OPEN 663: STACK THE DECK (GAME OVER)
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Your not?In post 24, Superhans wrote:Dude I'm L1 b careful
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I don't like this vote, I don't have any issues pressuring a slot, but this vote here stinks. The whole manner of it, and how it's come about is wrong.In post 136, Superhans wrote:
I can get behind a pressure wagon.In post 135, Dunnstral wrote:
He's not engaging in anything while being here, very odd for him.In post 117, Superhans wrote:@Dunnstral,
Why are you voting Gamma?
Would you want to convince other players to do the same?
MARIA is also trying to be as scummy as possible it would seem
VOTE: Gamma Emerald
Whist I agree with this sentiment, but at the time it doesn't look like anyone is actually pushing through with the lynch. They are pressuring, not lynching.In post 194, ThinkBig wrote:We have 12 days left. No need to rush a lynch.
This is reeking of trying to look town and have town intentions. I don't like it.You'll Never Walk Alone!-
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This is throwing shade.In post 201, Secret Agent Jin wrote:
I take it as you saying that you are not going to play the tactic of being VI and attempt to play to your fullest so we shouldn't lynch you because you are going to play pro-town. That is something a scum would do to let everyone know they were "town" and to look else where. Its a failsafe to fall back on and shed votes at L-2 or L-1. "Hey, look, i said i was pro-town, give me a chance".In post 191, Realeo wrote:
Enlighten me. The faux-VI supposed to be a NAI.In post 189, Secret Agent Jin wrote:Yeah, Realeo's last few posts, all the faux-VI ones, seem like they would come from a place of scum.
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In post 210, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
I want to lynch realeo. He's used doctor and cop emojis already, I think he's trying to setup fakeclaim crumbs and needs ropeIn post 200, Dunnstral wrote:I don't want to lynch RealeoIn post 211, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:also if maf didn't recruit the traitor he could be making obvious PR crumbs to try to get his team to shoot him and recruit him if he's the traitor
These are baseless accusations. They hold no truth or any argument that can hold any water, using them emojis doesn't exactly have a warrant to lynch him, based on that.
As for your second point, that's wrong. If I'm recalling correctly, if they shoot the traitor, he dies. I once had the traitor role and mafia shot me, and I died. I didn't join them.
I'd choose to push a lynch between you, or Superhans right now.You'll Never Walk Alone!-
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You explained yourself regarding the VI, but SAJ decides to throw shade on the whole thing by saying you could be using that as a excuse to look like your playing pro town. It's discrediting what you have said, and throwing shade by keeping the focus, purely on that.In post 220, Realeo wrote:
Ok. Enlighten me.In post 206, Kop wrote:
This is throwing shade.In post 201, Secret Agent Jin wrote:
I take it as you saying that you are not going to play the tactic of being VI and attempt to play to your fullest so we shouldn't lynch you because you are going to play pro-town. That is something a scum would do to let everyone know they were "town" and to look else where. Its a failsafe to fall back on and shed votes at L-2 or L-1. "Hey, look, i said i was pro-town, give me a chance".In post 191, Realeo wrote:
Enlighten me. The faux-VI supposed to be a NAI.In post 189, Secret Agent Jin wrote:Yeah, Realeo's last few posts, all the faux-VI ones, seem like they would come from a place of scum.
VOTE: Realeo
Like myself, I've seen what you have had to say, and I don't discredit it to a point where I'd be pushing you, based on that. I'd rather focus my energy and thoughts onto other meaningful matters that need attention.You'll Never Walk Alone!-
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He could do that, but if he acts scummy enough to look scum, he will be lynched on that. Not what he claims of being a VI.In post 225, Secret Agent Jin wrote:@Realeo i didnt say you are shedding attention now, i said IN THE FUTURE, you could use the arguement about pro-town/anti-vi to shed votes. I read you as scum, yes, but a competent scum.
If he brings on the attention onto himself that warrants lynching for, he will have to use something else to show that he has town intentions and is actually town, than quoting something he used early game.You'll Never Walk Alone!-
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What are your reads up to now?In post 236, Secret Agent Jin wrote:Alright, ill drop it but if he is scum just remember i told you.You'll Never Walk Alone!-
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He can't fool crumb doc role considering there is no doctor in this setup, or at least doesn't mention doctor being in this setup.
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I didn't realise it's BP until I looked at the setup specs. It's one shot though, but obviously that doesn't mean anything, just means scum won't shoot that slot again.In post 224, Dunnstral wrote:mafia traitor is bulletproof btw so they wouldn't even dieYou'll Never Walk Alone!-
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I agree, but I don't see any point crumbing it. It would be plain stupid for someone to be brazen enough to stand up and shout hey I'm a cop, or I'm a doctor/bodyguard.In post 244, Dunnstral wrote:Bodyguard is close enough to doctor that that's what I'd take it as, by the way
And if he is stupid enough to do it, then well I'd not be lynching him based on that, the game will dictate what will happen if there was any truth in it.
Which I don't believe there is.You'll Never Walk Alone!-
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I haven't seen scum crumb roles, I've seen it more from town, but mostly masons, and investigative roles something they can go back too and back up there claim. However, it's not blatantly obvious.In post 246, MariaR wrote:Crumbing roles are something I expect scum to do more then town but it really is NAI unless it's leading up to someone being under pressure.You'll Never Walk Alone!-
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It's NAI to myself personally.In post 286, Superhans wrote:Question to the veterans:
Do town players substitute out at a greater rate than scum players, or is it usually the same rate?
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The fact that you haven't specifically said, what this bounce that makes you town read him, is?In post 327, algebra wrote:What's vague about it?
Anyone who lynches scum will be town read, if the whole leading up to, shows that it's town lynching scum, rather than strong confidence that one is going to flip scum, i.e bussing.In post 331, Antihuman wrote:It's only logical to townread people who lynched scum
1). I understand your point how it's easily manipulated, but some people have different playstyles early game. Some prefer RVS, some prefer RQS. It's NAI to me personally.In post 340, Antihuman wrote:@Gamma
1. RQS sucks because answers are easily manipulated and tailored to players
2. Dunn didn't look concerned with his 'wagon' at all. I wouldn't even call it a wagon
3. If it's TB's playstyle then he can easily incorporate it in his scumplay, especially that he's been encouraged by people being thankful. It's nai at best but I still don't like it
4. If I was going for a low hanging fruit, I would've just jumped on your wagon
Pedit this is a towny reaction. People should unvote gamma
3). I'm sure this comment has been brought up on another player, oh yes, it was Realeo. WIFOM shite again.
4). You know for a fact that if you had gone for Gamma, you'd look scummy coming in straight away and jumping on that wagon.
I normally laugh this off, but you've managed to get a few reactions, even though it actually shouldn't.In post 341, Antihuman wrote:I'm tunnelling you cause I'm a daycop with a guilty on you
Unfortunately, he seemed to get one from you. You can't deny that he did, because you wouldn't have quoted him, to put him right.In post 342, ThinkBig wrote:
Daycops are impossible in this setup. If you're looking to get a reaction out of me, you're not getting one. Sorry!In post 341, Antihuman wrote:I'm tunnelling you cause I'm a daycop with a guilty on you
What made you change from gamma to AH? Have you gone off Realeo?In post 364, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:@Desperado - Yeah, looked like really bad reasoning to me which is why I'm asking him questions. Didn't see anything specific about Thinkbig that would have made AH pick him off the Gamma wagon which makes me think his motivation there was to derail the Gamma wagon, rather than to find scum on it. I guess your vote makes sense, and I was going to vote AH when I read his TB case and looked into the votes on Gamma, but then I saw you vote AH and that steadies my hand a bit because your vote was naked and had just swapped from the leading (but losing traction) Gamma wagon onto the rapidly growing AH wagon. Anyways, as I write this post I realize there's better reason to vote for him being scummy than there is to not vote him because his wagon is moving fast.
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In post 352, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:AH what's your opinion on Gamma's vote on Desperado, and Desperado's sudden swap from voting Gamma to you?
Desperado, you switched from voting Gamma to voting the player defending Gamma pretty abruptly, can you further explain both of those votes because right now it looks like you're getting onto easy wagons
VOTE: Desperado
Why does Desperados vote steady your hand because it was naked?In post 364, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:@Desperado - Yeah, looked like really bad reasoning to me which is why I'm asking him questions. Didn't see anything specific about Thinkbig that would have made AH pick him off the Gamma wagon which makes me think his motivation there was to derail the Gamma wagon, rather than to find scum on it. I guess your vote makes sense, and I was going to vote AH when I read his TB case and looked into the votes on Gamma, but then I saw you vote AH and that steadies my hand a bit because your vote was naked and had just swapped from the leading (but losing traction) Gamma wagon onto the rapidly growing AH wagon. Anyways, as I write this post I realize there's better reason to vote for him being scummy than there is to not vote him because his wagon is moving fast.
VOTE: Antihuman
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He said scum theatre is a possibility. He never said that those 3 are as certain as you are implying it.In post 411, Realeo wrote:He said scum theater?You'll Never Walk Alone!-
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State your reasons because that's twice now that you have said something regarding myself, and twice you've not even bothered to state any reason why, or even engage with me.
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In post 516, ThinkBig wrote:@Desperado: AH was and still is my biggest SR. the reason I switched my vote was to provide pressure for dunnestral. He hasn't really been contributing and buddies in an anti-town kind of way. Thus my vote is for pressure. I'll certainly switch my vote back at a later time. This is simply my play style.
P-edit: Accusations and analysis of buddying and budding is best done after a flip. That is just my opinion. One doesn't necessarily follow the other.
See the quote above. You didn't specifically say you were still on his wagon, but you were happy to go back there at a later date.In post 524, ThinkBig wrote:
No, I don't get what you mean. When did I claim I was still on his wagon after voting for dunnestral?In post 523, Superhans wrote:Voting ThinkBig mainly for being on, and creating the AntiHuman wagon.
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Antihuman ( 4 ) - (Gamma Emerald, ThinkBig, Desperado, ssbm_Kyouko) <The AntiHuman wagon. You've unvoted and placed vote on Dunnstral, but you're claiming that you're very much still ON this wagon, if you get what I mean.
That in my eyes is you happy enough to go from a wagon that you are attempting to create that isn't going anywhere, to Antihuman. It's good as being on it.You'll Never Walk Alone!-
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Then it would be time to reevaluate the game. And look at the bigger picture because if both flip town, we're down on numbers greatly.In post 606, Superhans wrote:Or better way of phrasing question:
if AH IS scum, who would you guess could be his scum partner,
if TB IS scum, who would you guess could be his scum partner,
if Both turn out to be town, who would you guess could be scum?
Myself I'd rather a flip of either one that gives us the most information. And if one flips scum, we can then try work out his partners. Right now trying to work out partners on what if's is just WIFOM and stupid.You'll Never Walk Alone!-
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My reads change all the time as the game progresses on. I don't do scum reads on day one usually, I see the information in posts, and generally push wagons, etc. I work better when there's been flips and I have information that can back my thoughts up.In post 612, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:AH what's your opinion on Gamma's vote on Desperado, and Desperado's sudden swap from voting Gamma to you?
Gamma voted Desperado, if Gamma is scum he wouldn't start the cw on his partner
Desperado swapped to Antihuman, might make sesnseifGamma is scum, AH is town, and Desp is traitor.
AH wagon would also be cw to scum in this case.
Question is: Does Gamma have any plausible scumbuddies besides AH? Desperado is out unless he's traitor, so we'd need 1 more (or 2 if he's not the traitor).
Let's assume scum aren't going to hard bus their teammate in the middle of D1, so we look for a partner that wasn't on the Gamma wagon at it's apex
Kyouko - conftown to myselfIn post 326, grapes wrote:DAY 1 VC 005
(Superhans, ThinkBig, Realeo, Desperado, Kop)Gamma Emerald ( 5 ) -
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(expired on 2017-01-05 01:30:02) remain until deadline.
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RWF/AH - We're assuming this slot is the town cw to scum for this exercise
SAJ/Alisae - was not on the Gamma wagon but when he comes in he discredits AH case and soon after Gamma joins him in picking apart AH case to start a new wagon on AH. Replaces out. Alisae Says he doesn't like TB but soon after catching up a bit more says he doesn't like AH's push and votes AH. AH could be the counter to Gamma if Alisae and Gamma are buds
davesaz - Comes in to catch up to a 5 person Gamma wagon with a very flat reaction. Possibly measured response to scumpartner's wagon. His next post looks at the gamma wagon for opportunistic votes, says he's still catching up but points to Realeo and Desperado as being similar to Gamma, as if to offer them as alternatives. Dave speculates Gamma is the cw to scum!Desperado. HOWEVER, Dave in 374 has a similar reaction to the popup of AH's wagon, indicating to me he is unaware of either wagon's alignment, unless the team is Gamma/dave/AH
Dunnstral - No reaction to the gamma wagon, is still focusing on her own SR of davesaz. Reads as towny to me.
I'm thinking AH is not very likely to flip scum unless he's teamed with davesazandGamma. Desperado I think is unlikely to be traitor based on the way he got onto the Gamma wagon.
This leaves me with a scumteam speculation of [Gamma, davesaz, Alisae/AH]. Kop could be blind spot scum still. I think Gamma's flip will be most telling because it was both the cw Realeo/Desperado and had it's own cw in the AH wagon.
VOTE: Gamma
Kop do you have scumreads? Noticed a lot of you asking other people about their reads in your ISO and a lot of commenting on questions directed at other players but not much in the way of substance
Right at this point, a lynch on either AH or TB is only going to be beneficial right now because the limelight for the past 10 or so pages with a few random ones thrown in between has been on those 2. Either one is going to give information and isn't going to be one of those policy lynches that isn't going to lead to anywhere.
When it comes to day 2 however, I'd like pressure to be placed on Gamma because I am not seeing a style that I am accustomed to. And I just feel that he is happily going under the radar whilst the war goes on, and If we do lynch AH and he flips scum, then a great deal in me is going to want Gamma lynched. If AH flips town however, that isn't going to stop me wanting pressure on Gamma, I didn't say lynch but I'd like the pressure to get him to talk.You'll Never Walk Alone!-
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This is WIFOM'd to shit.In post 614, Desperado wrote:
There's not much point to discussing it in detail at this point but yes, I think AH would replace in as scum and post a BS case on a partner, especially when he's now claiming it wasn't legit to begin with. And I think ThinkBig and AH could see that they might become competing wagons as a result and ramped up the bussing.In post 595, Superhans wrote:
Hmm you think ThinkBig would be trying to push his scum partner into a lynch, just to gain town cred? Seems implausible to me.In post 592, Desperado wrote:Really don't like AH linking Alisae and ThinkBig like he is. AH-ThinkBig team gaining steam.You'll Never Walk Alone!-
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Desperado could be another good shout for a lynch, but I don't think we'd get the votes in the 12 hours remaining. I wouldn't like to chase down that avenue on account of getting the votes required, and everyone aggreeing.In post 609, grapes wrote:DAY 1 VC 009
(Gamma Emerald, Desperado, ssbm_Kyouko, ThinkBig, Alisae)Antihuman ( 5 ) -
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Seven to lynch.
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Prodding Kop and Gamma Emerald.
Let me know if the VC is incorrect for some reason.
No deadline extension.
Voting TB which is what I was hoping to go down, but again, are we going to get the 4 votes and 4 agreed votes in time? I don't want to end this day on a no lynch.You'll Never Walk Alone!-
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I don't feel his reaction was genuine and how he tried to divert someone else.In post 649, Superhans wrote:I mean to TB sleepyYou'll Never Walk Alone!-
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I don’t think that Algebra is much of a risk for scum for the night one kill personally. He only voted for Realeo early on and never really veered away from that point. Yes he may be the innocent child, but right now, Scum would rather take out potential threats that could work them out, leaving the innocent child till a later day when numbers dictate that.In post 732, Alisae wrote:
With a very obvious NK? I think it puts a lot of sus on Realeo. NKA + VCA.In post 730, Dunnstral wrote:
HmmIn post 728, Alisae wrote:Algebra is on point with his shit.
Also AH's push on TB is making me think that it's scum theatre.
If you think that (the first part) then don't you think scum could have easily killed Algebra? Him being IC and all, him dying wouldn't necessarily put suspicion on realeo. Whereas algebra may vote realeo again. What are your thoughts on that?
Nk’d me?In post 773, Superhans wrote:
Can you give us scum reads day 2?In post 638, Kop wrote:
My reads change all the time as the game progresses on. I don't do scum reads on day one usually, I see the information in posts, and generally push wagons, etc. I work better when there's been flips and I have information that can back my thoughts up.In post 612, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:AH what's your opinion on Gamma's vote on Desperado, and Desperado's sudden swap from voting Gamma to you?
Gamma voted Desperado, if Gamma is scum he wouldn't start the cw on his partner
Desperado swapped to Antihuman, might make sesnseifGamma is scum, AH is town, and Desp is traitor.
AH wagon would also be cw to scum in this case.
Question is: Does Gamma have any plausible scumbuddies besides AH? Desperado is out unless he's traitor, so we'd need 1 more (or 2 if he's not the traitor).
Let's assume scum aren't going to hard bus their teammate in the middle of D1, so we look for a partner that wasn't on the Gamma wagon at it's apex
Kyouko - conftown to myselfIn post 326, grapes wrote:DAY 1 VC 005
(Superhans, ThinkBig, Realeo, Desperado, Kop)Gamma Emerald ( 5 ) -
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(ReubenWasFine, Gamma Emerald)Desperado ( 2 ) -
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RWF/AH - We're assuming this slot is the town cw to scum for this exercise
SAJ/Alisae - was not on the Gamma wagon but when he comes in he discredits AH case and soon after Gamma joins him in picking apart AH case to start a new wagon on AH. Replaces out. Alisae Says he doesn't like TB but soon after catching up a bit more says he doesn't like AH's push and votes AH. AH could be the counter to Gamma if Alisae and Gamma are buds
davesaz - Comes in to catch up to a 5 person Gamma wagon with a very flat reaction. Possibly measured response to scumpartner's wagon. His next post looks at the gamma wagon for opportunistic votes, says he's still catching up but points to Realeo and Desperado as being similar to Gamma, as if to offer them as alternatives. Dave speculates Gamma is the cw to scum!Desperado. HOWEVER, Dave in 374 has a similar reaction to the popup of AH's wagon, indicating to me he is unaware of either wagon's alignment, unless the team is Gamma/dave/AH
Dunnstral - No reaction to the gamma wagon, is still focusing on her own SR of davesaz. Reads as towny to me.
I'm thinking AH is not very likely to flip scum unless he's teamed with davesazandGamma. Desperado I think is unlikely to be traitor based on the way he got onto the Gamma wagon.
This leaves me with a scumteam speculation of [Gamma, davesaz, Alisae/AH]. Kop could be blind spot scum still. I think Gamma's flip will be most telling because it was both the cw Realeo/Desperado and had it's own cw in the AH wagon.
VOTE: Gamma
Kop do you have scumreads? Noticed a lot of you asking other people about their reads in your ISO and a lot of commenting on questions directed at other players but not much in the way of substance
Right at this point, a lynch on either AH or TB is only going to be beneficial right now because the limelight for the past 10 or so pages with a few random ones thrown in between has been on those 2. Either one is going to give information and isn't going to be one of those policy lynches that isn't going to lead to anywhere.
When it comes to day 2 however, I'd like pressure to be placed on Gamma because I am not seeing a style that I am accustomed to. And I just feel that he is happily going under the radar whilst the war goes on, and If we do lynch AH and he flips scum, then a great deal in me is going to want Gamma lynched. If AH flips town however, that isn't going to stop me wanting pressure on Gamma, I didn't say lynch but I'd like the pressure to get him to talk.
Also y do u think scum nk'd you?
Right now, my scum reads are Gamma, because of the nature of the nightkill, and I don’t like how AH came into derail the wagon that was on him (Gamma) and the defence that Gamma made towards TB against AH could spell buddying.
How is that a scum claim? Please explain.In post 775, Alisae wrote:
This is explaining why an Alegbra NK would lead to you. Not my actual case on you.In post 761, Realeo wrote:
That only explains that IIn post 752, Alisae wrote:were to be a Statue of Limitations, people would have forgotten that Algebra voted Realeo super early.
Algebra was the main person that was putting pressure on Realeo.
So NKA would make the NK directed to him really obvioucanbe mafia. That does NOT explain that Iammafia.In post 762, Realeo wrote:Can anyone give me a psychological lecture about Mafia Traitor at me? Is it more normal for Mafia Traitor to be more diplomatic against town or mafia partner?
Shit attempt to jump on somone for a NK.In post 763, Realeo wrote:So this catch my attention....
So AntiHuman plays the AtE card at L-1. The wagon at the L-1 was.In post 634, Antihuman wrote:No need for useless speculation, I will flip town and TB will flip scum. Feel free to hammer.
I find it strange. AntiHuman has made a play (in my opinion) an excellent analysis (he fooled me) and push with confidence.(Gamma Emerald, Desperado, ssbm_Kyouko, ThinkBig, Alisae, SuperHans)[/color]Antihuman ( 6 ) -
Why the sudden mood change from confindence to surrenderness?
I think he surrender because his scum partner is voting against him. As a mafia traitor, judging by psychological analysis, being a mafia traitor is a lonely role. Being foresaken by his partner is a lonely game.
So there are 6 people. To a certain degree.. TB is town. ssbm flipped town.There is a minimum of 1 scum in (Gamma Emerald, Desperado, Alisae, SuperHans)
This is a scumclaim.In post 765, Kop wrote:VOTE: Gamma
AH flipping traitor has put the onus back into Gamma for me. He's derailed that wagon to divert pressure
Most likely cause we were the ones posting at the time.In post 767, Superhans wrote:
Y only Dunn and Alisae?In post 737, Realeo wrote:Dunn, Alisae, would you help me analyze conversation between Kyouko and AntiHuman? That may be the only explanation of the nk?
2. Is a slip.In post 768, ThinkBig wrote:
I think you are still alive for two reasons:In post 758, algebra wrote:I'm still alive, it's a miracle.
1. You weren't very active last day phase;
2. ssbm was too close to the truth.
I think TB could be scum. Does that count for something.In post 769, Gamma Emerald wrote:
If AH didn't have such a hard-on for you I'd think you're scum for this comment.In post 766, ThinkBig wrote:Interesting night kill.
This is damming. Why would ssbm be targeted by the mafia over the innocent child?In post 714, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:but yeah im onto something i think so, completely unacceptable imo. If Kop/AH are both town I thinkif im not here to remind yall about kop in the morning please revisit his last few posts of the dayGamma/Dave/Alisae
HOS on Kop and Gamma. I really don't like how AH derailed gamma's wagon. I'm willing to vote for either kop or gamma.
VOTE: Kop
How is FoS at desperado for claiming that a likely scenario that myself and you are being set up for that kill?In post 785, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Kop only?In post 783, Desperado wrote:
Ya, Think is scum framing Kop with the SSBM kill.In post 766, ThinkBig wrote:Interesting night kill.
This is damming. Why would ssbm be targeted by the mafia over the innocent child?In post 714, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:but yeah im onto something i think so, completely unacceptable imo. If Kop/AH are both town I thinkif im not here to remind yall about kop in the morning please revisit his last few posts of the dayGamma/Dave/Alisae
HOS on Kop and Gamma. I really don't like how AH derailed gamma's wagon. I'm willing to vote for either kop or gamma.
FoS Desperado
Right at the minute, reads are changing because there is far too much WIFOM that it's hard to believe the likely scenarios are in play, and this is what scum were aiming for.
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This is twice I've seen you ask this question, what are you aiming to achieve?In post 873, Superhans wrote:@Dunnstral
Why are you so sure TB is Town? I think the logic behind his wagon is convincing.
@Gamma
872 is redundant. Just under half the playerbase is on you. If you could kill one of the following players who would it be? + Why?
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I see a lot of questions that are the same, I was just wondering what you were aiming to achieve.In post 877, Superhans wrote:It's a way to ask for reads. Y do you ask?You'll Never Walk Alone!-
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That last comment is actually a good point, if I was to put myself in that mindset, it would tell me that TB saw that the pressure was going too far on AH and felt that he needed to try and stall it by any means, so that he went after Dunnstral in hope that attention would divert off AH. And to add to the fact that when the onus was put back onto TB, TB claimed that whilst he was voting for Dunnstral, he was still ready to push AH if time required, so he was still ready to switch in case he couldn't do enough to get focus placed elsewhere and he wouldn't look as bad for trying to deflect.In post 1138, Superhans wrote:[quote="In post 1100
ThinkBig and AntiHuman were engaged in a fight to the death. AntiHuman was fighting from the jaws of death under intense pressure. He was pushing ThinkBig very very hard. I doubted that two scum would want to fight so hard, even by bussing standards, since AntiHuman was actually producing some fairly valid scum claims on ThinkBig (undermining his logic).In post 608, Superhans wrote:I know one thing for sure, that is ThinkBig and Antihuman AREN'T scum together.
However,
Looking back on it, you can see that their relationship was more nuanced:
If it was a S v T fight to the death then why did ThinkBig back off halfway through the fight to go after Dunnstral?You'll Never Walk Alone!-
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I think I may have misread the whole Mafia PM's.In post 1148, Dunnstral wrote:Uh, Antihero was traitor? not a good?
Surely if the two of you are suggesting that thinkbig moved off of antihero because he knew he was the traitor, you can point to where thinkbig would have known that antihero was a traitor? Some kind of tell, or soft, or the way Ah acted?
Coming out hard on a maf buddy doesn't scream "traitor" to me.
So on that said, thinkbig may be town after all. After rereading the PM's set out in first page, I don't forsee a traitor coming out that hard, now that I know the traitor only knows who the the mafia are, but mafia don't know who the traitor is.You'll Never Walk Alone!-
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I totally forgot that I had already researched this point and got side drawn from it.In post 1256, Regfan wrote:I find that hard to believe Kop given you've played this exact setup before and made the following comment in this post:
But scum don't know who the traitor is though? There is the chance that they could end up night killing him, which is a risk because it doesn't help them that way though.
I know I was a mafia traitor on another site, but ended up getting night killed by my own team mates day one, they didn't know I was the traitor.
Yes whilst I agree I have played as a traitor before, however it wasn't in this exact setup. This setup is slightly different to the one I participated on another site.You'll Never Walk Alone!-
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http://www.footballforums.net/threads/m ... es.253556/
That's the game I'm talking about. That's the only time I've played where a traitor has been in play.
I've ran setups a few times with a traitor inserted, but it was done differently to what it was here.You'll Never Walk Alone!-
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I didn't take any notice to any of the crumbs that were mentioned. I've never seen a traitor crumb to his fellow partners, and don't honestly believe traitors would without bringing attention onto themselves. So if there was any or anyone who believed were crumbs, I just didn't believe that it would be genuine crumbs purely because of that reason, people picking up on them.In post 1261, Regfan wrote:Yes but in the game you linked traitor knew mafia and mafia didn't know traitor, that's generally the norm for the role which was also the case last time you played this setup. I find it really hard to believe that anyone that read this thread would think that mafia could know the traitor given lots of cases and arguments are based entirely around AH's partners not knowing him and him trying to signal them. Like when you read posts like Alisea stating that she thought MariaR was crumbing traitor or read posts like Dave suggesting that Desperados predecessor had claimed traitor or read posts with people tying TB & AH together stating that they think AH was signalling TB through the push what were you thinking?
Like there's nothing I can find based on your history with traitors, your history with this setup or your prior posts in this thread that make your stance on you thinking mafia knowing traitor makes any sense to me.
In the game that I played as traitor or the games that I ran where I included the traitor role, not one crumb was left. In this game here alone, any crumb that is left that I think coul d be the traitor I ignored because I just don't buy it as a crumb to his partners that he is the traitor.You'll Never Walk Alone!-
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The scenario I am under I did see people talking about possible crumbs but I never take any notice of these simply because some crumbs can be a total fabrication so never even attempted to go and look for what was in discussion. I was under the illusion that scum knew who the traitor was so the crumbs that were in discussion were pointless to me, to waste time over looking it all. Now that I obviously understand the whole scenario regarding the traitor, if I did at the time, I would have been looking at the crumb discussions and seeing if I had noticed this too. Like I said I have played with the traitor role before, but I'll reiterate the point again since It's been said that it was this setup, it wasn't. It was ran on a different site and also is slightly different to how mafia games are ran over here, there is modifiers that make it a bit different.In post 1273, Regfan wrote:@Kop - RE: Post 1262 I'm not asking if you were looking for traitor crumbs yourself. I'm asking how you didnt notice that majority of peoples conversations were about people looking for them. When reading the thread you didn't think this was weird given your stance on mafia knowing them at the time? Like given your last few posts either you''re town that genuinely didn't know how the mafia team worked or you're scum that's trying to throw out a dumb tell to get town read and excuse your TB scum read post. Explain how the first of the two scenarios is the one that's the case here and that I should be unvoting you and looking elsewhere.
It isn't a dumbtell that I used to gain town credit, it's genuinely me having a mare of a game and not actually reading it and proof reading it.
I just noticed that I am on L-1. I am a Town Roleblocker.In post 1275, Regfan wrote:Ignore the three roles listed at the top of the post, that's just part of my notes when analysisng this.
I want to go through Dunns ISO & get a claim from Kop before we considering moving on.
I cannot back this claim up because the person I roleblocked is dead, I roleblocked ssbm_Kyouko. I had noticed a few slight things that were worrying me at the time how he town read AH and didn't want to get onto the wagon, and with him flipping scum, same problem as before being under the illusion that scum knew the traitor was, I thought he was scum because of that.
I have been playing mafia for quite some time, a few year at least with more than a handful games on different sites. I am immensely prone to having at least a few very bad games where I make myself look like a complete newbie. Unfortunately this is one of them.In post 1283, ThinkBig wrote:Re: Dumbtell. I will have to evaluate that when I get back to my laptop. It does make more sense from town POV, though Kop is an experienced player (far more than I am) and it doesn't seem like the kind of slip coming from an experienced player.
I haven't played in this setup before, I have just played with a traitor.In post 1285, Regfan wrote:@ThingBig - Why do you think Desperados push on you is him being mafia rather than him just being incorrect as town? Willing to wait for you to get to a computer to go through his/Aliseas ISOs to answer.
If scum really didn't add any modifiers then him claiming goon cop has a roughly ~1/4 chance of being CC'ed, that's not particularly high enough that would stop him fake claiming thinking he may be lynched otherwise. Like I said the way the claim happened and how he softed it does make much more sense as town but he's certainly not lock clear from it.
I'm conflicted on what to make of the dumbtell, I don't see how town that genuinely is reading through the thread can have that belief (That mafia knew traitor via role PM) unless they're not actually reading the thread properly and ignoring lots of conversations. I also don't see how Kop can have held that belief given some of his own posts inside this thread, the fact he's played the seutp before and the fact he's played as traitor where mafia didn't know who he was too. That said I don't know if attempting to fake a dumbtell like that is what mafia would think to do, it has scum motivation yes but is it the play they realise? Not sure.You'll Never Walk Alone!-
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I forgot all about that game, I have played a lot more on top of that since then, I don't remember every single setup I play.In post 1316, ThinkBig wrote:
You actually have played this setup before.In post 1311, Kop wrote:I haven't played in this setup before, I have just played with a traitor.You'll Never Walk Alone!-
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At the time on day one, I suspected Gamma, but then when I seen kyouko positioning himself with regards to the AH wagon and totally misunderstanding the whole traitor, I felt that with AH flipping traitor, kyouko knew that he was the traitor. But being stupid, honestly, if I wasn't thick and actually understood the traitor role, I wouldn't have roleblocked kyouko at the time because it would have given me a different view to what he was taking. It would have boiled down to him actually seeing something AH not being scum, rather than knowing he was scum and just wanting to distance himself.
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