Open 659- Jungle Republic

[Vedith]

Post later, and all.

[Vedith]

So, how is everyone?

[Vedith]

VOTE: Transcend
Trans is scum, quick lynch before he posts.

[Vedith]

Can we make the game moving?

Vote with me.
This is 100% a Trans scum game.

[Vedith]

Tenshii is so good at Mafia. I shouldn't have joined as he just got scum spot on.
Btw I know Trans is scum as he's my buddy. I'm pro town though so you can lynch me last.

[Vedith]

It's not arguable at all lol.

[Vedith]

Because me and Trans are best friends and I read him like a book.

[Vedith]

Thank God Tenshii is town!

[Vedith]

veddith u haven't been town in a single completed game with me

u have nevfr had to actually read me since u have known my alignment each game lol

Just like I know your alignment (scum) now?
You heard it here first, I always know Trans alignment...

[Vedith]

why are you playing so cautious

Stop coaching your buddy :<

[Vedith]

u will get policy lynched d1

like i'm sure it will happen if i want it to lol

I won't get policy lynched. You can take my word on that.
I know 100% for a fact that you are scum best buddy! You give it away toooooo easily.

[Vedith]

Dark... :<

[Vedith]

Doesn't that defeat the purpose?

[Vedith]

Io vote Trans for me.
Unless you're his scum buddy then don't worry about voting him in your next post.

[Vedith]

I thought so. The way you were coasting the game.

[Vedith]

1 v 1 it is.
Everyone either vote me or Trans.

[Vedith]

No! You bring it!
Get all your buddies to bus you go on, do it.

[Vedith]

Vedith is a tyrant who must be toppled.

You and Trans scum will be taken out don't worry.

[Vedith]

So if I'm trying to mis lynch you you must think of me as scum, yet no vote?
So you are worried of connecting yourself to Trans so quickly.

Easy game, easy money.

[Vedith]

BTD not reading the game makes him also scum, but other the same team as Io and Trans.
This game is too easy.

[Vedith]

I am reading the game

Yet Trans said about the 1 v 1 first and you sah I did...
Nice reading BTD... Your 'reads' are as shit as ever.

[Vedith]

BTD...

[Vedith]

Help me, Vedith. We know this is not your town game.

You don't know shit.

[Vedith]

K I'm sober now are you gonna stop being a douche and play the game

Or are you gonna experience a rope around your neck.

I'm happy to be lynched if it means you are tomorrow.
I know exactly when you are scum and you are scum now.
If you're werewolf seer will get you tonight anyway.

[Vedith]

OK but seriously PLing Vedith aside Realeo is scum.

Policy lynches are done by shit players... hey, what do you know...

[Vedith]

There's one completed game of town!Vedith and me so actually I can talk about that.

My experinece of town!Vedith was he was serious from the get go. He was being analytical. When he say "I read him like like a book", ugh this is not you?

Real don't be a dumbest here. Cheers buddy.

[Vedith]

Trans please don't be scum again.

Scum buddy claim

[Vedith]

Trasncend vs Vedith is probably TvT.

VOTE: Shamu

@Shamu Do you have reads?

Don't be stupid its never thought t v t.
See how quickly Io and Trans want to get off voting me?

My lynch means Trans lynch tomorrow and probably Io from there...

[Vedith]

im on the verge of replacing out because playing with vedith is insufferable lol

This is scum AtE.

[Vedith]

He's not acting serious.

I'm 100% serious.
Trans is scum. Learn his meta and anyone that is smarter than a 3 year old will see that this is scum. Trans is one of these players that are very obvious.
He tries to push me off the subject by threatning a 1 v 1, I call him out for it and take the 1 v 1, he tries to back out of it.
I keep pressuring him, he pretends he will leave the game. And yes, he is only pretending to want to leave, this is what AtE is. He would never leave from that and people buying it are seriously dumb.
Town Trans wouldn't be "OMG I'M SO SENSITIVE" he would be "FUCK YOU VEDITH!"... True story.

However, if you're going to vote me, do it and stop asking for advice from others.

I am not taking my vote off Trans until 1 of us are dead.

[Vedith]

Trans is pretty consistent with his play until an action alters it. This is as town or scum.
Look at any game where Trains is town, look at games where he is scum.
He is posting exactly like he does as scum.
Trans town doesn't give a shit what people think of him, Trans scum does.

[Vedith]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=68153

Scum.

Http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=67932

Town

I'm at work so these are games I have been in but you can see his consistent scum or town tell in other games that don't have me in.

[Vedith]

Don't be stupid its never thought t v t.
See how quickly Io and Trans want to get off voting me?

Are you just conf-biased cuz I don't see it.

P-Edit: Ok I see it, but I don't see why scum!Trans attempts to back off when he's winning the wagon war 4-2.

Because I'm flipping town all day numb nuts...
Also the wagon on me wasn't an overall threat. 2 of the wagon are on the same scum team, draws too much attention. You just don't want to going into day 2 with a dead town screaming you were scum as scum.

Also, why did you think I'm being biased then change your mind after he got another vote?

[Vedith]

this could just be an empty threat

Exactly this

[Vedith]

You don't have a wildcard playstyle though.
And it's just pressure right now, why are you worried about being lynched already?

[Vedith]

That's a lie.

[Vedith]

Version you've still not really backed up your meta. You just posted 2 games and not any detail or quotes from them to back up your point.

I mean, you can be try to be less lazy and 1 read what I said in the game about it and 2 read those games and his general meta...
Oh wait.... You're his scum buddy coming to his aid... again.
You two make it so obvious.

[Vedith]

Doesn't that mean night day phase from sun moon and locked etc?

[Vedith]

It's just a counter wagon to scum.

[Vedith]

You should be lynched for such shit reads alone. What happened with the "OMG I'm so sensative, I'm quitting if Vedith calls me scum again"?

Doesn't matter overall, the way you and Io are playing is more scum than WW... Which means bye bye for you both.

PEdit - @Trans

[Vedith]

the way you and Io are playing is more scum than WW...

More Mafia than WW.

[Vedith]

yeah

i can't deal with this guy

d1 ends with his death or mine

VOTE: Vedith

Either way your dead before day 2, so I'm okay with it regardless.

[Vedith]

I really doubt I'll get lynched day 2 if you get lynched day 1 and flip green.

But you can fucking dream.

You don't understand what I am saying.
WW's will kill you tonight on a mis lynch today.
Then that also gives up Io on you flipping scum.

It's going to be a winwin for me as you and Io are obviously together in this.

[Vedith]

So who's the thirds scum? There are 3 mafia in this game. According to you, Transcend, Io, and ___________?

Time will tell.
As it stands, having 2 is pretty good imo.

[Vedith]

Win/win/win.

Scum attitude.

[Vedith]

So Am I still scum?

Probably

[Vedith]

@Vedith

Do you scumread everyone who disagrees with you?

I have 2 scum reads, and one probable scum read. Do you feel that these 3 are the only 3 to disagree with me?
This means you agree with me, correct?

Or was you asking a pointless question because you have nothing else to do right now?

[Vedith]

@Vedith

I don't see scum!Io.

I'm not sure what you want me to say about this?

[Vedith]

Yeah your vote is good but your reason isn't.
The worst kind of people are ones that don't consider time zones or personal situations.

[Vedith]

Who's pushing you off?
I don't recall Key being anyone's town read?

[Vedith]

personal situations.

I have lied about them.

So?
There is no way to prove it at all so it's such a pointless thing to do.

[Vedith]

You can I probably won't read it though.
Just vote Trans and have the reason as anything.

[Vedith]

I don't recall everyone town reading you either

That just means I'm doing my job right.

[Vedith]

This is the most confusing game I've ever played.

Vote Trans, then you guys can kill Io tonight.
Everyone wins.

[Vedith]

Post later

[Vedith]

Idiots. Why rush.
He's flipping scum 9/10 but Trans was the better option.
His wagon resistance makes me believe Mafia more.

[Vedith]

Very happy with this hammer by the way

Although apparently self voting is a town thing (?)

It's a 50/50.
I don't think it was a terrible hammer, but not my prefered.
He looked more frustrated scum that town anyway.
A self hammer would have made me think town more than scum.

[Vedith]

I'd like to help town though. This game is just boring lol and instead of replacing out, I'll just help town. I'm Werewolf. Congratulations!

Then your buddy should kill Trans tonight, we lynch Io tomorrow and even up the scum sides.

[Vedith]

oh no he's trolling twilight and is VT

You wouldn't hammer him if you actually believed this.

[Vedith]

On a positive note, i go through burgerking's iso and laugh harder each time.

[Vedith]

So last WW is newb.

[Vedith]

Tenshii or shamu as last WW.
shamu more likely.

Trans and Io still Mafia.

Last Mafia to find.

[Vedith]

We should be voting WW 100% here.
Mis lynch means they have to hit scum, right lynch means no night kills.

Win win

[Vedith]

Explain for my sick addled brain please Vedith.

What part?

[Vedith]

Well Trans is obvious scum, he's the easiest person to read on MS.
Io is obvious scum

That kill was dreadful from WW...

[Vedith]

Trans is scum.
If you haven't read any of the game and don't want him lynched, then your a moron for a start.

[Vedith]

I still want the WW lynched, but your post is awful.

[Vedith]

I'm going to bed, think as you like.

[Vedith]

Boo, I need you though. We're looking to lynch WW, not you.

So let me buddy the crap up to you for now?

VOTE: io

Is this bad?

Io is Mafia.
Although it's a good lynch, WW should be our target.

WW is going to be shamu 6/10 times and Tenshii 4/10 times.

Can you read Shamu's ISO and tell me that's from town?

[Vedith]

Did you want to ask a question?

[Vedith]

do u actually have a shamu!wolf read and if so, do u have a case to support it?

I have as much case as anyone right now.
Common sense is my only advantage here. The kill was a newb kill.
This takes all you, Titus, Real and Io out of the WW night kill for me.

This leaves, BK, BTD (Who I doubt would have killed there anyway) Tenshii, Shamu and Political. Political is possible with the late join in, maybe just checking who had decent reads etc, but I doubt it.

This leaves Shamu and Tenshii, and Shamu had the worse reaction to the lynch than Tenshii.

[Vedith]

o btw i rescind the thought of lynching SPECIFICALLY for wolf

if we mislynch, wolf needs to kill a mafia or else it's bad news for both blue and green

if we lynch right, then it's' either a scumbag down or the final wolf.

lynching specifically for wolf is too risky imo. just find a scumfuck and lynch them.

Then we lynch you today then.
If not you then me, because 1 of us is 100% Mafia, and I can say now it's not me.

And to follow up, anyone with common sense would have killed you last night.
If you are Mafia, you are dead and it gives the WW breathing space as an obvious Io push would be happening today.
If you flipped town, it would give WW breathing space as I would look like scum all day, making a push on me easy.
Of course, theres always option 3 where I killed someone TR me as WW to prevent focus on my lynch.

Lets be real here.

[Vedith]

except i won't get lynched but u can lucid dream me getting lynched and see me eat rope this game

that's about all u will get

You think too highly of yourself, that's all I'm going to say on that situation.

[Vedith]

Also Trans, lets hear your view on who is WW.

[Vedith]

So wolf pool = {Burger, Titus, BTD6, PC}

I'm more confident in Titus not being WW than you being scum after that kill.
I mean, we are kind of at the same finish line at least though with WW.

After re thinking, if some magical reason you are town... Which there is only 1 scenerio I think of, a WW kill on you or me after a mis lynch could lose it for town.

I'm actually agreeing that you shouldn't be lynched today, but maybe aiming for Mafia is a better option.

The only problem is, I'm less confident in thinking who's not Mafia to who's not WW.

You're probably not Mafia, and you are never WW.
(I am thought processing as I type, hence the change).

So as I stand

Not WW;
Me
Titus
You
Io
Real
Probably not BTD

Not Scum
Me
You More than likely
Most likely not Titus
Probably not BTD

Titus should be easy enough to work out, and with that fail self vote I'm looking more town than not.

[Vedith]

how the fuck can u rule out titus for anything when her slot didn't even interact with keyen lol

Titus would never have made that kill. That's 1 thing I'm sure of.
And I doubt her as town but I'm not setting it as fo sho.

[Vedith]

can you walk me through btd!town though?

he didn't exactly commit to any read that i saw yesterday and it was rather worrisome.

BTD is purely more gut from previous experience with him.

[Vedith]

Sneaky spot on focused Titus = Scum Titus
Bad ideas and clumsy Titus = Town Titus

[Vedith]

After re thinking, ISO and recent thoughts on Trans. I'm thinking town.
This will be a lot easier for me to explain either later in the day or later in the game (given if I'm alive)

[Vedith]

Granted I fully expected to die

after leading on WW as such.

You mean your bussing that back fired?

[Vedith]

The more Verdith talks about how bad the night kill is the more I think it was him trying to frame a newbie.

You're too damn good for me, trooper!

[Vedith]

This is not a bus attempt. That vote stayed for 100 posts.

Given the casualness of the wagon, I don't think there is ww there.

I disagree.
Shamu voted where it was safe to, and then got in too deep with everyone else joining.
Between Shamu voting, too many people jumped on the wagon - Unvoting would have brought too much attention.
The only comment after the vote is 258 everything else is trying to push else where. By the point of 258 too many votes on Shamu.

If not Shamu, it's more than likely Tenshii.

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VOTE: BTD

agree

don't care about meta, no offense vedith

None taken.
I'm not voting him unless I feel fit though.

[Vedith]

My only problem with this argumentation is why Shamu doesn't deserve the benefit of doubt(Shamu starting the wagon) when Tenshii receives the benefit of doubt(explicitly rejecting to hammer)?

Like, Shamu does not react well? Elaborate.

That makes no sense, neither of them get the benefit of the doubt.
Shamu posts noting apart from 1 comment after the vote and then after the hammer says it's a good hammer but tries to point to the slot possibly being town.
It's a stupid thing where people try to act to not know the align after a hammer and it's terrible.
"That's a good hammer but they might be town duuuhh" GTFO

[Vedith]

shamu never imply that. He was questioning the general consensus.

So showing doubt on that slot being town you mean...
SO I AM RIGHT...

Let me draw a picture for you, hold on!

[Vedith]

Like, that fucking question mark was sandwhiched by the bracket. How come you miss it when you reply to it!

SO IT'S SHOWING DOUBT STILL YOU FUCKING FLAMINGO!
Just because there is a question mark doesn't mean shit.
Shamu was trying to show doubt on the read. Why even mention it being a town action if you don't have doubt?!
GTFO Real

[Vedith]

I hate you both. :<

[Vedith]

I don't get it?

[Vedith]

I hate you both. :<

Come back when you have something that is not THAT conspirational. I mean, imagination is good, but even I can land back and return to real life

Post game, I laugh at you.

[Vedith]

Trans, the spammer!

[Vedith]

What do you think of Tenshii? Iso, I don't see scum!Tenshii..

As in not Mafia/WW or just not Mafia?

[Vedith]

just kidding, you didn't have a porn tab, just wanted to scare you

I even checked mine...
Not supposed to watch it at work. :<

[Vedith]

Someone throw mud at me.

I don't like being obvtown.

Scum

[Vedith]

I don't understand why Titus is being TR'd.

Yet you aren't selling it?

[Vedith]

Tenshii is more likely WW.
Io is more likely scum.

Depending what people are actually aiming to hit today, this should be considered.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Io

[Vedith]

Your not really that intimidating with you're ego and all, Verdith.

Okay.

[Vedith]

Really? I put so much effort into fitting your and you're in there just so I could post them incorrectly to make fun of your signature and you just post "Okay."
You get on my nerves so much, Verdith!

The Your and You're in my sig make no sense. It's more to trigger people.
But I don't think I get on your nerves, personally.

[Vedith]

You're winning - Is not an unseen action or a state of opinion
Your voice is deep - Is not a visible action or a physical possession.

Just to clarify.

[Vedith]

Nah you don't. Shame you don't have the best reads.

Point me in the right direction then.

[Vedith]

ego will get on this during the day.

Hi

[Vedith]

Yup.

Nah

[Vedith]

ego will get on this during the day.

Hi

[Vedith]

BK can't be scum with that avatar!

[Vedith]

Real means - "I like trains"

[Vedith]

Weekend

[Vedith]

ego will get on this during the day.

In fairness, he didn't say WHAT day...

[Vedith]

Did Real scum claim?

[Vedith]

He's getting defensive now!

[Vedith]

This game has died and requires a lynch.

[Vedith]

Hey Vedith. Same question as well!

I don't?
And neither did I say I do...

[Vedith]

Io is Mafia.
Io buddied Trans and was probably hoping for more out of mine and Trans day 1.
People believe Io can be WW, I don't believe that at all but I am not against lynching scum.
Going into tomorrow with only 2 scum is better overall than 3 imo as WW might be outside of shamu/Tenshii (BK/BTD).

[Vedith]

I am not buddying? I buddy Trans hard especially with the dog avi joke?

What distinct me with Io?

Day 1 and day 2.

[Vedith]

Plus, I didn't call you town?

[Vedith]

Can we just lynch Io now?

[Vedith]

Trans so toxic...

Titus, vote Io pl0x

[Vedith]

I like being special <3

Then vote Io, no questions, you can trust me.

[Vedith]

Weekend stuff, tomorrow.

[Vedith]

LYNCH TIME!

[Vedith]

vedith sure does like his mafia!

Only when playing with you! :<

[Vedith]

We are lynching Flubbernugget.

I am the Seer.

I thought Trans was the seer?

[Vedith]

No. He was my n1 clear.

The entire swap of my read with him is because I thought he was hinting at being seer day 2.
He pushes for me not as WW (I assumed he checked me) and then says that he isn't getting lynched.

[Vedith]

WW has to kill Mafia at this stage or they lose.
Thast is why they killed BTD more than likely.

Tomorrow will be 3 v 4 and I'm not confident on Titus not doing her usual shit as town and pushing for a lynch else where.

VOTE: Trans

[Vedith]

VOTE: Flubbernugget

[Vedith]

LQ just confirmed himself as scum

[Vedith]

LQ is scum.
Trans is scum.

[Vedith]

LQ really should be the lynch today though for trying to fake claim seer.

[Vedith]

My point had more to do with the character of Vedith rather than that I was trying to get out of a lynch.

It was more the fact that Titus had claimed Seer, and the way you posted it tells me that you missed that part and tried for a quick lynch.
I also knew it was 100% fake because you know, you decided to put me as the WW. I'm not sure what kind of reply you would want there... Maybe I should have said "Are you lying, Titus?!"

[Vedith]

I can point out the reasons I specifically thought Verdith was seer but it felt like 'breadcrumbing.'

Do it.

[Vedith]

Actually I wanted to see what kind of reaction I would get from you.

I call bullshit here.

[Vedith]

K, why? What reason is ther for me to claim Cop as Scum?

Because that's how you play as scum.
Just trying to add confusion into the day.

[Vedith]

I'm not checking stuff while at work.
But you're not exactly convincing me that you're not scum.
Same as Trans... The only reason I had a town read on him was because he was trying to act so sure that I wasn't WW and kept saying that he wouldn't be lynched on day 2.

The fact that both of you voted Shamu means that you are not all scum together, but most likely 2 of you are leaving Tenshii or Light as the 3rd scum.

Sadly this won't matter because it will take 4 town to vote these and I know Titus will just vote any where I don't.

[Vedith]

I linked a gambit where I immediately CCed vig claim from Scum as VT and got a Scum PR to claim scum.

Doesn't change you being scum here.

[Vedith]

You are using the fact that I wouldn't do that as Town to say I am Scum here.

And you're using a different situation and a different role with a different setup (assumed) to justify for you trying a late mis lynch on me as town.

[Vedith]

You are using the fact that I wouldn't do that as Town to say I am Scum here.

But you are scum, so what does it matter?

[Vedith]

Lynch on me means that WW knows that LQ is lying but doesn't know if lying town or lying scum.
Keeps the WW alive to make a kill which could easily be on the seer. Puts town in a weaker possition

[Vedith]

Putting town in a weaker position doesn't necessarily mean it helps mafia. I really think the CC helps werewolf more than anything.

No.

[Vedith]

STOP TALKING ABOUT IRRRELEVANT SHIT AND JUST TRY TO SOLVE THE FUCKING GAME BY SCUMHUNTING HOLY SHIT

Already found you and LQ as scum.

[Vedith]

only person whose opinion matters tho is titus

"Scum hunt" "Your opinion doesn't matter"
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[Vedith]

titus is deciding the vote so what you say doesn't mean diddly lol

I couldn't give 2 shits if it's Titus making the call.
You are a scum fuck. GTFO with telling people to scum hunt because we are calling you scum fuck buddy out too.

[Vedith]

Tenshii magically becomes active in the LyLo phase scumfuck defending a scum fuck.
10/10.

[Vedith]

I'm arguing that he wouldn't do it as scum wtf

Great stuff.

[Vedith]

You're my problem.
Trans is my problem
LQ is my problem.
The activity to this game until magically today is my problem

The fact I knew that it's going to be like this today where Titus most likely votes for someone of town and buys Trans bullshit.
This game is honestly a joke.

[Vedith]

Vedith, you were convinced that Realeo was scum in the micro... :/

So I shouldn't be convinced that someone is scum every again?
Yeah.... okaaaay.

Fuck it, lets just vote whereever, who am I voting Titus, myself? Shamu? Tell me and I'll vote there, I can't be right, can I.......

[Vedith]

Okay fine I'll replace out.
Enjoy your loss.

Replace me