Open 670: Near Vanilla (Over)
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This post sets off a red flag for me - I don't understand why Nebula felt the need to address this point. It's almost like scum caught for the wrong reasons.In post 45, nebula wrote:
I am not sure how this makes sense if the replace-out was not voluntary.In post 42, MagnaofIllusion wrote:And now that Hellfire's ban has been retroactively reversed I'm not moving my vote as that replace-out is scummy.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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Toto, can you be very explicit with what this post means please?In post 51, Toto wrote:I'm waiting for scum to post, any minute now.
Why are you town reading Sesq here?In post 60, nebula wrote: I think you are town.
Where did Toto sheep?In post 63, Sesq wrote:Toto's sheep play is sort of alarming to me. I don't see why MB is scum beyond using bad logic.
Sesq, can you talk to me about why you felt the need to provide a reads-list on page 3?Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 198, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Nebula, I would appreciate it if you could respond to my posts.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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Riley, can you explain why your perspective is exclusively 'people being wagoned must be town'? You're speaking from the perspective that both Nebula and MB are town - and I don't see why.In post 78, Riley Cake wrote: HI EVERYONE I AM RILEY CAKE !
I think nebula might just be new and doesn't know why RVS is good for townies! So, I think voting nebula is badsies! But!!! I think the people voting nebula are probably scum trying to kill him, so that's bad and we should vote them!! Not the first person though!! It's probably the first person was just an INNOCENT PAWN who started the wagon and the people who sheeped them are scum!
...But then, I looked at the vote score and, nobody has really tried to sheep on nebula yet! It was all transferred votes from Heckfire Missile!! So I think we should look at another wagon: MUSIC BOX
Can you explain why you're voting Toto please?
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What did you like about post 52?In post 203, nebula wrote: What? Why I said Sesq was town in post 60? I liked post 52 at the time.
Also, can you talk about why you felt the need to explain Hellfire's replace out?Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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I like the reassessment of Sesq's 'reads'. It looks forced to me - like scum trying to look like they have something to contribute to the game.
It might have been a bad argument, but had you replaced into a town slot, I don't feel like you would have entertained the post.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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Your town-read must be super strong to be batting away votes already. I don't like this at all.In post 113, Toto wrote:Godzilla, get off hawk. Im ok with with uzi.
Hawk, would you agree with this assessment that your 41 and 47 are 'town' posts?In post 119, Toto wrote: 41 and 47 look like town to me. I think he is genuinely trying to figure nebula out, and not trying to do so for the looks or to trap them. That was the most town like interaction I had looked at so far.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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I'm obviously asking you to look at it from a non-biased perspective.
I thought a lot of it was theory talk and therefore NAI, so I'm interested to see that you do think they're town posts.
I feel like Toto is trying to pocket you. This isn't saying I think you're town, but looking at Toto's posts wrt you I can't help but think it.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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You don't think town use bad reasoning?
What does being easy to yell at have to do with it?
Also, there are statistics on this site that suggest scum are most likely to be first on a wagon over any other position.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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I would usually provide more than what I'm doing right now but I'm super busy atm.
I won't have time for this today but will try to get around to it tomorrow. Sorry for my absence.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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IIRC, you wrote a post saying that you usually need a couple of flips/days before you can read Lowell accurately.In post 1023, MagnaofIllusion wrote: Anyone want to play "Spot the evidence showing that Lowell is scum" in this post.
Why is this game different?Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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This sequence of posting makes Sesq town for me.In post 163, Sesq wrote:See neb? This is what opportunistic looks like.
Getting some bad vibes with these two.
He votes Nebula after their discussion. Soon after, both Kain and Toto jump on the Nebula wagon. Now, the way I see it is like this. Sesq!Scum just sits back and enjoys the growing wagon on the person he is voting. It's exactly what he would have been hoping would happen when he voted.
However, he doesn't do this. Instead, he questionspeople who just jumped on the Nebula wagon with him - it's a town paranoia of 'Woah, why did they both just join so quickly'. Scum don't pick up on things like that, unless Sesq/Nebula are both scum - and I'm like 95% sure they're not.both
Sesq voters should move swiftly over to Lowell.
Thanks.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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I don't know what the current VC looks like (In post 950, Creature wrote:) but judging by who is on that Hiraki wagon I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.Mod, could we have one please?
Is Nebula a viable wagon? How many votes does he have atm?Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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Hiraki also looked town from what I read upon his replace in.
MB is also a lower level town read of mine. Lowell is the only person I really have a problem with on the Sesq wagon - I have no read on LUV so far.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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Nebula and Sesq are where they are in my reads based on their early game discussion - I believe Nebula came out of it looking much better.
Sesq has a lot of instances where he says things like - 'I don't know what I was thinking', 'I can't really explain it now' and 'Oh yeah, that was really bad posting from me'. Those types of comments don't sit well with me because it's a cop-out from explaining his reasoning.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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Elena can you talk me through both of these reads at the time - specifically, why were you scum reading me but willing to move onto Nebula?In post 493, Elena Fisher wrote:We lynch this then BBT.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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Can you explain why you think I'm scum then?In post 1162, Elena Fisher wrote:I had a sr on Neb (still semi do but not to the extent of you/Magna) and also one on you my sr on you was stronger yes but Neb had a much higher chance of getting lynched so I voted Neb.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.