Open 659- Jungle Republic

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VOTE: Realeo

Pre-game lynch plz.

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VOTE: Realeo

Pre-game lynch plz.

Correction: Pre-game Page 1 lynch plz.

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Scum is a general term for any faction that's anti-town.

VOTE: Realeo

Meme lynch best lynch. I'm locking my vote.

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Trust doesn't exist in mafia in the first place.

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The probability that you are correct is only 68%. Do you have further reasoning on this point?

How did you get 68%?

VOTE: Shamu

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shamu's town as f*ck

Why?

interesting way to say hi tenshii

You're welcome and scum. Bars.

This is 100% a Trans scum game.

Why?

VOTE: Vedith

Both Vedith and Shamu are scum.

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I must wonder why you agree with me and vote me in the same post :p

And I didn't agree with you wrt to it being unhelpful. I was just wondering how he got that 68%.

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@Shamu Bars = Rhymes. Welcome rhymed with scum.

Tenshii is so good at Mafia. I shouldn't have joined as he just got scum spot on.
Btw I know Trans is scum as he's my buddy. I'm pro town though so you can lynch me last.

Sarcasm set aside. It's arguable my scumread on you is just as strong as your scumread on Transcend.

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That BurgerKing voting Tenshii need some explanation.

Are you implying you were okay with all the other votes in the game?

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Okay. So why are you scumreading Transcend then?

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Damn, I'm convinced.

VOTE: Transcend

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interesting way to say hi tenshii

You're welcome and scum. Bars.

"You're welcome" rhymes with "and scum." Welcome and Scum. "Bars" literally just means rhymes. I pointed out that I made some rhymes.

@Shamu Do you have reads?

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@Transcend, Why are you townreading Shamu?

I'd rate that an 8/10 on the RT meter.

What is "RT meter?"

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Trasncend vs Vedith is probably TvT.

VOTE: Shamu

@Shamu Do you have reads?

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Don't be stupid its never thought t v t.
See how quickly Io and Trans want to get off voting me?

Are you just conf-biased cuz I don't see it.

P-Edit: Ok I see it, but I don't see why scum!Trans attempts to back off when he's winning the wagon war 4-2.

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@Shamu I didn't see any reads up to that point.

@Transcend Answer my questions you fuck. Why are you townreading Shamu and Realeo?

@Io What's your read on Trans?

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Yay. Working together to find town/scum. Kappa.

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VOTE: Transcend

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@Mod Requesting updated VC

Also Shamu, you can't complain about there being no content considering that you denied answering a question that was asking for more content.

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Kinda tempted to hold you to that Transcend

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Chicken confirmed best lurker 2016.

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I don't understand why Key would post what he has posted as scum. He comes off more as a newbie than scum.

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How about you vote instead and you let me hammer?

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I didn't think you would actually do it lol. Also declaring intent to NOT hammer.

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UNVOTE:

U get lynched tomorrow for tricking me

And not for being a scumread?

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I'm like 99% sure this is flipping VT.

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Only because of the self though

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I had to reread because I didn't remember anything about this game.

I think the NK implied WW interpreted Kyouko's early posts as a town slip, and possibly a Seer slip I guess. There weren't any townreads by Kyouko so this is the only conclusion I can come too. I don't really see why this is a newb kill.

I don't understand why Titus is being TR'd.

I think we should hit WW today. I think since Key was playing pretty cautiously/scared, his interactions point to the WW pool probably being {Chicken/Titus, BTD, Realeo}

Isn't McDonalds better than BurgerKing? Hmmm...

Key posted this while Realeo was at L-3. I think Key got scared of the potential Realeo lynch and attempted to counterwagon. I don't see why as WW he needs to counterwagon unless Realeo is his partner.

VOTE: Realeo

Tensii would be either WW or town. He's probably not Mafia since he was dead set on Trans being scum pushing a mislynch. That Twilight being 9% sure it was a mislynch also points to either town or WW overreacting to his buddy being lynched. I don't think he can be mafia at all though with how much he tunneled Trans day 1.

Wait what? I don't remember tunneling on Trans. And I don't understand how you got the conlcusion of your last sentence at all.

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I don't understand why Titus is being TR'd.

Yet you aren't selling it?

Uh. I null read the slot atm. I also PoE'd the slot to possible WW. I don't get what you mean.

Tensii would be either WW or town. [1]He's probably not Mafia since he was dead set on Trans being scum pushing a mislynch. That Twilight being 9% sure it was a mislynch also points to either town or WW overreacting to his buddy being lynched. [2]I don't think he can be mafia at all though with how much he tunneled Trans day 1.

[1] Why can't I be mafia here? Why not me being mafia and Trans being WW?
[2] My initial vote was pretty much for the sake of wagoning but then I eventually townread him, and then scumread him late day 1. I don't get how there was a tunnel. I still don't get how I specifically can't be mafia.

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I don't understand why Titus is being TR'd.

Yet you aren't selling it?

Oh. If you interpreted it as me scumreading the slot, I meant I don't understand why Titus is deserving of being townread.

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I was saying that I really don't think you would be Mafia based off of your voting patterns. At the very least a lot more likely to be WW or town.

But why? Thats what I don't get. Like why is my voting patterns indicative of non-mafia.

Nah, I wasn't concerned with the our words but his.

Why would Tenseii be arguing that he's mafia?

I'm not arguing I could be mafia. I was just asking a question. You're making implications on things that were never there. And I'm asking because I'm trying to understand Io's thought process.

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@Tenseii, Great, you are aware your vote pattern matches a WW buddy right?

No I don't get it explain.

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VOTE: Lo

Cuz nobody believes in my Realeo read.

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Oh also @Titus why wouldn't WW bus?

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You never bus a 2 scum team. That should be just common sense rule #1 of Mafia. You will just lose if you bus your partner with only 2 players.

Yeah I don't get it. Saying it's just common sense or you'll lose isn't an actual justifcation. Also by using the 2 scum team bus logic, isn't this comparable to the White Flag Gambit?

VOTE: Lo

Cuz nobody believes in my Realeo read.

Does no one see how scummy this is? He votes me without reason, sheeping his scum read, and the fact that I've already said I think Realeo is scum agreeing with him.
Literally he ignores every part of his own reads.
There is no way that can be town.

No I mafiaread you. Logically if I can't get my wolfread lynched, I should go for a mafia and/or secondary read. And no you never said Realeo was scum.

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Unless I'm reading the wrong game, which guess what I'm not, I was saying you were scum teh entierty of say 1 and that post isn't even saying you were agreeing with Tenshii it was saying I was and that he was voting someone agreeing with him and sheeping said scum read.

Can you put that question into a readable format because that actually doesn't make sense after reading it 2 times

Anyway, I will ISO Keyenpeydee and Io to examine the interactions between them. Now there is solid evidence I may form stronger reads.

You said that 3 days ago

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Io is getting on me for lack of reason for voting her yet whenever I ask her questions she's always dodging. Aka not explaining her actions.

Shamu's recent posts were hypocritical when it comes to his willingness to vote me or not vote me.

Inactive slots are inactive slots.

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@Io Eh, it's more like arguments/posts you dodged. Not questions.

@Shamu, Even though you said you have a wolf read on me even though there wasn't a Realeo seer post that prevents you from voting me. You also said that I should be quicklynched, even though you're not down to support it with a vote.

n1c

Wut?

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TL;DR all scumreads on me, I defended (with legitimate reasons) what I thought was a townread and said townread ended up flipping WW. Because of that, I am being WW read.

Also @Realeo if we're both town, who are you scumreading.

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Lenshii is town

Maybe we can L lynshii, Lenshii.

What?

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Yeah, Tenseii still is scum. No one has given a reason to townread them and game stall.

Lol so originally I didn't have an argument to this. But then I remembered how I contributed a wolf pool that pretty much went ignored.

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Something something hammer already

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I think I'd probably be down for a Transcend lynch. The way he has buddied me as scum in a previous game really reminds me of how he's been townreading me in this game.

Also I thought Vedith was Seer too so my townread on him basically goes to the dump now.

I think Shamu's Seer paranoia is more likely to come from a town perspective that mafia. I don't see what he would be trying to gain by doing that as mafia.

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LQ really should be the lynch today though for trying to fake claim seer.

Am also probably down for that.

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You realize Vedith is prolly saying that because I claimed a guilty on HIM correct?

Are you implying you shouldn't be lynched for that?

Have to agree with shamu in asking how he gets town on tenshii.

IME, he probably doesn't and/or is faking it.

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Actually never mind I can see town!Transcend having a townread on me like that but I think it's more likely to be from scum!Transcend

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My point had more to do with the character of Vedith rather than that I was trying to get out of a lynch.

I don't get it.

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Now that I think of it, I can't see what mafia!LQ gains from trying to fakeclaim Seer, so his intentions of trying to get out a reaction out of Vedith are probably actually town.

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I don't get this? 739 and 740 look to me like LQ's come into the thread, not read it so not seen titus's claim and thus not known titus already got her result. Could have been an attempt to force the real seer to CC and potentially get lynched (having not read that titus already claimed).

What does mafia!LQ gain from baiting out real Seer and getting real Seer lynched? The way I see it, that's helping the werewolf more than helping the mafia.

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Hey titus come and post on this page and then everyone in this page is the town for this game.

Kmd isn't town. Ha.

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Btw Transcend, you're implying that LQ is mafia. Why?

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Would mean town go into later days without a confirmed townie that can't be NKed?

Setup 1: 3 Mafia, 3 VT, 1 Unkillable Innocent Child

- (The setup we're in)

Setup 2: 3 Mafia, 3 VT, 1 Seer, 1 Wolf

- (The setup before Seer!Titus outted with guilty)

Setup 3: 2 Mafia, 3 VT, 1 Wolf

- (mafia!LQ wins Seer CC, Wolf kills confirmed mafia!LQ)

Basically, mafia!LQ would've traded a mafia member for the innocent child, and letting the wolf live. This isn't even taking into account whether or not the Seer did/didn't find the wolf. I think as mafia, Setup 1 would be easier to win than Setup 3, especially when you consider the variance of a Wolf in play.

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WAIT LOL IS THAT ACTUAL SLIP

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WHAT DID I JUST DO IM SORRY LOL

Explain why you posted this?

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What? How is that an explanation? What did you have no idea on? Who cares if you bump a topic?

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Transcend is probably scum.

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3) Did he do it as Town or Scum?

As scum, I don't see how that could be a town slip.

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We're assuming mafia!LQ knew you had a guilty on WW? Then why would he retract?

We're assuming he doesn't know? Then he CC'd thinking that WW would be unknown.

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Putting town in a weaker position doesn't necessarily mean it helps mafia. I really think the CC helps werewolf more than anything.

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STOP TALKING ABOUT IRRRELEVANT SHIT AND JUST TRY TO SOLVE THE FUCKING GAME BY SCUMHUNTING HOLY SHIT

No. The whole argument is a debate over the motivation of LQ's action. Which is basically trying to determine alignment. Aka scumhunting.

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I'm arguing that he wouldn't do it as scum wtf

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What's your problem Vedith?

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This game is honestly a joke.

Then replace out?

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You're my problem.

This doesn't tell me what your deal is. If it's actually because of my activity and not because of something else then sorry that I conveniently had time right now.

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Holy shit did I do something bad?

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I also don't see how you grouped those together Titus. But the way I see it, since you're clear, you can pretty much do whatever you want.

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Blurg

Tenshii what's with the increase of activity from you?

Its cuz I and Titus Town read them.

No. It's because it's lylo and I want that mislynch. Or this:

If it's actually because of my activity and not because of something else then sorry that I conveniently had time right now.

Pick your poison. Heh.

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So you're just letting Transcend lead the wagon? I'm pretty LQ is town.

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No I think Transcend is scum.

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Tensii, please vote.

Vote for who? Transcend?

Idk what your plan is but it looks like you're trying to get information off of blitzes and/or the lack of them. I think it'd be easier to just straight up lead a wagon. Especially because I don't the information gather would be helpful.

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VOTE: Transcend

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I know this game has been slow at points due to lack of activity, but this is one of those moments where the game could've progressed already if you simply lead a lynch Titus.

Transcend is scum because a lot of his word choice comes off as if there's a lack of confidence in the idea he's town and there's also the fact that he townread me without any basis.

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Why did you cc LQ?