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And I can town read you for taking away my town read for not questioning your town read on me.
*whew*
In all seriousness, the 'that's a start' was more of a 'great, what do you think of the actual post' than 'SWEET I'M GETTING TOWN READ.'
I can see how you interpreted this post the other way, though. My initial thought was just that - not to trust you throwing me a town-read. You just modded a game with me in it and could see that I tend to care about whether or not I'm getting town read and could use that against me in this game.-
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IRL mafia and forum mafia are poor comparisons.In post 171, Cheesy wrote:A smiley, seriously? I'd love to see you play irl mafia and try to keep a straight face.
Body language IRL is very important to discerning if somebody is lying.
All we have to go on with forum mafia is tone - and a smiley face implies a particular tone.-
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I'm in 6 games right now (I've made a huge mistake...) so I don't actually remember why I had a gut scum read on you Cheese, but I had one before this post.
After this post, the scum read has only intensified. The bold is a hedge that scum put into their interactions with town. You're trying to appear amicable here with the bolded sentence. It could come from either alignment, but IMO it's more likely to come from scum. Townies don't care if they piss somebody off by being intractable. Scum do. I picked up on this because I did similar things in my first scum game.In post 174, Cheesy wrote:I still don't see the problem with it. Perhaps you are reading too much into this?Or perhaps I'm blind.
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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=GoIn post 177, Cheesy wrote:I think our differences come from the fact I have experience mostly in real life mafia where interactions are different and you get instant feedback from everybody. It's difficult to adjust.
Check out my 97 from this game. I'm scum. I used the very same defense you're using right now.-
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Chess is great. A+In post 191, tojam2 wrote:And I got my first 4 move mate as a 14 y/o, I also ran the school chess club, so what if you made a checkmate. That's besides the point though, I'm going to struggle to apply logic to this thread tonight as I got home from school two and a half hours ago, left 45 minutes later returned 70 minutes later and I have to go out again in 20 minutes for 2 hours, which takes me round to 10 p.m. GMT by which time I will lack the capacity to pick up my phone and read this.
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Misapplied meta can come from stupid town too.In post 292, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Not pre-flip, misapplied meta.In post 291, LicketyQuickety wrote:
That's pre-flip.In post 290, Gamma Emerald wrote:Not impressed by TB. He seems to be pushing Cheesy on play he knows is the player's town play.
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In post 127, Vedith wrote: So who's scum?
On re-read, this pinged me as way scummy from Cheesy.In post 128, Cheesy wrote:I think I like Mr.Snowman the least.
Realeo pinged me with that "parking the vote and unvoting" thing, which ThinkBig pointed out (credit to him) but I think it may be playstyle related on nn30 hurried too much with his vote. However it's fine since they apparently don't know each other so I'm going to assume it was a Town vs Town interaction.
Going back to Mr.Snowman I don't like the only things he posted is a fluff post and a setup speculation post.But I think it's too early to judge with the amount of content he's provided.
His comments on Realeo are unoriginal so I can't give any town credit there.
His original thoughts are on SnarkySnowman - and at the time of 128 Snowman had made a whopping two posts. So instead of looking at the game and making an earnest effort to solve the game, he took a swipe at low hanging fruit. He even acknowledged this with the bolded from above.
This approach is non-commital, fence-sitty, and more likely to be scum motivated than town motivated.
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Heh, you're an adorable hypocrite Cheesy!In post 221, Cheesy wrote:At least he's taking a decisive stance
@Town - ISO him. In the entire game, he's taken exactly 1 hard stance and it was in order to vote Vedith based on meta (fairly weak). The rest of what he's done is poke holes in other people's thoughts.
He isn't scum hunting.
He isn't town hunting.
He isn't trying to solve the game.
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How does this have anything to do with Cheese?In post 460, Gamma Emerald wrote:
TB's push is horribleIn post 445, nn30 wrote:Somebody who is town reading Cheese - tell me why-
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In that case, pre-flip associative. Discount that.In post 475, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Its a question of whether he is distancing or not.In post 473, nn30 wrote:
How does this have anything to do with Cheese?In post 460, Gamma Emerald wrote:
TB's push is horribleIn post 445, nn30 wrote:Somebody who is town reading Cheese - tell me why
I want to know why Cheesy is town or scum based on what Cheesy has done this game. I don't care about TB right now.-
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Realeo has claimed that he made that read list to get reactions.In post 493, SnarkySnowman wrote:Read cheesy, I'm pretty positive that's a town slot. Reading Realeo next, because anyone who townreads me when I've made like 2 posts is usually scum.
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Pass.In post 556, aronagrundy wrote:Anyone want to vote nn30 with me?
Also, why are you asking permission...?-
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Ugh.In post 719, aronagrundy wrote:Also we should have a conversation about realeo since his slot seems to be in the hot seat. Would scum really replace out like he did? He surely would know that his actions would be scrutinized by everyone by replacing out. Or should we take his replace out at face value (that his emotionsm bias against vedith's slot)? Just wondering here, since we're waiting on multiple replacements here.
Replace out WIFOM.
So, I just finished a game where a town replaced out for real and a scum came 99% of the way to replacing out before calming down and coming back. So, I think to could happen from either alignment. I'm having trouble reading anything Real did leading up to replacing out as town, however. I think that's the more important discussion to have.-
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They're 100% not teammates due to the double replace.In post 720, ThinkBig wrote:
This is why I think they're not scum together. Even for the most distancing scum team, it is unlikely they would both replace out. One of them is town and the other is most likely scum.In post 719, aronagrundy wrote:Also we should have a conversation about realeo since his slot seems to be in the hot seat. Would scum really replace out like he did?
Let's talk about something worthy.
I'd like to lynch Realo because 1) I scum read him before the replace out and 2) we get a pseudo conf town out of the flip if he flips red.
p-edit - I thought he said the argument could be TvT or TvS?-
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@Arona - ahh yes, he discounts this.
@TB - why do you discount the TvT in your recent post?
Realeo has played with Vedith before, but doesn't understand that Vedith was joking during RVS? Unlikely.
651 and 668 didn't sit well with me to begin with. In the space of a page, he goes from "he's scum!" to "he's town!" Didn't sit well with me, though itcouldbe coming from town, this wasn't my initial impression.-
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This feels bad.In post 740, tojam2 wrote:If it's TvT or TvS either determine scum or f*** the argument and move onto something more productive.
I'm going to move my vote onto someone who I feel is spouting bs.
VOTE: Realeo
Fuck the conversation, but I'm going to vote one of the subjects of the conversation?-
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Post a non-shit post then!In post 750, culted wrote:Welcome titus and vax!
This game is a shitpost slog. Good luck reading it.
Thoughts on TB, nn30 and cheesy?
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Well, mostly people reading the game in order to discern alignments. So, town.
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There's exactly 0 reason for me to be bussing right there.In post 804, Gamma Emerald wrote:
This is also a bad use if pre-flips. nn30 could be scum bussing his partner.In post 781, Vaxkiller wrote:For now I'm willing to believe Vedith v reeleo was TvT.
I've never seen Vedith replace out, but I'm sure its happened before. I feel its pretty unlikely his slot is scum. While reeleo COULD be scum, I really think its more than likely town.
I think we have scum in nn30 and/or toejam for the opportunistic as hell votes for no reason, and we need to be voting them right now.
They're 100% not teammates due to opportunistic vote when being replaced.In post 724, nn30 wrote:They're 100% not teammates due to the double replace.
Let's talk about something worthy.
I'd like to lynch Realo because 1) I scum read him before the replace out and 2) we get a pseudo conf town out of the flip if he flips red.
Let's talk about something worthy.
I'd like to lynch nn30 because 1) I scum read him before I even knew this game existed 2) we get a pseudo conf town out of the flip if he flips red.
I would be happy voting nn30 as well. Lynching one of them gives even more info. If one flips scum, reeleo slot is town, and the other one is likely scum too!-
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What makes this fishy for you?In post 855, LicketyQuickety wrote:
I find this fishy of Culted honestly.In post 853, SnarkySnowman wrote:
For a while now, yeah.In post 846, culted wrote:
The fuck snarky is in this game?In post 767, SnarkySnowman wrote:Titus, Realeo is almost confirmed scum, please comment on that-
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Saw that after posting. Thanks.
I don't find it fishy. I missed Snarky too for a while...
I don't feel like we're getting very far right now.
My town list:
LQ - Early game interactions with me + general behavior.
Cheesy - I came around. Still gut and I wish he'd hunt more but *shrug*
Vedith/Titus - Primarily for the sub out. I don't think scum actually subs out in this scenario. Ftr I don't like Titus' play since subbing in but the sub out is strong enough in my mind that this slot is still townie
Everyone else is just a blur. We've done nothing but shit post this game and it's not helping me get any reads.
VOTE: Arona
In 100 words or less, why are you town Arona?-
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Good observation.In post 1015, Formerfish wrote:Earlier in the game you town read someone, and then took that town read away due to what you thought was an overwillingness to accept your town read. Now you town read me off a question, and when I question your town read you say you may be wrong?-
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I am not town reading Cheesy/Realo(Realo's replacement?) and Vedith/Vedith's replacement) as well as Gamma.
Light town read on Arona too.
I love having 10 pages to work with - it gives me a chance at a birds eye view of the game (similar to replacing in but not exact).
I think LQ is scum.
VOTE: LQ
No recent VC so I have no idea where that puts him (I saw L-2 earlier? So I'm assuming it's not hammer).-
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You guys are goddamned prolific.
I don't have the time to re-read 30 pages and over analyze anything (I've been skimming as things happen however).
I like Fish, Cheesy, Titus, and Gamma for town.
Tojam and Arona are more iffy IMO.
Fish is basically god status as far as I'm concerned. I'll sheep whatever he wants me to since I don't have the time to put into this that he does.-
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Because I didn't know where his vote was.In post 1597, Titus wrote:Then why are you not voting LQ?
VOTE: LQ
FTR - I scum read this slot yesterday (about 2309230 pages ago).
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You're right. I was town reading you for that.In post 1608, LicketyQuickety wrote:
As far as I was aware, you town read me for taking the Town read away from you for when I assumed you were just accepting the Town read by me on you. Now I think there is a chance that you were BSing when I took the Town read away and that you were just trying to cover your ass.In post 1605, nn30 wrote:
Because I didn't know where his vote was.In post 1597, Titus wrote:Then why are you not voting LQ?
VOTE: LQ
FTR - I scum read this slot yesterday (about 2309230 pages ago).
So yeah.
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But I honestly don't know how to read this:In post 106, nn30 wrote:And I can town read you for taking away my town read for not questioning your town read on me.
*whew*
In all seriousness, the 'that's a start' was more of a 'great, what do you think of the actual post' than 'SWEET I'M GETTING TOWN READ.'
I can see how you interpreted this post the other way, though. My initial thought was just that - not to trust you throwing me a town-read. You just modded a game with me in it and could see that I tend to care about whether or not I'm getting town read and could use that against me in this game.
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In that case, pre-flip associative. Discount that.In post 475, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Its a question of whether he is distancing or not.In post 473, nn30 wrote:
How does this have anything to do with Cheese?In post 460, Gamma Emerald wrote:
TB's push is horribleIn post 445, nn30 wrote:Somebody who is town reading Cheese - tell me why
I want to know why Cheesy is town or scum based on what Cheesy has done this game. I don't care about TB right now.
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P-edit: I assume that since I said 'I don't want to talk about TB right now' you're interpreting it as a soft defense of a scum buddy. It wasn't.
Also, you put some quotes together which don't belong together at the end of your post. Tacking on 1615 and 1608 is really misleading since they were never meant to respond to the above quotes you included.-
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To anyone that isn't me, the fact that they weren't separated in the original comment suggests that they were connected comments when in fact they were not.In post 1621, Formerfish wrote:NN, I was confused by that. Are you saying that because you didn't direct a quote to Lickety that he shouldnt respond to it?-
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I'm not dodging.In post 1620, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Why not?In post 1617, nn30 wrote:
P-edit: I assume that since I said 'I don't want to talk about TB right now' you're interpreting it as a soft defense of a scum buddy. It wasn't.
Bro, I quote people more often than I don't. Deal.In post 1617, nn30 wrote:Also, you put some quotes together which don't belong together at the end of your post. Tacking on 1615 and 1608 is really misleading since they were never meant to respond to the above quotes you included.
And answer what I asked you as well, you're dodging.
I was not soft defending TB. I actually just didn't want to talk about him because I wanted to focus elsewhere. This can easily come from a townie.
If you're going to scum read me, you're going to need more than OMGUS and a cherry picked behavior of mine, scumboi.-
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Don't do this.In post 1632, LicketyQuickety wrote:MOAR votes on nn30!
I'm town.
Assuming we can trust Titus (I do) and you're town (I think you are since I trust Titus) you need to de-OMGUS me and consider me possibly still town.
I think your reasons for scum reading me were weak. You're looking for a gotcha moment and, while you may have found one in my 'soft defense' of TB, such a single instance isn't good enough.
I genuinely didn't like your posting yesterday. It felt scum motivated.
*shrug*
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I didn't interact with many people this game.In post 1641, LicketyQuickety wrote:In post 396, ThinkBig wrote:LQ, why the change in tone and behavior?In post 397, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Because it turns out I do have some confidence after all.In post 396, ThinkBig wrote:LQ, why the change in tone and behavior?
Both nn30 and TB both questioning me here. At this point in the game these two have not interacted at all with each other.In post 398, nn30 wrote:????
I was in 5 games at the time and this is one I wasn't super interested in.
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