Open 656- Tit For Tat - Endgame
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Interesting.In post 282, FancyPants wrote:Firstly I think we should hustle towards a lynch, 5 days with a weekend in between is really not a lot of time.
Now for a quick catch up, going over my thoughts on everybody in no particular order.
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Some good paranoia in this line, I don't necessarily agree with the logic but I can see the town thought process.In post 125, alban wrote: 4. Most importantly, in a game where you need 7 to lynch me, 5 of you are currently voting against me. What's the likelihood that half of the players have formed an opinion against a player so quickly? What is the voted player likely to be in the case? Will the consensus happen so quickly if I were mafia?
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Don't like this post byPersephone131, seem more interested in not looking like scum rather than lynching scum.
I haven't really likedTextcatworrying over people's town reads (86 and 102), it feels scummy and counter productive. Nothing wrong with town-reading, but I feel scum want the potential pool of suspects to remain as large as possible.
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Is interesting, I think fearing being tied to someone is a very townie response, townies don't know who is scum and therefore don't want to be tied to anyone. In fact there is an advantage for scum cat to be tied to town Yuria.In post 237, texcat wrote:
And when did you quit beating your wife?In post 216, Harkonnen97 wrote:who else beside yuria is ur scumbuddy texie ?
Are you trying to tie me to Yuria? Why?
Therefore I come to the conclusion that textcat and yuria are scum together, or neither are scum (more likely at this stage).
Harkis probably town but that whole scum claiming business is pretty annoying and anti-town. Do you get Nk'ed early in games often?
Yuriaseems to be game-solving for me, but I can see her potentially fooling me.
Gammais pretty null, struggling to get a read, why do you town read textcat gamma?
NJACis a town lean but has collectively said very little.
I''m town reading bothEagerandFire Assasinfor similar reasons (that basically boils down to a IDGAF attitude).
That leaves the lurkers of Kop, Sgz and Persephone.
I can definitely see two scum in those three.
I kinda like Persephone because of 131. I can live with Kop as well.
For now.
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VOTE: Persephone
Look at her ISO, I could definitely see her being newb-scum who is unable to play due to not knowing how to manufacture reads.-
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Since we're in a 2:4 setup, with last 2 mafia as rolecop + jailer, can we have a mass claim of the PRs? No need to specify which PR you are, but I think popcorn claiming here is the best play. I'm still finishing up the read, but I'm beginning to formulate ideas on who I think is mafia, and I would suggest we popcorn claim to see what the net catches if all of you are fine with this.-
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http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... im#Popcorn
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You can't ask everyone to thoroughly explain their detailed strategy on why they should and should not mass claim so you can have an intricate understanding of how to counter their strategies yet not share your reasons for opposition to it.... That's just not fair, even if your reasons are complete lies and bullshit, at least entertain me with something...-
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Interestingly, I think that hark/ted's slot this game is town however in the last game I had hark in newbie 1730, he replaced in as scum, and he was almost immediately caught and failed to town clear himself. He basically threw a giant bitch fit and replaced himself out within a few days in the game. Go ahead and read it, it's pretty hilarious.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=67705
Also, I'll admit that it being my first game on MS, I raged pretty hard and threw the game in LYLO by intentionally throwing my vote so scum could blitz. Obv I don't plan to make the same mistakes again, but you never know, there ain't no cure for stupid.-
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Like, I keep mixing up the FA and hark slots, but FA is town, he was a god awful town... No joke... LOL. BUT he's town. He was in another game with me as well, he's just not a very good player in general, neither is hark. I've never been very impressed with either one's play and they should honestly quit the site if they've been playing here this long and haven't been able to improve. In hark's defense I don't think english is his native language, which explains why he derps so hard when it comes to communicating effectively with other players in the game.-
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Anyway, I think the popcorn claim is legit because:
1. It forces scum to react and engage in the game in some way, it brings everyone into the spotlight to present an answer, and the first people to popcorn don't necessarily know if they're going to be countered by the people following up.
2. Potentially provides a more clear picture based on the responses received for town to navigate and determine who is/is not a PR.
3. At this point, because we are in MYLO, and we know the PR is vigi + backup role cop, and we also know that retarded town basically worked together with mafia on page 46 to rolefish the vigi, so there is very little benefit to keeping the PRs hidden at this point, I have a inkling of a feeling that mafia already know who vigi is and will probably jail him the rest of the game less we manage to lynch the jailer.-
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Clarifying #2, it assumes there is a CC to the claims for town PRs, then we have a place to start in building further associations and such. And also mafia don't have the ability to plan for this action because of no day-chat so we are really putting the squeeze on them and I think shitcans playing town (cough FA) have basically allowed the mafia to coast up till now-
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There are 6 players alive and there are 2 mafia left. LOL. What the fuck?In post 1206, TwiszTed wrote:
Let's do some math.In post 1203, ironstove wrote:Alright, walk me through your mentality in parking your vote on someone you aren't sure is mafia in mylo?
There are nine players alive.
There are four mafia.
Farside has two votes.
Unless both Infinity and I are scum, scum can quicklynch for the win.
They haven't done that yet.
Ergo, either both Infinity and I are scum, or... Farside is scum.
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In post 1208, ironstove wrote:In post 1206, TwiszTed wrote:
Let's do some math.In post 1203, ironstove wrote:Alright, walk me through your mentality in parking your vote on someone you aren't sure is mafia in mylo?
There are nine players alive.
There are four mafia.
Farside has two votes.
Unless both Infinity and I are scum, scum can quicklynch for the win.
They haven't done that yet.
Ergo, either both Infinity and I are scum, or... Farside is scum.
Need a calculator?There are 6 players alive and there are 2 mafia left. LOL. What the fuck?-
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In post 1201, ironstove wrote:Also, I think people should be unvoting if they're town. It's literally autism to park your vote on someone in mylo, Sheer FUCKING autism.-
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Alright, seriously though, stop derailing can we please have a discussion about the popcorn mass claim? I think it's the highest EV play for town FMPOV and I don't see a reason why we shouldn't be doing it, and if those of you think we shouldn't be doing it and are town then please bring fourth your concerns so that we can have a discussion.-
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Let's discuss the mass claim first before we move forward with voting. I would love a popcorn claim, it's mylo, what advantage is there to hiding PRs at this point in the game?In post 1217, eagerSnake wrote:My mind's telling me no
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Now, are you convinced we should mass claim?Mafia powerroles cannot kill AND use their action in the same night.
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Which rule did I break? oh, and please clarify what you mean by there being 9 players in the game. Looks like you're not even paying attention yet you're trying to guide the town on what actions to take?In post 1213, TwiszTed wrote:
Reported to the site mods since you want to continue breaking site rules.In post 1210, ironstove wrote:In post 1201, ironstove wrote:Also, I think people should be unvoting if they're town. It's literally autism to park your vote on someone in mylo, Sheer FUCKING autism.-
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I was thinking more along the lines of FancyPants (you) first, after reading through the thread, and then you pick the next person to claim and that person picks the next and so on.In post 1224, FancyPants wrote:I'd be willing to popcorn claim. What would the order be?
I'd like:
Ironstove
Farside
Twisted
Infinity
Myself
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Technically, you pick 1 person, and that person picks the next, it's pretty easy to mafia to manipulate their answers if they know exactly what order the claims are coming in. So you pick farside?In post 1229, FancyPants wrote:I guess Farside and Twisted next, but at this stage the order really doesn't matter.-
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Based on this votecount, we can determine one of three things:In post 1223, Plotinus wrote:
1. Both players on the farside wagon are town and mafia have not yet arrived to blitz for the win.
2. Farside is mafia and at least 1/2 people on the farside wagon is town.
3. Farside is town, and potentially both scum or 1/2 scum are on the wagon, so they can't hammer.-
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I know exactly what I'm doing.In post 1235, TwiszTed wrote:
Don't advocate for mass claim when you don't know wtf you're doing.In post 1234, ironstove wrote:Oh, why do you think that?
*pulls out hair and walls away*
So you don't think scum would claim the remaining PR of vigi or counter claim the backup cop because they don't want to be put in a 1v1 situation?-
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It's amusing that you try to throw shade at my popcorn claim idea when you have made no contribution to this game so farIn post 1241, TwiszTed wrote:
No. You don't.In post 1238, ironstove wrote:
I know exactly what I'm doing.In post 1235, TwiszTed wrote:
Don't advocate for mass claim when you don't know wtf you're doing.In post 1234, ironstove wrote:Oh, why do you think that?
*pulls out hair and walls away*
So you don't think scum would claim the remaining PR of vigi or counter claim the backup cop because they don't want to be put in a 1v1 situation?
Vig has been PoE'd to eager.
There is zero incentive for scum to claim anything but VT.-
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I actually agree that of the 3 of you, infinity is the most scummy looking through ISOs, the hard part for me to differentiate is you and twisted....
I actually town read hark's slot when I went through this game, both you and hark, and I thought prior to fancypant's claim that it was {infinity, fancy} however him being uncc'd basically confirms that my suspicion was wrong and so I think it boils down to me determining between you and twistedted... TwistedTed subbing in has been extremely scummy to the point that I feel like this is a no-brainer, but something just doesn't feel right, like this is too easy LOL.-
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So by poe you think I'm scumIn post 1271, TwiszTed wrote:
If I did, I wouldn't be on a wagon with him.In post 1264, ironstove wrote:Twisted you think infinity is scum?-
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Right now I'm only getting a slight scum read from ted, but IDK if ted is actually town then that means farside/inf are maf because I'm a town slot.
You should examine FA's posts and I can say that his frustration at town at the time when he chose to replace out was pretty genuine because yea... I'm a town slot .-
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Anyway, I am still pretty confident that infinity is 1/2 scum, I can't decide between farside and twistedted, unfortunately. Gamma's ISO is extremely scummy, I'm more of a person that focuses on tone and word choice, so I can quote a few posts that read very poorly in my head just so you guys can follow my train of thought, but like I said most people just don't get the way I scum hunt.
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I am going to place my vote now on infinity, the rest of you may choose to do what you like the rest of this game, I'll come back to answer any questions you might have regarding the case.
BTW, I cased gamma rather than infinity because infinity has very few posts in this game as well as twisted.
VOTE: Infinity-
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This as well seems interesting. TwistedTed is scum reading my slot because I asked him how he could not know how many players are alive in the game. He says I made the same mistake, which is true, however I replaced into the game LONG after he did, so the fact that he was still running on the game believing that there were 3+ more players in the game than there actually were was an interesting... mistake. I wouldn't really scum read him for this, but his push on me that I must be scum because I called him out for making this mistake feels rather weak, and tbh it's really reaching FMPOV.In post 1284, TwiszTed wrote:iron, why are you completely ignoring the reason I'm scumreading you?
Why would you feign such shock and disbelief when you didn't know how many people were dead when you replaced in, either?
I think as scum the smart move would be to have just backed down and push the farside lynch assuming she is town, but instead I read this as fearful preparation in the situation that the farside lynch doesn't go through, then he will have to try to push a scum read on me instead, and his reasoning will be 'I scum read you because:'
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