody gave actual reasons as to why they were scumreading me.

You sound very reasonable and it scares me.

Masquerade · Post Post #1347 (isolation #93) » Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:58 am

CDB, are you a level-headed person in general?

Masquerade · Post Post #1351 (isolation #94) » Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:36 am

Shoot that first paragrah does make a lot of sense, hadn't looked at it that way. Kop has been sort of defensive of willow since Day 1 as well, which idd looks like he chose her to 'buddy' and stuck with it.

Yeah my phrasing can be awkward sometimes, first of all I'm not natively English and second sometimes I have thoughts that I have a hard time putting in a sentence and then awkwardness.

It scares me because it feels distant and calculated.

However,
UNVOTE:

Gonna think some things over.

Masquerade · Post Post #1352 (isolation #95) » Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:38 am

No.

VOTE: Channel[/unvote]

You;re working with me while I'm your second strongest scumread. In my experience, people that scurmead me don;t explain themselves to me.

Masquerade · Post Post #1353 (isolation #96) » Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:38 am

Oh

VOTE: Channel

Masquerade · Post Post #1354 (isolation #97) » Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:41 am

Time for me to go now. Hopefully I have spare time at work tonight.

Masquerade · Post Post #1355 (isolation #98) » Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:43 am

(I heard in another game when numbers are even it's better for town to no-lynch? That game town lost so I'm not too sure)

Masquerade · Post Post #1368 (isolation #99) » Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:04 pm

UNVOTE:

Busy night at work (sold out, didn't know until I got there..) so didn't get to do much.

I'm getting lots of paranoid rn.

Convince me.
Why would Zefiend vote his buddy for no reason at all? For 3 days. Where there was no towncred to be gained. On Day 1. Which should be the day you try to not lynch your buddies the most.

Masquerade · Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:10 pm

I never played with Zefiend before. Is he someone that would bus a buddy day 1 to gain towncred from it later? Is Zefiend the kind of player that wins scumgames more often than not?

Masquerade · Sat Apr 23, 2016 3:34 am

Shit I fell asleep

I think I'm ok with that hammer I just hope we didn't lose with it.

Masquerade · Mon Apr 25, 2016 1:21 pm

I came to the conclusion GNMG is scum by PoE.

VOTE: GNMG

Masquerade · Tue Apr 26, 2016 2:06 am

After my suspicion on CDB yesterday I changed my mind on him to a townread. Nahdia is town period, Acryon is town too because of Kop and alone pushing that, and some things about Klingon that make me think she's town too but I'm least sure about her. GNMG has had no pressure whatsoever during this game, and for me that's usually a sign of scum.

Masquerade · Tue Apr 26, 2016 2:08 am

He's btw also the only one who has had a townlean on me all game and never pressured me while there were times I deserved it.

Masquerade · Tue Apr 26, 2016 2:23 am

@Nahdia: You know that was because of this, right?

In post 92, ɀefiend wrote:VOTE: Kop

Posts read as fluff and pointless questions. And I'll echo this since it was ignored:

In post 71, TheSoldier wrote:@Kop: You've been passive so far. Why no attempts to engage?

He kept his vote here for about 200 posts before he came back into this thread and voted someone else. Is it really weird I would hesitate to lynch Kop/alone when it's possible it will lose us the game?

Masquerade · Tue Apr 26, 2016 4:01 pm

*bump*

*knock knock*

Where did everybody go?

Masquerade · Wed Apr 27, 2016 6:06 am

Why not GNMG? Why am I wrong?

Masquerade · Wed Apr 27, 2016 6:47 am

I just read GNMG and Kop/alone and I got the feeling alone was trying to keep Nahdia and Klingon open for misslynch-possibilities. I also think I was wrong about GNMG.

VOTE: Channel

Masquerade · Wed Apr 27, 2016 6:54 am

That does mean Channel hardbussed his buddy upon replacing in..

UNVOTE:

Not sure yet.
Kop pushed Klingon for a while but at some point stopped that and we know scum bussed. I'm starting to get paranoid now. I'm afraid I'm overthinking this.

GNMG: I'm getting really tired of you collecting prods. Can you either join the discussion or just replace out so your slot gets filled with someone that cares?

Masquerade · Wed Apr 27, 2016 6:55 am

In post 1396, Masquerade wrote:I just read GNMG and Kop/alone and I got the feeling alone was trying to keep Nahdia and Klingon open for misslynch-possibilities. I also think I was wrong about GNMG.

VOTE: Channel

I changed my mind.
Then I remembered something and changed my mind again (hence the unvote)

Masquerade · Wed Apr 27, 2016 6:57 am

In post 1397, acryon wrote:Why does this end with a CDB vote? You just said you thought he was town.

Meant to quote this in my previous post..

Masquerade · Wed Apr 27, 2016 6:58 am

Well if we all agree it either Klingon or Channel we can just lynch them both and win.
Does anyone object?

Masquerade · Wed Apr 27, 2016 12:18 pm

Dammit, channel I don't know whether you're town or scum faking it.

Masquerade · Wed Apr 27, 2016 11:29 pm

@mod: Can you come in and mod? You know, vc's replacements prods.....

VOTE: Klingon
As long as you don't help us talk about who we should lynch I'm just going to assume you're lying when you say that you're town.

Masquerade · Thu Apr 28, 2016 7:19 am

In post 1357, RadiantCowbells wrote:I don't like how CDB hasn't even made an effort to engage with me.

Feels like he wants to ignore me and nightkill me and hope my reads are forgotten.

I kinda feel that CDB wouldn't kill RC after this post. But I also thought Zefiend wouldn't vote his buddy so I dunno..
Can people talk to me please? If I keep doing this in my own head I'm gonna get paranoid about everything.

Masquerade · Thu Apr 28, 2016 8:22 pm

Can't wait to see it

Masquerade · Fri Apr 29, 2016 2:54 am

You know what, whatever. Don;t respond to the points I'm trying to talk about. Especially do not try to figure anything out.

Masquerade · Fri Apr 29, 2016 2:57 am

In post 1277, acryon wrote:
In post 1236, Klingoncelt wrote:I don't see Wgeurts and Kop voting for each other.

Pisskop just ate a tempban, so it's not likely that vote will move, unless a replacement is found quickly.

Can everyone move to Wgeurts today and we can lynch Kop Day 5?

Not sure how I didn't see this post before, but it is truly terrible.

Consider me on-board with a Kling lynch if people aren't interested enough in a Kop one.

And you also didn't comment on Nahdia lining up lynches, but suddenly I'm the scum here? No. NO. NOPE>

Masquerade · Fri Apr 29, 2016 3:00 am

Yeah nvm that last post that was me being butthurt. I'll just sit around quietly and wait until someone is willing to respond to what I've been saying instead of focussing on the one bad thing I said today.

Masquerade · Fri Apr 29, 2016 3:05 am

mod how is it going looking for a replacement for GNMG?

Masquerade · Fri Apr 29, 2016 11:27 am

In post 1426, acryon wrote:Your way looked worse I think. "Hey guys, we just lynch these next two people. Everyone agree?"

That;s not at allwhat I said.

(bblneed to sober up)

Masquerade · Fri Apr 29, 2016 11:36 am

I wasn't so much drunk as I was hungry and food in front of me anyway back now.

Acryon, When you're left with 5 other players and you have townreads on 3 of them and you know you can lynch 2 more times before town loses if we don't lynch scum, then what would you do at the point where everyone is starting to get apathic?

Masquerade · Fri Apr 29, 2016 11:40 am

I suck at lylo. I get paranoid of everyone.

UNVOTE:

I'm out.

Masquerade · Fri Apr 29, 2016 4:27 pm

Hardly anyone voted Zefiend since he was NK'ed night 1..

Masquerade · Fri Apr 29, 2016 4:28 pm

Ranger flipped town, was townreading Kop..

Masquerade · Fri Apr 29, 2016 4:42 pm

I'm not currently scumreading Acryon and why are you saying that as if he flipped or is otherwise confirmed?

Masquerade · Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:17 pm

I'd rather you respond to my 1436 ty.

Masquerade · Sun May 01, 2016 2:41 am

I had a scumread on Acryon for a short while Day one, based on his interactions with Creature who hadn't flipped at that point yet. I've voted Acryon later because I believed Pisskop had a guilty there and, like you, I sheeped him. You are accusing me of things you have done yourself. How is it scummotivated when I do it and townmotivated when you do it?
And if you didn't like the reason I had at the time for scumreading Acryon, why didn't you talk to me about it sooner?

Masquerade · Sun May 01, 2016 12:55 pm

I'll get back to this after some sleep. Will not wait forever for a replacement, but I don't like throwing in a vote and then leaving at L-1. Klingon can consider herself at L-1 though.

Masquerade · Mon May 02, 2016 2:36 am

VOTE: Klingon

L-1

Masquerade · Mon May 02, 2016 1:30 pm

Hey mod when you read this, you and Channel need prods

Masquerade · Tue May 03, 2016 1:42 am

So does my rolepm yet you are scumreading me since Day 1 so I dunno..

Masquerade · Tue May 03, 2016 12:29 pm

This is getting really annoying :/

Masquerade · Tue May 03, 2016 1:30 pm

Looks like Channel isn't around at the site currently, and GNMG still needs a replacement..

Masquerade · Tue May 03, 2016 11:15 pm

If it worked that way why are you not unvoting me? See, my rolepm says I'm town. I don't believe yours says the same.
Show me you're town.
Do towny things.

Masquerade · Wed May 04, 2016 11:28 am

I'm bored..

Klingon, do you have any idea what Ranger saw that changed her mind on you? And if yes, please quote it or link to it or something.

Masquerade · Wed May 04, 2016 3:17 pm

In post 1466, Klingoncelt wrote:Creature was 3rdParty.

Well, yeah, so if Acryon is scum he'd have known creature wasn't scum. And that makes it maybe a little awkward but not less WK'ing. I'm not sure if it was though.

Ok lets talk
UNVOTE:

Masquerade · Thu May 05, 2016 5:07 am

I'm not sure if I'm really scumreading Klingon or just annoyed with the 'Hi I'm Klingon and my pm says I'm town so you shouldn't lynch me and otherwise I'm not going to do a thing because my rolepm says I'm town so everyone should just accept that I'm town and not lynch me ever even though I'm not doing anything to prove to anyone that I'm town'

Masquerade · Thu May 05, 2016 5:14 am

And well Acryon, you did not attack the wagon on Creature. You voted Creature while you questioned him, then sheeped his vote on GNMG and then continued to attack GNMG. Not the wagon, or any of the other voters on Creature's wagon.

Masquerade · Thu May 05, 2016 5:45 am

I said you didn't attack the wagon. After your talk with Creature you proceeded to push GNMG and you barely talked to anybody else. Why didnt you push anyone else on creature's wagon?

In post 1480, acryon wrote:And again, we crossed this bridge, so if the best idea of scum people have is dredging up a D1 interaction that we already went over without anything new, I suggest you (the general you, not specifically Masq) look a little further.

Why are you telling us to ignore your Day 1?

Masquerade · Thu May 05, 2016 5:46 am

In post 1481, Armageddon wrote:
Sadly Reverie has to replace out, so I shall again be looking for a replacement for that slot.

Seriously though, I'm about ready to just abandon this game.

Masquerade · Thu May 05, 2016 3:00 pm

Klingon, who is scum? You unvoted me, did you change your mind? If yes, why? If no, why not?

Masquerade · Fri May 06, 2016 2:43 pm

In post 1496, Nahdia wrote:VCD???T

Huh?

Masquerade · Fri May 06, 2016 2:45 pm

Day 1 no lynch because not enough votes.
N2 no-kill because I dunno. Prolly a good protect but doc died so
no-one knows (QOTSA!)

Masquerade · Fri May 06, 2016 3:34 pm

In post 1514, WillReplace4Food wrote:
In post 1499, Masquerade wrote:Day 1 no lynch because not enough votes.
N2 no-kill because I dunno. Prolly a good protect but doc died so
no-one knows (QOTSA!)
This is scummy upon reflection

Town points for anyone who can verbalize the reason I think so

I had alcohol. When I just read your post saying Pisskpop was N2 protect I remembered I had that same thought. You should know Pisskop and I were on bad terms and I temporarily replaced out of this game because of that (my slot needed replacement again and I asked if I could come back, it was allowed after mod spoke to listmod and left some time for anyone else to respond first through queue, I came back because this game has had to, and still is, endure replacements enough, my slot wasn't under significant pressure when I came back)

Masquerade · Fri May 06, 2016 3:36 pm

In post 59, KainTepes wrote:see, agitated

In post 60, KainTepes wrote:VOTE: Creature

How did those^ lead to your vote on Acryon?

Masquerade · Fri May 06, 2016 3:37 pm

You;re an alt, aren't you?

Masquerade · Fri May 06, 2016 4:18 pm

In post 1521, WillReplace4Food wrote:I didn't say anything about pisskop being n2 protect

Wow. My drunk is coming with a completely new symptom this time.

Wow..

At least I got one thing right!

I'm going to sleep and definitely do better when I wake up.

Hi Nahdia

Oh right Acryon seemed to legitemately (is this spelled right?) think he was lynched and still acted like he was vt and I'm not experienced enough with him to know if that makes him town or good scum. He did tell me to give theoretical scum-him more credit somewhere so hm. I just don't know anymore.

Sleepy time.

Masquerade · Fri May 06, 2016 4:22 pm

Oh wow that was actually really bad what I just said about Pisskop N2. I'd vote me for that kinda stuff.

But I remembered thinking Pisskop was protected N2 because he claimed D2. Sorry about any confusion.

Really going to bed now!

Masquerade · Sat May 07, 2016 2:00 am

931 is what looks like Acryon thinking he got hammered.

In post 938, acryon wrote:Like no one actually has a decent reason at all to vote me. If people actually cared to take an interest in this game it would be fairly clear to them how bag this wagon is.

But given some other clown will probably come hammer me at any moment, Ranger is scum. Look at Masq and GNMG as well. Need to hope we get a couple scum there and also that KT loses access to the internet for town to win this one.

Here it's like Acryon knows Kain is town. But it's the only *bad* thing I can find. The iso is huge though so didn't read it all that carefully, just looked at when he thought he was hammered.
He shared my thoughts about Pisskop, and I can either think he's town because of sharing the same thoughts (we know at least one of us has to be town at this point so at least one of us was thinking that from a town-perspective) or scum that felt that he might have a shot at getting Pisskop misslynched on that fake guilty on Acryon Day 3. I can;t make up my mind on this.
I'd look at votes and reads from flipped scum but we already know scum bussed so that won't do much for me sadly.

Masquerade · Sun May 08, 2016 7:27 am

I like you already Rach.

Masquerade · Sun May 08, 2016 2:23 pm

I'll get to this later. I intended to read and answer earlier but I'm too tired rn. So sorry.
Will, I haven't forgotten about your question.

Masquerade · Mon May 09, 2016 6:33 am

Well here's another simple answer:
Klingon has avoided to come up with any scumread besides me. She changed her mind on me after I pointed out that my rolepm says I'm town just like she was claiming, and hasn't added anything else but prodges since I took her off L-1. It's like she didn;t want to be accused of being hypocritical and while that's not necessarily a scum-attribute, I do think Klingon as town wouldn't worry about it as much.

VOTE: Klingon

L-1 again.

Masquerade · Mon May 09, 2016 5:01 pm

Klingon if you flip town I'm blacklisting you for reasons that should be obvious to you.

Masquerade · Thu May 12, 2016 9:46 am

No.
Last time this happened town lost. And I was against it and killed the next night. And both remaining scum voted no-lynch first.
We talk.

Masquerade · Thu May 12, 2016 9:48 am

Then scum will kill the one person everyone townreads.
I mean, what's the difference between lynching scum today or tomorrow? Why can;t we figure it out now?

Masquerade · Thu May 12, 2016 9:53 am

Yeah I get it. The game I mentioned was a shitfest to begin with.

VOTE: no-lynch

Masquerade · Thu May 12, 2016 9:56 am

I'm secret but some people have figured it out I think.

Masquerade · Thu May 12, 2016 9:56 am

In post 1586, Masquerade wrote:Yeah I get it.
The game I mentioned was a shitfest to begin with
.

VOTE: no-lynch

Masquerade · Thu May 12, 2016 9:57 am

It hasn't been explaine to me before that clearly.

Masquerade · Thu May 12, 2016 12:46 pm

In post 1596, WillReplace4Food wrote:Are you gonna make me go find it :/

Yes and once you find it you're going to keep it to yourself and only use it for your own reference. Otherwise I could have just kept on using my main.

Anyway, after I objected to the no-lynch I realized some stuff I'd rather not get into today and now I'm kind of anxious to just end this day.

Masquerade · Thu May 12, 2016 10:27 pm

LOL.
Here's a hint for you: I'm not currently using my main.

Also,

I'm v/la for this weekend because busy with work and partying

so posting will be less frequent if I post at all.

Masquerade · Sat May 14, 2016 1:21 am

Ahw that's sad, good luck

So how about that no-lynch? Do you guys not want to anymore? Because after I actually thought about it I think it is actually the best thing to do this game.

Masquerade · Tue May 17, 2016 5:09 am

I'm so done with this game.

VOTE: abandon

Masquerade · Tue May 17, 2016 9:49 am

VOTE: no-lynch

Sorry got frustrated. Seriously though, what is it with this game?

Masquerade · Sat May 21, 2016 2:38 am

I think a massclaim is a horrible idea. Ocean, what will you gain from a massclaim?

Masquerade · Sat May 21, 2016 7:43 am

Im a react-first-think-later kind of player sometimes. So far I've never seen a massclaim be useful so I ask what you think to gain from it because you were the one to bring it up. But if we're doing this we are lynching today. And we are going to put in an effort to figure this out.
It's no use to no-lynch again if the scum isn't going to kill anyone. We can, eventually, force a draw if we can't figure it out but I think rn we have a good set of players to get this sorted.
I'm vt.
I'll be around.

Masquerade · Sat May 21, 2016 10:37 am

Oh that's perfect. I'm now pretty convinced Ocean is actually scum.

Masquerade · Sat May 21, 2016 11:22 am

No it's PoE. How about you actually read the game?

Masquerade · Sat May 21, 2016 11:52 am

Ocean, you keep insisting you are a vt? You;re not hiding a pr yourself and see if Will is going to fakeclaim something?

Masquerade · Sat May 21, 2016 1:20 pm

And I don't. They're wifom because of the possibility of scum no-killing. All we can do is talk about who our scumread is and then Will can consider those with his results and if he feels it's necessary to share something he can do that.

Masquerade · Sun May 22, 2016 3:39 am

There was a cop-claim Day 2. I assumed scum and doc(s?) targetted him.

Nahdia, a game of mine just finished where 1 scum was bussed by both his buddies Day 1. We know scum bussed in this game. I'm ignoring vca.

Masquerade · Sun May 22, 2016 4:37 am

The only reason we didn't lynch Acryon was because we believed he genuinely thought he was at L-1.
Since when are counting skills prohibited to one alignment?

VOTE: Ocean

Because I know it's not me and I'm not touching my townread on Nahdia and Will hasn't been cc'ed.

Will, what do you want from me if I'm town?

Masquerade · Sun May 22, 2016 4:45 am

Btw, I'm going to reinstall my pc, with formatting and everything, and I'm not sure how long it will take.

Masquerade · Sun May 22, 2016 4:47 am

In post 1725, OceanWind wrote:
In post 1723, Masquerade wrote:I'm not touching my townread on Nahdia
If you are town, this is stupid. You should re-evaluate Nahdia.

No I don't. I'm happy with this townread. If you don't agree, point out to me why she is scum.

Ocean go rtfg instead of getting Will to share his info of which he is explaining it's useless. Nobody is cc'ing him. What is the fucking point? Explain, in deatil, what you would gain from his info.

Masquerade · Sun May 22, 2016 4:49 am

You know, I'm reinstalling my pc and I'm damn sure it is going to take me all damn night and maybe even longer because Ocean is fucvking tiring me and I hope you guys (Will and Nahdia) see it too and vote him so we can finally end this shitshow of a game.

Masquerade · Sun May 22, 2016 5:59 am

I got frustrated. And I still am.

Ocean, I understand you want to discuss Will's target(s) but it does not matter one bit. He is conftown. We do not need to discuss his targets to determine his alignment. We were all already aware there had to be a pr left before you asked for a massclaim. All you accomplished today is that we now have to lynch because you wanted the pr to claim. Get out of your fucking informationtunnel and go read the game.
I am not rushing you. Take all the time you need. I am just saying that I don't care about fighting this anymore. Will, stop responding to Ocean asking for your info. I will not respond to anything but reads that have been made by reading the thread. I will respond to cases to me. I will respond to cases on Nahdia. I will not respond to cases on Will; he is conftown. I will not respond to cases on Ocean; as far as I'm concerned, he is scum.

Masquerade · Sun May 22, 2016 6:03 am

In post 1730, OceanWind wrote:And I'm aware of the implications if you used your role last night. You just didn't strike me as a bright enough guy to make the same conclusions I made i.e. if you blocked someone last night, I wasn't sure whether you had the brainpower to understand that that meant that that person was the remaining mafia. I wasn't sure where you had the brainpower to know that if you doc'd someone, that they were clear. You come across to me as a mental retard. Expecting me to assume that you function like a normal person is unreasonable.

OMG OCEAN HOW MUCH OF AN IDIOT CABN YOU BE WE ALL KNOW THERE IS A POSSIBILITY OF A NIO_KILL AND WILLS INFO WILL ONLY CAUSE WIFOM IF HE EVEN HAS INFO ABOUT LAST NIGHT TO SHARE SPO STOP AKING HIM TO CONFUSE ALL OF US AND GET LYNCHED ALREADY

Masquerade · Sun May 22, 2016 6:04 am

(backing up files is taking longer than expected)

Masquerade · Sun May 22, 2016 7:08 am

Ok putting everything in line here:
N1 a missing kill, I thought Ranger was heavily softing her role and it's very likely she protected GNMG from a kill that night. Vig flipped.
D2 SK got lynched. Only killing faction left now is scum, unless there is another town-vig. Cop claims.
N2 no kills. At least 1 kill was saved, possibly doc protecting claimed cop. Ranger softs a whole bunch more.
N6 no kills. Night before mylo, possibly a no-kill.
What we know: Will is a pr and has no useful information for us now. He is the only pr left because no cc's so we know there isn't another missed kill anywhere he could have prevented. We also now know he is a 1-shot doc and didn;t have a shot last night.
No matter who Will targetted early game, there is no hard evidence to gain from his target choices. Now if it was to determine his alignment I would certainly understand wanting to know who Will targetted because it helps us determine if he's lying about his role. But he can't be lying because nobody is cc'ing.

Masquerade · Sun May 22, 2016 7:09 am

I forgot to add the night where Ranger was killed and flipped doc. It was N3 iirc.

Masquerade · Mon May 23, 2016 2:03 am

UNVOTE:

Obviously Nahdia is no pr, I'm still a vt and I got 2 rolepm's for the same slot.. And Ocean should have cc'ed pages ago instead of getting worked up over Will's pr. The only thing that makes sense now is that Ocean thought we are in TTT and wanted to know what Will has to figure out if that works with his own role.
I still think Will is town because 1 we came into this day believing there was 1 pr left and I don't think scum would be so bold to claim it, and 2 because Will could have not said anything and pretend to be a pr and lead the lynch on any one of us for a win.
I'm now starting to get paranoid about my townread on Nahdia and I hate that.
Ocean, can you wheigh in while ignoring setup spec a while? I don't need more explanations as to why we need to do what you think we need to do. You were last in this game. We have a sort of dynamic. It happens when people hang in groups. So join us instead of forcing us to join you. Work with us. What are your thoughts?

Masquerade · Mon May 23, 2016 2:45 am

In post 1758, Nahdia wrote:Masq I appreciate a bit of healthy paranoia but seriously now, I'm town.

No need to worry yet, I'm waiting for Ocean to post his thoughts.

Masquerade · Mon May 23, 2016 3:26 am

It's a paranoia-inducing gamestate we're in, I get it. I can elaborate on my townread on you so everyone can see it's not fake or anything, but I want Ocean to post his thoughts first. He hasn't given us any reads at all, he has only been worrying about the pr. That's still scummy imo. Anyway, I wrote down all the setups possible (and I just now realize that when I said TTT I meant T in 1757) and if the mod did things correctly, we have to have at least one pr left.
And then there's this

In post 803, Armageddon wrote:
It has been brought to my attention that I have made a mod error in the distribution of roles. The game will continue as normal. Apologies for not catching the mistake sooner. Details will come at the end of the game

Vote count in next post

And I remembered this but confused it with another event where a mod replaced someone too soon and I can;t find anything about that inhere but I'm just going to take this as there not being a pr left here and we're all vt's vs a scum.

And this makes my feeling about Ocean being scum even stronger, because he clearly said he hadn't read the game, so he didn't know about this, and he may have thought he could have claimed a pr once he knew what other pr was left but there is no other pr left because mod made an oopsie.
And also, Acryon was a scumread of Ranger when she died so I'm still comfortable lynching him. Still, I want his thoughts and not rush anything so won't revote yet. Will, Nahdia, thoughts?

Masquerade · Mon May 23, 2016 5:15 am

Ocean, I'm not trying to rush you. But I want you to stop stalling and start reading the game and give us reads. I know it's hard going through 70 pages and I don't expect you to do it in a few hours.
I explained why I still think Will is town, what about that don't you agree with?

Masquerade · Mon May 23, 2016 5:29 am

No he did not.
Go read the game.

Masquerade · Mon May 23, 2016 5:36 am

I feel like Ocean took a look at the playerlist, took a look at the setup and flips, and decided he could win this game on pure setupspec and bluff.

Masquerade · Mon May 23, 2016 5:36 am

Ocean, stop making Will look bad and tell me why you don't agree with why I still think he's town even though he has admitted to not having a pr.

Masquerade · Mon May 23, 2016 5:37 am

I'll make it easy for you, here it is:

In post 1757, Masquerade wrote:I still think Will is town because 1 we came into this day believing there was 1 pr left and I don't think scum would be so bold to claim it, and 2 because Will could have not said anything and pretend to be a pr and lead the lynch on any one of us for a win.

Masquerade · Mon May 23, 2016 5:39 am

About 1, Will actually never claimed, we all just assumed because of us believing there had to be a pr left. And if scum thought there was 1 pr left I'd expect them to fish out the other pr and then cc or try and convince us we're in T instead of TTT.

Masquerade · Mon May 23, 2016 5:45 am

I take offense. I've been taking offense ever since you started this act. Stop calling us stupid and start working with us. Your tirade of calling us idiots is obviously not helping you changing our minds so you need to find another way of handling things.

Masquerade · Mon May 23, 2016 5:45 am

VOTE: Ocean

Masquerade · Mon May 23, 2016 6:53 am

In post 1797, WillReplace4Food wrote:I don't feel comfortable talking about the setup. All I know is there are 3 mafia, maybe a SK as well, and we need to lynch them.
We already have 2 down, 2 more scum to go.

So how was I not aware of a SK?

Masquerade · Mon May 23, 2016 6:55 am

I am seriously taking offense now Ocean. Stop insulting me by calling me stupid.
The only reason I'm not replacing out rn is because I don't want you guys to have a slot that cannot explain previous actions. Because I know I'm town. And I want to explain every single thing I did this game to help you guys see it. But I am ignoring Ocean for now.

Masquerade · Mon May 23, 2016 6:56 am

I mean, I get that you're frustrated rolling scum in a game where 2 players have long lasting townreads on each other and the 3rd just obvtowned himself. But try to actually play instead of resorting to namecalling in the hope that we will just give up. Grow up.

Masquerade · Mon May 23, 2016 6:57 am

NOBODY EVER SAID WILL WAS STILL CONFTOWN AFTER HE SAID HE WASNT PR I DONT EVEN KNOW HOW YOU CAME TO THAT CONCLUSION OMG OCEAN YOU ARE THE MOST IDIOTIC PLAYER EVER.

Masquerade · Mon May 23, 2016 6:58 am

Ye I need to leave.
Taking a cooldown of 24 hours.

Masquerade · Tue May 24, 2016 2:47 am

Yeah and why did you think I was voting Ocean? Because you just came to the point I already was when I made my vote. Yes, it was probably made out of frustration, but there's still a genuine scumread behind it.
Now unless Nahdia and Will can give me VERY good reasons to not vote Ocean, my vote is staying.
I know I'm town, I strongly believe Nahdia is town as well and same goes for Will. All Ocean has done so far is try to antagonize us and refute anything we say even when he agrees with it.

Masquerade · Tue May 24, 2016 2:48 am

That's just not town willing to work with others to figure this out. This is scum thinking he already had this in the bag.