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Lmao it's my "birthday"
It's not but w/e
Regardless that's not really relevant and it'd be much more inclined to trust you if your friendly question were accompanied by a more useful question or comment.
Aside from that, the fact that your initial post was to acknowledge uzi but you voted me instead is a bit odd
I'm not going to get into the pedantic argument about "person who starts wagon is scum" but itisa possibility
As such, I'll ignore the gamma bait for now.
I don't get what your problem is btw gamma, because we were on the SAME side e.e
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VOTE: alisae"They don't think it be like it is, but it do." -Oscar Gamble
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It's not actually my birthday
Hence the airquotes XD
Privacy reasons
Regarding gamma it's really weird because he was cop and i was vt
And we early deathtunneled and then we became very pro-each other
So i mean i don't see why that would happen again"They don't think it be like it is, but it do." -Oscar Gamble
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Why do you want RVS to last so long?In post 46, Alisae wrote:
In RVS? Why are you trying to get conversation going so quickly when we're only in a page in. Why do you want out of RVS so fast?In post 23, Zyf wrote:Lmao it's my "birthday"
It's not but w/e
Regardless that's not really relevant and it'd be much more inclined to trust you if your friendly question were accompanied by a more useful question or comment.
Aside from that, the fact that your initial post was to acknowledge uzi but you voted me instead is a bit odd
I'm not going to get into the pedantic argument about "person who starts wagon is scum" but itisa possibility
As such, I'll ignore the gamma bait for now.
I don't get what your problem is btw gamma, because we were on the SAME side e.e
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VOTE: alisae
Everyone should have the most freedom of time now, and besides, RVS doesn't do jack squat.
Why are you trying to extend RVS?
There is extremely little benefit of RVS relative to once the real voting starts, and there's detriment in the form of false friendship.
I don't trust you."They don't think it be like it is, but it do." -Oscar Gamble
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avatar is not brokenIn post 42, Hawk wrote:Hey Zyf is your avatar broken or is it something good weird cause I'm on Mobile?
Also Answering Alisae I watched a movie and ate pizza with friends. Then we played terrible semi drunken Mafia.
i deliberately screenshotted the broken avatar picture and set it as my avatar
just to irritate people"They don't think it be like it is, but it do." -Oscar Gamble
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the system thinks it's my birthdayIn post 52, Superhans wrote:Zyf is chatting breeze but this is RVS so I don't think it means anything. It would be nice if u could explain what u mean when u say it's ur birthday.
that's why there's a cake next to my name
but it's not actually my birthday
also what is pointless the cake talk or the push"They don't think it be like it is, but it do." -Oscar Gamble
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gamma and I have played one game togetherIn post 58, Superhans wrote:@Zyf
What'd ya mean in 23 when you say u and Gamma r on the same side? Sorry if I'm being a block head :-/
he suggests that we will deathtunnel each other, but it makes no sense because in the other game we deathtunnelled each other early but were wrong about each other
i was a vt and he was cop
so if anything i'd be less inclined to trust my judgements on him"They don't think it be like it is, but it do." -Oscar Gamble
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enlighten meIn post 60, Dwlee99 wrote:VOTE: Gendaberry
Lol didnt realize the game started.
The gendaberry MUST DIE"They don't think it be like it is, but it do." -Oscar Gamble
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I don't like the fact that you're acting like RQS has meritIn post 66, Alisae wrote:I don't like how he attempted to shut down my attempt at a RQS.
I also don't like the fact that you're using only that half of my argument to try and justify your initially RVS vote and start an actual wagon on me, when I also discussed init!wagon habits for scum being a possibility
The fact that you acted in such a prickly way to such a light push also doesn't convince me you're towny
at all"They don't think it be like it is, but it do." -Oscar Gamble
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there is no such thing as a "natural" end to RVS. It ends when someone decides to end it. Obviously, you want to extend it, because rather than saying "let's get a wagon going" you just kinda vote me. Which gives me minor scum vibes, regardless of whether or not it's directed at me.In post 64, Alisae wrote:
Who said I want it to last long. I want it to be as natural as it can possibly be and I don't like how you're forcing us out of RVS.In post 55, Zyf wrote:
Why do you want RVS to last so long?In post 46, Alisae wrote:
In RVS? Why are you trying to get conversation going so quickly when we're only in a page in. Why do you want out of RVS so fast?In post 23, Zyf wrote:Lmao it's my "birthday"
It's not but w/e
Regardless that's not really relevant and it'd be much more inclined to trust you if your friendly question were accompanied by a more useful question or comment.
Aside from that, the fact that your initial post was to acknowledge uzi but you voted me instead is a bit odd
I'm not going to get into the pedantic argument about "person who starts wagon is scum" but itisa possibility
As such, I'll ignore the gamma bait for now.
I don't get what your problem is btw gamma, because we were on the SAME side e.e
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VOTE: alisae
Everyone should have the most freedom of time now, and besides, RVS doesn't do jack squat.
Why are you trying to extend RVS?
There is extremely little benefit of RVS relative to once the real voting starts, and there's detriment in the form of false friendship.
I don't trust you.
RVS does tons of things, one being testing reactions. Like for example you're acting very fucking poorly to my attempt at an RQS, and you are reacting poorly when I hopped on your wagon.
RVS last usually from 2-3 pages till like 5 pages.
Screw RQS. It's never been useful and I can't see it being useful in the foreseeable future. Not if it's random like that.
You say I react poorly to your vote on me, but it has nothing to do with me. It has everything to do with you nonchalantly trying to start a wagon without owning up to it."They don't think it be like it is, but it do." -Oscar Gamble
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that's precisely the problemIn post 71, Superhans wrote:Do you genuinely believe that Alisae is trying to set up a wagon?
I don't know
and that's part of the reason they're scummy to me"They don't think it be like it is, but it do." -Oscar Gamble
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not sure why your initial reaction if you're not sure whether trying to start a wagon is to support them rather than take a second look at them
idk maybe it's just me"They don't think it be like it is, but it do." -Oscar Gamble
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And what am I doing?In post 74, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Probably because the information he received won't help in regards to determining ones alignment.In post 67, Desperado wrote:I didn't keep tally but I'd say >50% of the game still responded tho. Why aren't you doing anything with the information that you did get?
pulling information for determining alignment
but no
apparently that's a bad thing because I cut them off and all of a sudden they're gonna react all spiky?"They don't think it be like it is, but it do." -Oscar Gamble
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I can support this
I don't particularly like you backing off just because you're not getting support, and if hans flips scum you're still quite a possible partner, buuuuut....
VOTE: SuperhansIn post 78, Superhans wrote:Y is zyf probably town?
What kind of reasoning is this?
the only reason you got on my wagon is because it could be a wagon
but when the wagon ends apparently you had a reason to think I was scum?
Why was I scum in the first place? For poor reasoning?
I didn't have much to work with to begin with. That whole thing was a poke to get reactions from alisae and others
and you did some weiiiiiiird things
are you an alt or are you actually new to this?"They don't think it be like it is, but it do." -Oscar Gamble
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the one who's buddying the fk out of you is hansIn post 89, Alisae wrote:To be fair, I dunno why he would answer it for me. Comes off as trying to whiteknight or buddy me or some shit."They don't think it be like it is, but it do." -Oscar Gamble
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please use the quote system from now onIn post 97, Desperado wrote:That's not how I read it and I don't think that's the way you intended it either.
or at least @ the person, it gets confusing"They don't think it be like it is, but it do." -Oscar Gamble
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not sure I follow this...?In post 95, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
It puts him a bad light because it implies he's just asking questions to look busy.In post 93, Desperado wrote:How does it do that?"They don't think it be like it is, but it do." -Oscar Gamble
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Ok man lookIn post 100, Alisae wrote:I know that Zyf
If you could be more articulate and transparent that would help my read on you a lot, otherwise you're gonna be stuck on my nullscum list all game regardless of whether or not you're actually scum
If part of the reason you don't like someone is because they're buddying you (aka hans), when you vote, say everything. Including what you said AND your dislike of the buddying
be full in your answers please"They don't think it be like it is, but it do." -Oscar Gamble
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no, your reasoning sucksIn post 80, Superhans wrote:His reasoning sucks
because you don't have any to begin with
being wrong is not a scumtell lmao"They don't think it be like it is, but it do." -Oscar Gamble
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being not explanatory, unclear, and un-transparent is much more scummyIn post 103, Zyf wrote:
no, your reasoning sucksIn post 80, Superhans wrote:His reasoning sucks
because you don't have any to begin with
being wrong is not a scumtell lmao"They don't think it be like it is, but it do." -Oscar Gamble
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basically don't separate these twoIn post 83, Alisae wrote:
That's why the dude is being votedIn post 82, Gendaberry wrote:I can't tell if you're trying to just sheep Alisae or not."They don't think it be like it is, but it do." -Oscar Gamble
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no like i don't get what you're saying about being in a bad light to begin with what are you even referring to. Alisae's RQS? Or my response to that? Or his response to my poke?In post 108, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Why? It's how I usually feel about questions like that but I don't find them particularly AI. Just seemed like filler. Compared to standard RQS questions, I found it harmless.In post 101, Zyf wrote:
not sure I follow this...?In post 95, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
It puts him a bad light because it implies he's just asking questions to look busy.In post 93, Desperado wrote:How does it do that?"They don't think it be like it is, but it do." -Oscar Gamble
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OOHHHHHH i get it
never mind
you're saying that your statement that Alisae found no use in the initial convo puts alisae in a bad light, while desperado and alisae are saying you're doing it to buddy/wk them
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**the only wagonIn post 91, Alisae wrote:I guess we are. I would love to join you but I wanna see what we could get out of Superhans first. He sorta just jumped on one of the largest wagons.
****with the sole reason being "oh it's a wagon? let me jump on""They don't think it be like it is, but it do." -Oscar Gamble
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yepIn post 118, Desperado wrote:Apparently it's the difference between my vote being counted or not.
I think the mod is new."They don't think it be like it is, but it do." -Oscar Gamble
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HURT: Mod
in case you're just skipping over bolded stuff"They don't think it be like it is, but it do." -Oscar Gamble
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If ur gonna gut read early anti-rvs pokes you should get on a relevant wagonIn post 76, A Simple Plan wrote:... Gut town on Zyf.
Btw desperado accusing someone of answering your question directed towards someone else isn't exactly a great tell. Also if uzi were wk-ing it's still totally a possibility for ali to be scum, and you'd have been making an actual wagon with me at that point if you had voted ali instead.
But w/e, hans is a more important flip right now"They don't think it be like it is, but it do." -Oscar Gamble
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what the FUCK dudeIn post 131, Superhans wrote:
I don't think Alisae was setting up a wagon, and I thought that accusing her of doing so was a bit strange.In post 72, Zyf wrote:
that's precisely the problemIn post 71, Superhans wrote:Do you genuinely believe that Alisae is trying to set up a wagon?
I don't know
and that's part of the reason they're scummy to me
You also discrredit alisae in post 55 for a really benign reason - for wanting to end RVS quickly which is a good thing imho.
1) alisae's a he buddy
2) Why are you scumreading me? Like you have yet to give a reason to scumread me and the only reason you voted me is that I said alisae was creating a wagon without owning up to it. Which is what they did. Their RVS vote stacked with Gamma's. But they CLEARLY didn't want to end RVS/RQS, because first of all, they didn't say anything like "let's get a wagon going", and second of all, not even a page later they tried to initiate RQS.
3) The only reason you couldpossiblybe scumreading me is because "my reasoning makes no sense". But that's even more poor reasoning than mine, because not knowing the answers isn't a scumtell. If being stupid were a scumtell you'd be fking scum because you don't even have a grasp of what was happening and are twisting events so that you can now LATER ON justify your random-ass vote as a justified one.
4) Me. I ended RVS. Not alisae. RQS and RVS are pretty much the same thing, so don't try and pull that on me.
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5)@other people-Is spreading information over multiple posts considered a scumtell? I know that it's supposed to be scummy if they're claiming, but wouldn't it apply to other things? Like justification for a vote way later? (It still hasn't come)"They don't think it be like it is, but it do." -Oscar Gamble
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LOOOLIn post 144, Superhans wrote:
Zyf how is me voting you buddying Alisae? Your attack on Alisae is my biggest scum read on you, and I don't know exactly what I've done that you find weird.In post 96, Zyf wrote:I can support this
I don't particularly like you backing off just because you're not getting support, and if hans flips scum you're still quite a possible partner, buuuuut....
VOTE: SuperhansIn post 78, Superhans wrote:Y is zyf probably town?
What kind of reasoning is this?
the only reason you got on my wagon is because it could be a wagon
but when the wagon ends apparently you had a reason to think I was scum?
Why was I scum in the first place? For poor reasoning?
I didn't have much to work with to begin with. That whole thing was a poke to get reactions from alisae and others
and you did some weiiiiiiird things
are you an alt or are you actually new to this?
What reactionsdidyou get from Alisae? (convenient that 'the whole thing was a poke'). In answer to whether I am an alt or not, I don't think I have any obligation to tell you and I don't see how its really that relevant.
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I interpreted your post in 125 as you town reading Zyf.
Ok. So.
I already SAID all this, so if you could please READ in a more unbiased way instead of skimming all of my goddamn posts. I hate when people do that.
1) Voting me like that was scummy and buddying because you gave absolutely no reason to do so––you not only support alisae for the precise reason that I was scumreading them, but you then vote me with no justification other than "oh a wagon". Your reasoning came just now. Like fkin 4 pages later. If you can get this point through into your head, because I've said it like 3 times now, that would be great. Geez.
2) YOU STILL HAVEN'T EXPLAINED WHY IT'S WEIRD. I clearly explained that the entire thing was a poke because we didn't have much information to work with. You have called it scummy for being weak reasoning.
Well no SHIT it's weak reasoning, I'm working with a page's worth of information. You accusing it of being scummy is incredibly oversensitive and your expectations are unreasonable if you actually think I can come up with a solid push off RVS shit. Like, c'mon.
3) I already saidthis, too,but I got information about alisae and in particular you, which is why you're scum rn. To be more specific (because apparently all the info needs to be in a post that fucking concerns you <<<<Scummy due to confidence), Alisae reacted unusually spikily and came up with an unusually aggressive defense. Them dropping the vote on me immediately following my support by others is also a bit concerning, though more understandable. YOU, however, immediately responded by trying to defend them, which is already odd. You then proceed to actually join them on their wagon for either horrendous or fking non-existent reasons (Ireally shouldhave to be doing hypotheticals on your reasoning at this point, because you're being aggressive as fk for someone with no back-up information), which is worse than poor reasons. Because you're not even really owning up to it. You can call it gut later. Which is bullshit because it's clearly not gut, I just don't know what it is. On top of that, you're not trying to build a case on me or anything. You're just doubting people for thinking I'm town. You're not trying, you're just acting like you're trying.not
And then you pull out the "I don't get what's happening so go easy on me" card.
4)^that. That's why I want to know if you're an alt. If you're actually new to this game I'm less likely to call your actions scummy and consider them actions just because you're new and you don't actually don't have a strong grasp of what's happening rn. As it stands, youarean alt because that was awfully defensive of you rather than a small deflection, so you're scum."They don't think it be like it is, but it do." -Oscar Gamble
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@You goddamnit
What is your read on me and WhY?"They don't think it be like it is, but it do." -Oscar Gamble
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In post 126, rb wrote:gamma and superhans explain please
Hey look, someone else even asked you. Why the hell aren't you doing it?In post 149, Superhans wrote:Definitely sketchy posts, I would disagree that 74 is necessarily scummy, your question to Alisae wasn't exactly difficult.
92 <- This is calculating play; Uzi is scum reading Alisae without actually committing himself to saying so.
95 <- Again Uzi is scum reading without actually scum reading.
You mean what you're doing? Scumreading via bullshit/soft/non-existent reasoning?
Also I'd like to note that you are now giving reasoning for someone else as scum that's way more concrete than what you've given for me, yet continue to ignore making a case against me BUT continuing to vote me.
You're also LITERALLY CLONING desperado. All that has already been implicitly or explicitly said, we get that those posts are supposed to be scummy. I just don't really see it b/c that's how I felt Uzi was last time I played with him but apparently that was his town play.
But the fact that you're copying someone else when they LITERALLY JUST POSTED IT is scummy.
I'd also like to note that your aggresion ramped way the fk up after I voted you, starting with a desperate search for someone to defend you as town or support you against me. Which is also concerningly scummy.
That couldn't have been more of a "townread me! townread me!" attitude if you tried as hard as you could
VOTE: Superhans definitely not a poke vote any more"They don't think it be like it is, but it do." -Oscar Gamble
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if I need to explain it more explicitly, ^^^^^^^^^^everyone vote here^^^^^^^^^^
Uzi can come later, he hasn't done nearly as much as hans and as someone who's played with him before I'm hesitant to read his play as scummy.
@Gamma-Do you agree with me on uzi's play now vs in the other game, or is it just me?"They don't think it be like it is, but it do." -Oscar Gamble
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1) you still haven't explained your scumread on me and instead continually call my points "weak" simply because you can't get past the fact that I'm treating you as stupid
(because you have all the time in the world to justify other things but can't justify your own goddamn vote)
2) holy fuck I already explained that the Alisae read was initially forced to get us out of RVS this is the 4th time now
3) point 5 really isn't pedantic. IMO people spreading points around over time means that they didn't have a solid idea to begin with and just wanted to look like they were fitting in--this is the reason I think you're being desperate. You start "helping," but you haven't really added anything.
4) Yes that is cloning because he was clearly asking for VOTE support, not for you to repeat what he already said, agree, and then not vote on it.
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^^^^^^extremely suss rn
didn't ask for a claim, didn't call L-1, didn't make a comment
just kinda slipped in and put hans at L-1"They don't think it be like it is, but it do." -Oscar Gamble
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thoroughly concerned because desperado vote was half bait and you're awfully swingy based on whether or not I'm pushing youIn post 170, Superhans wrote: thanks for looking out for me
but there are more concerning things to take care of rn, so if you could kindly please vote desperado because i need some answers"They don't think it be like it is, but it do." -Oscar Gamble
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ok that makes more sense, thank youIn post 172, Superhans wrote:@Zyf
In all honesty my vote on you wasn't founded with 100% certainty, it was like page 3, and my rationale is in 160. It looks incredibly weak rn because the game has progressed by a large extent, and my vote has had none of the effects that I wanted it to have. (although it certainly has helped shape my opinion on other players, so will be useful for future reads if i can survive d1).
what effects were you looking for, exactly?
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Anyway, the fact that they say hi to uzi and then just vote me without saying anything like "let's get a wagon going" would be fine, except for the fact that they tried to initiate RQS after. It was a rather weak push (I didn't have much to work with), but evidently it got the game off the ground.
The vote on you was not opportunistic. The vote on you was because it felt like you were being opportunistic by trying to join a wagon that was an RVS wagon, except that you were doing it seriously but without any reasoning."They don't think it be like it is, but it do." -Oscar Gamble
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that's not the problem hereIn post 174, Superhans wrote:@Desperado, why did you make a naked vote?
Even if all the reasoning has been made beforehand, you still need to explain what exactly inspires you to vote me.
the problem is that next vote was a fucking lynch and it was desperado's responsibility to call L-1
or else we'd all be fucked"They don't think it be like it is, but it do." -Oscar Gamble
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there most certainly wasIn post 183, Superhans wrote:
? There wasn't a wagon on you...In post 175, Zyf wrote:
ok that makes more sense, thank youIn post 172, Superhans wrote:@Zyf
In all honesty my vote on you wasn't founded with 100% certainty, it was like page 3, and my rationale is in 160. It looks incredibly weak rn because the game has progressed by a large extent, and my vote has had none of the effects that I wanted it to have. (although it certainly has helped shape my opinion on other players, so will be useful for future reads if i can survive d1).
what effects were you looking for, exactly?
A L I S A E I S A H E
Anyway, the fact that they say hi to uzi and then just vote me without saying anything like "let's get a wagon going" would be fine, except for the fact that they tried to initiate RQS after. It was a rather weak push (I didn't have much to work with), but evidently it got the game off the ground.
The vote on you was not opportunistic. The vote on you was because it felt like you were being opportunistic by trying to join a wagon that was an RVS wagon, except that you were doing it seriously but without any reasoning.
gamma + ali + you
it doesn't matter whether or not it's RVS or if it's valid, it's still a wagon"They don't think it be like it is, but it do." -Oscar Gamble
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dudeIn post 188, Superhans wrote:There is a criminally scarce amount of content from A Simple Plan, Gamma, Gendaberry, ArcAngel9 and Hawk...
it's new years
give them the benefit of the doubt"They don't think it be like it is, but it do." -Oscar Gamble
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oh, ok, good no knowIn post 181, D3f3nd3r wrote:The thing with Super's wagon is, there's at the very least one person (Hawk) who is still on Super as an RVS vote. If Hawk isn't thinking that anymore, might be good for him to unvote.
The fact that every single one of his votes has come this way is a little bit weird, but I poked through (SK) his (Scum) meta (Town) a bit and he seems to do that somewhat as all alignments. The blame is also on Rb a bit, since hitting L-2 this early in the Day isn't the most common of things.In post 169, Zyf wrote:^^^^^^extremely suss rn
didn't ask for a claim, didn't call L-1, didn't make a comment
just kinda slipped in and put hans at L-1
thanks for that
VOTE: Hans
L-1 I swear to god if there's a lolhammer"They don't think it be like it is, but it do." -Oscar Gamble
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In post 187, James3 wrote:
ok wow extremely scummy shit right hereIn post 193, Superhans wrote:
we've got like 2 days or something till we need a lynch... not infeasible that scum could just coast through D1 without posting.In post 191, Zyf wrote:
dudeIn post 188, Superhans wrote:There is a criminally scarce amount of content from A Simple Plan, Gamma, Gendaberry, ArcAngel9 and Hawk...
it's new years
give them the benefit of the doubt
we have 11 days
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you're the one smearing others, and I don't like thatIn post 199, Superhans wrote:And why if you know there's 11 days would you place me in a situation vulnerable to a lolhammer?
no one will lolhammer, because if they do they're fucked"They don't think it be like it is, but it do." -Oscar Gamble
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because I've been informed that it's a thing he has done before and doesn't break a pattern of any sortIn post 196, Superhans wrote:y would you vote desperado for a pressure vote, then before he has a chance to even respond, you unvote?"They don't think it be like it is, but it do." -Oscar Gamble
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it wasn't you messing up though. suggesting that the people that haven't posted are scummy is a load of bsIn post 198, Superhans wrote:also saying something is scummy shit, doesn't make it scummy shit. U think that me messing up is scummy?
lurkscum isn't actually that common in my experience"They don't think it be like it is, but it do." -Oscar Gamble
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i'd like to tell you all you're fuckheads
peace out bitches
also thank me later
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