Open 670: Near Vanilla (Over)

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Join the wagon? OK!

VOTE: Hellfire

Kill it with fire!

[BlueBloodedToffee]

No vote Hawk?

Come join...

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You're no fun.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

We should lynch Hellfire.

Replacing out there is a scum claim.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Why hasn't the wagon on Nebula grown?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Because I think it's a fantastic wagon regardless of Hellfire's replace out. That was just an added bonus.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Any starting wagon is fantastic. It just happens to be you this game.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Information.

Why are you trying to look busy?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I have been forthcoming with what I am doing.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Music Box

[BlueBloodedToffee]

So many small wagons achieving nothing.

VOTE: Sesq

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Nah, I wanna lynch you.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

And now that Hellfire's ban has been retroactively reversed I'm not moving my vote as that replace-out is scummy.

I am not sure how this makes sense if the replace-out was not voluntary.

This post sets off a red flag for me - I don't understand why Nebula felt the need to address this point. It's almost like scum caught for the wrong reasons.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

To put the above post into context, I'm rereading the game.

It's not a reply to Hawk's post above it.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm waiting for scum to post, any minute now.

Toto, can you be very explicit with what this post means please?

I think you are town.

Why are you town reading Sesq here?

Toto's sheep play is sort of alarming to me. I don't see why MB is scum beyond using bad logic.

Where did Toto sheep?

Sesq, can you talk to me about why you felt the need to provide a reads-list on page 3?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

OK, it was worded as if you were reading everyone as town who had posted in the game at that point.

Who is penguin and where is the claim?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Soft-claims mean jack-shit.

I'd lynch a soft-claim in a heartbeat.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Nebula, I would appreciate it if you could respond to my posts.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Nebula, I would appreciate it if you could respond to my posts.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

HI EVERYONE I AM RILEY CAKE !

I think nebula might just be new and doesn't know why RVS is good for townies! So, I think voting nebula is badsies! But!!! I think the people voting nebula are probably scum trying to kill him, so that's bad and we should vote them!! Not the first person though!! It's probably the first person was just an INNOCENT PAWN who started the wagon and the people who sheeped them are scum!

...But then, I looked at the vote score and, nobody has really tried to sheep on nebula yet! It was all transferred votes from Heckfire Missile!! So I think we should look at another wagon: MUSIC BOX

Riley, can you explain why your perspective is exclusively 'people being wagoned must be town'? You're speaking from the perspective that both Nebula and MB are town - and I don't see why.

VOTE: Toto

Can you explain why you're voting Toto please?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

What? Why I said Sesq was town in post 60? I liked post 52 at the time.

What did you like about post 52?

Also, can you talk about why you felt the need to explain Hellfire's replace out?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I like the reassessment of Sesq's 'reads'. It looks forced to me - like scum trying to look like they have something to contribute to the game.

It might have been a bad argument, but had you replaced into a town slot, I don't feel like you would have entertained the post.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

What are your thoughts on Sesq, LUV and Riley atm?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Godzilla, get off hawk. Im ok with with uzi.

Your town-read must be super strong to be batting away votes already. I don't like this at all.

41 and 47 look like town to me. I think he is genuinely trying to figure nebula out, and not trying to do so for the looks or to trap them. That was the most town like interaction I had looked at so far.

Hawk, would you agree with this assessment that your 41 and 47 are 'town' posts?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm obviously asking you to look at it from a non-biased perspective.

I thought a lot of it was theory talk and therefore NAI, so I'm interested to see that you do think they're town posts.

I feel like Toto is trying to pocket you. This isn't saying I think you're town, but looking at Toto's posts wrt you I can't help but think it.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You don't think town use bad reasoning?

What does being easy to yell at have to do with it?

Also, there are statistics on this site that suggest scum are most likely to be first on a wagon over any other position.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I might want to lynch Riley...let me have a thorough read though later today

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Anyone up for flash lynching Kain?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Something wrong with Liverpool?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Lol Elena.

You can't lynch me.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'll get to this when I can.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I would usually provide more than what I'm doing right now but I'm super busy atm.

I won't have time for this today but will try to get around to it tomorrow. Sorry for my absence.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm going to get around to catching up on this game today.

A lot of posting has happened since I last read up - I hope it's content and not fluff :/

[BlueBloodedToffee]

So, we have 41 pages and we're still on D1.

Superb.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I would like to state that I am extremely happy for Sesq to be lynched.

Like, within the next 5 posts if possible.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Is there anyone around to talk to?

Also, don't lynch Sesq in next 5 posts - that would be bad.

UNVOTE:

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Hi Lowell,

Current reads?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

So your reads aren't real.

Cool.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm struggling to see Magna and Sesq as scum.

Walk me through it?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Happy Scumday Magna!

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Anyone want to play "Spot the evidence showing that Lowell is scum" in this post.

IIRC, you wrote a post saying that you usually need a couple of flips/days before you can read Lowell accurately.

Why is this game different?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Oh my.

VOTE: Lowell

This needs to happen.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: nebula

VOTE: Nebbie

VOTE: NEBULA

Don't like this guy
VOTE: Nebbie

same,, VOTE: NEBULA

See neb? This is what opportunistic looks like.

Getting some bad vibes with these two.

This sequence of posting makes Sesq town for me.

He votes Nebula after their discussion. Soon after, both Kain and Toto jump on the Nebula wagon. Now, the way I see it is like this. Sesq!Scum just sits back and enjoys the growing wagon on the person he is voting. It's exactly what he would have been hoping would happen when he voted.

However, he doesn't do this. Instead, he questions

both

people who just jumped on the Nebula wagon with him - it's a town paranoia of 'Woah, why did they both just join so quickly'. Scum don't pick up on things like that, unless Sesq/Nebula are both scum - and I'm like 95% sure they're not.

Sesq voters should move swiftly over to Lowell.

Thanks.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I haven't read anything regarding Hiraki yet but I'm townreading Nebula.

Lowell is the best option I have seen so far and you should join the wagon.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

A good point and she also doesn't follow up by pushing on either Toto or Kain.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Sesq

Sesq, why was there no push on Toto/Kain after disliking their jump onto the Nebula wagon?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Votecount 1.10

Votecount 1.10

[0] Lil Uzi Vert
[0] BlueBloodedToffee
[0] lucca261
[0] MagnaofIllusion
[1] KainTepes - Riley Cake
[0] Lowell
[4] Hiraki - KainTepes, Toto, Sesq, MagnaofIllusion
[0] Riley Cake
[0] Toto
[6] Sesq - BlueBloodedToffee, Lil Uzi Vert, Music Box, Hiraki, nebula, Lowell

[L-2]

[2] nebula - Elena Fisher, Hawk
[0] Music Box
[0] Elena Fisher
[0] Hawk

[0] Nolynch

Not voting: lucca261

14 players are alive, therefore 8 votes is the majority.

Deadline: (expired on 2017-02-13 13:10:00)

I don't know what the current VC looks like (

Mod, could we have one please?

) but judging by who is on that Hiraki wagon I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.

Is Nebula a viable wagon? How many votes does he have atm?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

MoI, I really don't think Nebula is scum.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Hiraki also looked town from what I read upon his replace in.

MB is also a lower level town read of mine. Lowell is the only person I really have a problem with on the Sesq wagon - I have no read on LUV so far.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

MoI, chances of Sesq and Nebula being town?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Same for you Toto.

And Riley.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Nebula and Sesq are where they are in my reads based on their early game discussion - I believe Nebula came out of it looking much better.

Sesq has a lot of instances where he says things like - 'I don't know what I was thinking', 'I can't really explain it now' and 'Oh yeah, that was really bad posting from me'. Those types of comments don't sit well with me because it's a cop-out from explaining his reasoning.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

No, I haven't read the whole game yet. I think I stopped around page 20.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

If there is something in particular you want me to look at I'm more than happy to - just leave a link.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

But you ISO'ed yourself and then produced the wrong names...

You can't have got games mixed up right after ISO'ing yourself...

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Lowell

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Lowell is at L-1...someone hammer please.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Elena

I have some things I need to read over and will probably have some questions coming soon as well but Elena looks like a fantastic lynch for D2.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Neb

We lynch this then BBT.

Elena can you talk me through both of these reads at the time - specifically, why were you scum reading me but willing to move onto Nebula?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I had a sr on Neb (still semi do but not to the extent of you/Magna) and also one on you my sr on you was stronger yes but Neb had a much higher chance of getting lynched so I voted Neb.

Can you explain why you think I'm scum then?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

If you look at the context of this question it was mostly just normal talk but then you turned it around into shade throwing when ironically the only one trying to look busy given half your iso is "Why do you tr/sr/think _____"

You realise my questioning was towards Nebula, right? The very person you're scum reading now? So, what was I attempting to do if both myself/Nebula are scum?

You say soft claims mean jack shit when you soft claimed yourself so what's the point of soft claiming if it means jack shit

I have not soft claimed once in this game. Secondly, how is that AI?

^ and opportunistic votes all around

How was my Lowell vote opportunistic? How is my Elena vote opportunistic? Don't just throw buzzwords at me - explain them.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

1)"But it was towards the person you sr so it's okay right?" What an awful reaction it's clearly distance if would it make me iffy on Neb? Maybe a bit I'd prob lynch Magna first but hey we'd prob have info by then
2) Sure felt like a soft claim to me so your words didn't match up with your actions could just be me though.
3) The answer is common sense you didn't explain them at all someone makes a case on me and you just so happy to be like "Elena is a great day 2 lynch" when you barely if any talked about me before hand at all Lowell was a naked vote along with coaching from Magna

@Mod do scum have daychat?

1) That's not what I was getting at. I was pointing out that your read on myself was/is stale and there is 0 progression of the read in thread. You have scum read me from the beginning without ever showing signs of reevaluation/justification. Isn't this what you're accusing me of doing? I don't get why you started talking about MoI here.

2) It's just you. I was saying that 'you' could not lynch me. You still can't.

3) I liked what MoI had posted about Lowell and I disliked how Lowell couldn't explain his reads on the fly (I even stated it in thread). I didn't speak much about you on D1 - partly because I was in a consistent state of catching up but mostly because you were not really doing anything. Doing just enough to skate by without too much attention coming your way.

PEdit - Elena, do you think it might be because he saw in thread that I already had a disliking for the Lowell slot and wanted me to help form the wagon? Even though, apparently, you can't see that.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

If that's your final response to me Elena you're about to be lynched a lot quicker than I originally thought.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Nah, BBT is town.

Nebula, why are you town reading me?

Elena should hammer. She's town.

Can you also talk about your Elena town read please?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

OK, cool.

Quick list of current reads before we end our discussion?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

He repeatedly pointing to things about Toto's play and calling them scummy but says "Toto is just bad Town".

Aka behavior of scum who knows someone's alignment and thus bends over backwards to get the correct read despite the what they say about the other player's behavior.

MoI, can you show me where Nebula is calling Toto scummy after claiming they're bad town?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Votecount 1.7

Votecount 1.7

[1] BlueBloodedToffee - KainTepes
[1] KainTepes - Riley Cake
[6] Sesq - BlueBloodedToffee, Lowell, Lil Uzi Vert, Music Box, Hiraki, nebula

[L-2]

[5] nebula - Sesq, MagnaofIllusion, Hawk, Elena Fisher, Toto

[0] Nolynch

Not voting: nydushermain

14 players are alive, therefore 8 votes is the majority.

Deadline: (expired on 2017-02-13 13:10:00)

Putting this here to look back on when I get the chance.

PEdit - Thanks.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

That's fair enough MoI, I think I misunderstood your point originally but I get what you mean now and I think it actually makes sense.

However, I understand you're also reading Toto as town and I have no idea how tbh. Toto looks like scum to me (which is why Nebula's town read has me like ???'

Why do you think Toto is town?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Sesq, please help me lynch Elena. I'll give you a cookie.

MoI, I'll talk more about Toto when I'm at a PC. IIRC though, up to page 25 or so, he only ever voted for Nebula/Hiraki and one other person. Can't remember who it was but he stays within 3 people the entire time.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Gut feeling is super bad reasoning for D2.

Give me something more solid.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

So let me get this straight. Our two wagons are.

Nebula V Sesq.

Hikari is soft TR reading Nebula and wants Sesq lynched and after pages and pages of noise feels like there is an associative scum tell between Toto and Sesq cause of distancing?

And Toto is convinced that Nebula and Hikari are an associative scum pair because of the defending. Also lining up lynches which really is NAI but it does feel rather odd that this game has devolved so quickly into focal around these 4...

I mean so far I actually think the associative tells are bullshit and it's just two TvT arguing on the behalf of a TvS.

so yeah I'm staying on Nebula guys. Hikari seems a bit short with his words but I don't disagree with how he's approaching the game even if I don't buy his defense of Nebula.

Hawk, this post feels super stale and it contains lots of words that don't really say much. You have given a running commentary on what's happened so far and then stuck to the same reads.

Are you still voting Nebula for her 'soft-claim' or has the read developed?

I have a horrible feeling scum are laying low (LUV, Hawk, Elena) <--- not saying they're all scum but at least one is in here whilst the majority of the thread is taken over by 4 or 5 people.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

OK, anyone town reading Elena and scum reading/voting Sesq needs to read over this sequence of posts.

Look at how many times Sesq tries to get an answer/reasoning from Elena and look how she tries to dodge the question on multiple occasions.

Why is he wrong, and why are his beliefs scary?

Someone who is doing wrong but believes there in the right is without a doubt one of the most scary things

A simple question from Sesq; why is Toto wrong on Hiraki. Elena doesn't answer the question, just says 'he is wrong'.

This isn't actually answering the question.

That was answering part of your question just because you don't get an answer you're happy with doesn't mean it's a dodge. I think he's wrong on the scumread because I think there town use common sense it's not a hard thing to fill in the blanks

Sesq correctly points out that Elena did not answer her question. Elena, incorrectly tries to say that she did - I see no reason for why Hiraki is town or why Toto is wrong. 'Toto is wrong because Hiraki is town'. Repeating her answer and still not answering the question.

Why is Toto wrong on his scumread of Hiraki?

Answer.

You're clearly misunderstanding what I was saying you asked me "Why is he wrong" and "why is it scary" I told you why it is scary and why is he wrong you should be able to use common sense and see I think he's wrong because I had Hiraki as town

Sesq states her question as plainly as she possibly can.

Elena still dodges the question - why can't she give a simple answer as to why she town reads Hiraki or even just say why Toto is wrong. The effort Elena is going to to avoid answering Sesq's questions shows she is uncomfortable and doesn't feel like she can justify her read. Elena tries to make it look like Sesq is asking questions that have an obvious answer and that is simply not the case.

but why do you townread Hiraki?

I'm not using it as an argument at all is the thing though lol

Still dodging a very simple question. Ask yourself this; what possible reasons could Elena have for trying to obfuscate here? She again tries to focus on a different part of the post (talking about common sense) instead of addressing the real issue.

You have a townread on Hiraki, why?

duh, but why do you townread Hiraki?

You see this is good not the stupid around the bush stuff you did before.
I liked Hiraki's tone and his reactions to toto's push plus his play draws attention to himself where I don't see scum needing to do that

Finally, Elena answers. Now, there are a couple of things to note here.

Elena acts like Sesq has only just made herself clear; when that is quite simply not the case. Sesq asked in quite blunt terms at least 3 times before this to try and get Elena to explain the read and she refused. My reading of this is that Elena needed time to ISO Hiraki and try to come up with some justification for her town read.

Secondly, the town read is awfully generic. 'Hiraki's tone', his 'reaction to Toto's push' and 'drawing attention to himself.' I realise that Sesq pushes this further (as she should) but I want to chime in here.

Both 'tone' and 'reactions' are not suitable explanations for a town read - if that's what you truly believe you should be able to justify those thoughts by evidencing it through posts - Elena doesn't seem capable (or simply can't) do that and continues to try and avoid the issue hereafter. Also, the 'drawing attention' to himself is flat out wrong - how much attention did Hiraki receive for what he did? A maximum of 2 votes? That point for the town read is moot.

"his tone" is a fairly empty statement you can apply to just about anyone. Not *clap* a *clap* argument *clap*. (mods plz add clap smilie). And if you like his tone, what do you like about his tone?

As for his reactions to toto's push, what about it?

You asked for an answer and I gave you one just because you don't like the answer doesn't mean it's not an argument

Elena gives up.

It should be super easy for Elena to justify her town read of Hiraki but she simply can't do it and that's because her reads are fabricated and are not based on actually trying to figure the game out. She threw random reads out to try and look like she was analyzing the game and when asked to justify her reads simply couldn't do it.

Can we please lynch Elena?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Please, please, please read the above post carefully.

I'm pretty sure Sesq is the leading wagon and the above sequence of posts

very clearly

show Sesq is town and Elena is very likely to be scum.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Elena has just realized why I don't interact with Sesq or Toto tbh

You must not have read closely enough.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Nebula, why am I town?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

MoI, I supported you on the Lowell wagon.

Help me lynch Elena.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I can't help but feel both Sesq and Nebula are town

[BlueBloodedToffee]

What's changed other than my support of the Sesq wagon?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Also, I wouldn't exactly say I was 'supporting' the wagon either.

My vote might have been sat on the wagon, but I was hardly pushing it as a solid scum read. In fact, IIRC my first real posting about Sesq was stating that I thought she was town.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

LUV what is your read on Elena, Sesq and Nebula currently?

PEdit - If you doubt that scum!BBT would make that play then what is making you doubt the read?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Nebula what is your current read on Elena?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

LUV, do you have any opinion on my post regarding Sesq/Elena?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Toto, your first question is moot.

As for the second - what of your participation?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I looked at your argument based on her refusal to answer Sesq's questions, but I don't see it. I did the same thing. Sesq is a fairly needy and frustrating player.

No, it's completely different.

You outright stated you were not going to answer. Elena dodged around the questioning, trying to act like she had answered what Sesq was asking and that Sesq was being unreasonable.

There is a huge difference.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Even though it goes against your current reads?

If I didnt know any better, I'd say you were trying to avoid interacting with me.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

It doesn't change anything about my current opinion of said players or the game state. It's just there.

I'm struggling to believe that post had 0 influence on someone you're null reading.

Why is Elena null?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Have you seen anything that gives you a slight indication one way or anothet? Even just one post?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

And it doesn't concern you that there is a player who you have no read on at all?

Have you tried to change that?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Ignoring null reads seems like a solid town strategy.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You don't even have to 'force sort' but you could interact with a null read to see if it changes your read in any way.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Toto, I have stated what my read on Neb is recently - probably in my last 10 posts.

Clearly, I had not read that exchange prior to my voting.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Elena, what did you like about Hiraki's tone and what did you like about his reactions to Toto's push?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

They're your words you used to explain your town read.

Where did you see those things from Hiraki?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

What about his tone? How does his tone indicate he is town over scum? Quote posts.

What about his reaction? What makes his reaction more likely to come from town than scum. Quote posts.

Hiraki, what other conclusion have you arrived at?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Also Hiraki, 743 is a post from Sesq.

Did you mean 744?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Pretty slimy way of dodging though, no?

You don't think Sesq had valid points?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Wrong.

You'd try to make it look like you were answering whilst not actually answering the question. Which is what you did.

PEdit - You agree that Sesq had valid points? If so, I'm not sure how you can see Elena's dodging as anything other than being scum motivated.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Shush scum.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Help me lynch Elena then.

We can talk about Nebula tomorrow.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Toto, I can't justify Nebula being town with conviction. I have the odd thing here and there but nothing that makes me go 'Yep, Nebula is town for me'.

I thought I had a somewhat decent town read on the Nebula slot but looking back through my notes/Nebula's ISO I'm honestly not sure why that was. I think I may have held onto an early town read for too long without reevaluating after getting caught up in numerous other things.

MoI also makes some pretty good points but I've become paranoid about MoI being scum - I thought we had scum for sure in Lowell. I just feel like there are much better lynches today other than Nebula.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

All-in-all I'm having trouble understanding a lot of the current game-state and the one thing I do feel really confident in is that Elena is scum.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Mod, can we get a VC please?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't know, I just am.

I don't feel like I have any solid town reads in this entire game and it's super frustrating because it's hard for me to get a solid handle on the game.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

If I forget about paranoia, I would say that MoI, Hiraki and Sesq are town. Those would be my most confident town reads.

The rest just kind of float around without making too much of an impact on the game and that makes it difficult to read them. Except for Nebula, who I'm struggling to read.

Hawk, LUV, Riley, MB and Nyd are kind of just...there.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Forgot Nyd had been replaced by Hapa - I liked their entrance so they can also be town.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

People want to know what you find "great" about it. It's details details details just saying "great" doesn't really generate talk and it doesn't make you as transparent as you could be. I understand just saying you find a post good and wanting to leave it at that but this is how I see it at least

Oh. My. God.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Its just the fact that he doesnt want to interact or answer simple questions. Im sorry but saying nyd is town because of post Y and not explaining the thought process further because it should be obvious is the most ridiculous thing I have heard in this game and entirely the opposite of what is good for town. It gives the entire scum team here an excuse to not have to respond difficult questions. And like I said before Hikari seems like a good player, like you said, so responding like this seems out of what I expect of his character.

His attitude is anti town at best and we can not let that continue or of anyone else in this game.

I don't understand how you can have this big a problem with Hiraki and not see the same exact thing in Elena but 10x worse.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

LUV, can you talk about your current scum reads when you get the chance please?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

It's annoying when you kill the wrong people isn't it?

This is purely frustrated scum who did not expect to be the focus of D2.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Who was SR MoI and you didn't answer why

you're

scum reading him.

Unless your whole read is based on pre-flip associatives?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

BBT, to be fair, you didn't answer either when you said you were paranoid about him.

Yeah, because it's not a scum read.

I read MoI as town but I'm paranoid he could be scum.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Riley, why did you unvote Elena?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Explain reads. In as much detail as possible. Little details means you get lynched. Bad explanations/reasons means you get lynched.

I'll be honest and say I have mixed feelings about your slot. Your reactions are good but your unprompted actions are not. For example that vote on Magna while Lowel as about to get lynched looks like scum that wants to look busy but doesn't want to be in the last bit of a town wagon, and doesn't want to derail it either.

If you are town you must have had a really good reason to vote Magna and ignore Lowell's wagon completely. So please explain your MoI read.

I'll explain my reads in my next post

Has this happened yet or is Elena still dodging?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't see how you get a town read from that...

Elena tried to shut down the discussion because she didn't have a suitable response to my post. There is nothing townie about it.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Dontcha think mafia would find a less fishy excuse? She'd wanna avoid attention rightsies?

How much attention did she get for cutting off the discussion?

I'd argue none.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Magna

Dont talk about reads. It only helps scum.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I just wish I had been firmer with my 'Nebula vs Sesq' is town vs town'. So hard to stick your neck out when literally nobody else sees what I'm seeing