OPEN 663: STACK THE DECK (GAME OVER)
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I've NEVER replaced into a game over 5 pages long... especially something with 60 pages (jesus christ) so I'm going to try my best to catch up but I definitely need some form of TL;DR. I don't particularly trust myself to remember everything because I'm not a note taker. Also, alisae surviving into day 2 as town is shocking. Surprised he didn't self hammer.-
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OH OKAY. So our current situation is this:
there are 2 mafia. According to the setup (now correct me if I'm wrong), the mafia can choose if they want to grant themselves roles which consequently also gives us an equal amount of PRs. Since there are 2 mafia goon (unless traitor can also get a role? actually doesn't matter since he just flipped traitor anyways), there can be up to 2 PRs. Since reg is inno child, we know that at most (meaning both other PR claims could technically still be scum), there's 1 scum inside the claims. Holy fuck, this game is already so easy.
I didn't give a read through of things yet but I'll say that a cop claim as scum is such an odd claim to make. Gives town weird interaction info based on who he claimed his check on if he's scum and there's a large myriad of roles you could've chosen that are so easy and gives you 0 associations like... let's say... ROLEBLOCKER. Just based on the oddities of the claims, I think that the cop is more likely to be the real PR if there is only one scum within the claims. Actually, there's no reason for both scum to claim a PR so I'm just going to play off the assumption that one of them is real. That being said, I should still read through shit.-
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I don't know when the claims happened but you guys said a lot of it was based on fighting between the two? I promise to read through it but I'll also say that gamma, unless he claimed immediately, would also have to retrace his steps as scum and make sure that his check made sense. I think it's just sooooo much easier to claim something that doesn't feign giving him perfect information so another point for him.-
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You're townsiding scum.In post 1516, Regfan wrote:
Knowing Nydus he would do it regardless of his alignment, his other posts since replacing in do come across as town and I think he did genuinely believe thereIn post 1510, ThinkBig wrote:On a serious note, I don't think scum would replace in and vote for an IC like nydush did.hadto be scum between Gamma/Kop which means he doesn't make sense as scum unless he's one of them anyway and with his push on the roleblocker claim being fake already I'd argue he's probably not with Kop. Pretty much my town read on Aliseas been strengthened via Nydus's posts thus far.-
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I think that's an interesting thing too @regfan. So you're claiming that scum tend to either take a lot of powers (more than 1?) which would give us 4 PRs (since traitor flip was without a power?) or they take none at all which would give us 2 PRs... one being you. Here's a question about the NK on ssbm: would scum hunt for the LAST PR if they knew there was only 2 with one of them being you? Personally, and I'm not sure how it goes in forum, but I feel like scum would just NK you and just kill the last PR after he/she claims no? I think that there's more validity to both claims being real BECAUSE scum tried to hunt for PRs. Either that or SSBM was so right it was scary.-
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I agree with whoever said that realeo (or whoever gamma nongoon checked) is very likely town, regardless of gamma's alignment. Even if gamma were to end up being goon, that's like, such a dumb thing to do to nongoon check your partner like that this early. ESPECIALLY when so much heat was on him. Plus, reg said that gamma was scum reading whoever he nongoon checked on day 1 so I feel like it's really weird thing for a scum to set up a fake inno claim on his partner from day 1 all the way to day 2. Especially with traitor bro lynched.-
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LOLIn post 1082, Realeo wrote:Guys, I hacked into algebra's account and I checked his role PM!
Hello again, algebra.
Your role is nowInactive Child, you are still aligned with Town.
During the day you maynotpost in the game thread andvote to lynch any living player. I will confirm you as town publicly at the beginning of the game. You win when all threats to the Town are dead and at least one Town-aligned player is still alive.
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Exactly my thoughts. PR claims are fun.In post 1527, Regfan wrote:
Yeah I went into this earlier but your point reminds me of another reason why Realeo is pretty much always town;In post 1522, nydushermain wrote:I agree with whoever said that realeo (or whoever gamma nongoon checked) is very likely town, regardless of gamma's alignment. Even if gamma were to end up being goon, that's like, such a dumb thing to do to nongoon check your partner like that this early. ESPECIALLY when so much heat was on him. Plus, reg said that gamma was scum reading whoever he nongoon checked on day 1 so I feel like it's really weird thing for a scum to set up a fake inno claim on his partner from day 1 all the way to day 2. Especially with traitor bro lynched.
Three and only three worlds exist;
1. Gamma is town, Kop is scum. In this world there's only 2 PR's in the game, Gamma would be cleared as would Releao.
2. Gamma is scum, Kop is town. In this world if Realeo ever got lynched and flipped goon (Which he would have to be if Gamma is scum, only 2 PR's and all) Gamma would also become confirmed scum; not a move scum want.
3. Gamma and Kop are both town. In this world if scum took daytalk Realeo is always town, if they picked something else Realeo still has a very high chance of being town.-
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Alisae is dead. I ate his soul.
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I would also gamble that if only one power was taken, it would've been recruit traitor. That might make the interactions that AH had WAY MORE interesting. I wouldn't ever take day talk unless I had a traitor with me because a 2 person day talk sounds so useless. In that case, I would recruit AND take day talk but we know that's not possible. To take only one role as scum is just odd as well. Seems kind of pointless because the point of taking a role cop for example would be if you knew there were many roles but if you don't take role cop, there are only 2... etc. I think that if the other 2 PR claims are legit, and I feel like gamma's is, at the very least, credible, it's very likely that AH's interactions, or more specifically, other people's interactions with AH are significant.-
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I umm... finished skimming through day 2... and forget everything that happened... I got lost with who was saying what... Yeah... I'm going to go to bed soon after an episode of Judge Judy and I'll up my reading comprehension tomorrow. It's good to know @reg/dunn that traitor wasn't recruited. That makes me think that there's probably one scum between the two PR claims and it's probably kop.
Keep in mind that these reads are purely based off claims and the setup, they have nothing to do with how players acted during the day. You could make these names anonymous and my reads on this situation would still be the same. I dunno, I feel like if ONE power was claimed, it would always be recruit-a-friend. Can someone convince me otherwise?-
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That's what I'm saying. I don't think daytalk is bad, I think it's actually quite powerful. However, I would NEVER take it with only 2 scum in the chat. That's just... so dumb and it could backfire if one gets lynched because there are you know... 3 PRs resultant from that choice. I think that anyone who takes daytalk would always take the traitor with them. Anyways, that's just my opinion and it could very well be a scum taking a role but I just... I just don't think that's the case.In post 1545, Regfan wrote:@Nydus - Personally I think daytalk is underrated as scum and would have probably selected it as well as recruiting the traitor as mafia either that or selected nothing; the rest of the powers don't seem particularly useful to me. I think people look at the setup and roles very differently though but again think the general consensus is people believe lots or none fits for everyone. I very much do think we have a fake claim happening here.
@Desperado - What do you yourself make of the mass-claim results? And why do you think Kops real? This isn't a stance you've shown much inside your ISO; you merely didn't want to lynch a claimed PR earlier.-
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I feel like scum come right into the game with the mentality of "either defend my partners or bus them lightly so that they look good or I look good in a flip." I think that even though this was an RVS, if dave were one of the scum partners, mariar would've given at least some sort of reason. I think that the idea that she should at least somewhat bus would be in the back of her head and make her make something up. Probably a stupid read and is pretty much page 1 so still reading.In post 22, MariaR wrote:VOTE: dave
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Mariar's answer to why she voted on dave (in the RVS), and then "seriously" on hans. She doesn't give a real reason for voting on dave other than to say that it was just some RVS vote. I dunno, I really do think she'd have come up with something if dave was a scum partner. Even if it's something small like "I don't like the way he looks"In post 126, MariaR wrote:Because it's random voting stage and almost every vote there is random I think a few of the questions you asked are blatantly obv questions with obv answers and some seem to have a spin on them I dislike-
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This probably is almost never scum v scum.
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I really like this question from superhans. He was kind of throwing shade on maria the whole day leading up to her request to be replaced. It does fit in line with his train of thought if he's town. I don't think that scum think to ask this question the moment someone asks to be replaced. I think they just get annoyed that their main target disappeared and may be replaced by someone townier.In post 286, Superhans wrote:Question to the veterans:
Do town players substitute out at a greater rate than scum players, or is it usually the same rate?
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Umm... I JUST got to the part where reuben was replaced by AH... I thought maria was the traitor slot...In post 1553, Regfan wrote:@Desp - Do you think it's more likely that scum would take 1 power over none then? If so which one? And ignoring the number of PR claims what's your individual read on Kops play & claim.
@Nydus - I'd rather you focus on stating what your reads are on specific players posts rather than X/Y aren't scum together due to Z post. We can hunt via interactions when we get a scum flip, until then it doesn't do us much good and would rather you focus on getting base reads on players in the game first.
I've literally been assuming that maria was conf scum and ignoring actually reading her. kms-
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On an added note to that, if kop were scum trying to fake claim, and gamma is real, then we know that scum took zero powers. That being said, why would he be afraid to claim block on ANYONE living? When he already knows that there are no PRs left? Thought of this during judge judy but didn't remember until this post. Thanks despIn post 1557, Desperado wrote:Not taking at least one of daytalk, recruitment, or the JOAT is just bizarre to me. You can do without the BP and the Role Cop if you aren't taking a lot of power, and I can understand either doing both recruitment and daytalk or neither, but the JOAT deals with every power role the town can potentially get and is extremely powerful.
I think Kop's claim makes sense, I understand why he chose SSBM over Gamma, and I also don't think claiming roleblocked on a living player is nearly as dangerous as you've been suggesting, especially with Gamma having already outed; that leaves only one role left (tracker) that could counterclaim Kop's roleblock. If anything, I think Kop as scum would understand that claiming a block on the dead is going to look suspicious and, already at L-1, it would be optimal to take the 1/7 chance that he claims to have blocked a tracker with a result by accident.-
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Roleblocker with n1 action on ssbmIn post 1558, Gamma Emerald wrote:what did kop claim-
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Does traitor AH replace and immediately build a case against scum partner TB? Like.. a HUGE case? I think it depends on how much AH hates playing the alignment because if he's scum, he might've been playing suicidal scum and trying to get some distancing. I don't really think so though. I feel like the way he went about his push... it's just too... elaborate.-
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If it's such a hard and awkward claim to make, don't you think he just claims something easier like bodyguard?In post 1564, Regfan wrote:@Desp - I personally consider the JOAT very weak in this setup, it's only 2 1-shot abilities and using them optimally is difficult to do. In regards to Kop claiming to roleblock SSBM I think at the moment it's less fear of what other claims there might have been (Because if he's scum he knows there's no other) but the fact that he genuinelycouldn'tclaim a roleblock on a living player; he would have to explain why he never voted or stated a scum read on the player coming into D2 where he voted Gamma.-
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Interesting statement.In post 390, Antihuman wrote:^this is a good observation. I'm not exactly sure what's the basis for Dunn's townread on me, apart from the fact he does townread me.-
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Yasssssss, this slot is fantastic. Lynch regfan 10xIn post 492, Alisae wrote: Algebra - Scum
Needs to eat rope beacause common core is shit, and in my algebra 2 class I didn't learn a single thing-
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Maybe scum!nydus hammers so that he doesn't have a chance muahahahaIn post 1574, Regfan wrote:Also Gamma you need to try and catch up with this game asap, if you're town you're almost certainly dying in the night so leaving behind reads would help.-
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Me likes this train of thought.In post 658, Desperado wrote:UNVOTE: AH
VOTE: ThinkBig
Nvm, I actually just had a bit of a revelation. If AH is scum and Alisae/Dave are town pushing me as traitor, that wagon should have gained more traction. AH already highlighted the discrepancy in ThinkBigs opinion on me as traitor and how it relates to his reads. AH is town.-
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Nvm. I think that SSBM's push on kop kinda seals the deal for me. Kop is probably scum...In post 1578, nydushermain wrote:If gamma didn't claim cop, I think that the way AH played day 1 would've 100% gotten him lynched today. That's interesting. I think that gamma's claim is decent though... but I think that everything else leads to him being scum.-
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I read the whole thread but in reverse order. Day 2 -> Day 1. Got a little confused because I thought the slots were kinda swapped... like I think mariar was the AH slot, etc. Main thing is, I kinda read the thread and forgot who said what so you're not going to get toooo much out of me. Either way, I think kop is a decent lynch. Can I just sheep you this game? I replaced into a game too big for me :<In post 1590, Regfan wrote:I'm up.
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I know there's just a lot to read and it's hard. I'll try my best.In post 1594, Regfan wrote:@Realeo - Thoughts on scum taking 1 thing only v 0? If you had to take a punt at the exact scum team right now who is it?
@Nydus - I'd rather you put forward your own thoughts and reads, I'm pretty positive you're town here and hearing someone elses reads that I trust would really assist me here given that my reads don't match those of most of the room. What's your read on TB's play individually? What do you think the AH push/play around TB does to TBs alignment? What's your read on Dunnstral/Desperado/Dave/Superhans overall?
P.S. I never actually intended to hammer today, just wanted gamma to give reads at that moment but he's not... here?-
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Yeah. At best I can call it a gut read.In post 1599, Realeo wrote:
AgreeIn post 1598, nydushermain wrote:My strongest read is on realeo. I think he's pretty town even ignoring the claim on him. I'm kind of liking hans in terms of content but dislike his aggression but that could just be a personality clash thing.
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In post 1600, Realeo wrote:In post 1597, nydushermain wrote:P.S. I never actually intended to hammer today, just wanted gamma to give reads at that moment but he's not... here?-
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Well regfan said like 5 minutes earlier that I shouldn't hammer within 24 hours so... I don't know what to tell ya xDIn post 1604, Realeo wrote:
To be fair, I feel "never actually intended to hammer" not genuine. When I see this post, I went..In post 1602, nydushermain wrote:In post 1600, Realeo wrote:In post 1597, nydushermain wrote:P.S. I never actually intended to hammer today, just wanted gamma to give reads at that moment but he's not... here?
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I can see where you're going with TB being town because who the fuck enters the game, replaces, and then hard busses his scum partner as post # 1. But at the same time, the way it's been going down near EoD was so weird. The way AH said "yeah I was joking but like let's go back on TB" was so weird. I think at the end of the day though, TB is townier for his interactions than not.In post 1603, Regfan wrote:Only scumbags have conversations using emoticons. It's Realeo & Nydus, lock em up boys.
Agree about Realeo entirely, he was my strongest town read before I even got to the report on him. I also had an early town read on Hans due to liking his content, I feel his content has dropped off significantly lately though and find a lot of his pushes and votes make sense as scum so eh I no longer have him in my town pool at all, in fact ignoring his D1 play I'd have a fairly strong scum read on his D2 play. My strong town pool atm is Realeo/Yourself/ThingBig and most people disagree with TB being town so you getting around to reading him is very much needed for me.In post 1598, nydushermain wrote:My strongest read is on realeo. I think he's pretty town even ignoring the claim on him. I'm kind of liking hans in terms of content but dislike his aggression but that could just be a personality clash thing.-
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