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I read it and felt you played well.In post 46, -Grey- wrote:Why do you say that?
I understand Hawk, but you weren't in that game, so...?-
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Last night.In post 49, -Grey- wrote:
When did you read it?In post 48, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
I read it and felt you played well.In post 46, -Grey- wrote:Why do you say that?
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I do. I enjoy mafia and I feel reading old and recently completed games will help me get better. I selected the game with Grey that Hawk was alluding to for a few reasons. One is ongoing, another is because I've never seen him play scum before, and lastly, he makes me laugh.In post 61, havingfitz wrote:I was going to comment on Grey's questioning towards LUV with the point that just because LUV said "scum!Grey is a slick one" doesn't mean he was referring to a specific game. I've been in games where Grey was scum and therefore could say the same thing. I know LUV has game experience where Grey is scum so he is not out of line by making that comment.
But then LUV had to go and say he was in fact referring to a specific game...that he wasn't in...that he just happened to read last night.
Speaking from my pov....I enter as many games as I can reasonbly handle. Something my game-mates would probably say is inaccurate
I do know that I do not have time to leisurely go about reading other games. At most a little meta investigating but certainly not reading games in full. And Hawk didn't mention which game he was even referring to. Just that he was in one with Grey where Grey was scum.
So LUV....do you read a lot of games that you aren't in?
How often would you say you do that?
And what made you select the game with Grey that Hawk is alluding to?
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I didn't like the reasoning for Ali's vote on Grey at all but I wouldn't be surprised if Grey was voted for his reaction to how I described his scum game. I'm not really interested in that right now though. The seed has been planted and I will simply watch it grow for now.
Mozamis tends to town hunt like I do but I think he may be a bit to generous with town reads than the average person based on the experience I have with him.
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Could you point to which posts give you those feelings about King and Hawk?In post 89, FancyPants wrote:OK well not much to go on thus far. Let's take a stab then.
Alisae, Havingfitz, Empking, Grey, Hawk all seem to have some vague interest in figuring out this game at least.
ConManMick and boring haven't done much. LUV I'm not sure about.
Mozamis making some really early town reads, makes me suspect heknowswho town are. Surety is scummy.
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Was this in response to 128?In post 129, FancyPants wrote:I'm not saying Alisae is scum, I just disagree with the reasoning, the "one of them is scum" is actually a dangerous thought because if the interaction is a TvT then scum have an excuse to lynch to concurrent townies, but I'm not convinced it doesn't come from paranoid townies just as often.-
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Uh missed this.In post 148, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Hey Uzi,
You look town froma quick skim through.
Tell me who is scum?
Honestly have no idea. A few people look town though so that should help me give you an answer when I do a reread tomorrow.-
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VOTE: King
I got really lucky that gameIn post 164, boring wrote:@LUV, the last time I played with you, your reads won the game for us. I'm interested in your ongoing opinion of the gamestate. (by the way, I know you're V/LA now, but you have a habit of "forgetting" you're in games. Please don't forget about us.)
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In post 190, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
Talk about your reads on Grey and fitz please? I'm super surprised that out of those 3 people you chose to vote for Moz. Why does scum!Moz go against the thread and start defending Alisae based on nothing?In post 154, Antihuman wrote:So many interesting players, this is gonna be exciting.
After an initial readup I got many townreads but some of them are slight.
Strong townreads are fitz and boring.
Townleans on Grey and Alisae.
Mixed feelings about mozamis, LUV and FP, will need more time to sort them out.
VOTE: mozamis
Very little substance in his posting, looks like coasting scum
OK, this game feels really weird and I agree with FP that I think scum are laying low.
There are so many people not scum hunting/contributing to the game that it's very difficult to form town reads.
VOTE: Grey
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Why Grey here? It feels like you should voting for Fancy or Fitz right now.In post 260, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:In post 190, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
Talk about your reads on Grey and fitz please? I'm super surprised that out of those 3 people you chose to vote for Moz. Why does scum!Moz go against the thread and start defending Alisae based on nothing?In post 154, Antihuman wrote:So many interesting players, this is gonna be exciting.
After an initial readup I got many townreads but some of them are slight.
Strong townreads are fitz and boring.
Townleans on Grey and Alisae.
Mixed feelings about mozamis, LUV and FP, will need more time to sort them out.
VOTE: mozamis
Very little substance in his posting, looks like coasting scum
OK, this game feels really weird and I agree with FP that I think scum are laying low.
There are so many people not scum hunting/contributing to the game that it's very difficult to form town reads.
VOTE: Grey
This game needs a serious wagon.
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Why didn't you ask the people you FoS'd questions?In post 200, Empking wrote:
That's no excuse. Throwing away pressure is only pro-scum.In post 158, Alisae wrote:
Why?In [url=/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8716281#p8716281]post 156[/url], Empking wrote:In post 142, tojam2 wrote:NV (5) - BlueBloodedToffee, Alisae, Antihuman, SnarkySnowman, Lil Uzi VertFOS: Everyone n this list
I unvoted so that I could reread and re-evaluate the game.
Why Al over LUV? Gut or arbitrariness, it could have gone either way but I leant a little to Al. I didn't even notice the wagon, as hard as that is to believe, as the huge numbers of not voters stood out to me and I immediately reacted.
I usually prefer joining wagons - all else be equal - but my priority with two weeks to go is my biggest scum read.
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You seem to know Ali well so I'm surprised about your reaction to him voting for you. I think it's fair to say he overvalues meta a bit and you shouldn't really read into him using the method as a base for a scum read no?In post 225, -Grey- wrote:Vote Alisae or I dare you to defend him.
Shade throwing and the hop on the Ali wagon.In post 228, mozamis wrote:Uzi, why the King vote?-
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I don't but I did that time. The entire disagreement is over meta and since you claim to know Ali so well, you would know he tends to rely on it more than most so why immediately jump on him trying to misrepresent it in order to justify a vote and push a lynch? We can all fact check your meta on MS if we wanted too, so it really makes no sense for him to lie about how he's views your scum and town game based on the majority of the games he's played with you.In post 267, -Grey- wrote:
You don't pay very close attention, do you?In post 263, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:You seem to know Ali well so I'm surprised about your reaction to him voting for you. I think it's fair to say he overvalues meta a bit and you shouldn't really read into him using the method as a base for a scum read no?
He didn'tusemeta, he completelymisrepresentedit.-
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Just for those reasons. It's a better wagon than what we had before.In post 289, boring wrote:
Sure, Empking hasn't done anything to leave the bottom half of my nebulous read cloud yet.In post 286, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Join me on King.
VOTE: Empking
Why are we voting him in particular? I saw you mention the jump on Alisae and shade-throwing. It's kind of meh. I suppose those are things that happened, but surely, other people have been scummy too. Who's your second highest read?
Anti is my second. A lot of his questions feel like busy work and I don't like how he got his TR on Ali.-
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Check his 186 and 188.In post 309, -Grey- wrote:
Why would he be voting for Fancy when he was agreeing with them in the post you quoted?In post 261, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Why Grey here? It feels like you should voting for Fancy or Fitz right now.-
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And? He just likes to townhunt and there is nothing wrong with that. People just get paranoid because of the confindence in his reads.In post 319, -Grey- wrote:
Why? Everything he's posted until his ConManMick vote was just reasons to townread people.In post 316, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Moz's vote on CMM was bad but that's the only thing really. I've liked everything else I've seen from him.
Then a naked vote out of nowhere?
Nah. Not buying it.
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I found your vote on Ali the most suspicious. You FoS'd everyone not voting and didn't apply any pressure there. That's shade.In post 329, Empking wrote:
What is wrong with my 'jump on Ali'? And what's 'shade'? As in the Ru Paul sense?In post 296, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Just for those reasons. It's a better wagon than what we had before.In post 289, boring wrote:
Sure, Empking hasn't done anything to leave the bottom half of my nebulous read cloud yet.In post 286, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Join me on King.
VOTE: Empking
Why are we voting him in particular? I saw you mention the jump on Alisae and shade-throwing. It's kind of meh. I suppose those are things that happened, but surely, other people have been scummy too. Who's your second highest read?
Anti is my second. A lot of his questions feel like busy work and I don't like how he got his TR on Ali.-
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You agreed with meIn post 339, Alisae wrote:Yes it is.-
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I know what you're hinting at and if so, you're wrong. I would've mentioned her by now.In post 344, Alisae wrote:Do you really want me to say it?-
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It is, you just aren't satisfied. Naked voting without a follow up isn't pressure. You aren't doing anything to get people to see why we should join you on Ali and you aren't engaging with him in order to see if your read gets stronger or goes away. You can also focus on more than one person at a time.In post 345, Empking wrote:
That's not an explanation. That's repeating yourself.In post 332, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
I found your vote on Ali the most suspicious.In post 329, Empking wrote:
What is wrong with my 'jump on Ali'? And what's 'shade'? As in the Ru Paul sense?In post 296, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Just for those reasons. It's a better wagon than what we had before.In post 289, boring wrote:
Sure, Empking hasn't done anything to leave the bottom half of my nebulous read cloud yet.In post 286, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Join me on King.
VOTE: Empking
Why are we voting him in particular? I saw you mention the jump on Alisae and shade-throwing. It's kind of meh. I suppose those are things that happened, but surely, other people have been scummy too. Who's your second highest read?
Anti is my second. A lot of his questions feel like busy work and I don't like how he got his TR on Ali.
Ali was one of the people not voting. I voted for Ali. That's applying pressure there.You FoS'd everyone not voting and didn't apply any pressure there. That's shade.
You have your vote parked, you aren't making anything happen despite having plenty of time to do so, and have resorted to arguing semantics. You're scum.-
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Just say itIn post 351, Alisae wrote:
Do you want me to say it, yes or no?In post 349, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
I know what you're hinting at and if so, you're wrong. I would've mentioned her by now.In post 344, Alisae wrote:Do you really want me to say it?-
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Yeah no.In post 354, Alisae wrote:
Okay.In post 352, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Just say itIn post 351, Alisae wrote:
Do you want me to say it, yes or no?In post 349, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
I know what you're hinting at and if so, you're wrong. I would've mentioned her by now.In post 344, Alisae wrote:Do you really want me to say it?
You, BBT, and boring are masons.
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King, I didn't say you were suspicious, I said your vote for Ali was. I found it suspicious because you had FoS'd everyone who wasn't voting before you casted your vote without giving them a reason to engage with you or the game itself. It looked like you did a quick skim of those same people and picked Ali because you thought he was low-hanging fruit and you wouldn't get too much flak for jumping on his wagon. You even tried to justify it by siting your meta when no one had asked you why you were joining his wagon.
200 is the only time you've interacted with Ali. That's not a lot.
You're arguing semantics by arguing the definition of explanation with me. I gave you one, you insist I didn't when everyone can clearly see I did. You just didn't like it and that's fine. Doesn't change the fact that you're scum.-
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- Right here, you tried. No one asked you why you were voting for him, you were asked why you FoS'd everyone who wasn't voting.In post 200, Empking wrote:
That's no excuse. Throwing away pressure is only pro-scum.In post 158, Alisae wrote:
Why?In [url=/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8716281#p8716281]post 156[/url], Empking wrote:In post 142, tojam2 wrote:NV (5) - BlueBloodedToffee, Alisae, Antihuman, SnarkySnowman, Lil Uzi VertFOS: Everyone n this list
I unvoted so that I could reread and re-evaluate the game.
Why Al over LUV? Gut or arbitrariness, it could have gone either way but I leant a little to Al. I didn't even notice the wagon, as hard as that is to believe, as the huge numbers of not voters stood out to me and I immediately reacted.
I usually prefer joining wagons - all else be equal - but my priority with two weeks to go is my biggest scum read.
- Now you're voting Ali for mason hunting? Bullshit, he wasn't accused of that earlier.
- That's not even the original question you asked. You asked what was wrong with your jump on Ali and I said it was suspicious. I didn't state anything wrong with your jump beforehand so I never even repeated myself. Regardless, it's me explaining why I voted you for your jump on Ali. Your dislike of it doesn't mean it isn't valid.-
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Well first off, boring's vote on King wasn't naked. Second, while she didn't follow up with questions for him, she did try to understand all of my points and even asked for an alternative which I assume was incase she wasn't satisfied with my answer. Her vote for him may not scream town but it sure doesn't feel scummy to me.
I missed a few of your questions toward him and for that I apologize.-
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Null. I think he has good intentions with his questions but his call for a Fitz lynch doesn't sit well with me.In post 382, boring wrote:What are people thinking about BlueBloodedToffee?
I'm not in a rush. I just hate long days, especially when I strongly feel like I've caught scum.In post 391, mozamis wrote:
No. I am sick of these rushed lynches, they ALWAYS end up in a mislynch. Why are you in such a rush anyway?In post 362, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Can we just lynch King already?
Maybe his vote on Ali was opportunistic. But I want to hear more from him before we just quick lynch him.-
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I'm 95% sure.In post 402, mozamis wrote:
You seem really definite about this. How confident are you? I can see him being a bit suspect maybe. But you seemed to have gone onto overdrive on him.In post 361, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Doesn't change the fact that you're scum.
You're not old boringIn post 420, boring wrote:It's just the way I speak when I'm being a touch condescending, I suppose. Like "are we feeling well?" and "we're going to need you to sit down, now, sweetie." I think it's pretty normal for old ladies like me.-
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Stop. Just stop the bullshit man.In post 422, Empking wrote:In post 165, Antihuman wrote:He's just said he'll post some insight tomorrow though.
Is the basis for your vote her not voting?
If so, why did you choose her and not LUV?
If not, what are the other reasons?
Do you usually prefer to join existing wagons or create them?In post 367, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
- Right here, you tried. No one asked you why you were voting for him, you were asked why you FoS'd everyone who wasn't voting.In post 200, Empking wrote:
That's no excuse. Throwing away pressure is only pro-scum.In post 158, Alisae wrote:
Why?In [url=/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8716281#p8716281]post 156[/url], Empking wrote:In post 142, tojam2 wrote:NV (5) - BlueBloodedToffee, Alisae, Antihuman, SnarkySnowman, Lil Uzi VertFOS: Everyone n this list
I unvoted so that I could reread and re-evaluate the game.
Why Al over LUV? Gut or arbitrariness, it could have gone either way but I leant a little to Al. I didn't even notice the wagon, as hard as that is to believe, as the huge numbers of not voters stood out to me and I immediately reacted.
I usually prefer joining wagons - all else be equal - but my priority with two weeks to go is my biggest scum read.
This is another lie. I have never said that my vote was put on Ali for mason-hunting. You've just quoted my explanation for her obver LUV. owever, with your constant lying, then you're still getting beaten by Ali for Mason-hunting.- Now you're voting Ali for mason hunting? Bullshit, he wasn't accused of that earlier.
This is arguing semantics. "You didn't say scummy, you said wrong-with"!- That's not even the original question you asked. You asked what was wrong with your jump on Ali and I said it was suspicious. I didn't state anything wrong with your jump beforehand so I never even repeated myself. Regardless, it's me explaining why I voted you for your jump on Ali. Your dislike of it doesn't mean it isn't valid.
In your 366 you said:
This implies that you're now voting Ali because you think he's mason hunting and that if you thought I were, you would've moved your vote to me.If you were Mason-hunting, I'd have moved my vote to you, by now.
I don't even understand what you're saying in your last point. My point still stands though. I gave you an explanation, just because you don't find it satisfactory doesn't mean it isn't one or not valid.-
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No one is trying to bait you. I gave a reason and/or justification for what I found wrong about your vote. Instead of saying you don't like it or asking me to phrase it better, you continue to argue the meaning of the word.In post 429, Empking wrote:
My vote is still on ali partly because of Mason-hunting.In post 426, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:This implies that you're now voting Ali because you think he's mason hunting and that if you thought I were, you would've moved your vote to me.
However, your post was clearly implying that I was claiming that my vote was put on her for mason-hunting. Which iwould've have been true. But was not what I was claiming.
"What's wrong with my post" "It was suspicious" is not an explanation. Its a theasaurus. I assume your denials of this basic facts are trying to bait me. But I'm not sure why you'd go with something so banal.-
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You'd be surprised how hard it is to effectively read and analyze 5+ pages in less than 10 minutes.In post 441, Alisae wrote:Also boring the "Copy someone's reads down" isn't bullshit. Scum could just copy down someone's reads to look like they are contributing. It's no effort. Not to mention it allows scum to sway the person who wants to quickly copy down the reads to think that x people are town when really they aren't. Plus it was like, 7 pages in. Anyone should have been able to read 7 pages in 7 minutes and develop reads.-
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In post 444, Alisae wrote:to show no interest in gamesolving.
Scum would never want to show no interest.
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Busy bringing people winter joyIn post 463, SnarkySnowman wrote:@LUV ali's right, that's shit reasoning. And Ali reads town on the callout
Also calling me lurker/no content is incorrect, I've identified reads n shit. I'm just a busy snowman.-
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