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I'll do some more digging. I'm fairly new so my observation is this is the third game I've started playing with Alisae where he starts off with a fast play for either reactions or attention draw. Only one of then is finished for Alisae none of them are complete.
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Mostly Gut for you. You're aciting in a similar fashion as to how you have before in games.In post 107, Alisae wrote:Hawk why?
Fancypants I liked his post 20 and post 89. Reading that as not pro-town says he possibly wasn't super aware of the player list or at least didn't want to draw attention to that reaction test obviously like Uzi did. Not sure if this means he's town or not but at least he's not reacting too quickly.
89 I like cause taking a stab at early reads when RVS is kinda naturally winding down is good for generating discussion even with soft reads. This is town to me.
Boring in general seems just town to me. Most of his posts have meaning or general purpose to them and aren't relatively fluff so there's that.
As to Alisae's Meta I'm not sure I can share any of it since he as far as I could find (I didn't dig super super hard] only one completed game from start to finish. He has a couple he subbed in for but only one completed where he was apart of RVS.
I can tell people if you want to interpret something from his recent ongoing games he plays RVS pretty much like he is. Reaction tests. Early votes. Responding with similar questioning like this one. Take it for what it's worth since we can't check his alignment for any of that playstyle.
Empking I don't really have a read on.
I don't disagree with UZI but I do not see the harm in letting that reaction test play out a little longer. I'd hope most masons aren't so gung-ho to hang mafia that they would go screaming he's not a Mason!
Fritz seems to genuinely trying to ScumHunt so I do like that.
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Still reading and making some evaluations but I'll chime in on the Alisae V Grey throwdown 2017.
UNVOTE: Grey
Not voting Alisae just yet as I don't particularly feel he is scummyour. I do agree that his argument for Grey being scum is weak. Meta and aggression are NAI. Each game is different. Now if you felt so inclined as to say you're reading Grey this game as scum because his posts feel forced or he's playing overly cautious and you scumread that then fine. But Grey still has good defense against that. We have Masons. Being too aggressive and drawing the attention of Masons as town can lead to easy misLynches if the Mafia are coordinated. IMO.-
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That's not what I meant Grey. I meant playing aggressively as a VT if you get the eye of the masons on you you might quickly find yourself under pressure from both parties. If masons vote you coordinated mafia might mislynch you and have a good idea depending on how discussion went towards shooting into the Mason camp.In post 268, -Grey- wrote:
It's not even that. Mafia coordinating to Lynch Masons will simply out themselves.In post 264, Hawk wrote:Being too aggressive and drawing the attention of Masons as town can lead to easy misLynches if the Mafia are coordinated.
The danger in exposing the Masons is that it allows the Mafia to target them for the NK.
As long as they have to shoot in the dark, it gives town better odds to have conftown later in the game.
This is dangerous.
Ex.
Player A is VT. He draws attention to himself and gets scumread in correctly. Masons vote together (assuming they do. I haven't played with Masons in a while but I was taught as a rule of thumb it's a good idea to vote together since you're confirmed townies) And now you have three Mason votes possibly as we move forward into the day.
If masons vote together and vote towards a mislynch then that's 3 town votes on a possible bad wagon meaning that it's very easy for coordinated scum to get a mislynch on VT and then get a night phase.
Tell me if I'm wrong in understanding the mechanics and optimal lines in this setup.
Still I get where you're coming from and I agree I just don't think Alisae is scum as of yet.-
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Just meh?
I don't think UZI is bending over backwards but I'm noting you said that.
VOTE: Snowman
I don't think Alisae is that hard to read nor do I think that the ISO takes that long to skim. Either unconcerned town or coasting scum either way not the best.-
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Don't worry I'm sure it's not because your posts are boringIn post 282, boring wrote:@mod, you forgot about me entirely on the VC-
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Does Shmorange rhyme with Shmorange?In post 280, -Grey- wrote:
What color is your t-shirt?In post 279, Hawk wrote:
Just meh?
I don't think UZI is bending over backwards but I'm noting you said that.
VOTE: Snowman
I don't think Alisae is that hard to read nor do I think that the ISO takes that long to skim. Either unconcerned town or coasting scum either way not the best.
If it's anything besides the word that rhymes with shmorange, it's a scum claim.
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Don't you scum lean him for that then?In post 290, Alisae wrote:
I wanna sheep this shit as well. I also don't particularly townread them for fosing people who aren't voting when we're less then 10 pages in. Seems like kinda a shit reason to fos a group of people to me.In post 289, boring wrote:
Sure, Empking hasn't done anything to leave the bottom half of my nebulous read cloud yet.In post 286, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Join me on King.
VOTE: Empking
Why are we voting him in particular? I saw you mention the jump on Alisae and shade-throwing. It's kind of meh. I suppose those are things that happened, but surely, other people have been scummy too. Who's your second highest read?
VOTE: Empking
Honestly I still don't have the best reads but I wouldn't mind hearing more from Emp.
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Sheeping a vote to get more content from Snowman. I don't nesscarily scumlean him just wanted more content from him since he has posted literally two posts all game. 3 if you count the double post...In post 312, -Grey- wrote:
Do explain this vote, please.In post 279, Hawk wrote:
Just meh?
I don't think UZI is bending over backwards but I'm noting you said that.
VOTE: Snowman
I don't think Alisae is that hard to read nor do I think that the ISO takes that long to skim. Either unconcerned town or coasting scum either way not the best.
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sure sure I'm at work right now will reread and find a better place to put my vote on lunch. Seems fine. Game just slowed down really fast.In post 317, -Grey- wrote:
So, you've decided to just throw your vote away for some reason. Got it.In post 315, Hawk wrote:Sheeping a vote to get more content from Snowman. I don't nesscarily scumlean him just wanted more content from him since he has posted literally two posts all game. 3 if you count the double post...
If he ain't reading the thread, he ain't feeling any pressure.
Leave lurksacks alone and do something useful with your vote.-
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Sorry guys I will respond and get a full reads list after this.In post 479, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
Hi Hawk, I see you posted on page 11 but did not respond to my questions for you.In post 188, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
Man, I cant disagree with this part of the post any more than I do. Scum wouldn't want to draw attention to a reaction test (in the hopes that a Mason outs themselves) and they also wouldn't want to react too quickly (scum usually let town react first to try and gauge the flow of the thread). Your town read on FP makes no sense to me at all.In post 139, Hawk wrote: Fancypants I liked his post 20 and post 89. Reading that as not pro-town says he possibly wasn't super aware of the player list or at least didn't want to draw attention to that reaction test obviously like Uzi did. Not sure if this means he's town or not but at least he's not reacting too quickly.
He took a stab at early reads....after scum reading someone for stating an early town read. You don't have a problem with that?In post 139, Hawk wrote:89 I like cause taking a stab at early reads when RVS is kinda naturally winding down is good for generating discussion even with soft reads. This is town to me.
Second time I have seen this - where is fitz 'genuinely' scum hunting?In post 139, Hawk wrote:Fritz seems to genuinely trying to ScumHunt so I do like that.
So I have reposted them to give you a second chance.
Question 1: FP seemed town to me I haven’t had a chance to play catch up so this isn’t necessarily how I feel now. Your argument here by the way is WIFOM. Saying Scum wouldn’t want to draw attention to a reaction test is as easy to say as Scum would want to draw attention to reaction test. One type of scum is LAMIST the other is opportunistic.
Question 2: Nope not really, it’s still well within RVS when this post was made. Gut reading a strong early town read as a scumslip is fine nothing out of the ordinary depending on playstyle. At this point I don’t think anything has been said well enough for him to have anything but gut impressions or soft reads, but the action and motivation behind making an early list, sticking his neck out there and then if we had pressured him had him defend those early reads is town to me.
Question 3: Fitz post immediate before the one you quoted his 138 influenced that comment the most. I think the vote plus the questions leading up to it in posts 16, 23, and 33 all led fairly nicely towards trying to find motivation from Alisae and then pressure him when he didn’t like his response. In hindsight it was probably a bit of a stretchy statement to call it scum hunting but I said it so it was how I was feeling at the time considering the information I had.
I vote here because at the time Snowman literally had 3 posts, only two if including the double post and I wanted more content from him. At the time this vote was just trying to draw someone who wasn’t posting to post.
Possibly, I wasn’t looking for a lynch from it I was just trying to get responses and reactions and people talking since at the time the game felt ridiculously stagnant. As well this particular vote EMP hadn’t posted much content. Just a small hint at Alisae and a shot about masons.In post 481, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:[
This vote is disgustingly opportunistic.In post 291, Hawk wrote: Honestly I still don't have the best reads but I wouldn't mind hearing more from Emp.
VOTE: EmpKing
Sorry if the formatting is weird to look at I wasn't sure where to make the breaks for that first part of the post so I just quoted and broke up my response.-
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Responding to all the ones that matter. Yep unvoting when you have no vote to place otherwise feels really lax to me and not something I try to do very often unless we're being close to a hammer or if I have a new vote I just am not sure where to place it.In post 497, havingfitz wrote:His ISO is short enough to do a post by post:
ISO 3- Mentions his vote is RVS but he ses no reason to unvote. [I can think of a reason...Grey is at L-3 for no stated reason] Town reading Ali, FP and boring..
Didn't have a strong read on EMP, still didn't when I voted 100 posts later for pressure. Wishy Washy??In post 497, havingfitz wrote: ISO 4- Says he is townreading Ali for gut and prior experience. Which = 3 games of which only one is done for Ali. Gives meh rationales for town reading the three above. More defense of Ali. Offers a no read on Emp (who he votes ~100 posts later). Wishy washy comments on LUV. Likes my scumhunting..
I say yet because exactly the feeling I was having about the Mason talk. Hindsight should have followed my gut and voted Alisae after instead of doing what I do here.... this post is awfully uncharacteristic of me to be honest. However Meta and Aggression are NAI. Not everyone else believes that though, so when people were immediately drawing attention to Alisae I made the comment I did because it seems to me like that's how he starts and whether its Alignment indicative or not you should know that its a thing. When I say I will dig deeper its because I honestly feel like maybe if it helps other people draw conclusions about a player its helpful to find that information. Not that I can read it one way or the other just that's how Alisae plays. Being able to be Aggressive or Passive as regardless of Alignment is what most players should try and do this is why I think that most of that is NAI, because good players don't let their habits create tells.In post 497, havingfitz wrote: ISO 5- Unvotes Grey. Not voting Ali yet because doesn't feel he is scummy. [So why say yet?]. Says meta and aggression are NAI...[so why go on and on about how Ali always starts games this way? i.e. meta] Makes comments that seem to be shading mason talk for which Ali is mostly responsible for..
No, just because I agreed with his theory doesn't mean we're friends or that I was townleaning him. You're drawing a lot of conclusions from theory posts.In post 497, havingfitz wrote: ISO 6- Explains prior mason comment about mislynches being easier if masons agree. meh. Get's where Grey is coming from. So friends now?.
Honestly this is probably an error on my part. I wasn't treating the game as a Mason game and probably was unaware of the idea that a coordinated lynch from L-3 could be a Mason Lynch. Because typically it doesn't hurt to put people there if it would be all three mafia coordinated to lynch a ML. My bad for being careless.In post 497, havingfitz wrote: ISO 10- Doesn't have the best reads....wants to hear more from Emp so follows Ali and boring onto Emp wagon. Puts Emp at L-3. [So doesn't seem to have any problem putting people at L-3 for little of no solid reasoning. With two groups of three {masons and mafia} that he is concerned could make mislynches easier putting people at L-3 for not much to go on seems careless]..
Honestly I'm going through a lot of personal stuff right now so chances are this post I had honestly forgotten I was voting EMP and thought I was still on Snowman.In post 497, havingfitz wrote: ISO 12- Begs off pressure from Grey (wrt the snowman vote) and says he will find a better place for his vote {though he is not on Snowman anymore...he is voting Emp].
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I'm literally at work trying to form a reads list and responded to all your call outs for early game shit. Lynch me if you want but when I flip green you'll be no closer to winning if you really are town. Which I don't think you are.In post 519, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I like to push hard when I think I'm right.
The fact that Hawk mostly just responded talking about theory makes me feel even more confident that Hawk is scum.-
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Honestly let me finish reading all the ISO's but from skimming his yeah I scum lean him. Don't like his questioning feels really busy. Naked votes with little content or reasoning around them. I'm still at work sorry if these posts are a bit lacking.In post 521, boring wrote:Hawk, are you pretty sure BBT is scum? Are you planning to vote him?-
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Not that I posted. To be honest I don't recall BBT being very involved in the game the last time I really was caught up and got to post. something that wasn't an I promise I'll catch up shortly. I mean the last serious post I made before today I had forgotten who my vote was on. Sorry my IRL things have made me have to take a very backseat approach to my games and I haven't had a chance to dig into this game yet and post a catchup since I'm behind.-
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Why do you have a town read on BBT?In post 527, Empking wrote:
I came really close to laughing out loud t this post. It is just so clearly unrelated to the truth.In post 522, Hawk wrote:
Honestly let me finish reading all the ISO's but from skimming his yeah I scum lean him. Don't like his questioning feels really busy. Naked votes with little content or reasoning around them. I'm still at work sorry if these posts are a bit lacking.In post 521, boring wrote:Hawk, are you pretty sure BBT is scum? Are you planning to vote him?
I've got a townread on BBT, and I might be willing to sheep him closer to the deadline thanks to my natural modesty and humbleness.
Also let me explain my skim.
Posts with Empty questions from BBT's ISO
186, 188, 478
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How does that make him scum?In post 61, havingfitz wrote: LUV reading the Hawk and Grey game last night where Grey was "slick scum" seems awfully coincidental.
What does 'genuine' scum hunting look like? And how would you differentiate that from 'fake' scum hunting?In post 74, Empking wrote: He looks like he's genuinely scumhunting.
Like what do you hope to draw from these questions?In post 188, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
Which posts? Quote them and explain how they show scum hunting. Emp, would you agree that you have been scum hunting thus far this game?In post 135, FancyPants wrote:Despite Empking's lack of posts I do feel what he has done actually seems aimed at scum hunting.
The first one is an opinion. He doesn't say awfully coincidental is Alignment Indicative you just infer it as a scumlean? Which it probably is but does it matter? What do you want him to say? LUV made a statement regarding Grey's scum game being very slick. Whether he gathered that from previous experience, reading our last game, or whatever it's a generalized statement and in no way alignment indicative and even if Fitz feels like it is what do you want him to say here that affects your read on LUV, Grey, Me or Fitz?
The second question is semantics. People read behavior and post motivation differently. Some people like some questions some don't like others. Asking what they think is genuine scum hunting and what they think is fake scum hunting is just clutter and fluff. Look at the person they're reading and form your own opinions if they don't line up THEN ask why they think a specific post is scum hunting or genuine not just a general statement.
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Didn't mean to post that yet Will continue my thoughts here.
The last question is a little better but still kinda similar to the previous other people explaining their own reasoning. Also why would you call towards EMP explaining his own behavior as scum hunting or not? Like this post makes me feel like you and EMP are partnered whether thats Masons or Scum idk. Either way its kinda bleh in terms of content.
Now lets look at bad votes and bad logic.
Vote for Grey in 190
This isn't following your line of thought at all. Shouldn't you be voting Fancy here? Why Grey? Why is this a serious wagon?
Vote for Alisae in 209
No reasoning, just a naked vote. Some things could be inferred from context of posts surrounding the vote but it doesn't really give us any real motivations or logic behind the vote.
Vote for Fitz in 216
Uhhh its been less than 7 posts why are you flipping so much with no reasoning or even backup logic. Like we weren't even talking about Fitz here. In fact Grey was on an Alisae lynch just a minute before which you had been sheeping! WTF?
WHAT? This is him literally sheeping your vote on Grey less than 15 posts prior. Why is this vote awful? Why wouldn't your vote be considered awful then? Cause this might be considered opportunistic? Naaaahhhh
Nah, there has to be something that makes you question it - otherwise you would just let it slide. I also said I 'assumed' and IMO it was a fair assumption to make.[/quote]In post 214, havingfitz wrote:My point being...if someone does something you find questionable...that doesn't automatically mean you are scum reading them. Especially after further clarification by that person. And saying I am scum reading someone I did not say that about is a bit misleading btw.
Really then why did you vote Grey and not FP when FP was the one you were having major problems with his early game with?
I mean I'm not the only one seeing this right?
I don't care if yall Lynch me. I've played very poorly as town this game so if thats what it is it's my fault. But don't ignore this shit when I'm getting called out for coasting and so many others could just as easily be called out for it.-
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Okay can I say something real quick? When I approach a typical game with a 3 scum team putting people to L-3 early for me isn't too big of a deal. Typically because 1 if its a ML there's already a Maf on it. 2. if there isn't Maf on it, it takes 3 coordinated votes to ML and that's usually never good for mafia as it quickly can put big targets on their backs. and 3. In most games I'm not considering a Mason camp so I wasn't really thinking about that and to top that all off I typically unvote if I don't have a reason to stay at L-2In post 568, havingfitz wrote:I was about to unvote you Hawk because of your reaction to the pressure you got yesterday but on closer look....I still find you suspect and your response to my ISO was weak. And too much "honestly" and "sorry" for my liking btw. I also still suspect Ali. And I'm growing suspect of boring lately as well. I was going to say I wasn't a big fan of Empking and Snarky either because of the lack of effort they seem to be putting into this game and then I realized the same thing applied to most of the players in the game. FP...CMM...Moz....LUV. Fcuk. Actually LUV has posted a good bit. Not sure why it feels like he hasn't.
In response to your 517...
- Being on a wagon for no good reason that get's to L-3 is right on the borderline IMO of being dangerous. The fact that you comment on there being no reason to unvote is what pinged me when clearly there was at least 1, ex. you having no reason to vote him and him being at L-3.
See above. You may not agree with my playstyle but its how I play.In post 568, havingfitz wrote:
- So you didn't have a strong read on Emp...yet you were ok following Ali and boring onto his wagon bringing yet again...a player to L-3 for reasons unknown to me.
I'm not defending Ali based on meta... I say that its his MO, because for me the few games I've played with Ali, this is how he plays. I'm trying to post reasoning as to why we shouldn't dig to deeply into his meta, I even say later that I'm not voting Ali yet because I haven't found him scummy. I don't say that just because I'm town leaning him. I say that because Meta is NAI and I could easily scumlean him if he does something that makes me feel that way. Also if you feel like this is BS go read my post 139 I say mostly gut for you you're acting similar to how you have before in games. But I also state that I've only had three games with him. So him acting similar even if I thought meta was AI doesn't give me anything considering I say I know his alignment for only one of those games. I even say to take all that for what it's worth. I don't think Meta is NAI cause it can be changed. However, I can see where my earlier comments might have been read the way you're reading it now.In post 568, havingfitz wrote:
- I'm still having issues with your Ali defense based on meta and the fact you say meta is NAI. How can you defend Ali based on his meta (very limited meta at that) when you do not think meta is NAI? You can't.
Okay so one of which was the Me and Grey because I assumed that question was rhetorical. Two all of your implications of me being scummy because of my playstyle and theory behind why I would not unvote at L-3 or be fine putting people to L-3 in a mason game are drawing conclusions since this summary post is why am I scum. If they weren't conclusions you might say something like he's pretty risky and his logic doesn't make 100% sense to me but there's not a lot of reasoning so I'm okay with voting him instead of "Conclusion....yeah...not liking Hawk on closer review."In post 568, havingfitz wrote: - I'm "drawing a lot of conclusions from theory posts?" A lot? One isn't a lot...so show me two conclusions I've made from theory posts. And if one of them is you and Grey being friends...scratch that becuase that wasn't a conclusion. A conclusion would be me saying...Oh look...Grey and Hawk are friends now. I don't say that. I ask if you were to which you were perfectly capable of, and did, reply no. So show me a lot (2) conlusions please.
Like you see how I can say you're drawing conclusions about theory right? Maybe I misworded before when I said theory posts since for me BBT is right I haven't given enough content and a lot of reasoning was weak and mostly just theory things. I even played terribly risky when I didn't need to because I wasn't thinking about two camps possibly being able to coordinate hammer from L-3. Not that either group would ever do that because to be honest its not smart play for either team....
Why doesn't it fly?? I address the Mason idea because we're talking Mason theory with Ali on why his reaction test is bad/good and why its risky for Grey to play hyper aggressive an get scum leaned by Masons. I didn't really put together that with the VC that putting people at L-3 is more risky than usual (because I don't feel its risky normally at all in a non-mason game. L-2 is where it's risky for me.)In post 568, havingfitz wrote:
- "This is probably an error on my part" How can you say you weren't treating the game as a mason game when you had discussed theory about masons potentially facillitating mislynches if they all agree (with mafia) on a mislynch wagon? "probably wasn't unaware of the idea" doesn't fly when you talk about it, more than once, a few ISO posts earlier..
Haven't unvoted. EMP is on my scumlean, I'll explain in my reads post.In post 568, havingfitz wrote: So my vote stays.
So Hawk...why are you still voting Empking? Do you suspect him?.
In post 568, havingfitz wrote: Can you name 2 or 3 players you actually suspect?
None of these are super strong but Moz, BBT, EMP maybe CMM or FP.... I don't think Moz and BBT are paired so its only one or the other and I don't know if EMP were to flip who his partners would be so these are softish.In post 568, havingfitz wrote: Can you name 2 or 3 players you actually think are town?
I like AH, Boring, UZI, and You for all differing reasons. None of you are in my forever town pile but I have good feelings all around here. Some things irk me but chalking that up to inexperience with you guys.
Here's my readlist. I'll give some reasoning's in the next post.In post 568, havingfitz wrote: Here's where I stand at the moment.
Suspects: Hawk, Ali, boring
Suspect a little less: Snarky, Emp, FP, Moz, CMM, LUV & Anti
Suspect least atm: Grey, BBT
Townleans:
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Boring
UZI
Alisae
Null:
FP
Fitz
Snarky
CMM
Grey
Scumleans:
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Like 155,
Reads with reasoning, logic seems sound I don't disagree with any of his post here. I do wonder motivation behind wanting to push Mozamis so strongly but I'll say its gut and an early pressure play.
Like 176,
The reasoning is pretty poor but its not exactly unreasonable to vote the way he does. Respect for at least saying this. Give me better insight into his game
Like 178,
Good reasoning, pinches off WIFOM argument before it gets started. Maybe Buddying SS but I don't think so.
Love 375
Solid logic, Defends his Mozami's read earlier. Feeling it more now. I'm indifferent about CMM. Strongly feel like Scum wouldn't post content in this way that gives me such a good insight to his thought process as to why he doesn't like EMP's wagon, my posts, Alisae's possible playstyle and lots of other things. Doesn't go deep into reasonings but he at least points out his thoughts keeps them short and sweet and too the point so its easier to follow.
Everything after this in his ISO just further cements his stance on the game, He didn't like Moz because of similar reasons BBT and others don't like me and why I don't like Moz. Its really unfortunate that theres a slim chance that me and BBT might be TvT and scum just get to sit back because I wasn't active enough here.
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Solid reasoning and logic, admits he doesn't have perfect information, nothing really scummy here.
Like general idea of not asking questions so much as directing thoughts towards people and explaining reasonably to questions asked of him.
Ex. 117 to CMM, 164 to LUV, 194 to BBT and AH
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Sheep vote is fine, requests reasoning I find this vote is fine I do the same thing not a few posts later and do this a lot in general.
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Nice call out on Grey, not sure what Grey saw but like he says in 333 Grey can call it out if need be.
I'm at work so I will point out more reasoning's later but for the rest of Boring's list I understand where he's coming from. This game is pretty blah and its hard getting any real reads on anyone. This is why most of my reads are leans or null. I just can't commit people to one side or the other very well. Even my Moz, EMP, and BBT leans are soft but they seem the most particular for me.
BBT has been attacking possible low hanging fruit. Moz is like mass diverting every wagon with "why rush?" and not providing commentary of his own. and EMP has been just generally not active in a way that reads town to me. But none of this nails them as scum to me. I'm fine with a lynch today on any of them. I'll explain the rest of my reads after work or on my lunch.-
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This... I never understand what reads town about a 180 on someone. Like a true 180 not an early 180 or a 180 after PR claim. Like you're town reading me now that I've said I'd be okay to lynch Moz?? Why? You were 100% I was scum. Then a little later you were not so sure, and now that my wagon lost traction you 180 me and ask to lynch Moz??In post 588, Alisae wrote:The above is what caught scum looks like
Like I understand second guessing your read but you said 100% this needs to happen when you called for my lynch.
So to me there are three likely scenarios here
1. The most likely, BBT is scum and Moz is town so this is a flailing scum trying to deter us from lynching and force a mislynch.
2. Inbetween, BBT is scum and Moz is Scum and this bus if it went through would potentially clear BBT and then maf would NK me at some point or if BBT gets lynched distances Moz putting Moz in better light tomorrow.
3. Far less likely. Flailing town. Moz alignment doesn't matter because it doesn't relate to me or BBT as we're both Town here and scumlean Moz.
There are some other scenarios but those seem the most likely to happen were we to go and lynch BBT or Moz today.
I'm feeling BBT tho. If I'm wrong then I'm sorry BBT but I don't think you should have been so quick to 180 me after being so adamant before.
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No I was talking about BBT. I just quoted you because I agree that BBTs 180 reads as caught scum.In post 593, Alisae wrote:Hawky I never said anything about silly percentages.
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In post 498, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Hawk is doing just enough to coast by whilst we have 13 players around and where his absence is not as easily noticed.
His posts pretty much consist of nothing for the entire game to date.
Classic D1 scum behaviour - especially when you add in how chirpy he gets when talking about theory (scum always feel comfortable discussing theory over anything else).
Hawk is a great lynch for today. Let's do it!In post 503, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Antihuman, what you just said makes no sense.
Nobody is offering Hawk as a 'compromise lynch', we're lynching him because he is scum.In post 550, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Hawk's rebuttal was mostly theory talk and wishy-washy comments that didn't really go anywhere. If I feel the need to respond to it later today when I have more time, I'll do so.
I haven't dodged your question - you asked why he is being lynched for coasting. I'm saying that's not why he is being lynched. What more do you want me to say?In post 563, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Also, the Hawk wagon is the first (?) wagon to face real resistance. That also tells me we're on the right track.In post 567, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
What about the Hawk lynch was 'easy'? Where did you get that from?
I detect a tad bit of buddying from Anti to boring here with the comments relating to SS.
How would you feel about lynching Moz?In post 520, Hawk wrote: I'm literally at work trying to form a reads list and responded to all your call outs for early game shit. Lynch me if you want but when I flip green you'll be no closer to winning if you really are town. Which I don't think you are.In post 569, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
What do you like about Anti's posting?In post 529, Alisae wrote:I like Fitz and AH's words.
Why not?In post 532, Alisae wrote:
Gut and currently I can't.In post 496, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:What about their tone tells you they're town? Can you give specific examples of 'how they've been playing' that makes you think they're town as well please?
How did you rule out TvT or SvS in this situation? What specifically tells out it is TvS?In post 534, Alisae wrote:I'm convinced BBT v Hawk is TvS. Can't figure out who the scum is in this situation.
So I'ma just sheep this
VOTE: Hawk
[In post 539, -Grey- wrote: I'd rather Lynch mozamis, though. He's done nothing to change my read since I voted him./quote]
I'll lynch Moz if Hawk will.
You sure you're not? See how your train of thought goes from so confident to questioning to flipping to possibly flailing? Like your flip flop feels like flailing to me because the wagonext flipped on you after my response rather than anything else. Also I bolded where you said youd lynch Moz if I would... that type of statement is rather awkward when you're scumreading me so hard just prior...In post 592, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I'm not town reading you because of you're willing to lynch Moz.
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I'm sorry if I mess up your pronoun boring. I'm sure I've done it. I'll remember you're a she. My bad. Also Alisae is a he for anyone who remarks he is a she cause I think I've seen that too.In post 597, boring wrote:Also, I try not to be picky (because in the end of the day, it doesn't matter), but seeing myself described as "he" is a little confusing for me. I start reading sentences and have to backtrack, thinking someone has switched subjects without me realizing.-
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Alright I'll conceed that maybe flailing isn't the word I want here but the flip floppy nature makes me wary of your reasoning... It just feels pretty quick for you to switch off of me onto Mozamis. and boring makes a good point as Moz has been someone we've all been looking at prior.In post 599, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I now seem confident in my town read.
I still don't see how that's flailing.
The speed of my wagon and lack of resistance should be telling you something. But I'mma let you work that out for yourself.
Speed of the wagon doesn't bother me too much. We're 5 days from deadline and the games been kinda stagnant so a faster wagon on someone doesn't nesscarily bother me. My wagon built pretty quickly too.
Resistance to the wagon isn't there because people arent believing your town? Like I don't buy that you're town. Could I be wrong. Of course. Just like if I had been lynched you guys would be wrong about your Scum lean on me. My lynch met resistance because I resisted it. You seem less active in proving you're town when under pressure...-
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Ummmm this is only our third game together? Also it might help that quite a few of these bigger walls I was able to use my computer. I played all of my games via mobile up until eariler this week cause I finally got my comp back up and running so that might be it. Plus I got on my work computer earlier today.In post 604, Alisae wrote:It's not that...
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I've had scum get upset and sulk before. And for the most part Scum I know tend to die with their mouths shut lest they imply any of their partners. But I dont disagree that this response was more anti-town than scum.In post 645, -Grey- wrote:Anti-town != Pro-scum
BBT not being super concerned with helping find scum in his last moments doesn't make him scum. It makes him petulant.
Why would scum feel petulant over being lynched? They wouldn't.
Scum does a lot of things when they think they're hammered, but I don't really see them sulk.
I think he's still an okay lynch if the day doesn't progress in any other direction. Honestly I still think he might be scum. Most cases as town if I think I'm being hammered I try and throw every last bit of info and insight that I have.-
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How were you baited into claiming prematurely? You really were at L-1 just Grey was a fake hammer.In post 652, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:If I've been baited into prematurely claiming I can't even be bothered with this game. Clearly I'm not paying enough attention.-
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This is interesting...In post 656, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I didn't need to claim because there was no intent to hammer.
Lynch Moz or Uzi if you want to hit scum.
Why Uzi?
Why Moz?
What makes you so sure about that.
question why did you claim? You make it sound like there was intent to hammer. But if I read back the VC went. Uzi puts you to L-1, Alisae unvotes to avoid a deep hammer, then you claim after this is clarified, and a fake hammer comes in from Grey... no where in there did we talk about intent to hammer.
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In post 666, ConManMick wrote:Having played with BBT before I can see this reaction coming from him as town
Holy shit where did you come from!!
But seriously please weigh in here. Also Meta is NAI.... sulking after this scenario is easily done by town and scum....
How do you feel about BBT before this?
What's your reads look like?
I have like 1000 questions but just start posting content please CMM-
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General questions I want answered from specific people. I'll reference some posts for clarity afterwords if I have too.
@ Alisae you still think BBT is scum who's buddies with him? What did you think about Uzi's certainty on the hammer then a call for you to be looked at tomorrow?
@Uzi. Why should we look at Ali tomorrow? You never answered AH Aabout that you just said cause BBT was hammered.
@Grey do you always use Fake hammers as reaction tests cause I swear to God I saw it this time, but last time and if this is your MO imma never be able to take you seriously when we play lol. Also side note. Considering LUV said he read up on our game don't you think it's a bit strange he kinda fell for the fake hammer?
@CMM What do you think of the people involved right around the time of the fake hammer. (Grey, Ali, LUV). Note that Ali really wasn't apart of it he just happened to unvote to prevent derphammer and then revoted when he got the claim I don't really read that one way or the other since I can understand that reasoning.-
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Forgive me for the wall between my thought process and yours. I understand leaning BBT scum, who are your other top scum leans if not BBT or along with BBThe. that's all I'm asking.In post 685, Alisae wrote:Eww pre-flip associations. DISGUSTING LAD!
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Not for me. I mean yes this is one thing but I didn't particularly like BBT before that because of his wishy washy reads and reasonings. I spell that out in my defense of myself.In post 698, mozamis wrote:ok so is the main case on BBT thta he contradicted himself about Hawk coasting?-
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This was directed at BBT I just quoted Alisae cause I was agreeing with him. Alisae is a he by the way...In post 707, mozamis wrote:
Yeah agree with this.In post 590, Hawk wrote:Like you're town reading me now that I've said I'd be okay to lynch Moz?? Why? You were 100% I was scum. Then a little later you were not so sure, and now that my wagon lost traction you 180 me and ask to lynch Moz??
However, she also thnks BBT is scum, and the way he just came out and said you were town to deflect from him seemed scummy, so i dont know about alisae.
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I'm fine with this but as of right now BBT seems to have checked himself out of this game... :/In post 711, mozamis wrote:People need to calm the fuck down. We still have 3 days to lynch.
We need more from BBT.
And I would like to hear more from Ali about her going from Hawk to BBT and unvoting and revoting etc.
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While I haven't changed much of my opinion on AH being town I'm never 100% on anyone unless they claim with proof or something to that extent.In post 859, Grendel wrote:I'm sleep deprived but decided to stop in and say hello anyway
I like to explain all my reads when I can, and I decided to start where I feel strongest.In post 829, Alisae wrote:Actually Grendal, why are you explaining why you're townreading people?
What's the prob bob?
I haven't exactly finished explaining things. Only dropped a reads list, and expounded on some trs.Hawk wrote:@Fitz what do you think of Grendel's catchup?
@Grendel while I would like to hear more about why you are Town leaning people would you do me a favor and Explain why you dislike Anti?
Also, Patience is a virtue.
I'm guessing your still positive Antihume is town? ANy new reasons, or are they the same ones you had when you were walling?
Why are you so good for town Moz, and AH?Alisae wrote:also
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Townbloc this game is probably Mick, Moz, Grey, AH, Fitz, Uzi.
I'm more interested in what you saw that might be scummy behavior from AH.
I won't say he's without scummy things cause I haven't checked his ISO since the flip. And pre-flip asside from his half a white Knight on me nothing seemed too off. But I was also being run up for inactivity so I might have been a bit biased for people taking my side.
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This is extremely important and may not be anything substantial now but should be noted in the future.
Also sorry I'm doing this catchup backwards.
Pedit: Moz's tone? Please point to examples of what you mean. Cause I don't particularly feel Moz is town....-
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I like a lot of Grendel's reads and explanations. While I don't think he's really scumhunting yet he's at least being more contributiversatile than some other players.
Alisae you flip flop your vote so much why?
Can we get on this VOTE: Moz
Like Moz's ISO is pretty lacking in content. He spends plenty of time defending himself, echoing other people's comments and questions. and very little time pressuring. The closest I've seen from him in regards to pressure is FoSing Alisae but he doesn't even do so very heavily just kinda casually and today it was the first comment he made and then when Alisae's wagon formed he hasn't engaged him at all. Just sat back and let everyone else do the work. I don't like this.-
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While I didn't express it near the end of the lynch I stayed on BBT because even if we hadn't lynched him unless his attitude 180'd and he put forth any type of effort he would have just held us back as town.
I mean what if he was scum. If we let him slide through D1 with such an I give up attitude because he got wagon'd and felt like he wasn't going to be listened to then we set a precedent for town reading giving up underpressure. It's not good for town to be so loose with someone who won't defend themselves or actively hunt scum after being pressured.-
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Fairly convinced of this after rereading the whole thread. I'm on mobile so I will outline later but here's where I'm at.In post 995, havingfitz wrote:3 day weekends/vla's are grrrrrrrrreat!
Catching up in 3 games not so much.
So we had Ali at L-1 and let the wagon shrink. Ffs.
Hawk...why moz over Ali? Do you still sr Ali?
I think LUV is town. Leaning town on CMM...maybe Empking.
Snowman seems like lynchbait in all the games I've seen him in. So not a fan of his short lived wagon.
Town: LUV, CMM, Snowman, and Fitz probably.
Town leans: Grendel and AH.
I think Grey vs Ali is TvS not sure which way.
I think at least one of Moz or EMP is scum.
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Woah woah woah. I'm fairly certain you thought he was a mason.In post 1010, -Grey- wrote:In post 999, havingfitz wrote:
Haven't been scum reading him. If I had to pick I'd guess he was town. Not a fan him following around Ali today despite maaaybe suspecting that slot. Not interested in voting him any time soon.In post 997, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:What are your thoughts on Grey again?
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In post 306, -Grey- wrote:
I believe you. That push is embarrassing.In post 240, Alisae wrote:Grey, I'm flipping Green.In post 313, -Grey- wrote:{boring, Alisae}
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{mozamis, ConManMick}In post 331, -Grey- wrote:I saw something that made me believe that Alisae is town that I had written off on the initial read through.
Seems pretty obvious.In post 843, -Grey- wrote:The only way Alisae's d1 play makes any kind of sense is from the perspective of a mason trolling for reactions. That's why I flipped my read so hard yesterday.
His little "Masons with Transcend" gambit makes perfect sense if the real Masons knew he wasn't fishing them out... which they would if he was one...
Also, his whole attitude yesterday was "fuck you, I'm untouchable".
Get the fuck off Alisae and find scum.In post 925, -Grey- wrote:Oh?
Well, that certainly explains the wagon. And it destroys every reason I was townreading you.
All in one fell swoop.
VOTE: Alisae
Uhhhh yeah that looks like a contradiction?In post 1010, -Grey- wrote:In post 999, havingfitz wrote:
Haven't been scum reading him. If I had to pick I'd guess he was town. Not a fan him following around Ali today despite maaaybe suspecting that slot. Not interested in voting him any time soon.In post 997, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:What are your thoughts on Grey again?
Alisae is my top scumread atm. I only unvoted because the day was young and the wagon was big.
Which one is it Grey? Did you think he was a Mason D1 or did you honestly unvote because of wagon reasons. Cause Your posts kinda indicate otherwise.-
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Nvm... you're referring to this unvote yeah?? My bad I'm an idiot. And my thinking was off...
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I realized that I thought your comment about why you unvoted was in reference to that unvote post d1 which clearly was you mason reading Ali.In post 1015, -Grey- wrote:Keep reading.
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If you check back I was originally on Moz I unvoted to give us time and space because two people were replacing and Anti was rejoining the game near the end of the day. The flip to Ali from Moz after all that and two misLynches makes me think we were on the right track.In post 1054, MathBlade wrote:In post 1046, tojam2 wrote:VC 2.L
Alisae (L) - havingfitz, Empking, Lil Uzi Vert, ConManMick, mozamis
mozamis (L-3) - SnarkySnowman, Grendel
NV (3) - -Grey- (TBR) , antihuman (Returned!), Alisae, Hawk
With 8 active players, it takes 5 to lynch.
Alisae was aVanilla Townie.
Night 2 has begun, vote is off, -Grey- will be replaced under standard procedure.
(expired on 2017-02-03 16:24:00)
Hawk why did you avoid both wagons?
VOTE: Mozamis