Open 670: Near Vanilla (Over)

[Lowell]

VOTE: Hellfire

Agreed. Bandwagon ho.

[Lowell]

Toto and Riley town.

Lil and sesq scum.

unvote

VOTE: Lil

[Lowell]

VOTE: hawk

Magna inspired me to read hawk's iso. Agree.

[Lowell]

@nebula, stop nagging me. my reads are infallible. Except in cases when they fail. Which never happens. Check my meta, I've never been wrong. Only you have, if you check my meta and find me being wrong. That's wrong.

Lil is gut. He's too safe. Sesq reads like he wants to coast and pretend to look helpful. I forget who else you asked about.

[Lowell]

Toto to me is the only obvtown so far. 169 is exactly right. And I'm going to take credit for the fact that after I called sesq a coaster he decided to pull the toughguy routine and naked vote.

[Lowell]

Go wagon, go.

VOTE: sesq

[Lowell]

@hawk, riley has a newbtown vibe he just can't hide.

toto looks good in his latest push on nebula.

nydush's posts are an absolute nonfactor. congrats if that's what you were going for. even while reading them I forget what they're about. posts like 252 feel entirely contrived.

fos nydush
fos nebula

[Lowell]

^^^ this isn't right.

nebula or sesq are better.

[Lowell]

@magna- no, I don't think sesq and nebula are both scum. There's no associative reason why not, I just find it hard to believe both lead wagons ever are. But they're both scummy.

[Lowell]

@magna- no, I don't think sesq and nebula are both scum. There's no associative reason why not, I just find it hard to believe both lead wagons ever are. But they're both scummy.

If one flipped town you'd lynch the other?

I mean I'm not sitting here saying I'm trying to set up future lynches, but yeah I'm not NOT saying that.

[Lowell]

VOTE: KAIN TEEPS!!!!!!!!!

VOTE: KAIN TEEPS!!!!!!!!!

SELF VOTING IS SCUMMY!!!!!

What I'm seeing here is riley doesn't want nebula to die and also doesn't want to be one of the last on the wagon when sesq does. The "too obvious" conclusion here is nebula/riley scumpair. I'm going to try not to get all spun up about this, but this is a terrible terrible derailment when there's a L-2 and L-3 at play.

Of course, for that matter, so is Kain Tep's.

[Lowell]

Elena and BBT are town.

[Lowell]

Toto is town, and correct on 531 but possibly incorrect on 532.

[Lowell]

That was meant to have more conviction than it did.

[Lowell]

I don't really see the hiraki wagon. But mostly I'm feeling confident one of nebula or sesq is scum so I don't see the point.

[Lowell]

@mod

- I'm also out this weekend.

[Lowell]

In three games, caught up on two. This one is the longest and may have to wait until tomorrow. Apologies.

[Lowell]

From 534:

550s- nebula tries to be clever [-, tries]
561- Kain switches votes constantly [+, I like this]
557- MoI calls out nebula [+, true]
604- sesq leads with 6 votes, nebula with 5
600s- hiraki wagon begins
700s- toto pushing hiraki wagon
700s- brief elena wagon [her reaction is decent]
797- sesq says he's sheeping "for my own benefit" [-, okay...]
831- MoI shows up to jump on elena wagon [-, looks too polished, and convenient timing]
844- MoI votes hiraki

I'm feeling better about

nebula

than I was before and don't want to see him lynched.

hiraki

is largely a null read for me. If it comes to his lynch it's fine, but not my preferred. Nor is

Elena

, who reads as clear town to me.

I'm still very happy with a

sesq

lynch here, and I'm wary of moving my vote away. However, I'd be remiss if I didn't at least mention one other case I'd very, very, much like to see take off.

VOTE: magna

I read the last 20 pages at a rapid clip and probably missed some things. However, 831 & 844 stick out like sore thumbs. After a wagon briefly appears on Elena, MoI shows up to vote her. Only, he comes up with an elaborate reason for doing so. Like he was eager to just bandwagon whoever but didn't want to make it look like that's what he's doing so he reverse-engineered some pages-spanning attack. Where was this case before toto (and whoever else) sensitized it with his own vote? He's too polished, is the point.

[Lowell]

Strong townreads on

toto

and

music box

.

[Lowell]

I'm still very happy with a sesq lynch here, and I'm wary of moving my vote away. However, I'd be remiss if I didn't at least mention one other case I'd very, very, much like to see take off.

Yes, yes. Magna is scum too...now's not the time to try and start a new wagon. Put your vote back on Sesq and we can lynch Mags tomorrow.

Yeah, fine.

VOTE: sesq

So you agree with me on Magna then, or was that just a blow-off?

[Lowell]

Strong townreads on

toto

and

music box

.

Why is elena not on this list?

Oh yeah, forgot about Elena. She's town too.

[Lowell]

After a wagon briefly appears on Elena, MoI shows up to vote her.

Insert OREALY Owl gif here …

I never voted Elena. Why do you think I did?

I stand corrected, MoI didn't show up to vote Elena. MoI showed up to meticulously explain why Elena is "probably scum" but deliberately didn't vote her to avoid having to answer questions about why he's voting her.

[Lowell]

Jesus end this day.

[Lowell]

It's been so long, I forget. Let me ISO myself real quick.

[Lowell]

magna, chaos, and sesq, in that order.

[Lowell]

It's been so long, I forget. Let me ISO myself real quick.

"Quick let me check what fake reads I've been presenting ..."

Scum.

Oh damn I slipped!

[Lowell]

Also happy scumday, scumguy.

[Lowell]

IIRC, you wrote a post saying that you usually need a couple of flips/days before you can read Lowell accurately.

Why is this game different?

Because he screwed up and exposed himself today. My experience with Lowell scum is that he usually hangs back more effectively as scum.

Read the part of my 923 related to him for him for when he made this mistake.

His recent batch of posting only reinforces it for me. I mean – he couldn’t remember his reads from 48 hours ago and one of his three listed scum isn’t even a player in the game …

I'm no fan of metas. But if anything, all of this would suggest I'm

not

scum, wouldn't it? Either way, good luck on my lynch.

[Lowell]

Sesq (6) – LUV, Music Box, Hiraki, Nebula, Lowell, BBT

If I had the mystic power to kill myself and every player on a wagon I'd use it in an instant here.

Nebula, Lowell and Hiraki are all scummy as hell.
LUV is low key sliding by and would be a secondary pick for me (along with Elena) if I was wrong about any of the first three.
Music Box and BBT would most likely be collateral damage based on my reads right now.

But I'm confident at least 2/3 scum are here and I'd make a 2-5 trade any day of the week leaving Town in a 6 on 1 advantage if I didn't net all three scum with my move.

So, here's my maga problem, in a nutshell.

He's trying to casually call his OMGUS attack on me as some principled vote (which, hey, where was this before I called him scum?). Then instead of just leaving it there as a (mostly pointless but) largely harmless post he needs to clarify his LAMIST motivaitons with the last sentence. And he accuses

me

of being too careful? Yeesh.

[Lowell]

EBWOP:
Sorry, that's my "magna" problem.

My "maga" problems? Well, too many to name here...

[Lowell]

@magna, I don't know where you're going with this. Yes, I forgot my townreads. I actually

did

ISO myself. I'm in multiple games and I can't remember offhand the status of each one without reading back. That doesn't make my reads "fake". And, again, you're the guy saying I'm more polished when I'm scum. So what's your point here?

[Lowell]

Well, turns out I can. And I did.

[Lowell]

Your alternative is what, that I wanted to keep my elena townread a secret?

[Lowell]

The alternative is that you are lying about having reads at all. Scum don't have reads. They know.

I get that this game is taking forever and going nowhere. But you can't be this lazy.

[Lowell]

Why am I being lazy?

44 pages and what you come up with is "oh on the last page Lowell didn't list one of his town reads. ergo scum."? Dig a little deeper.

[Lowell]

I guess 43 pages?

[Lowell]

Oh noes, a wagon!

[Lowell]

So I've been here trying to catch up but I'm not entirely sure on everything and there are a lot of questions I want to ask.

Lowell do you have a case against Magna besides OMGUS? Because Magna seems to have punched some pretty big holes in your arguments. As well I don't buy the I forgot Elena as being simply that. If you are town and even if you're overwhelmed in another game (I can vouch he's in a game with a player named Chaos Im in that game too) And got confused for a second shouldn't your redux of why you left Elena off the list be I didn't. My post right above makes the assumption she is town these are just after thoughts I posted in addition. Instead you say I forgot Elena... no you didn't forget Elena.. you forgot that your line of thought included Elena anyway so you fix that post as a town list instead of an after thought which is how I read it the first time.

VOTE: Lowell This lynch makes sense.

I can't answer any of these questions because none of these questions make any sense. I still don't see what you're trying to say about me vis a vis elena. I literally could not remember what was happening in this game, so I looked back. In no way do I understand your argument that forgetting a person when looking back means anything. Maybe if I dropped a scumread, I guess? But forgetting to list a townread, when the original question was "who do you think is scum"? You can't seriously believe this is a thing, right?

Also, magna is dripping with scumminess. He writes back with tedious precision to any attack on him. That in no way makes him more town to me.

[Lowell]

I'll likely be out all weekend. I'm putting you on notice that any further votes on me will be considered an act of war.

Unless they are done with bold hubris and winsome charm. In which case I commend your hubris and charm.

[Lowell]

I'll likely be out all weekend. I'm putting you on notice that any further votes on me will be considered an act of war.

This really makes me want to vote you.

Bro I'm not coming to the office tomorrow just to avoid your vote.

[Lowell]

Lowell the case against you is that your line of thinking or rather the way you are presenting your reads is inconsistent therefore could be coming from the fact that your reads are fabricated, and you got lost in your own made up story.

Your reads and contributions so far have been lacking a lot details. Therefore it is hard to judge you otherwise from the little content you have provided. If you are town please provide more detailed explanations for your reads.

Lay thy thought process open before this town, I compel you!


(basically you are getting lynched unless you come up with good reads, and alternative cases)

Yeah, you're really not thinking here. How often do scum hilariously admit to ISO'ing themselves? If I were scum I'd be damn sure I remember who my scum and townreads are. You should praise my adorable candor, not acting like you've proved something.

[Lowell]

Because someone said "what about Elena" so I assumed I forgot her and mentioned her again, I guess? Your attempts to explain your issue here leave me more and more confused.

[Lowell]

It's like a brick wall, this argument is going nowhere. Fine, whatever you found, run with it.

[Lowell]

It's like a brick wall, this argument is going nowhere. Fine, whatever you found, run with it.

I understand the argument is at an impass. Either we believe town!lowell forgot to mention her, or we go for the scum!lowell slipped theory. It's really up to you. If you are town, show it. Give me good reads.

I'll get to it when I'm back in the office on Monday. Unfortunately I had to spend the last several days arguing about nothing.

[Lowell]

Ugh, deadline. Dammit give me a minute.

[Lowell]

Will I lynch?

1. Lil Uzi Vert: I... guess. Meh.
2. BlueBloodedToffee: No.
3. nydushermain: Neutral, so, sure.
4. MagnaofIllusion: Yes, please!
5. KainTepes: No.
6. Lowell: No.
7. Hiraki: Yes.
8. Riley Cake: Probably not.
9. Toto: No, but he could quit nagging me.
10. Sesq: Yes, please.
11. nebula: sure, why not.
12. Music Box: No.
13. Elena Fisher: No.
14. Hawk: Yes, but not ideal.

[Lowell]

VOTE: sesq
If I'm not already there. Sometimes when a wagon gets big, but doesn't quite get over the hump, that's a sign it's a good wagon being derailed. Let's see if that's what's happening here.