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You know what I loved about moderators who didn't lock the thread?
FIRST!"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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OMG! We have a pre-game soft claim!
D1 soft-claim, common.
page 1 soft-claim, common in newbies game.
pre-game soft claim, priceless."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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You are 5th.In post 10, BTD6_maker wrote:SEVENTH
This is one of the more interesting setups I have seen, with asymmetric multiball.
Werewolf is a creature that cannot count because they have no capability of calculating.
BTD can't count.
If
A = Werewolf
B = BTD
C = Calculating
And given
A->C and B->C , using mathematical induction, we can conclude A->B, which means Werewolf is BTD.
VOTE: BTD"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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(Frank Sinatra Accent)Oh My God."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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I am pleased that I am not the only who understand math joke. However, there is an incorrect statement
C should be C = cannot calculate. You rectify my calculation but made a mistake in the process instead.
VOTE: BTD_6 Maker
HURT: keyenpeydee
HEAL: Realeo
Now, we're ready to play some RPG.
Original Roll String: 1d201 20-Sided Dice: (13) = 13"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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It feels awkward to continue RVS, isn't it? Do we need RQS now?"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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You mean wolfread and mafread?In post 24, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Gl folks. None of the votes pre-day 1 are being counted so I think RVS is still okay.
VOTE: BurgerKing
This is my first game with multiple scum factions. If I think someone is a werewolf specifically rather than a mafia member is there a different term for that or is it just a scumread? Also do morning flips show if players were killed by wolf or gunshot in this format?
And for second, mafia don't kill."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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A friendly reminder not to have the RVS as far as L-1.
On a normal case, I will wait for someone to "foreshade" back. I have seen town foreshad his early skeptical and the scum took this as a chance to foreshade the original skeptist. On that case, I will think the initial skeptic is town and the foreshade backer is scum.In post 37, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:In post 29, Transcend wrote:Not sure if ssbm didn't read the rules or tried to force a town slip.
But interesting that no one foreshades back...
There is at least one anti-town in {Kyouko,Transcend}"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Oh wait, scrap that read. I was too premature to call it. It was just 18 hours after the post. Invalid read especially since some players soft V/LA during weekend. Scum maybe offline."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Finally, someone don't just swallow statistic as - is and question it.
=D
I find the tendency that if a town foreshades someone, scum will foreshade back (Transcend! Why do you try to foreshade him?) I find scum sometimes afraid to foreshade, but not afraid to foreshade back.
So when no one foreshades back, two possibility
1) scum!transcend so ofcourse scum doesn't want to hurt his partner
2) scum!Kyouko to avoid association if either the defender or defended flips
But I was too quick to play my trap card."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Throwing shade."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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AHHH! TRIGGER! Donald Trump! Purple State! Fucking Florida.In post 61, Transcend wrote:purple
On a serious note. That's a quick accusation. Elaboration, please."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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I won't be that surprised if IO and Transcend in the same scum team."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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That BurgerKing voting Tenshii need some explanation."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Are we officially out of RVS? I am confuzed."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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The exchange between Tenshii, Transcend, Vedith confuses me.."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Ah! Ircher's game! A classic example of how town can screw an auto win.In post 151, BTD6_maker wrote:Knowing you, you'll probably forget your alignment during Day 4.
VOTE: Vedith
Help me, Vedith. We know this is not your town game.
@shamu:I am not surprised that Io-Transcend will be both scum because they seem to be not awkward. I remember in a game where I was talking to my another scum about our scum game in the past, it doesn't feel awkward. An example of something that is awkward is the interaction of BTD v Vedith."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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1. No one is being lynched pre-game so no need to worry.In post 158, Io wrote:I didn't like his response to be wagoned pregame and early d1 and pushed to stop RVS when he was being voted in it.
Also the jumping on the wagon of Verdith when clearly me and Trans weren't even being remotely serious is highly suspect of just bandwagoning especially with his push to get out of RVS early on.
2. I don't understand your accusation of my early d1 wagon reaction. Elaborate.
3. But I am being serious on the Vedith wagon. This is not his town play and whether you are in the wagon or not is not the consideration. The explanation is an ongoing game, however."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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There's one completed game of town!Vedith and me so actually I can talk about that.
My experinece of town!Vedith was he was serious from the get go. He was being analytical. When he say "I read him like like a book", ugh this is not you?"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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In post 165, Vedith wrote:
You don't know shit.In post 153, Realeo wrote:Help me, Vedith. We know this is not your town game."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Stupid me. As a scum, I should have known that asking something about a vote is scummy.
Especially when the vote is naked.
"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Now we are talking. Thank you.
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Is his scum action consistent from D1? Or this is more "I have a trigger for scum!Transcend and he triggered it". I need to limit my reading scope."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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I am busier that my normal schedule.
Can you pinpoint the game where he is town and scum? Don't tell me where he change. I will try to make my own conclusion."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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I see a tendency where he(Transcend) is more sensitive as a scum. When I mean more sensitive, sensitive to feeling, not sensitive to scum hunting.
Noted. Not conclusive, but it is credible and noted."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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The very early D1 is quite a contrast. Other players need to check it."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Enlighten me. Do you have initial hypothesis? Not that much means somewaht considerably.In post 147, BTD6_maker wrote:I am reading the game and am not findingthat is concrete enough for me to work with.that much
Also, you did not answer my point. Please do.
VOTE: Vedith"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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So who's the thirds scum? There are 3 mafia in this game. According to you, Transcend, Io, and ___________?In post 225, Vedith wrote:WW's will kill you tonight on a mis lynch today.
Then that also gives up Io on you flipping scum."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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I am trying to parse this...In post 229, Transcend wrote:If he's green, I'll be happy. It'll encourage wolves to go for a scumfuck."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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VOTE: Transcend
I have seen a town makes an early tunnel, but Trans' tunnel is peculiar. I understand each player has their own unique game play, but each game play shows a character and motive. I can't really link them."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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@VedithI don't see scum!Io."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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@VedithDo you scumread everyone who disagrees with you?"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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If it's the best to keep pressure, why are you not voting him?In post 235, BTD6_maker wrote:Transcend has flipped several times on how bothered he is with Vedith's pressure. He has gone from threatening to replace out to not being that bothered to wanting to call Gladiator on Vedith. This seems suspicious at best. Vedith, is threatening to replace out and generally using AtE part of his scum meta? Either way, it is at least best to keep pressure on Transcend until he makes up his mind.
For the record, my vote is a genuine fos. It has nothing to do with Vedith's speculation."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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I am not a merkan but I have a question:
Is it normal for a merkan got drunk in 1pm? 1 am, normal. 1pm?
In 1pm, Transcend make a big jump. 10 pm, he claimed to be sober now. Which is implying that during the big jump, he is drunk? It is normal for people to be irrational when drunk, but 1 pm?"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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So I may have a weak case on Transcend...In post 255, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I'm an American and on some days off work I wake up at 1 and start drinking immediately
UNVOTE:"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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I have lied about them.In post 257, Vedith wrote:personal situations."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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I find your lack of faith of my scumhunting process disturbing.In post 260, Vedith wrote:Who's pushing you off?
I may as well give an extensive explanation of my vote to make the context clear.Vedith wrote:So?
There is no way to prove it at all so it's such a pointless thing to do.
Prepare for a wall of post."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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So Transcend is threatening Vedith for a 1 : 1 trade. What we need to do is understand the motive.
A 1 : 1 trade is usually done because ofangerand anger is caused bycontempt.
So we need to understand, is there enough contempt to create it?
In post 127, Transcend wrote:u brought the panda back
anyways fine answer i guess but everyone else has voted their non-RVS foses by now and it's pretty clear cut we're out of that stage so why aren't u making am oveIn post 136, Transcend wrote:VOTE: Vedith
Sure
We can do this 1v1 style
U can stop ur insufferable death tunnel on me or u can hang
It's up to you, VIn post 138, Transcend wrote:Bring itIn post 139, Transcend wrote:I'm no longer assed in finding anymore scumfucks until me, or this guy dies.
I feel the contempt is unnatural. I mean, the natural process is fos -> scum tunnel -> 1 v 1. It's not pissed off -> 1 v 1.In post 157, Transcend wrote:K I'm sober now are you gonna stop being a douche and play the game
Or are you gonna experience a rope around your neck.
So why the drunk is important? 157 is troubling me. If he's sober, then I will not expect the "Or are you gonna experience a rope around your neck." because he's sober?
part 1 of 3"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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But Transcend argued that he's his playing style. Maybe his an exception?
But I don't buy it.
Transcend has been gut-saying "Realeo is town", "Shamu is town".
I pinned him as happy-go-lucky not saddy-go-grumpy. I believe that if a player believe that he is a gutsy player, he will less likely to be stubborn.
I think town can violate his own logic. Human is subjective and at the end a composite of fallacious error. But I don't think town will violate his own mood.
Unless his drunkness violates his own mood.
So I believe that I have a solved case, but the drunkness is important. If I fail to explain it, the whole case falls down.
part 2 of 3"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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In addition to that, I think Shamu is town.
In post 155, shamu wrote:(snip)
But beyond that I'd like to go into the verdith - transcend thing.
This is, actually very strange to me. But for some reason I feel like verdith is dead serious? While normally I'd just ignore this and move forward, I think he actually believes that transcend is scum...
and in this case transcend, the powertown is going to absolutely destroy verdith.
even when transcend is scum he's powertown.
I hope people will elaborate more on reads outside of verdith/scend. It was nice having some new blood posting but when it's just the same people it's kinda hard to do things.
This is a progression that I expect from town. Confronted against it, I expect the first thing that town would face is confusion and not anger. A town will try to solve his confusion first before anything else.In post 243, shamu wrote:This may be the most confusing thing I've ever said in a game ever but...
I just had deja vu about this game.
And I feel like BTD6 is going to carry it.
That was weird as fuck to say but like for some god awful reason I had deja vu?????
beyond that, I have made reads - I'm sorry that I haven't formatted it in a rainbow shaped funnel down to the bottom.
Like - I think any read I have is both implied and practical. And if you don't see that than whatever, I'll care more if more people find the need to ask.
shamu does not exactly shout TOWN, but he spared from d1.
part 3 of 3"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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contemptIn post 272, Io wrote:Sooo. What's contempt?"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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That is part of my argument.In post 282, BTD6_maker wrote:If you want to make a point that you are now sober, I would expect a shift towards calmer, more rational analysis than what Transcend posted.
I do not believe thisIo wrote:It's also wrong since 1v1's come out of extreme confidence.per se. A tunnel, yes, extreme confindence. Judging from my experience, a 1 v 1 usually has an additional part of contempt. Unfortunately, this part is an ongoing game."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Guys, lynch deadline in 4 days...
VOTE: transcend"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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VOTE: key"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Ok. Key makes me confuzed. Io, help me senpai!"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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In post 312, Tenshii wrote:Only because of the self though"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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In post 351, Titus wrote:Boo, I need you though. We're looking to lynch WW, not you.
So let me buddy the crap up to you for now?
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Is this bad?In post 355, Transcend wrote:wot"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Thank you for the compliment.In post 361, Vedith wrote:I have as much case as anyone right now.
Common sense is my only advantage here. The kill was a newb kill.
This takes all you, Titus, Real and Io out of the WW night kill for me.
I'm trying to understand how you classify the not scum? I had made a perfect read at mafia v sk before, but not mafia A v mafia B. I'm trying to understand the progress of you townreading Transcend...In post 368, Vedith wrote:Not WW;
Me
Titus
You
Io
Real
Probably not BTD
Not Scum
Me
You More than likely
Most likely not Titus
Probably not BTD
I mean, I saw this.
Want to make sure that it's not for granted.You're probably not Mafia, and you are never WW.
(I am thought processing as I type, hence the change)."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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shamu seems political?? shamu made good arguments on being town but seems too early for AtE??
RESIST. THE. TEMPTATION. TO. META."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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With that, I call for VPA.In post 382, Vedith wrote:
You mean your bussing that back fired?In post 379, shamu wrote:after leading on WW as such."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Shamu, Kyouko, DBW, Io, Realeo, key, Transcend...
Surprisingly, nobody backed off or unvoted in certain pattern showing uncertainty.
And Vedith..
This is not a bus attempt. That vote stayed for 100 posts.In post 203, shamu wrote:VOTE: keyenpeydee
anyone need context for this or?
also I dunno what's up with tenshii - I wish it was easier for me to look at more posts while I type this up.
Given the casualness of the wagon, I don't think there is ww there."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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My finger will be on either Tenshii or BTD. BTD seems non-commital?
VOTE: BTD
For now, I assume that burgerking is non-existent and by the power of prod, he soon willl be replaced."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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My only problem with this argumentation is why Shamu doesn't deserve the benefit of doubt(Shamu starting the wagon) when Tenshii receives the benefit of doubt(explicitly rejecting to hammer)?In post 387, Vedith wrote:I disagree.
Shamu voted where it was safe to, and then got in too deep with everyone else joining.
Between Shamu voting, too many people jumped on the wagon - Unvoting would have brought too much attention.
The only comment after the vote is 258 everything else is trying to push else where. By the point of 258 too many votes on Shamu.
If not Shamu, it's more than likely Tenshii.
Like, Shamu does not react well? Elaborate."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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WRONG.In post 391, Vedith wrote:Shamu posts noting apart from 1 comment after the vote and then after the hammer says it's a good hammer but tries to point to the slot possibly being town.
shamu never imply that. He was questioning the general consensus.In post 319, shamu wrote:Very happy with this hammer by the way
Although apparently self voting is a town thing (?)"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Like, that fucking question mark was sandwhiched by the bracket. How come you miss it when you reply to it!
In post 322, Vedith wrote:
It's a 50/50.In post 319, shamu wrote:Very happy with this hammer by the way
Although apparently self voting is a town thing (?)
I don't think it was a terrible hammer, but not my prefered.
He looked more frustrated scum that town anyway.
A self hammer would have made me think town more than scum."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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SO IT'S SHOWING DOUBT STILL YOU FUCKING FLAMINGO!"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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What's the problem of showing doubt?In post 395, Vedith wrote:Shamu was trying to show doubt on the read.
In post 316, Vedith wrote:Idiots. Why rush.
He's flipping scum 9/10 but Trans was the better option.
His wagon resistance makes me believe Mafia more.
Where's the 1/10? Doubt?
Gfto Vedith."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Come back when you have something that is not THAT conspirational. I mean, imagination is good, but even I can land back and return to real lifeIn post 400, Vedith wrote:I hate you both. :<"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Apparently me and Transcend is only 2 days different in joining date."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Spoiler: For old memories
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Other players, you're allowed to join the avatar game or insert new analysis (or ideally both)"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Pretty sure that sexual joke is outside the rule..
Let us get back to the game.
What do you think of Tenshii? Iso, I don't see scum!Tenshii.."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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