Open 669 - Nightless Vengeful Mayhem [Game Over]
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Already don't like this. It's scummy. Revan just says: hey, look at me, posting facts about this game and contribuiting nothing. other people did this, but his pinged me the wrong way.In post 22, Revan wrote:!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is my first game where mafia has daytalk, so this is going to be interesting.
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Meh. Don't like this. You have a point about scum trying to posts that on the surface look Pro-Town but have no helpful content.In post 27, MagnaofIllusion wrote: ...VOTE: Doomfeathers
On a page 2 basis my vote was going to go to either wg or Doom.
Doom got my vote for 14. It’s a suspect post coming on the heels of 9. They are trying to sell two different points of view in too short a time period.
9 says “I am on the ball and am paying attention to the rules” specifically be related to votes being symbolic at that point.
14 on the other hand is peddling both “I’m a newb and don’t get the mechanics” and “I’m not Mafia guys”, the second of which Ultimate picked up on. I’ve seen newer players drop the “I don’t understand the set-up so I’m Town” tell before in other Open set-ups like Jungle Republic so I probably would have voted on that basis alone for early game.
But Doom has enough games on site to understand how the Mafia are going to get the kills they need – mislynches. Basis Mafia101. So the dueling subtext shown of his posts strike me as someone uncomfortable with the early game and looking for footing to get comfortable. The "This is OMGUS" joke is another element I think shows him working to get footing.
Wg would have gotten my vote for 21 but Doom was a stronger vote for this early.
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Actually Scum wins when they are able to earn Town reads in Nightless games since there is no pressure (or in this case significantly lower pressure due to the 2 Daykills) to have to justify why they are so Town read and still alive. With posts like this which on the surface look Pro-Town but mainly empty of actual helpful content.In post 23, wgeurts wrote:I've played nightless before, scum wins only if the town becomes apathetic. Don't spam but don't disappear or lurk either.
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I feel like this post is just like this:
It's just you overly analysing things to try and look town, look that you are scumhunting. You can find scum that early. But posting this big explanations of why this is scum and why this is town so early makes me think you are just trying to look like the strong analytic town member, instead of being it.
Also don't like you saying that Doom is a stronger vote than Wguerts right now. It feels like you're going at the weaker targets.
Everything that you post counts as evidence of townishness or scumness, no matter how weak it is.In post 29, doomfeathers wrote:
Not knowing the rules didn't affect my PM, and getting a sum role wouldn't have explained them to me. This doesn't count as (real or faked) evidence of townishness. Sorry. (Maybe I should have asked somebody about gameplay first, but I figured this was a good place to find out.)In post 14, doomfeathers wrote:I'm a little confused about the mechanics. How do the Mafia kill more than two people with no night phase and only two daykills?
The reason I'm confused is that, without a nightkill, a game ending with one scum and one townie left alive would never end because lynching is the only means of death at that point (assuming scum have used both their kills). How is this situation resolved?
And scum may be scumread for lurking. It's all perspective. I think Magna post was scummy for trying to create a lot of content where there isn't.In post 33, wgeurts wrote:
Isn't delving into people's statements what gets the ball rolling? Pressure early on is good. Magna's post isn't town or scum I'd say right now, as town have just as much incentive to try and create content as scum do. If anything, scum may let the game go it's own way for a while and not intervene as to avoid attention and let the town go on a bit of a wild-goose chase. This is so in every game, not specifically this setup only.In post 28, Hawk wrote:Not particularly Magna. Not at this time anyway. It's already been pointed out and noted. I neither like nor dislike what Doom said and would rather see other peoples reactions and reasoning before anything else because to me it just reads rather Null... I don't feel like reading into it too much because you get into a WIFOM argument about why he would say this.
No need to delve that deeply into a person's statement so early. Honestly the heavy evaluation of P1 by you makes me actually think you're trying too hard if you want to know honestly. But I've never played nightless so it may just be the setup changing the pace of the game.
So you're voting Wguerts, then fosing Hawk, both for weird and made-up reasons on the same post. That makes me feel you're trying to throw shit at the wall and see what sticks. Don't like this. I feel that's what newbie scum would do on this situation, without a night kill.In post 37, doomfeathers wrote:I'm not quite sure what you're saying here. Are you wanting to lynch me and Ultimate Despair, or are you voting for Ultimate Despair and asking me to join you?
In post 23, wgeurts wrote:I've played nightless before, scum wins only if the town becomes apathetic. Don't spam but don't disappear or lurk either.In post 27, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Actually Scum wins when they are able to earn Town reads in Nightless games since there is no pressure (or in this case significantly lower pressure due to the 2 Daykills) to have to justify why they are so Town read and still alive.
Why are you guys so interested in scum's best play? To me, this looks like a great way to appear townie by refuge in audacity. Also, wgeurts seems to be hinting that we should form a bloc, which makes me suspicious.In post 32, wgeurts wrote:Also what you say about winning town reads is true, however it's risky to go for too much town credit early on as the lack of day-kill on them stands out. There's always the element of WiFoM involved though. It also works as a double-edged sword, if the town can form a bloc then they're able to put a lot of pressure on scum as well.
VOTE: wgeurts
That said, thanks! I get how the game works now.
This is completely irrelevant to the game. It reads to me as if you're trying to pick an argument with someone to waste game time by purposely misspelling words in an argument about spelling and asking purposeless questions that could be answered with five seconds on Google. Why are you acting as if it's still RVS?Hawk wrote:OMGUS look at this scum right here!!
That asside is it a reference to someone is the old Extended universe? I like Star Wars but never really got into the books.
FOS Hawk
Where he was being confusing? Being purposely vague is not townplay.In post 44, Friend Computer wrote:To Doomfeathers, I was making a joke; I knew I couldn't vote, so I did that.
And I was answering your question.
Vote: Doomfeathers
For being confusing.
Like this more from Magna. Feels like he is actually trying to process stuff, instead of over analysing things to appear town.In post 48, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
To loosely quote Homer Simpson ...In post 47, Friend Computer wrote:Well, to be honest, we are kinda still in RVS...
"Friend Computer RVS is make believe like elves, gremlins and eskimos"
Every post is a part of the game. Just because it is early it doesn't mean you are exempt from being assessed in what you post. In your case it was specifically a poorly justified hop onto the solidly leading wagon on Doom.
Thus you get my vote for it.
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Why is this question relevant for you? Why did you ask this?In post 51, Revan wrote:Magma how much experience to you have with mafia?
How do you compare Sesq vote with FC? They did the same thing. What is your current read on both of them?In post 54, wgeurts wrote:Magna, care to explain what you dislike about my post? I'm leaning town on you right now. My reads list goes from most town on top to most scum at the bottom. As off now all reads are weak, and will likely change.
{wgeurts}
{magna, UD}
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Hawk's explanation is feasible, although I may not agree with the way he approaches things it now makes sense somewhat. Going to have to see some action on his end before putting him as town though. FC's vote is dodgy, reinforced by the fact he is also newish. I would like some explanation first before making a final judgement though.
Also, what did you see by despair that made you put him on the top part of your reads?
not quoting it all since it would look like a clusterfuck.In post 59, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
...Why no reasoning behind this revote?...In post 57, Sesq wrote:Anyway, since I think it's ""officially"" day 1 i'll reconfirm vote on VOTE: doomfeathers
but this is another solid post by Magna. he seems to be consistent, and the overanalysing style seems to be a playstyle thing. like him pointing out Sesq clinging at the wagon, just like Friend did and he pointed it out.
...still waiting...look at that fluff...In post 65, Revan wrote:
Woah, hold your horses. I need some time to analyze my brother.In post 56, wgeurts wrote:
What are your thoughts on the game?In post 51, Revan wrote:Magma how much experience to you have with mafia?
What was your issue with Hawk at the first time? I looked at the posted where you voted him and it's all passive agressive responses, based on nothing.In post 74, doomfeathers wrote:Eh, never mind. On second ISO, he doesn't look so scummy. I still disagree with avoiding content and judgments early on, though.
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Revan has done the same. Other players like Super have only posted once. Why you decided to specifically point out Sesq?In post 77, doomfeathers wrote:VOTE: Sesq
Sesq has posted five times, but has neither generated content nor voted seriously. She seems to be coasting. Friend Computer has done the same.
Don't like this from Hawk right here. What did you want to gain for the answer? What doom could answer that would impact his alignment?In post 81, Hawk wrote:
Fair enough I suppose.In post 80, doomfeathers wrote:I thought about what somebody (I think it was wgeurts) said about your play being NAI, and it made sense, so I don't have good reason to scumread you anymore. Voting for inactive players to produce more content is common practice. Also, you were already voting for me.
Also I know that why do you think I put the vote again?
Also why Sesq and not Friendly then? What about Sesq's few inactive posts tickles your fancy more than Friendlys?
His post felt unnatural. Speculating about the daytalk mafia. Felt like he was trying to just fill his post, cause he didn't want to just post a vote or something.In post 85, wgeurts wrote:
A few others have done this, thoughts?In post 79, lucca261 wrote:
Already don't like this. It's scummy. Revan just says: hey, look at me, posting facts about this game and contribuiting nothing. other people did this, but his pinged me the wrong way.In post 22, Revan wrote:!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is my first game where mafia has daytalk, so this is going to be interesting.
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How scummy would you say it is on aa scale of 1-10?
Not that scummy. It was the first page, and it's quite difficult to create a serious read from that post. Like a 3 on the scale.
What is your opinion on Friend doing the same?In post 93, mozamis wrote:
This worries me a bit.In post 57, Sesq wrote:Anyway, since I think it's ""officially"" day 1 i'll reconfirm vote on VOTE: doomfeathers
It could be scum using the non day 1 start as an excuse to jump on the doom wagon.
First vote worthy thing I've seen (yes, Hawk, Doom, Wguerts are all town.)
VOTE SESQ
Your first post, calling I think Despair's post scummy was okay. We didn't have a lot to work about, and your post seemed to express that. You knew that we had nothing to work, and was trying to find the tiniest straw that could mean that someone is scum.In post 97, wgeurts wrote:Lucca, in what way am I not doing what you say magna is doing? Big analysis trying to look pro-town?
Instead of Magna doing that, he found the tiniest straw and speculated on it in a way that seemed like: "Hey, I'm certain that this is scum. Look at me analysing this, trying to scumhunt"
I think that now this is more his playstyle than scummy, but it was something interesting to look after, specially on the second pages.
So everyone that posted content is town, and the rest of the posters are scum?In post 98, mozamis wrote:Ok so Magna, Wgeurts, Hawk, Doom prob town.
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Hum. I can see this coming from both alignments, depending on how experienced "Junko" is.In post 104, wgeurts wrote:
This is about as town as one can get pre-game Lucca.In post 17, Ultimate Despair wrote:
Hey, everyone. I'm doomfeathers and I'm here to remind you that as a member of the town, I don't know anything about the way scum operates in this setup and therefore need to ask a question to everyone so you all know how ignorant of the mafia inner mechanisms I am.In post 14, doomfeathers wrote:I'm a little confused about the mechanics. How do the Mafia kill more than two people with no night phase and only two daykills?
Scum ping for the LAMIST.
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I'm critcising you for voting wguerts, and on the same post, fosing Hawk.In post 106, doomfeathers wrote:
I admit my reasoning was bad, but it wasn't intentional. Are you trying to criticize me for hunting more than one scum at once?In post 92, lucca261 wrote:So you're voting Wguerts, then fosing Hawk, both for weird and made-up reasons on the same post. That makes me feel you're trying to throw shit at the wall and see what sticks. Don't like this. I feel that's what newbie scum would do on this situation, without a night kill.
Also @Lucca: My reason was that I thought Hawk was trying to pick an irrelevant argument to clog up the thread. Like I said, it's something I read about in a wiki article.
@Hawk: I don't like to wagon people just because they aren't posting much unless they continue not to post content after receiving one vote. A lynch isn't the intention. Besides, this way we get two birds with two stones.
I think Lucca townleans. His posts don't seem to have scum motivation or give me bad gut feelings.
Please, not that ad.wgeurts wrote:Hawk, call me yoghurt, gogurt, or TheLegend27
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Not saying that it's a good argument, or that he did something scummy or no.In post 118, wgeurts wrote:Lucca my first post on Us was fundementally flawed.
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I was definitely sour. Reading, analysing and making those walls was taking a toll on my will to live.In post 126, Revan wrote:This is going to be a hard time for lurkers, all you pro-activity guys and all.
I've almost established a framework for this game. These interactions are really, really SOUR.
Depends on the setup and the situation. I would say a 5. Why do you ask?In post 128, Revan wrote:@Lucca how much do you value transparency in town on a scale from 1-10?
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Honestly, too tired to post and analyse right now.
Will post by the morning.
By now, the Hawk kill seems random. There was not anything about his kill that would make anyone townier or scummier. I think that maybe we were going on the right track, and so, they killed Hawk to reset the lynches and try to put paranoia on us.-
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Sesq 130
This post is a mixed post for me. I like some of the reads, and it feels like it's genuine scumhunting on your part. The part I don't like is the overly defensive stuff. Like, calling your wagon imbecilic because there are other players who are doing the same that you were doing and were not voted. It doesn't read like a town reaction to votes. It reads like frustrated scum.
Sesq 132
What has Revan done differently than Friend to justify the null-town and null-scum reads? I feel like they are playing very similarly.
Doom 136
The content presented by Friend was very, well, non-content. It was almost two random phrases with no explanation behind them. Do you feel like it was enough to make you unvote him?
UD 142
My problem with Magna first post is that I don't think the content he was analysing was good enough to make this strong reads behind them. Almost like he was making these big analytic posts just to appear town.
UD 146
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Friend 153
So this reads are pretty bad. Funny that you mention null-scum reading lurkers, as you are kinda lurking.
But I don't actually think Friend is scum, and I'm kinda concerned that scum is trying to wagon him, trying to exploit him for his playstyle. Don't like this.
Superhans 152
Waiting on that readslist.
Revan 156
Why are you town reading me? I feel like I know what are you doing, but I kinda feel like you are going to get lynched for it.
UD 154
I feel like, because of the hydra you might don't want to answer this, but is your read on Revan meta-based? I don't know how you get to this conclusion without meta.
Superhans 172
Do you scumread me? I don't like how all your posts are about me, and you are not voting or openly scumreading me. This is scummy.
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The Magna post you are referring to was on the start of page 2. My post was on page 4. There is definitely more things to deeply analyse on page 4 than page 2. This is scummy as well. Taking things out of context to try to put pressure me without even voting.-
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Sesq 206
Was Hawk really in a lot of trouble? I don't think he would be getting lynched today.
UD 210
Why do you think this? With all his explanation only "cleared" one player, me. Doom's content could be easily faked.
UD 211
This post got me thinking.
There is a possibility that experienced scum did a "random" kill on purpose, to implicate the possibility of a newbie scumteam, that would be wrong?
Wgeurts 215
This is a very town post, with detailed explanations of wguerts thought process, and he seems to be townhunting.
This is the only thing that concerns me:
@wgeurts, even with all this detailed reads, it seems that your scumreads are defined by activity. Is this because you prefer to townhunt? I find it slightly concerning.-
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Call me crazy, but reading Mozamis vs UD made me think there is a scum between them.
To me, both seemed really weirdly different than they were on other interaction with different players. Like, both of them were very non-confrontational.
@mozamis, what is your current read on UD?
@UD, what is your current read on Mozamis?
Also, I agree with UD when he says that it's was not a very well thought plan. I think it's simple: "Hey, I'm killing someone random to make people go crazy". It's very concerning that for a while once the kill, all the discussion was about it. Reading page 10, I'm starting to think it's a random not-random kill.
Don't like Sesq again making it like Hawk was some crazy scumread who was getting lynched soon. He was a townlean for the majority of people, who only some players suspected. It's scummy by Sesq, but makes me think that Sesq didn't make the kill.-
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@sesq, what do you mean when you that you would jump off Friend's wagon when he is L-1? If you're on his wagon, you should think that he is scum. If you are waiting to get off the wagon, it's blatantly a scum move. And you are saying it out loud.
Agree with Revan here. Of course analysing the scum kills is good. Focusing only on the kills and starting to forget about other scummy things would be what scum wants. Revan is looking towny enough for me. He's playing a weird strategy, but I think he's trying to look for scum.
Don't like UD trying to put things on Revan's mouth. I don't know why they're saying that the only conclusion to make is that Revan finds either Friend or Sesq town. But, also, there wouldn't be any scum goal to do this.
Honestly, page 11 is a crapshoot.
@mozamis, what is your current read on Revan?
Don't like Sesq vote on Mozamis. It feels like he was trying to find a reason to jump off Friend's wagon, and he just found it. If either flip scum, I would look at the other very closely.
I like Mozamis posting on this page. He's town.
So, Magna candidates are the same guys that everyone is scumreading. There is definitely basis for it, but I was expecting more from Magna's reentrance.
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Hey, UD, could you clarify which head thinks that Revan is scummy? It would be easier to read your posts.
Yeah, Revan is town. He is brutally honest, and is not concerned with others view on him.
Sesq is flailing like crazy here. Would definitely be happy with him being lynched today, as of page 12.-
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@fitz, I had reasons to vote Revan. Now, I think the reasons I had to vote him were playstyle differences. He's town. 300
@sesq, what do you think of Fitz catchup post?
Thank god for that Magna tip.
as for Superhans 301 - 315:
This. is. scum.
He's blatantly misrepping things, lying his ass off, trying to blend in by agreeing with anything and a lot of filler.
How are my posts LAMIST? Can you explain that? By your posting, you seems to think that I made a masterplan in killing Hawk and making people think it was random. You should be voting me. And what would I win by doing that? Hawk was townreading me and I have no pressure.
VOTE: Superhans
Like Magna posting. He's probably town.
Doom is a mixed bag. Sometimes I think he's anxious scum, and some that he is proactive town. Null for me atm.
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@revan 326, why only one? and what is your basis for saying something like this?
327 what does this even mean?
Good vote by Revan. He looks even more town.
nevermind UD clears it up. @UD, what do you see on Revan posts that are scum?
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@UD 351, can you tell me aswell what you are seeing? I don't like your interactions with Sesq.
Mozamis is looking townier and townier. His 358 looks to me like frustrated town.
I don't think Mozamis is bussing Sesq. I could see UD doing it.
362, hey, Sesq, can you explain your read on Superhans?
Look at Superhans posts. This is scum. His push on Revan is weird. And probably he's trying to setup me as tomorrow's lynch.
Yes, Magna is town. He could be scum hiding with highly active posts? Yes. But for now, I'm happier with lynching between {sesq, UD and Super}
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375 OK, Friend, you managed to skate under the radar and is not the lynch for today. Can you contribute?
@doom, who is your day 2 lynch? And why the lining up lynches?
oh, it's sesq. ok.
wait, Sesq, did you really just say you were trying to make people vote Friend just to save yourself? are you trying to get lynched?
the thing that makes me pause about Sesq lynch is that there is zero resistance. I think, at least for the first lynch, scum wouldn't try to bus.
yeah, think that Fitz is town. We disagree about some stuff, but he seems to be trying to look for scum. I don't think that Revan is scum, but his reasons for thinking that are the best so far.
don't like that Superhans is trying to softly stop the Sesq lynch.
397, several players did this. you didn't react to death at all. were you concerned that people would scumread you because of your reaction?
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402, look at this post. How do you know that other people reads are genuine? Why aren't you voting me? Half of your posts are about me.
407, don't you think that Magna could be doing the same thing?
Magna is town.
Sesq posting is really weird. One minute, she seems to be defeated. Then, she defends herself crazily. It's inconsistent. On my opinion, it's flailing frustrated scum.
@sesq, and haven't you said that you never thought that FC was scum, and was only waiting to Friend's wagon to go L-1 to get off of it?
yes, Sesq is scum.
@doom, shouldn't you be voting sesq?
@Magna, what do you think of Superhans? I think that Friend is definitely a option, but I'm more interested on Super or Sesq?
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Oh, I know what you are trying to say. I think it's possible that Sesq and FC are scum buddies and Sesq was actively trying to get lynched to take the pressure off of FC.
I don't know, though, if they would do it. I mean, even if their possible plan works and Sesq was lynched, and revealed as scum. Don't you think FC would just get lynched the next day? I don't think scum would do this. Maybe Sesq and FC would, but I don't know.-
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My problem with UD is that their thought progression doesn't seem to be natural. Maybe it's the Hydra, but I don't think so.In post 460, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
When you have the time can you make an organized case for UD as scum please?In post 456, lucca261 wrote:My quick readslist. Feel free to ask:
TOWN
--- Wgeurts
--- Magna
--- Revan
--- Mozamis
--- Fitz
--- Doom
--- Friend
--- UD
--- Sesq
--- Superhans
SCUM
I can't say that I've twigged to it and I think seeing someone lay out in a single place why they think that would be good for me to read and review.
I didn't like their scumread-townread-scumread on Revan, specially when they go asking around other people about their scumread on Revan, but themselves don't give their opinion. I think it's scummy, and that he's testing the waters.
Their interaction with Sesq is weird as well, and on all of their interactions seems that UD is preparing for an unvote on him.
Also, a lot of his posts are just playstyle/theory arguments, and there is not a lot of content.
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For your other post, I guess it makes more sense now. I can see it happening, and I'll probably end the day voting Friend. The point is, I'll reread this now, but I don't think that Sesq was in enough pressure that only him and Friend would be the only options. I think scum could've easily pushed for a mislynch, on this situation.-
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The "preparing" part means that I get the feel that you actually don't want to lynch Sesq, and is trying desperately to get on other wagons while staying with the Sesq bus option.In post 471, Ultimate Despair wrote:
Well, we've been somewhat transparently open to lynching either FC or Sesq, so in that sense we've certainly been "preparing" for a potential move. I also have literally no idea what you're talking about when you sayIn post 469, lucca261 wrote:My problem with UD is that their thought progression doesn't seem to be natural. Maybe it's the Hydra, but I don't think so.
I didn't like their scumread-townread-scumread on Revan, specially when they go asking around other people about their scumread on Revan, but themselves don't give their opinion. I think it's scummy, and that he's testing the waters.
Their interaction with Sesq is weird as well, and on all of their interactions seems that UD is preparing for an unvote on him.
Also, a lot of his posts are just playstyle/theory arguments, and there is not a lot of content.
. I don't know if you're confusing "reading the game state and known scum actions" with "theory", or if there's some other entirely different point you're trying to make.a lot of his posts are just playstyle/theory arguments, and there is not a lot of content
It's also odd that you're talking about our thought process being unnatural without being able to cite specific examples of why you think that to be the case. Since this seems to be a point you care about, please illustrate and explain it.
One of the stuff I look when hunting for scum is consistency. Scum has to portray a narrative of why they're town. If for some reason people break their narrative, it's a break on the consistency of the player. For an example, if either Wgeurts or Magna posted a very emotional post on a situation that wouldn't require this type of posting, I would re-read that slot more carefully.
I didn't like your interactions with Mozamis or Sesq. You (sorry if I'm getting the pronoum wrong.) seem like you're a very thoughtful player, who's always asking questions and following up on them. That's why your interaction with Mozamis felt so weird to me. You asked things to him, he didn't answer, and you just let go, like you were not interested anymore. I think I explained my problem with your interactions with Sesq up on this post.
Truthfully, my read on you depends more on the Sesq flip. It's too early to do this? Maybe. But if Sesq is scum, I think you're a possible partner for him. If he's town, you are probable null to me, since your interactions with him, my biggest issue with you, become null as well.
The game content stuff is that, for a player with a lot of posts like you, a lot of your posts consists only on day-kill analysis and theory questions. I think a scummy player could use that to escape giving meaninful thoughts. Not your case. I was putting that on the "case" as something to analyse further on other time.-
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I think he's faking it.In post 479, Revan wrote:Am I the only one getting the too scummy to be scum vibe from FC?-
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quick catchup:
- don't think scum would do this whole big theory and put themselves on the map to lynch Friend and Sesq. I mean, it wasn't needed. Friend and Sesq were both easy targets. The lynch and revenge kill make me think Magna is townier, actually. If he went for the whole theory stuff, it would be a very unnatural play.
- thought I would instant vote Superhans on this day, but I actually liked his content on this page. still scum, but now I'm not 100%.
- doom, is your scumread only based on Magna's theory or there is other stuff about his play that you think is scummy?
- fitz post is weird. he just say: "hey, there wasn't any scum on the wagon, let's move on", which would be scummy. but again, I don't think scum would say something like it? I feel like probably there is at least one scum on Friend's wagon. I mean, it's was such an easy wagon to hop in.
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Pretty sure this is scum. Especially after seeing this flips. Initially I thought that a Sesq Town flip would at least put UD on a null spot for me. But looking at the last page, I have the feel that UD knew that both Friend and Sesq would flip town. I mean, they were clearly preparing and leaving their options open to be able to vote anyone on D2, even if they "thought" that Sesq and Friend were scum. Look at this, on the last page alone:
They say that Mozamis is a scumlean for him. They say that Superhans is scummy. He votes for Friend. They says that anyone distracting people from the Sesq wagon is scummy. I believe they think that Revan is scummy too.
That alone are five scumreads. Potentially more when they are talking about the wagon.
This, together with the fact that UD haven't responded to my case on them, especially when they are such an active player, makes me think that UD is scum.-
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Have to respond to this:Why do you think it's scum-indicative to have a bunch of scumreads?
What part of your case in particular did you think we weren't responding to? I don't think we'd responded to 476 but had responded to earlier items. wrt 476 in partiuclar, I'm a bit surprised that you had at that point stated that associations made us scum if sesq was scum (due to us "wanting off the wagon"), but now that sesq flipped town, we're still scum for... reasons? Like you now say you felt like we knew that FC/Sesq were both flipping town, but don't support that beyond "UD has a bunch of scumreads", which is pretty much a non sequitur to the theory that somehow we knew FC/Sesq were flipping town.
I guess I'd like a clearer theory from you about what exactly your'e seeing from us that makes us scummy at this point, because I'm having trouble following your thought process.
Depends on the situation. Having 5 scumreads alone wouldn't be suspicious. Having 5 scumreads before hammering a town player is leaving your options open for the next day.
I did a post explaining my continued scumread on you. Disregarding them for "reasons" is scummy.
I explained it on 476 and on my vote post. I thought you guys were a possible partner for Sesq. Reading the catchup/hammer posts, I started to think you were scummy regardless of the flip. Your attitudde disregarding my posts only make it stronger.-
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528: @mozamis, can you explain your vote-unvote of Fitz? Here you say that Fitz ISO is quite strong, but regardless of it you were voting for him. And your read of UD from possible scum for null-town is based only on the "not-blending in" post? I don't like this reads. This is going for the weak players.
534: From this post, starting to think that Revan/Superhans theory is possible. On D1 I townread Revan, but his attitude can be faked. And I don't like Superhans saying: "Hey, don't vote me, vote Revan". I still think it's unlikely, but Revan/Hans is possible.
537: Not sure I buy this. Did you really think that scum would vote Magna right away? What is your read on magna, @doom?
544: Yeah, Magna is town. This is a well-thought post who shows good effort and a willingness on changing reads, which I'm not sure would do. I can safely say I'm not voting Magna this game.
548: Do you have some thoughts to share with us about Hawk, @Fitz? also, can you do a readslist? who do you want lynched today? is it Mozamis? Hans? Revan? I don't think I know where your head is, and that is concerning for me.
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550: so you are saying you townread Doom for stuff that happened before post 100? do your reads do not evolve, like, at all?
556: why would scum risk a quick lynch? if both Revan/Hans are town, scum is on a pretty good position to win. Why risk all that for a quick lynch on a player who is probably getting lynched anyway? if anything, you are trying a quick lynch. hmm.
557: can you explain the breadcrumb? I don't get it. I don't get why you had the need to breadcrumb also. The only reason for you to breadcrumb this is if you are concerned about how people view you.
568: what?
573: this post is good. Fitz is probably town. he is analysing stuff and trying progress his reads. I just need the readlist first.-
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Magna is not scum. He wouldn't play like he's playing if he is scum. If he is, props to him, cause there is no way he's getting lynched.In post 597, mozamis wrote:Ot
Oh i feel for you! I gave up caffeine for 3 years, it was weird shit near the beginning!In post 579, Superhans wrote:Sorry if I'm coming across as a bit of a cunt, I'm coming off of a caffeine addiction so kinda overly emotional.
Got to say going back on it was gthe biggest buzz ever lol
And thanks for the ATe
Other peoples thoughts on Hans?
And Magna i Guess. It's hard not to OMGUS. I'm hoping he is misguided, "super lawyer" town. Think he probably still is.
If he is scum, we are in trouble.
I still think that Hans is scum. But his posting on D2 has been stronger. This, together with the Sesq and Friend flips that made me question my scumreads, makes me want to go with my gut today. And my gut says UD.
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My quick readlist, now caught up:
TOWN
--- Magna
--- Wgeurts
--- Fitz
--- Revan
--- Doom
--- Superhans/Mozamis
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@mozamis, 614: look at this. what's with the defeatist attitude? you have, like, one vote. are you doing this because sesq did it and he was town? is it on purpose?
@doom, 616: yeah, I like this post. he explains his thoughts clearly and clears every possible doubt on the breadcrumb. doom is solid town.
@hans, 622: don't like hans tone here. feels uncharacteristically (the biggest word I ever wrote on mafiascum) aggressive.
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@fitz, 628: waiting at that readlist I asked you about.
answering to UD on another post.
@hans, 637: wait. if you're town you should support your case regardless of what it is. you shouldn't be concerned about making your reads OMGUS. you only do that if you are scum.
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@UD, 661: That's not what I was saying at all. Each post you do trying to discredit me makes me think you're more scum. That reminds me that I forget to answer you. Preparing the post.
@Magna, 663: but I'm voting UD, like, since the start of the day? I want him lynched today. Look at his posts. Also, can you explain to me your superhans townread?
@Superhans, 672: I think that if you were scum together with Mozamis, you two wouldn't go so hard after each other. Is bussing is this time possible? yes. but the interactions between seemed to be TvS.
@Superhans, 673: "Also I don't like her push on me but don't want to make my read OMGUS so won't elaborate." that's your quote. why wouldn't you want to make your read OMGUS? elaborate.
@doom, 674: yeah, doom is town. his posts have a natural progression between them and his reads seems to evolve naturally.
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@doom, 675: another really good post by doom. made me rethink Superhans/Revan. I'm warming up to it.
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Yes. it's true. you disregarded my case several times. you even say this yourself:In post 632, Ultimate Despair wrote:
Your stated reasons were:In post 595, lucca261 wrote:...
Depends on the situation. Having 5 scumreads alone wouldn't be suspicious. Having 5 scumreads before hammering a town player is leaving your options open for the next day.
I did a post explaining my continued scumread on you. Disregarding them for "reasons" is scummy.
I explained it on 476 and on my vote post. I thought you guys were a possible partner for Sesq. Reading the catchup/hammer posts, I started to think you were scummy regardless of the flip. Your attitudde disregarding my posts only make it stronger.
- we'd disregarded your case (which wasn't really true)
- we had a bunch of scum reads (which wasn't really indicative)
So if that was the extent of your case, it was objectively poor, and if there was more to it you hadn't been particularly clear about why. So yes, being dismissive of your case seemed pretty reasonably appropriate
You'd also raised the point about us ignoring mozami's responses in 476, which seems odd given how much we've talked to/about mozami. What in particular did you think we'd missed or dismissed?
Like, overall I look at your push on us and it seems more like a read in search of reasons (especially given the strange continuation of the read when originally it was to some degree dependent on Sesq being scum) than a read that has meaningful substance behind it, and I'd like to see you put in the time to actually substantiate and demonstrate what you claim to be seeing if this is something you really feel strongly about.
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So here we have you lying to defend yourself.So yes, being dismissive of your case seemed pretty reasonably appropriate.
I never said I scumread you for having a bunch of scumreads. I say I scumread you for having a lot of scumreads before hammering while keeping options open for the next day. Like you knew Friend would flip town.
On your sentence here we have you again misrepping my words to defend yourself.
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On the part about Mozamis, I'm talking about what happened on page 10. You ask Mozamis a bunch of questions WHILE VOTING HIM, and then, when Mozamis don't answer/slides out of the question, you just move on. I found this extremely inconsistent with your other posts.
If you think my push on you is a read on search of reasons, shouldn't you be voting me?
I've been clear that while the scumread was originally dependent on Sesq being scum, it wasn't all of it. I had other concerns with your play. I explained it in several posts.
I had four scumreads on D1. Sesq, you, Superhans and Friend. When two of them die and are proven town, you have to rethink your reads. Looking at your play again, it was scummy if Sesq was town or not.
And your attitude towards my read on you is strange too. It's inconsistent with your earlier posts. It's generally aggressive, and by your posts, you seem to scumread me. But you didn't vote. And it's not like you are voting anybody.-
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1) Read that again. When I say you disregard my case, I say you dismiss it. You paid no attention to it, instead, trying to say that "I was looking for reasons" or "Having a bunch of scumreads is not scummy" when it's clear my case is not based on it.In post 689, Ultimate Despair wrote:@lucca:
1)
disregard: pay no attention to; ignore
(we didn't do this, and I think that's fairly obvious)
dismiss: treat as unworthy of serious consideration.
(I admittedly did this)
Saying that I didn't disregard your case (which I didn't), while also saying that I dismissed your case (which I did) is not a contradiction, much less an actual lie.
2) The substance was that we had a bunch of scumreads. The narrative was that somehow having a bunch of scumreads equated to keeping our options open. The actual fact being discussed was the number of scumreads we had, i.e. that was the actual basis of your suspicion (if there was more to the "you're keeping your options open" bit then you've done a terrible job communicating it). You constructed a scum narrative for our behavior while seemingly choosing to not critically engage with the possibility that having a bunch of scum reads was an honest town process.
The factual basis of your point there, though, was in fact the number of scum reads. Which simply isn't indicative. Slapping scum narrative onto a non-indicative incident does not magically turn it into scummy behavior, regardless of whether or not you think it does. So my saying that you have scum read us in substantial part due to behavior that is not indicative is a completely valid point.
3) If I think your push on us is a push in search of reasons, the question is whether you actually believe it or not. It is entirely possible that you are simply being bad. I don't especially feel like voting someone just for being bad without having a meaningful basis for believing that it's scummy instead of just poor reasoning.
4) The explanation for why I "moved on" from the page 10 stuff should be fairly obvious. Look at 243 and subsequent posts. We moved on to a different topic of conversation, reacting to an action that we knew came from scum.
What exactly were you expecting here? I had good reason to be focused more on FC/Sesq, discussed my reasoning, and I don't recall you or anyone else being upset by the focus on those two back when they were still alive.
I'm also curious why you feel like our treatment of Mozami was different than, say, our treatment of Revan, who I spent some time questioning on page 11 and also "moved on" from. Like, who here that we've interacted with substantially have we treated in a way that is substantially different from how we've treated mozami in a way that stands out? Preferably with quotes/links to demonstrate what you're claiming to see.
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2) The substance is that you had a bunch of scumreads. The narrative is that this, a non-scummy thing, combined with the game situation at the moment and a prior suspicion I had on your slot made me read your "bunch of scumreads" as scummy. Your point about scum narratives is crazy. I'm don't know who scum is. I don't know what is happening on the game. When I see a scummy thing, I try to make a narrative on my mind: "Why scum would do this?". This is the point of the game. You doing all these rambling todismissmy point is not confusing me. Try harder.
3) This is what I'm saying. Instead of thinking why I thought what you did was scummy, you prefer to hyperdefense yourself and use AtE.
4) You weren't voting Revan. You were voting Mozamis. And then you ask a bunch of questions to him. His answers are either non-existent or inconclusive. What does UD do? Just move on. This is what I think it was scummy. He was being strange too around your spot. I thought it was TvS. I'm not talking about how you moved to Sesq or Friend. I'm talking about how you did not seem concerned in Mozamis answers. You know, the player you were voting at the time.-
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@magna, 712: I have given other scumreads other than UD. Mozamis and Superhans remain both a scumread of me and I'm willing to lynch them both today, in case we can't get a lynch on UD. I think one of them is a partner of UD. Both make sense, as Superhans and UD haven't made a lot of contact over the game and the Mozamis-UD crossvote seemed out of the blue and suspicious for me. But I don't think that a UD/Mozamis/Hans team is possible. The last scum would be inbetween Fitz/Revan/Wgeurts, with their likeability changing from who the second scum is. Of course, this is considering UD is scum. No matter how sure I am that UD is scum, there is always the possibility that I'm wrong. In that case, I would need to re-evaluate these reads.
@super, 715: as for super latest posts, I'm thinking that Mozamis is scummier than him, these days. I would lynch Mozamis before him. these posts made me feel like Super is a town member who was not taking the game seriously at the start, but now he's trying to participate, to scumhunt, even if his methods are a bit spotty.
@mozamis, 716: fuck yeah. even if is a bus, one more person on the wagon is good.
@super, 723: so you're unvoting Mozamis, then calling him scum at the end of the post? I don't get it. and call me paranoid, but both Hans and Mozamis joining UD wagon make me feel extremely unconfortable.
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@super, 725: what is your read on wgeurts at the moment, hans?
@mozamis, 730: I weirdly like this outburst.
@lucca, 734: yeah, totally.
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@fitz, 737: holy shit.
this post is big, let's go:
first, let's answer to your questions directioned at me:
I was asking you about Hawk because your post seemed to imply that you were thinking that somebody else had benefitted from Hawk dying, but wouldn't tell who. That reminds me, I had completely forgotten that. Did you, Fitz?
@lucca...I lean town on MOI as well...but how can you definitively anoint him town without some shred of doubt? Is MOI a crap scum player who posts completely differently than he does when he is town? tl:dr; confidence is suspect.
of course I have doubts about Magna. the thing is, one of the biggest factors I try to scumhunt with is consistency. things like a player subtitly changing his reads when it benefits him, having leaps of thought with seemingly no explanation behind it, things like that. and my point about magna is that he is creepily consistent. his posts all seem to follow the same thought process, to try to find scum. he pushes everybody, at anytime, without taking things out of context. I would find extremely hard for a scum player to have such a consistent game with the length of Magna content.
but I have some paranoia about him. an experienced player like Magna could look so townie and so proactive while being scum? maybe, but his content is extremely town, and I'm willing to lynch my actual scumreads now. he is solidly town to me. the not getting lynched commentary is because, if Magna is scum, I think it would be extremely hard for someone to lynch him. he is an almost universal townread.
@lucca...If you can't see Hans and moz being scum together then would you vote Doom today? He's 3rd from the bottom of your reads list.
@lucca...WTF? "yeah Doom is town?" smh head. He could be....but how do you know that so confidently? Though in hindsight....675 was a pretty good post. Leaning Doom town seems fair. But no locks please.
my thing about doom is this: I never really had more of a null read on him. he is a strange player to read. his posts look so proactive, so helpful and he seems to be looking for scum. but some content looks faked. I don't like how seemed to line up lynches. and a lot of his proactive content, like commentating on the daykill time, is NAI.
so, almost for all game, he was a line on my readlists. up above doom, this player is null at least. under doom, this player is scum. until he had that weird vote on Magna, with the breadcrumb. this was scummy for me. I didn't buy his explanation that he was trying to get scum. so I moved him down a bit. when he answered my concerns and other players began to do more scummy things, my concerns with Doom were getting smaller, for a point that reading his posts now, I genuinely feel that he's trying to hunt for scum. so now he's my second most sure townread. even at this time, the middle of the breadcrumb stuff, I wouldn't vote him.
some posts of him that I liked are 615, 675 and 676
Annnd Hans unvotes moz. Does a Hans moz combo work?
that wasn't a question for me, but I'll answer nonetheless.
at the start of the day, with the length they were going to lynch each other, I thought that for sure they weren't scum together. but lately, with the strange unvote and sudden townread that both developed about themselves, I'm starting to get paranoid about this. as a song here in Brazil states, I'm 99% thinking that they aren't scum together, but that 1% is vagabundo. (rowdy)
what do you think about this?
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about the post in general, I confortable now putting fitz at my townpile, at least for now. his post is incredibly consistent, he brings the points that I thought a player reading this pages would bring, and regardless if I agree or disagree with his reads, I think that they are solid, and show that he's trying to process stuff.-
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@doom, 743: but that is not a rule. I've seen games (yeah, I watch games sometimes) where scum assumed the role of a townleader quite easily. I think there was a game that Thor do this very well on a newbie game I was watching. but I like that thought process coming from you.
@superhans, 746: like this from Hans too. this, combined with the sudden vote-unvote situation, make me think that he's just trigger happy with his votes. quite honestly, I like his reasoning on Revan. from his position, I think I would scumread Revan, too.
@revan, 749: please do. paranoia is starting to get me here.
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@mozamis, 750: and Mozamis already unvotes UD. interesting.
@revan, 752: talk to me. what is your scumread on UD based on?-
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@revan, 764: try to post your thoughts more often, even if you are scum. laying low and keeping your conclusions on your head are a recipe for disaster. or caught scum.
@magna, 766: I think you are overreacting. your point about Revan not being mislynched was good, and it's natural that people would agree. reading again, their votes seem kinda of sheepy, but I think that is an acceptable kind of sheep.
@revan, 767: try to resume for me why you think UD is scum.
not sure I like Hans insane push on Revan, though. he seemed to had forgotten him, and now that Revan has more pressure, he jumped on. but I liked the initial vote, and could it be a playstyle thing?
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@super, 782: why do you think this? I know that UD has reached this conclusion, but I want to hear it from you.
this page is all full of super vs revan with some magna posts in the middle. I actually find Revan posts on this page townier. he seem frustrated town.
starting to think that Mozamis and Superhans can actually be scum together, due to Magna points and this thing:
@super, 784: hey. you think that revan is scum. you think that mozamis is scum. but not together. so why aren't you worried about being on a wagon together with Mozamis?
@fitz, 791: agree about wgeurts. he was town for D1, but I'm concerned about how he skated D2 without ever stating a read/opinion other than the Doom townread. not saying that he is scum for it, because all people have time issues, but I'm angry that he just passed a day. losing to scum!wgeurts would get me angry.
@revan, 797: this seem awful. why weren't you pushing fitz if he is your third biggest scumread? instead, you are pushing UD since a long time, but he's your fourth? something does not add up-
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why? and shouldn't you be voting fitz?
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he stated that he gets mislynched a lot, both here and on his local forum.In post 808, mozamis wrote:
why do you want him to post his thoughts more if he is scum?In post 803, lucca261 wrote:try to post your thoughts more often, even if you are scum.
then asked what he would need to do to stop being mislynched.
I responded that a good way to not get lynched, even if he's scum, is to post more thoughts on the game, because that seem to be an issue with his play.
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if I would coach him, why I would do this here and not on the mafia thread. there is daytalk.In post 810, mozamis wrote:@ magna and doom: if i get back on UD, will you guys join me?
My worry is that rev is lynch bait. Obviously, I'll get back on rev if we need a lycnh, but i'm surer of ud than i am rev.
I'm woried about Lucca. His last big post had very little substance in it. Where were the reads?
scum UD, Lucca, Rev?Fitz?
Had a glance over Hans early ISo and he's town. Guy could barely stop giving out reads.
@p.edit : it seemed a bit like coaching.
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I actually agree that my last big post was not that good. I actually wasn't able to develop a lot of reads from these pages. the whole pages seemed to be: superhans wants revan lynched, revan being discontent with his play.In post 811, mozamis wrote:@ ah ok i didnt see the post you were replying too, my bad.
your last big post was still weak though.
other than revan's reads being very strange I did not see anything that scummy on these pages.