Open 639: C9++ (Game Over!)

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VOTE: BBT

He knows why.

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Ok some stuff has happened lets see if I can come up with any reads.

Anyway i think you are nitpicking, as if you are trying to start a vagon. VOTE: BNL

Why is that bad?

if I happened to miss RVS because I was sleeping, and especially if we are already past page one, I will force myself to get reads, however weak it is.

I'm buying this. Town motivation to get out of RVS.

I like 80 by davesaz

VOTE: Charloux
He seems more interested in his appearance than in scum hunting.

I don't like that texcat voted with no real reasoning.

VOTE: Charloux
He seems more interested in his appearance than in scum hunting.

Really big impact coming from a guy whose only posts are votes with shallow or no reasoning.

Seems a bit overly defensive considering Charloux hasn't done much either.

The first scum to kill JaeReed gets a free pudding!
To collect the reward, just say you killed him when day 2 starts!

Rereading.

I'm having trouble working through charloux specifically saying the first scum to kill JR gets free pudding. Not a lynch. Quite possibly an off hand remark, but it gives me a feeling he knows something.

I agree with this criticism.

VOTE: Charloux

Better than an RVS vote.

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How about you do something pro town then?

Why is starting a wagon scummy? Is BNL your top scum read?

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I don't remember that i wrote starting the wagon is scummy though?
It's still too early for me to scum read anybody. Will do that once i check out everybody.

That is incorrect, as i went to sleep right after rasko's post; but then again he couldn't have known that.
Anyway i think you are nitpicking, as if you are trying to start a vagon. VOTE: BNL

I'm assuming vagon = wagon? You at least think it's worthy of a vote.

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If you post a real reason it's not RVS anymore. How is reading into things AI? Why is starting a wagon AI?

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AI = alignment indicative
NAI = not alignment indicative
OMGUS = Oh my god you suck (for voting me)
WIFOM = Wine in front of me (when scum says something that you think they think you think they wouldn't say and on and on so you get stuck in a loop [princess bride reference])

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scum looking to start a wagon

This is what I'm talking about. Does town not look to start wagons?

town who doesn't know what he should look for and instead just writes what comes to his mind.

We have to get out of RVS somehow.

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That was clearly a joke. I don't like that you are trying to spin it into something more.

VOTE: Kop

Charloux's defense to my pressure was fine.

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It's page five, I clearly didn't have a strong scum read on you I just wanted to see how you would react when pushed.

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Point is, it's clearly not worth of analysis. And yet you are trying to analyze it. That suggests to me that you are trying to make it look like you are doing something pro town. Have you read the entire game at this point? Are posts 38, 60, and 111 the only ones worthy of a comment?

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Maybe questioning is a better word?

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I didn't see anything scummy in response to me so I moved my vote.

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Nothing looked towny, but nothing looked scummy therefore I had no further questions on the matter. The questioning didn't change that I found those things to be potentially scummy, but I did have questions for Kop so I put my vote there. Questions are a bit more meaningful with a vote behind them.

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Because your case is weak.

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VOTE: MURDERCAT

I think you flipped off Charloux too early considering you were getting a lot of responses to him that seemed either contradictory or concerned about appearances. Care to explain how his responses weren't so in your opinion?

I'm not sure how I could explain this? No further questions came to mind. I said the answers were fine not that I was convinced Charloux is town. I moved my vote because I was questioning someone else. If you think there's something there why don't you ask the questions yourself?

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That was clearly a joke. I don't like that you are trying to spin it into something more.

I took it as something more than a joke and that didn't seem to bother you.

How so? After post 60 you quoted it and just said OK and moved your vote. I assumed that meant that you understood it was a joke. Kop is looking more into it

after

the explanation and hasn't commented much on anything else. I found it odd that this was worthy of a comment but not much else is.

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He quoted the explanation...

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Lol

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@JR: Ranger is likely just grouping people of equal levels of towniness/scumminess. Multiple people in a group doesn't mean she has associatives lumping them all together (although in some cases she could). You're reading too much into the mason thing.

More than likely. I'd rather rule it out for her just in case. I'd also rather continue to have faith in her. I can do that by believing Rask didn't move up the list because it's a mason grouping. That's making a huge assumption that scummish = bottom, mind you. She could very well have most town at bottom, though I don't see how we'd three be grouped there in that case either. I can see the grouping as "if one of these are scum they all are", or "at least one of these are scum", or "possible masons". I can't see a reason to townread us based off our P1 interactions without having a fair idea of our individual personalities and mindsets.

I think I've only half skimmed a game ranger was in, but my understanding is that trying to understand the lists is a bit pointless and that if she wants to communicate something directly she will.

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Jae I appreciate your inexperience being new an all that, but I think your being overly defensive, and trying to reiterate the point; your new.

I noticed this as well and was going to post something to that effect, but glancing at another game shows it's consistent.

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I'd also rather continue to have faith in her.

Why?

She's a good player, but she could be scum. She certainly hasn't put up enough content for you to have a town read on her.

Ranger typically scum reads me as town. Yet, she has me at the top of her list this game. The last time she had me at or near the top of her D1 reads lists, she was scum:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=65468

I think I've only half skimmed a game ranger was in, but my understanding is that trying to understand the lists is a bit pointless and that if she wants to communicate something directly she will.

This goes for you too haha.

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Fair enough

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Yeah the finished one. I've noticed you tend to say more than what's strictly necessary to make your point, if you know what I mean (I'll find an example). Scum may over explain in this way because they are worried about being caught. However I noticed it in that newbie as well and you were town there.

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To elaborate on the whole this is my first non-newbie comment, since it's separate from the next paragraph...

I wanted to clear up to Ranger if she thought we were masons. I, at least, am not. The other 2 reasons is that she scumreads us or has us in some kind of "there's scum somewhere in this" grouping. I won't bother to ask her to elaborate because I don't think she will this early on based off what I've seen of her. I think she likes to hold off as long as possible and I'd rather give her time to work her magic if she's town. If she's scum it'll probably show in her reads eventually. Clearing up a possible misconception allows me to see if it changes what her reads are. If it doesn't, it means she's scumreading us which is fine for now.

I may be placing too much faith in her, but I believe she's too good of a player to scumread a townie all the way to the end of D1 so long as D1 lasts as long as it should. I get that I can be read as scummy, which would implicate Rask or Charl (really slim chance it's both of them). It's whatever for the moment since it's still early and I know she'll work it out. (No pressure though since I know people have bad games)

Like here, you're just saying a lot of stuff in order to explain what you are talking about when you probably didn't have to. If it's a playstyle thing that's fine, but if I had noticed you didn't do this in your other game or if you were scum in that game I would have called you on it.

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Like I said, it's fine, I just wanted to know if it was a potential scum tell.

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Whoops must have missed it. I just think vague statements like that don't mean anything. I want to know exactly where a read is coming from and why. If there had been other posts leading up to that it would have been fine, but there weren't any. As of 132 it's not really relevant though, he explained himself there.

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She* sorry texcat.

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herself*

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VOTE: Charloux
He seems more interested in his appearance than in scum hunting.

You don't think that's vague? I'm not going to let people hide behind statements like that because scum can easily post shit like that. Scum has a much harder time building genuine cases. I wanted to see quotes and examples which she eventually provided.

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Why are you commenting on that post again?

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I just think it's a bit strange that you are commenting on a post that you've already commented on.

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Only if I'm stretching

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Or you are trying to make it look like you are rereading the game.

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It's not true wifom because town would do it genuinely and scum would do it to look like town, there are no layers past that. It's just very hard to tell whether it was done genuinely or not. However saying one of your actions is townie when it isn't,

that

I find scummy.

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I disagree because I consider wifom to have a sort of circular nature. Figuring out whether someone is town or trying to act like town is just the game. No point in debating that though. I do still think calling out your own NAI action as townie is scummy.

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Dave asked you that not me, it seems reasonable enough although I think your comment on 185 is a little unfair.

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Haha exactly what I was thinking. If you're making a mini game out of that counter expect me to play...

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Nooooooooo

Rekt

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Charloux you are crazy if you think you are getting lynched on page 11 when we started 2 days ago.

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This is silly.

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The overreactions

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Shit I was so close

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I don't know what you're reading but we aren't even at L-1 are we? There's been no claim. Hell we're still missing a slot. How'd you get such a strong town read anyway?

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You still get a claim before a lynch. My point is we aren't close to lynching you so I don't know wtf you guys are on about. I certainly don't know why JR is defending you so hard.

VOTE: JR

Mostly null on Kop, I wanna know why you are defending so hard.

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You can't rely on a meta read if you don't know what the persons scum game is like. I think you only have a read this strong if you already know who town is.

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Explain how the reactions are for sure town.

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That's interesting ^

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Because JR is here white knighting.

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V/LA until Tuesday

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I'm vaguely skimming when I can, will weigh in fully tomorrow.

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Ok let's do this. Last game I have to catch up in!

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Well at least i tried, but you will never find my partner.
VOTE: Charloux

Welp, I suck. Confirmed.

I thought there was a chance of you being SK, but not mafia. And if you're trolling and just self hammered as town...

I really don't like how JR considered the possibility that Char could have been town here. Like how do you read that and think maybe char is actually town?

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Prod dodge.
Expect something from me by tonight.

I think it's pretty annoying we are on day 2 and someone hasn't even posted yet.

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It's not playing against win con if he legitimately thought he could unvote. There's nothing in the rules this game specifically stating that unvotes don't count after a majority has been reached.

See ^^

Like, JR is really on the char is town side of of the coin here. I don't think the same thing applies to Rask in 335 because I think the tone is different.

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Weird night kills, I don't know what to make of that yet.

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The ONLY reason ranger would vote Charloux would be if she was doc, and she seems to be claiming it. Which is possible. 1 in 20000. Her soft claim was obvious when she voted Charloux. I thought "oh nice! Charloux lied, ranger doc" it didn't take a genius to think that's why ranger voted Charloux...

So why didn't scum target her?

This is actually a great point. I wasn't feeling the ranger case until now.

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Ok I have thoughts but the case against Ranger is good enough that I need a claim. But it seems too straightforward which always makes my gut feel funny.

VOTE: Ranger

Claim. Now.

L-1

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There's no benefit in not claiming at this point for town ranger. If ranger is doctor then fine, that's what scum assumed, she was already a target. If she is a different PR then she will get killed anyway because scum thinks she is doctor. If she is VT then claiming gives basically no info away. Ranger explain why you won't claim if you don't agree with this logic.

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Just so I understand Kop, you are agreeing that town ranger has no reason to refuse claiming, correct?

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And despite everything you said, scum still has strong motivation to kill someone claiming doctor even if they might be able to get a mislynch.

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I'm not 100% sold but ranger should really claim.

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I think I forgot to respond to 505.

Dave, I didn't have an issue with the reason, I had an issue with the lack of a more in depth explanation.

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Interesting. Thoughts about dave? Dave are you SK?

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SK would aim for scum though so that's good. I'm assuming it's not vig because SK is more likely and the first shot doesn't make sense for a vig.

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No lynch?

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It's pretty wifomy that she only listed you by name. Means she was talking to town there, not scum buddies.

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What people are for sure not getting lynched in your opinion?

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I think we should no lynch right now or claim. No way we are lynching without everyone claiming.

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I explained why I went off char pretty clearly. What about those posts pings you? I hadn't even ISOd ranger, I was planning on doing that but obviously I didn't have to.

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Isn't our goal to kill SK today? Correct me if I'm wrong. Plus Ranger had just posted about it.

Like I said about ranger I hadn't ISOd her and wasn't scum reading her at that point but the odds of her claim and her refusing to claim were enough to force her to claim.

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Depends on the lynch today. If it's a mislynch then scum should be able to hit town pretty easily. Which means SK has to go for scum or they lose (right?).

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I'm assuming that per considered that and still thought it was worth it to claim.

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I think the best course of action right now will be to see who is bussing Ranger so I'm going to look at that stuff real quick.

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Right now I'm saying Kop, me, Per, Bella are town
Lane and BNL are scum
Dave is SK

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I think ranger probably says 'I'm getting lynched so someone come out hard and bus me' so that makes me suspect Lane. And BNL looked like they were setting up your mislynch.

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I am pretty sure dave is either town or SK.

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I hadn't looked at the setup page yet, this was while I was catching up.

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There's a lot of wall between 434 and 459. Bella didn't think about it either.

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Because I think the bus was set up.

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What are you feeling right now bella?

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Why is that unreasonable bnl?

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@Mod

Are we in prod or replace territory with kop?

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There's 4 town. Unless CC'd me and bella are town. So,

I want everyone to say who they think the last town is

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Dave answer this?

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BNL you too please.

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Lol that's a misrep. I'm saying that ranger knew she was dead and scum were likely to bus her. Is that unreasonable?

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It seems like you went from BNL is town by a hair to murder is obviously scum, wanna explain that transition?

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That page top though.

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My bad, you are right about that.

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And you keep saying you pushed her before her vote but I honestly don't think it was that hard.

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Why do you think its more likely I drove a train of busses over her, than pushed obviously scum to a lynch?

Because I think Ranger knows she's dead after doc flip. I still don't really know why she made that play. Why do you think I'm considering that you could be town?

As for Kop, I'm not totally sure between kop and bnl, I don't know if it's just that kop hasn't posted that much so I don't see as much scummy stuff, but I see some scummy stuff from bnl. I'll be more confident after the replacement probably.

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There's 4 town. Unless CC'd me and bella are town. So,

I want everyone to say who they think the last town is

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Dave answer this?

BNL you too please.

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Who is scum and who is sk?

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Rekt

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I think we should wait for the catch up

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Why will they target me? Because they think I'm scum?

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Have I really played that poorly?

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I think Dave is SK, but why not gather more information? It certainly doesn't hurt anything.

That's good. I admit that I don't look good there at all. Unfortunately, my non commitment was due to not having reread her ISO, which I always do before looking for a lynch. Had someone given intent to hammer I would have unvoted to give myself time. However the fact that she wouldn't claim was ridiculous so I knew my vote would end up on her until she did that. FWIW, I would have bussed the shit out of her if I were scum, which is why I think Lane is probably scum. Ranger clearly knew she was dead, hence the quick self-vote. Lane clearly believed the doctor claim (which is suspicious, considering the self vote made Char look like obv scum and before he wanted to lynch her), but honestly didn't push ranger that hard. Then Day 2 starts and Lane starts pushing much harder. I think because Ranger said to during night.

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His scumhunting is better? Really? Yeah it's easy to scum hunt when you know who's scum already. Gimme a break.

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Too quick

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Oh shit, I thought you accused Ranger of being scum for voting char before the flip........................

Sorry, I'm an idiot

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Yeah I know, post number got mixed up in my notes. Oh well, I'll probably get lynched for this which is unfortunate but you have no reason to believe me.

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If you look at how Dave talks about SK, I think it's pretty clear it's him.

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This is what everyone would say though.

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Kop please post more reasoning.

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VOTE: Dave

No point waiting anymore.

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What does no lynch accomplish again?

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It could be either SK or Vig, and I'm a little suspicious of how SK is being emphasized so much. If it is a vig we don't want them outed, but it helps to consider both angles. Might a vig have targeted either one? Slow BBT might have been seen as scummy and a vig target. Again, not sure about Ras from that perspective.

This doesn't ping you though?

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So far we have DDMMC with two letters unaccounted for. For multiple kills both nights it has to be either full vig (VV) or one letter and one T. The TT setup does not have a SK.

pedit: I pretty much always re-evaluate at beginning of day. Persivul was looking pretty town to me.

Also here if he knows he is T then he knows it's not vig.

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Yeah exactly. And acting like it's a good idea to not talk about the SK. Both look bad to me. Plus, acting like he didn't know if there was an SK in the game when it should have been obvious there was if he was T which I assume he is claiming/will claim.

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Well hopefully he's not town, I really don't think so.

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Of course now she makes us wait....

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Doesn't she have some sort of alert system set up for when the next post will be a pagetop? It should have triggered.

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Sk or mafia doesn't matter anymore just gotta lynch scum today.

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Honestly thought it was Dave because of those posts I quoted. I'll have to reread. You have any thoughts?

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Ok here's the plan. If you are town, give your best guess for scum and your best guess for SK. If you are scum, just give best SK guess. If you are SK just give best scum guess. Go.

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If there's arguments for both, maybe they are both crap? I can't have acted like both all game.

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Scum has no motivation to block, right? SK would aim confirmed townie not scum.

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I don't understand how it would be in scum's interest to roleblock and how that's not objectively worse than letting the SK try to kill the other confirmed townie or why SK would ever try to shoot scum when there's 2 confirmed townies left.

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I didn't even start the conversation, and then you are trying to say I faked a town slip.

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Lane do you think I'm scum or SK?

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Honestly there needs to be more from Kop for me to make a read, he just hasn't really done anything all game (which is maybe scummy itself but still I won't be confident about him either way until I see more).

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And kop too

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I don't know how you feel like going about today Pers, but I think it will be easier to find the last mafia member than the SK. I admit I made a mistake and my analysis was wrong about lane so he probably is not mafia. Between BNL and kop though I don't know which is more likely to be mafia. It's possible kop activity pattern is scum laying low, but I think it's at least partly genuine busyness or disinterest or whatever because he was being replaced at one point. The points above are reasonable but I don't think they are that convincing.

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Answer the question Lane, I can't be both.

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Oh wait I see, I thought you were just calling me scum lol.

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You think I bussed Dave though?

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Yeah but it's easier for SK to look town (at least I think so). I'm just saying if it comes down to lynching someone who looks like mafia or someone who looks like SK we should lynch mafia as that seems like a safer bet.

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Why so aggressive? Neither of them are around right now and neither have a ton of useful content.

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I'm sk and scum apparently but the only evidence is the ranger wagon even though BNL was late to jump on and Kop didn't at all.

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Jesus is that hammer?

I'm town..

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Honestly the only case against me is that I was weird around the Ranger wagon. I'm not even sure BNL is town so I don't know if it's even worth trying there. Tell me why you think I'm scum and I'll explain why I did what I did.

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Ok

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First compare my day 1 posts to BNL and Kop. I currently don't think lane is scum, but he could be SK.

Spoiler: MC Day 1

92,96,98,102,107 - These posts are all me actively pushing someone who, to be honest, seemed a bit off. Aka doing actual scum hunting.
111,117 - Here I switch to questioning Kop because I think that Charl looks fine and Kop's entrance is super weird. I hate playing the "if I were scum" game, but if I were scum there's no reason to not push Charl more there. I genuinely decided that Kop looked more scummy, that's why I switched.
179,190 I defend a townie who is receiving pressure.
283 Here I move to JR instead of Charl who was floundering. If I'm scum I just go add more pressure there.

Spoiler: Kop Day 1

I already talked about how I didn't like Kop's entrance.
108,110,116 Kop starts the game like this with no scum hunting at all, just a weak attempt to add pressure to Charl.
171 Kop continues to do nothing, no scum hunting at all, everyone is a town read.

Literally that's pretty much it from Kop on day 1. There's 0 scum hunting at all, at any point.

Spoiler: BNL Day 1

I still think BNL's first posts are ok, despite what others thought.
142 is interesting, BNL asked a question to 2 scum and a townie. I probably wouldn't do that if I were scum.
68, 186, 346 Are all examples of what BNL does all day 1, random questioning that never really goes anywhere.

So just based on day 1 I think that it's clear that I'm doing much more scum hunting than BNL or Kop. So even if you think that I'm scummy, don't pretend like Kop or BNL are so super townie that I'm an obvious lynch.

Other days coming later.

Note: Lane was on the Charl; Kop, BNL, and I were all off, so more evidence Lane probably isn't scum.

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I thought I was hammered because I thought I had a vote on me from yesterday

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Day 2:

MC:
I'm V/LA and not that involved on the push on ranger. When I get back she hasn't claimed which is obviously called for so I put her at L-1. Honestly, I don't even see the point against me here while rereading it. I was V/LA at the start of the wagon and when I got back Ranger was not claiming so it's obvious that needed to happen before anything else. Like you say I was hesitant but I voted her to L-1 and forced her to claim.

Kop:
545,550 Kop is trying to defend Ranger here by saying that scum is trying to pull a weird gambit instead of killing her after claiming PR.
He also acts kind of weird on the topic of her claiming, acting as if she must be town refusing to claim and not really considering her to be scum.

BNL:
Basically the same as me, looks to catch up but sees enough to put Ranger at L-1.
530 Looks like it could potentially be setting up a 1 for 1.

Note: BNL, Lane and I are all on Ranger, Kop is off.

Honestly this game is not nearly as clear cut as you think, look back at BNL and Kop and tell me you can sort them easily. Let's at least have a discussion before you lynch me.

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So take your vote off me because I'm telling you you're wrong and I'm town. You don't have kop sorted and either your read on BNL or lane is wrong. Give me a chance to defend myself because at least one of BNL or kop would be really happy they aren't the ones getting pressured and if they see me at L-1 they will probably hammer me.

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Gun to my head I'd say we should lynch kop but I don't see why we have to rush into voting when the day just started and we have not a lot of content from Kop and BNL is still tough to sort. I'm not sold on Lane as town yet, but this is my first game with an SK so I don't really know what to be looking for other than the type of stuff Dave posted.

VOTE: Kop

I don't want anyone at L-1 so no one else should vote him yet.

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Man I just said I don't want anyone at L-1

UNVOTE:

This is basically Lylo, I don't know why you are throwing your vote around.

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I guess that's true. You have more experience with ranger than me, is looking through her lists going to be useful or pure wifom?

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I do see that she avoided talking about Kop in a couple spots.

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Ok I think Lane and BNL both genuinely don't know who scum is. That makes kop the scum. Honestly not sure about SK. Does Lane push ranger any differently as SK or town? He would want mafia lynched as much as town does, right?

VOTE: Kop

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God damn you guys give no fucks lol.

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He never used the shot, did he? I was hoping he was blocker.

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I guess I just read that as I missed my block but yeah I guess that doesn't make sense because he would have told us who he targeted.

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Reading isos tomorrow when I have some time, I'll probably look at vote counts too because we have so many of them (thanks mod!).

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I had to catch up in all those other games and I know this will take a while to do properly. I might be able to get to it in a couple hours.

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Ok I can be ready to vote by tonight.

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Spoiler: The important vote counts, now with color

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BlueBloodedToffee

[1] MURDERCAT

davesaz

[1]

Raskolnikov

MURDERCAT [1]

davesaz

Persivul

[1] lane0168

Ranger

[2]

Persivul

,

BlueBloodedToffee

Not Voting [7]

Ranger

,

alban

, BulletNLynchproof,

Texcat

,

Kop

,

JaeReed

,

Charloux

1.2

BlueBloodedToffee

[1] MURDERCAT
BulletNLynchproof [2] lane0168,

Charloux

Charloux

[1]

Persivul

davesaz

[1]

Raskolnikov

JaeReed

[1]

Texcat

lane0168 [1] BulletNLynchproof
MURDERCAT [1]

davesaz

Ranger

[1]

BlueBloodedToffee

Not Voting [4]

Ranger

,

alban

,

Kop

,

JaeReed

1.3

BlueBloodedToffee

[1] MURDERCAT
BulletNLynchproof [2] lane0168,

Charloux

Charloux

[2]

Texcat

,

davesaz

davesaz

[1]

Raskolnikov

JaeReed

[1]

Persivul

lane0168 [1] BulletNLynchproof

Ranger

[1]

BlueBloodedToffee

Not Voting [4]

Ranger

,

alban

,

Kop

,

JaeReed

1.4
BulletNLynchproof [1]

Charloux

Charloux

[4]

Texcat

,

davesaz

, lane0168, MURDERCAT

davesaz

[1]

Raskolnikov

JaeReed

[1]

Persivul

lane0168 [1] BulletNLynchproof

Ranger

[1]

BlueBloodedToffee

Not Voting [4]

Ranger

,

alban

,

Kop

,

JaeReed

1.5
BulletNLynchproof [1]

Charloux

Charloux

[3]

Texcat

,

davesaz

, lane0168

davesaz

[2]

Raskolnikov

,

BlueBloodedToffee

JaeReed

[1]

Persivul

Kop

[1] MURDERCAT
lane0168 [1] BulletNLynchproof
Not Voting [4]

Ranger

,

alban

,

Kop

,

JaeReed

1.6 -- No change

1.7 -- No change

1.8
BulletNLynchproof [1]

Charloux

Charloux

[4]

Texcat

,

davesaz

, lane0168,

Persivul

davesaz

[2]

Raskolnikov

,

BlueBloodedToffee

Kop

[1] MURDERCAT
lane0168 [1] BulletNLynchproof
Not Voting [4]

Ranger

,

alban

,

Kop

,

JaeReed

1.9
BulletNLynchproof [1]

Charloux

Charloux

[5]

Texcat

,

davesaz

, lane0168,

Persivul

,

Raskolnikov

davesaz

[1]

BlueBloodedToffee

Kop

[1] MURDERCAT
lane0168 [1] BulletNLynchproof
Not Voting [4]

Ranger

,

alban

,

Kop

,

JaeReed

1.10

Charloux

[5]

Texcat

,

davesaz

, lane0168,

Persivul

,

Raskolnikov

davesaz

[1]

BlueBloodedToffee

Kop

[1] MURDERCAT
lane0168 [1] BulletNLynchproof
Not Voting [5]

Ranger

,

alban

,

Kop

,

JaeReed

,

Charloux

1.11

Charloux

[5]

Texcat

,

davesaz

, lane0168,

Persivul

,

Raskolnikov

davesaz

[1]

BlueBloodedToffee

JaeReed

[1] MURDERCAT
lane0168 [1] BulletNLynchproof

Persivul

[1]

JaeReed

Not Voting [4]

Ranger

,

alban

,

Kop

,

Charloux

1.12

Charloux

[7]

Texcat

,

davesaz

, lane0168,

Persivul

,

Raskolnikov

,

Ranger

,

Charloux

davesaz

[1]

BlueBloodedToffee

JaeReed

[1] MURDERCAT
lane0168 [1] BulletNLynchproof

Persivul

[1]

JaeReed

Not Voting [2]

alban

,

Kop

2.1

davesaz

[1]

Persivul

Ranger

[1] lane0168
Not Voting [8]

Ranger

,

alban

, MURDERCAT, BulletNLynchproof,

Texcat

,

Kop

,

JaeReed

,

davesaz

2.2

davesaz

[1]

Persivul

Ranger

[2] lane0168,

Texcat

Not Voting [7]

Ranger

,

alban

, MURDERCAT, BulletNLynchproof,

Kop

,

JaeReed

,

davesaz

2.3

davesaz

[1]

Persivul

lane0168 [1] BulletNLynchproof

Ranger

[2] lane0168,

Texcat

Not Voting [6]

Ranger

, Bellaphant, MURDERCAT,

Kop

,

JaeReed

,

davesaz

2.4
lane0168 [1] BulletNLynchproof

Ranger

[3] lane0168,

Texcat

,

Persivul

Not Voting [6]

Ranger

, Bellaphant, MURDERCAT,

Kop

,

JaeReed

,

davesaz

2.5

davesaz

[1]

Ranger

lane0168 [1] BulletNLynchproof

Ranger

[4] lane0168,

Texcat

, Bellaphant,

davesaz

Not Voting [4] MURDERCAT,

Kop

,

JaeReed

,

Persivul

2.6

davesaz

[1]

Ranger

Ranger

[4] lane0168,

Texcat

, Bellaphant,

davesaz

Not Voting [5] MURDERCAT,

Kop

,

JaeReed

,

Persivul

, BulletNLynchproof

2.7

davesaz

[1]

Ranger

Ranger

[5] lane0168, Bellaphant,

davesaz

, BulletNLynchproof, MURDERCAT
Not Voting [4]

Kop

,

JaeReed

,

Persivul

,

Texcat

2.8
BulletNLynchproof [1]

JaeReed

davesaz

[1]

Ranger

Ranger

[5] lane0168, Bellaphant,

davesaz

, BulletNLynchproof, MURDERCAT
Not Voting [3]

Kop

,

Persivul

,

Texcat

2.9
BulletNLynchproof [1]

JaeReed

Ranger

[6] lane0168, Bellaphant,

davesaz

, BulletNLynchproof, MURDERCAT,

Ranger

Not Voting [3]

Kop

,

Persivul

,

Texcat

[MURDERCAT]

For these counts, Kop is considered not scum.

Voted with scum:
Lane - 4
MC - 3
BNL - 2

Voted by scum:
Lane - 0
MC - 1
BNL - 0

Voted for scum:
Lane - 1
MC - 1
BNL - 1

[MURDERCAT]

I really doubt there were 3 scum and 3 town on Char day 1, especially not in that order. Lane, I'm thinking you are town.

[MURDERCAT]

Can we talk about night 2 real quick? Why did Tex die and why did JR die? I think it's interesting that JR died with their vote on BNL.

[MURDERCAT]

Ok ISOs coming later, now I have something to guide them.

[MURDERCAT]

You around lane?

[MURDERCAT]

I have specific questions for lane but ai can ask you too I guess.

What do you make of the night kills? All of them actually, if you don't mind.

[MURDERCAT]

Kop unfortunately didn't give us any reads to go on. You think JR was Kop's kill? I guess that makes sense as JR probably would have taken heat after the ranger flip.

[MURDERCAT]

jesus

[MURDERCAT]

I'm looking through BNLs iso and I see a lot of scummy stuff. The early posting you noted is pretty scummy, it looks like BNL trying to do something.
BNL was basically ignoring ranger on day 2
In mylo, BNL was casually suggesting a no lynch

[MURDERCAT]

The one thing I can't shake is how you picked up on ranger scum so quickly. I just felt like you had to know ranger was scum based on how early/hard you pushed it.

[MURDERCAT]

I honestly don't see myself coming to the conclusion that lane is scum. No reason to drag this out.

VOTE: BNL

[MURDERCAT]

At least I got second in pagetops if we lose.

[MURDERCAT]

Lane if you see this post so I know you aren't hammering (if you aren't)

[MURDERCAT]

lane please

[MURDERCAT]

you scum?

[MURDERCAT]

I'm town

[MURDERCAT]

holy shit

[MURDERCAT]

this fucking game

[MURDERCAT]

jesus christ

[MURDERCAT]

swear I'm town

[MURDERCAT]

VOTE: murder

UNVOTE:

The first scum to kill JaeReed gets a free pudding!
To collect the reward, just say you killed him when day 2 starts!

If I die I want this lynched

He's probably not a PR this game.

Probability and all that.

Plus I need him in the dead thread with me so we can fight getting each other killed

VOTE: JaeReed
Hunting PRs is a scum mentality, like Charloux said.

On a side note, I also mildly dislike Lane's #20 as it was a conversation killer between JR, Charloux and Rask.

VOTE: bnl

No fucks at all

[MURDERCAT]

thank god

[MURDERCAT]

also pagetop

[MURDERCAT]

Thanks for modding! You were wonderful!

[MURDERCAT]

Hahaha true true

[MURDERCAT]

I get a little stressed over pagetops while I'm sleeping

I thought the flair was fun!

[MURDERCAT]

Scummy { Dave, Ranger, BNL}

Good job to you too, what a call.

[MURDERCAT]

Haha by the skin of my teeth...

[MURDERCAT]

Also RE: plot in the dead thread, I totally agree about the odds argument on ranger being bs, that's why I wasn't buying it until the 'why didn't she die?' argument.

[MURDERCAT]

Thanks! In my first game BBT rekt me (us) in mylo (see: my RVS vote) so it's nice to get a lylo win! I'm also over .500 (2-1)!

[MURDERCAT]

Appreciate the compliment about finding the Dave slip by the way, unfortunately I was wrong about him being the SK but at least I was sure we weren't lynching town.

[MURDERCAT]

Thank you for not lynching me!

[MURDERCAT]

And to think, I joined this setup because I wanted something other than Vt...

[MURDERCAT]

You acted like you didn't know setup when you would have, even as town.

[MURDERCAT]

So far we have DDMMC with two letters unaccounted for. For multiple kills both nights it has to be either full vig (VV) or one letter and one T. The TT setup does not have a SK.

pedit: I pretty much always re-evaluate at beginning of day. Persivul was looking pretty town to me.

Also here if he knows he is T then he knows it's not vig.

[MURDERCAT]

It's not that it's wrong it's just weird to be thinking about if you are a T. Why are you talking about there being a full vig if you know that's not the case?

[MURDERCAT]

Really? The whole point of the post was to try to figure out the setup, seems odd he would stop when as T he would know exactly what setup we are in. At first I didn't think about it because I was thinking he could just be the other letter trying to hide it or a v, but once the letters were accounted for I found it again.

I was very nervous on day 3, I really thought we were screwed.

[MURDERCAT]

Read what he said again. If he was a T he would know that there is no vig and there is an SK. He says that himself basically.

[MURDERCAT]

Gotta get that scum thread too

[MURDERCAT]

Still waiting on BNL for scum thread?