Open 677: See Nayne Ples Ples [THE END]

[LicketyQuickety]

so far I don't like momo, and that's with the consideration that they are a very new player and have no idea what they are doing.

[LicketyQuickety]

so far I don't like momo, and that's with the consideration that they are a very new player and have no idea what they are doing.

What if you consider them an alt, as they somehow already have anti-Hydra stances and are thus unlikely to be new?
Does that change your reading of them?

- O

No, because then they are playing dumb and I view that as a Scum tell.

[LicketyQuickety]

so far I don't like momo, and that's with the consideration that they are a very new player and have no idea what they are doing.

What if you consider them an alt, as they somehow already have anti-Hydra stances and are thus unlikely to be new?
Does that change your reading of them?

- O

No, because then they are playing dumb and I view that as a Scum tell.

Good, we're on the same page!

They are a slot I'd like to run up without a doubt! Join me?

VOTE: Momo

Nope, I rather people "run someone up" with actual reasons because I am paranoid of quick lynches.

[LicketyQuickety]

Did Agent Sparkles ask the mod to confirm him?

Good question.

[LicketyQuickety]

What I was trying to say is that you are trying to convince us to not lynch you just because you claim to be a vanilla townie. For all we know you could be lying.

Like this is just trying to find something Scummy that is ultimately NAI.

[LicketyQuickety]

What I was trying to say is that you are trying to convince us to not lynch you just because you claim to be a vanilla townie. For all we know you could be lying.

NSS.

I take it from your join date and the fact this isn't a newbie game that you're an alt?

What makes you think they are an alt as opposed to being new? Because that is the way I am reading it, looking into things that are not there like a newb would do. Arguing something like this as someone who knows what they are doing isn't exactly smart.

[LicketyQuickety]

I really do not enjoy playing with hydra. I say we lynch Electra and...

Why? Was this serious?

[LicketyQuickety]

I really do not enjoy playing with hydra. I say we lynch Electra and...

If you don't like hydras then you should be voting the hydra if you wanted to lynch it. Put your vote where your mouth is!

Besides that people like to hydra, so you could have avoided the situation all together.

So Policy Lynching a hydra just because you don't like hydras is selfish and bad.
-Electra.

The bold: this is the kind of careless stuff that newb Town tends to do, IMO.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: creature

Never seen him trying this hard. Not sure might be scum.

-music

Him in try hard mode is more of a Town tell for him than Scum tell tbh.

[LicketyQuickety]

Did Agent Sparkles ask the mod to confirm him?

Good question.

Why is it a good question?

Because I was wondering the same thing.

[LicketyQuickety]

I was not being serious at all. Just taking a pill.

(Feel like I need to clarify due to amount of hate).

You confuses hate with suspicion.

Can you get an avatar please?

[LicketyQuickety]

Feeling slight SK vibes from Uzi that I cannot explain. Like they seem to be asking some pretty basic shit, not really doing much and I know Uzi is a pretty proficient player so that has me worried.

[LicketyQuickety]

Feeling slight SK vibes from Uzi that I cannot explain. Like they seem to be asking some pretty basic shit, not really doing much and I know Uzi is a pretty proficient player so that has me worried.

SK Hunting already?

- O

I am not "hunting" for anything in particular. Just had a feeling.

[LicketyQuickety]

Hmm, i dont mind you having a feeling, but im wondering why SK feeling in particular instead of groupscum.

Because it looks like trying to play "Null." Asking basic shit that is low risk. SK wants to play null rather than Townie like Mafia because that keeps them alive longer.

[LicketyQuickety]

Feeling slight SK vibes from Uzi that I cannot explain. Like they seem to be asking some pretty basic shit, not really doing much and I know Uzi is a pretty proficient player so that has me worried.

Why are you looking for an SK right now?
-Electra

I already explained this. Its not that I am looking for anything in particular. I am just observing and noting my observations. Its not even a strong point. I just had a feeling - gut.

[LicketyQuickety]

Cool. I still think people should vote for LicketyQuickety.

I thought you said what you had was weak but that's all you have. Why are you trying to push this if that is the case?

[LicketyQuickety]

Hmm, i dont mind you having a feeling, but im wondering why SK feeling in particular instead of groupscum.

Because it looks like trying to play "Null." Asking basic shit that is low risk. SK wants to play null rather than Townie like Mafia because that keeps them alive longer.

If the last few games I've seen of Uzi are any indication this his PR/imma PR hit me first town game. Or at least that's what he says

I hope this is not a role fish.

[LicketyQuickety]

@Hawk, I don't get the defense of Uzi. Explain why you are doing that.

[LicketyQuickety]

I can't ignore the inconsistencies and chasing that momo is doing based on closely looking at their posts.

VOTE: momo

[LicketyQuickety]

Creature's probably town.

Persivul too.

Why? I have a guess, but want to know your reasons.

[LicketyQuickety]

Hi LQ, signs momo is tryharding as scum?

I wouldn't say "tryharding" no. Lack of sound reasons is why I don't think so. I don't think our momo is a very skilled player whether they are Town or Scum.

[LicketyQuickety]

What I was trying to say is that you are trying to convince us to not lynch you just because you claim to be a vanilla townie. For all we know you could be lying.

NSS.

I take it from your join date and the fact this isn't a newbie game

that you're an alt?

What makes you think they are an alt as opposed to being new?

Please read my posts before asking questions that have already been answered. They have a recent join date. Newbies usually start with a newbie game, but I checked their history and no newbie game. Rebuttable conclusion is that they're an alt.

Because that is the way I am reading it, looking into things that are not there like a newb would do. Arguing something like this as someone who knows what they are doing isn't exactly smart.

Yep, and that's why I asked for clarification. Why guess when you can just, you know, ask and interact with them?

OK, first off, you heavility implied that they were an alt. My argument is that there is more that says they are a newb based on playstyle as opposed to "factual data."

I guess we'll see who's right

Why eat up two posts to essentially say the same thing? As I understand it, you are not a high volume player so I don't get this move.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: LQ

Creature I will lynch you if you keep this up.

LOL. No, really. This is pretty shitty play.



As far as you comment on Creature... WTF? I have no idea what your beef with Creature is, but it looks like shit from my end.

[LicketyQuickety]

I mean... piggybacking on momos shitty reasons for Scum reading me? makes me want to blurt out in laughter honestly.

[LicketyQuickety]

LQ you are really obvious scum.

Good, then you should know I am Town this game. So get you F-ing vote off me, thanks.

[LicketyQuickety]

lol RC using someone putting effort as a scum tell.

Yeah, we could policy lynch Music and Mail.

VOTE: Music and Mail

So are you claiming an actual scumread on me?

You think you sorted most cunning manipulator RC on page 6 of the game? Damn you're good.
There are many, Postie included, who would love to attend a seminar that you would run explaining how you divined the secrets of my elusive scumplay.

-Music

FTFY

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm saying that you can't read me and may think you can but can't. Being able to correctly identify me as scum means nothing if you're always identifying me as scum.
There's a difference between being able to tell the difference and being able to label me scum every game and it's not hard to do the latter. Most people in general do the latter.
This is a thing I don't feel like dealing with right now and Postie townreads you so I probably can't sway her into trying to lynch you for annoying me so I'll just ignore you.

VOTE: Hawk

Here, I will sum up your God like Scum game in a matter of words: You are a good liar.

[LicketyQuickety]

We're discussing the game on skype. She's going to post when we're caught up. Hawk vote is tentative but I'm rather happy with it tbh.

My last post was to RC.

The reason Potsie has a good Scum game is because people like you and you come across as non-threatening.

[LicketyQuickety]

I mean... piggybacking on momos shitty reasons for Scum reading me? makes me want to blurt out in laughter honestly.

LQ you are really obvious scum.

Scum lean on M&M.

[LicketyQuickety]

I mean... piggybacking on momos shitty reasons for Scum reading me? makes me want to blurt out in laughter honestly.

LQ you are really obvious scum.

Scum lean on M&M.

Will explain if asked.

^ ^

[LicketyQuickety]

Okay. Why are you scumreading us?

-- Mail

Its too convenient that you Scum read me just after newbie newbskin decides to push a vote for me with piss poor reasoning.

Because you used the idea of distracting me from momo by voting for me with no reason given. Then when you knew I wasn't just going to turn around and vote you, you changed your read on me immediately.

[LicketyQuickety]

Okay. Why are you scumreading us?

-- Mail

Its too convenient that you Scum read me just after newbie newbskin decides to push a vote for me with piss poor reasoning.

Because you used the idea of distracting me from momo by voting for me with no reason given. Then when you knew I wasn't just going to turn around and vote you, you changed your read on me immediately.

Shall I go more into depth with this?

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: LQ

Creature I will lynch you if you keep this up.

Talks about Creature and not LQ and yet votes LQ. I can see no logical reason to do this besides trying to confuse people.

Literally NO reason given for the vote

VOTE: LQ

Creature I will lynch you if you keep this up.

LOL. No, really. This is pretty shitty play.



As far as you comment on Creature... WTF? I have no idea what your beef with Creature is, but it looks like shit from my end.

Here I fall for that simple ploy making a point of the adacity of M&M to vote me for literally no reason given.

I mean... piggybacking on momos shitty reasons for Scum reading me? makes me want to blurt out in laughter honestly.

Here, I did pick up however that it was a piggy back off the charismatic newbs push on me and so I can only assume since no reason is given that they agree with the reasons given for Scum reading me which is LOL.

LQ you are really obvious scum.

I don't understand the point of this post coming from a logical standpoint know:

1. I am Town
   
2. What is stated is that I am an easy Scum read so that would largely negate having to give a pressure vote for me to find my alignment and
   
3. Still doesn't answer the question for why they are voting for me.

Looks to be another post to distract.

Actually I just spent a while metaing you and a whole bunch of things that are scumtells for normal people are either NAI or towntells for you. We're good for now.

VOTE: Creature

Here, we see M&M vote for Creature without giving any reason and then saying they spent some time meta diving me and made up their mind that I am Town. The problem with this is this: spending an hour to meta dive me to get a good feel for how I operate as Scum??? I mean, I may be a bad Scum player, but I have I think over 400 posts alone in my last Scum game. And its still not clear what games they looked at at this point. They just said they spent some time meta diving me and think I am Town because of that. Since when is meta alone a good reason for a read on someone?

Mail has not posted in thread yet and she is the one who is better at signing consistently so if it's unsigned you can assume that it's me.
I actually for some reason mixed up LQ and EE when I was making a comparison to something EE did in Slavic 2 but then I realized that it wasn't.
LQ this game has been spastic and extremely posturey and usually that kind of stuff is scumtells but as far as I've read into his scum meta they're absent from his scum meta and he does it constantly as town.
So like it still comes across as insincere to me but given LQ's mislynch rate I suspect it comes across as insincere to everyone and I suggest he tones it down; but that's beside the point.
Town this game unless something happens to make me reevaluate.

Both Potsie AND RC were BOTH in Slavic 2... So was Titus, who as we all know at this point, RC has an odd relationship with. Also. I died N1 that game... How much info can you possibly get from one single day of one single game? Also IIRC, EE was actually a Hydra with Titus in it. I find it really weird that Potsie would mess that up considering that Potsie was Scum with Titus hydra that game if memory serves. So what exactly would Potsie be looking for in a game where I was Town, they were Scum and the person they mixed me up with was their own Scum buddy? Looks Sus af IMO.

Lets not forget that this post is supposed to make me feel all warm and squishy inside because "Oh, Potsie, you understand my oddness so well, you CAN'T be Scum here."

Idk like LQ is really bland and neutral tone-y and kinda inanimate as scum. I read stuff like 'makes me want to blurt out in laughter' as over the top posturing but that doesn't seem as likely from this specific player as scum.
There's also a lot of 'scumhunting' stuff that I don't like, like calling Persivul out for 2 posts which makes no sense and the whole assuming newbness but it's not like, alignment indicative necessarily I guess?

-Music

Here we see Potsie really talking out of two sides of their mouth. They say I am not acting like my Scum self but the evidence provided is almost solely against me. Conclusion doesn't match the motive.

I'm saying that you can't read me and may think you can but can't. Being able to correctly identify me as scum means nothing if you're always identifying me as scum.
There's a difference between being able to tell the difference and being able to label me scum every game and it's not hard to do the latter. Most people in general do the latter.
This is a thing I don't feel like dealing with right now and Postie townreads you so I probably can't sway her into trying to lynch you for annoying me so I'll just ignore you.

VOTE: Hawk

So you can't come to an understanding with your Hydra partner?



Again we see a completely naked vote with no reasoning attached at all. AND I am actually wondering if they did come to an understanding on Hawk??? That part is def not clear.

pls don't make RC go into hulk mode it makes him bad at the game

What I was trying to say is that you are trying to convince us to not lynch you just because you claim to be a vanilla townie. For all we know you could be lying.

Hi momo
Why did you say "vanilla townie" as opposed to "townie"? It feels awkward.

-- Mail

Blatant AtE.

The reason Potsie has a good Scum game is because people like you and you come across as non-threatening.

Also lol @ literally everything about this sentence.

-- Mail

A simple discredit to my observation with yet again, no reason/observations given.

Is this really a going to be a thing on page 7

You really do this to yourself if you can't generate a Town read, you know that right?

Okay. Why are you scumreading us?

-- Mail

RC now sees its too risky not to ask why I think this so jumps the gun on asking themselves what the reasons are so as to not be able to have that used against them.

[LicketyQuickety]

LQ you are really fucking bad please do town a favour and stop posting.

Ad hom fallacy.

[LicketyQuickety]

Pers, M&M, momo???

[LicketyQuickety]

That's not an argument. I didn't say you were wrong because you were a bad player. I said that you're a bad player because you're wrong.

Semantics. You used the argument that I should stop posting because I am bad at the game. You literally provided NO argument.

[LicketyQuickety]

Is RC being an opportunistic follower consistent with anything you know about him?

I'm not sure how to respond to that wall other than to requote this question. Like, you have played with RC in other games. You should know that being cautious and backing off when under pressure is something he never does ever. If he had wanted to push a lynch on you he certainly wouldn't have waited for someone else to vote you first. Jfc LQ.

-- Mail

Meta reads are mostly shit. Besides, its a lot easier to read someone based on what you know about their personality than what exactly they would do as Town or Scum. That is about all meta reads are good for according to me.

[LicketyQuickety]

Also not providing arguments and lack of transparency aren't even remotely scumtells so you can stop using that as a reason to tunnel us.

-- Mail

Nope. On principle they ARE Scum tells because if you allow people to not have to provide arguments and not be transparent then we end up with people like RC who gets away with a ton of shit as Scum for that sole reason.

[LicketyQuickety]

I said that you should stop posting because what you are currently doing is incredibly pro-scum on many different levels if you're scum.
If I were scum I can lynch you and walk away from that and you are a lynchbaity enough player to know that.

You are pushing the angle that I am scum because I did things that weak scum players would do but that have no scum motivation at my level. Stop.
Like why do I give a fuck about what your reasons are do you think that if there's not going to be 2-4 scum to hop on my wagon that anyone will take you seriously?

Meta reads are mostly shit. Besides, its a lot easier to read someone based on what you know about their personality than what exactly they would do as Town or Scum. That is about all meta reads are good for according to me.

Dear fucking lord should I lynch you for your shit case and your terrible posturing then?

No, you didn't say I should stop posting because what I am currently doing is incredibly pro-scum on so many levels if I am Scum. You said I should stop posting because I am bad.

I am not afraid of getting lynched so eat it.

Occam's Razor. If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, its a duck.
Just calling it like I see it. I have never cared if people take me seriously, I just do me.

Go ahead and lynch me, you already said I was Town.

[LicketyQuickety]

Except that RC scum only doesn't provide arguments some of the time as scum because I'm imitating my town meta. I have no issues producing cases as scum on anyone.

That does not give RC the excuse to not provide reasons then.

[LicketyQuickety]

Okay. Why are you scumreading us?

-- Mail

RC now sees its too risky not to ask why I think this so jumps the gun on asking themselves what the reasons are so as to not be able to have that used against them.

Btw is the implication here that we're telepathic and I jumped in to rescue RC after sensing his fear because if so that's mildly hilarious.

-- Mail

Who says you have to be telepathic? You are talking on Skype right now.

[LicketyQuickety]

Also not providing arguments and lack of transparency aren't even remotely scumtells so you can stop using that as a reason to tunnel us.

-- Mail

Nope. On principle they ARE Scum tells because if you allow people to not have to provide arguments and not be transparent then we end up with people like RC who gets away with a ton of shit as Scum for that sole reason.

Right so it's NAI and you want to policy lynch him for it rather than trying to actually change that and work with us.

-- Mail

I am not the type to work "with" people. I am very much a lone wolf in that regard.

[LicketyQuickety]

Who says you have to be telepathic? You are talking on Skype right now.

RC: Postie help I think if I ask LQ why he's scumreading us I'll look like scum
Postie: Oh no I will ask instead

Yes this is a conversation that happened

-- Mail

Don't care.

[LicketyQuickety]

Okay I'll just boil things down to this for you, LQ:

Have you ever seen RC...?

• Show fear as scum
  
• Not continue to hardpush a lynch after getting heat for hardpushing a lynch

-- Mail

I don't even observe those kinds of things, honestly. You are still thinking I use meta in a way that I do not.

So to answer you question more directly, I haven't observed it or the absence of it.

[LicketyQuickety]

Feel free to actually address my wall, RC/Potsie.

[LicketyQuickety]

Chill RC. I haven't even voted you. Guess how I get Town reads?

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

[LicketyQuickety]

@LQ: It was sort of the feeling i got from their posts at game start. I can go into depth later but for now:

So are you claiming an actual scumread on me? You think you sorted most cunning manipulator RC on page 6 of the game? Damn you're good.
There are many, Postie included, who would love to attend a seminar that you would run explaining how you divined the secrets of my elusive scumplay.
-Music

What, the literal, fuck.
>Gets scumread
>You cant be scumreading me coz im THE MOST CUNNING MANIPULATOR.
I wasnt even aware that you had that title now, but holy hell, what i remember from town you is getting mislynched a lot, not BS defenses like this.
VOTE: M&M

I am actually Town reading RC right now. ^_^

Remember when I asked how I get Town reads? Its by seeing that spike in emotion. I have not seen RC fake that before.

RCs reaction was much more stressed than angry, that is what I am looking at and what tells me they are prolly Town.

[LicketyQuickety]

I think a "woe is me" kind of reaction would be more indicative of town RC than a "oh look i have a title", that's the least i expected out of him.

RC HAS gotten cocky. This adds pressure on them to perform. That's why I read RC's "No! Please, I am Town! You have to believe me!" to be genuine.

[LicketyQuickety]

This is an alt. Have played on other sites before, not on this one. And for LQ I was just showing a gut feeling. Also, would a cunning person say they are cunning. I was playing like a noob so that the scum would let their guard down.

Nope. Don't buy it.

VOTE: momo

[LicketyQuickety]

This is an alt. Have played on other sites before, not on this one. And for LQ I was just showing a gut feeling. Also, would a cunning person say they are cunning. I was playing like a noob so that the scum would let their guard down.

Nope. Don't buy it.

VOTE: momo

And if I am right that momo is giving us BS it makes Pers look really really bad.

[LicketyQuickety]

I want a link to an off site game from momo.

[LicketyQuickety]

@Sakura, I read RCs

emotion

as genuine. I can see that RC COULD feel that way as Scum, but I think it is less likely so.

[LicketyQuickety]

I thought my response to Creature was appropriate because he has claimed confidence in being able to successfully read me because he called me as scum in my last 4 games and I was scum in all 4 of them.

Oh ok cool i didnt know there was a history behind that call out, it looked out of place to me
UNVOTE:

You never voted M&M to begin with.

[LicketyQuickety]

That felt, uh, a little too easy? Can you weigh in a bit more?

I thought my response to Creature was appropriate because he has claimed confidence in being able to successfully read me because he called me as scum in my last 4 games and I was scum in all 4 of them.

Oh ok cool i didnt know there was a history behind that call out, it looked out of place to me
UNVOTE:

You never voted M&M to begin with.

[LicketyQuickety]

That felt, uh, a little too easy? Can you weigh in a bit more?

Yeah, the fact that im feeling really awkward in this game, after being on a long hiatus and there being like only a few people i know.
@LQ: i did in 220

That vote didn't count and since you're a vet, I figured you would know that. That's why I waited to see if you would quickly unvote M&M.

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm proposing an E&O wagon. Anyone up for it?

Why?

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm proposing an E&O wagon. Anyone up for it?

Why?

They look awkward.

What do you think of Sakura's faux vote then unvote?

[LicketyQuickety]

I am going to use Kison vote counter. Please be kind that when voting, you uses full username.

Unless I am misunderstanding something this looks like you have to use the full username for the vote to be valid.

[LicketyQuickety]

Sorry im old fashioned and not used to all these newfangled vote counter things XD

Yeah, that would be fine except Kison has been around a while.

[LicketyQuickety]

Even if Sakura is scum I sincerely do not believe that she is lying about not understanding how the vote counter works, nor that she was wifully deceiving anyone via casting a trickvote.

Why not? I don't think it was her intention to not understand but that she knew she wasn't going to keep their vote on you very long so didn't need to know that you had to use the full username, conveniently.

If I was back from a long hiatus I would be damn sure to read every last thing the mod wrote in text.

[LicketyQuickety]

Even if Sakura is scum I sincerely do not believe that she is lying about not understanding how the vote counter works, nor that she was wifully deceiving anyone via casting a trickvote.

Why not? I don't think it was her intention to not understand but that she knew she wasn't going to keep their vote on you very long so didn't need to know that you had to use the full username, conveniently.

If I was back from a long hiatus I would be damn sure to read every last thing the mod wrote in text.

What's the scum motivation for it? What does she gain from lying about the vote? And also not many people read the rules: I didn't read the rules except the game related ones.

Motivation? Not sure. Looking busy, looking Town? IDK because IDK who is Town and who is Scum, but they could be trying to protect/attack a player/angle that I cannot see and since IDK what the motivation is, it is automatically suspect.

[LicketyQuickety]

LQ looks into shit no one else thinks means anything. Its why I am a good town player because shit gets talked about.

Anyways, RC, I have caught someone based on when they confirmed their role. There was more to it than just "they were the last to confirm their role" but with this info I feel it a little weird that you are not open to a new way of looking at how to read people. You go on and one about how you are the Norma Jean of Mafia. So why don't you give the goofy things that I say that are backwards a little more credence?

[LicketyQuickety]

Its not a "trick vote." What it is is carelessness saying "I know this vote isn't going to count anyways so it doesn't matter how I do it because I am going to unvote by the time there is another VC anyways."

Could also be done as a reaction test to see who is paying attention, but we got no confirmation on that so I don't think that is likely.

[LicketyQuickety]

Okay, that could be getting somewhere. So you think that she planned to concede and unvote when I called her out on it?

Something like that, yes, its def possible.

[LicketyQuickety]

I could see that I guess because like I said she unvoted me pretty quickly. Idk if it outweighs my current like of 261 though. I'll look back at her later.
I would have expected scum!Sakura based both on meta and me being the only one she's played with to enter the game by trying to pocket us rather than start adversarially: but maybe.

What does an alcoholic do? They beat their wife and then tell them they will never do it again.

I am not saying it is likely, but I def don't like that feel of it. It feels like something Espionage would do if Scum.

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm sorta lazy today to check ISOs.

Its been a while since I gave a real ISO are true go... Damn I am getting lazy -_-

[LicketyQuickety]

Creature does it not bother you that LUV is sidelining the conversation then throwing in shade at me by echoing you?
Also he's echoing something dumb. I came to a townread on Sakura because I liked 261 from having them as scum before so it's not like NOTHING is getting done here.
Is this like the most super productive fun time conversation ever? no. but I don't want to dismiss LQ's input outright either. What are you proposing I do differently?

What makes you think Uzi was trying to shade you there? If Uzi has a reason to suspect you he will say what his suspicions are openly. Though it is a bit concerning that he is playing so middle of the road.

[LicketyQuickety]

Uzi is sidelining everything. He's given no thoughts on the game. And yeah I feel like regurgitating Creature's comment was intended as a shade; how else was it intended?

"would you guys just shut up and play already?"

[LicketyQuickety]

Like unless LUV actively gets off on making the game less enjoyable for me I don't think that there is any reasonable chance that they are town this game.

That... is kinda extreme.

[LicketyQuickety]

M&M, how bad is your Town game?

[LicketyQuickety]

M&M, how bad is your Town game?

Each head or as a hydra?

-- Mail

All three. And your other hydra if you have one.

[LicketyQuickety]

RC's towngame is usually on point in terms of reads, but he gets mislynched a lot. I usually don't get lynched if I can avoid being lolwagoned on day 1, but I have no idea how I'd rate my reads since it depends on how I'm reading someone. I often get into derptunnels but I have certain kinds of gut scumreads that tend to be good and I'm learning to pay more attention to them.
As a hydra we haven't played enough games to draw any meaningful conclusions yet.

-- Mail

So am I wrong in thinking you have a second hydra with the same people? Don't understand the practical use in this myself, but you two are pretty weird so I can see it actually. Were you not in the Double Day Hydra game as a hydra together as a different name? I was Hydra with Nacho fwiw.

[LicketyQuickety]

I didn't see too much that was AI from Hawk. Whats the case on them? Simply because of one post?

[LicketyQuickety]

The ISO is just the surface of a giant iceberg.

LOL, k, you have my attention. Explain.

[LicketyQuickety]

You only need to take a single screenshot (unless it's long) to show your post. However, you need to record a video to show how you worked on your post.

Congrats, I have no idea what you are talking about. Can you just answer the question please?

[LicketyQuickety]

Oh btw, Hawk has six posts, not one.

Your point is...

Hawk didn't alert any alarm bells when I was reading their posts. I think I saw like a single thing that gave me pause, but that was about it.

[LicketyQuickety]

Hmm, i dont mind you having a feeling, but im wondering why SK feeling in particular instead of groupscum.

Because it looks like trying to play "Null." Asking basic shit that is low risk. SK wants to play null rather than Townie like Mafia because that keeps them alive longer.

If the last few games I've seen of Uzi are any indication this his PR/imma PR hit me first town game. Or at least that's what he says

Sorry posting on mobile so there was some auto correct in there.

Whenever I've seen Uzi play a more Null game he's usually either town that gets NK'd early cause people think he was a lurking PR. Or he's actually a PR. Also Uzi has said before that his PR play is very lurkery and null.

It's not a rolefish. Uzi does this as Vanilla Town too. But I've never played with him when he's scum so I don't know, I don't read to deep into meta but Uzi seems to follow his from what I have played with him.

Not enough for a vote IMO. I like my vote on momo currently.

[LicketyQuickety]

momo seemed town tbh

Matter of contention. Why? What was this Town tell that you saw?

[LicketyQuickety]

I am town because unlike waiting for some evidence to show up, I try and act on what is already there. I try and push forward and get a better read on people. I admit I am grasping at strings but there is not much else to grasp at. I am sorry I called you out as an SK earlier, clearly is not true. I thought if I called on people to join me, you might react. Clearly you are not the SK and happen to be town. I am sorry. Please just understand that the way I have been acting is just a matter of play style.

UNVOTE:

Link a game from off site.

[LicketyQuickety]

EpicMafia sucks to analyse.

That is not at all the point. I just want to make sure they are not lying saying they have played elsewhere when they have not. I am being extra cautious here, I know, but that's just how I play.

[LicketyQuickety]

@momo, what is your native language?

[LicketyQuickety]

Creature, you need to explain your shit more.

[LicketyQuickety]

Creature, you need to explain your shit more.

He townslipped somewhere, can you guess where?

I think slips are shit for the most part. Its like looking for PRs, I am just blind when it comes to that stuff. Point it out?

[LicketyQuickety]

He's being vague, not following through with his reads, etc. He voted us for being weird but when asked to explain changed his vote. He has no reasoning on Hawk other than the Iceberg thing which i believe means he thinks there is scummy motivation to the posts but isn't saying what it is or why he thinks it, and he tried to slip our wagon into the arguments there without doing any work and avoided the LQ/RC thing as if to slide by and not ruffle feathers of 2 townies fighting.

That's what I had for Alisae off the top of my head.
I like you two and want to make the most of Conftown Anti while we have you, so please weigh in

- O

If this is about Creature, this is pretty solid.

Creature has not impressed me so far.

[LicketyQuickety]

Also re-this:

i wouldn't make a multiball arguably-not-mafia game the gold standard for meta

Considering what i've heard about LQ's meta, seems to be the completely opposite of what i saw on Gistou since he got bused hard as well to the point i thought he was just town, it's making me very wary of him.

Really? I thought I played like shit that game.

[LicketyQuickety]

Pretty solid town me.

Nope, I don't think so.

[LicketyQuickety]

Among the reasons to scumread me, vague reads is one of the worst.

You are not explaining shit. Pmuch what I know of your Scum game, tbh.

[LicketyQuickety]

LQ is pretending to have knowledge on me.

I have played with you when you were Town and I have played with you when you were Scum.

Want to know the tell I have on you when you are Scum? If you are posting like this:



I know you are Scum.

[LicketyQuickety]

Alright LQ, you are still coming after me when I am clearly town. I have been trying to catch scum while you just try and lynch people purely based on principal. You don't scum read anyone. You just try and get people lynched purely because you disagree with their play style. Please, play for town like you clearly should be.

Why are you clearly Town? You have not actually done a whole lot to catch Scum. Why do you think I am just trying to lynch people based on principle? I Scum read lots of people and can see a lot of people being Scum in this game. Nope, I read people based on playstyle, I don't read people because of playstyle. Generic BS.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: LUV

sure let's do this.

Why?

[LicketyQuickety]

Same reason I was voting them earlier.

Which was? Why did you Switch off Hawk?

[LicketyQuickety]

Don't know about M and M but I was never really feeling the Hawk scum going around.

Didn't ask you.

[LicketyQuickety]

Wanted to see where this would go.

I still feel Hawk scum more but I'm down for a wagon on LUV to get him to do shit.

See, that wasn't so hard. Next time state your reason WHEN you vote so I don't have to ask you. Saves more steps for me.

[LicketyQuickety]

So LQ, Are you joining the wagon. I want to see Uzi's reaction. He had made no true commitments so fat. This is to force his hand.

I am not going to do something just because a few people want me to. And its not Scummy for me to think this way either.

#Anti-Sheep4Life

[LicketyQuickety]

This does not need to be permanent. We just want to force Uzi's hand. Come on. Don't you think his detachment is strange.

STFU. There are enough people on him to force him to contribute. If he comes back without shit then I might vote him.

[LicketyQuickety]

Chill LQ. You have the right to you vote and I respect that. Lets wait for Uzi's reaction and then we can move forward like civilized people. Okay.

I see, you just want me to take my vote off you. Makes more sense now.

[LicketyQuickety]

This is an alt. Have played on other sites before, not on this one. And for LQ I was just showing a gut feeling. Also, would a cunning person say they are cunning. I was playing like a noob so that the scum would let their guard down.

I consider that this could be a lie considering that your playstyle has not changed at all. You are still saying the same basic shit.

[LicketyQuickety]

What are you talking about.

I thought you unvoted me long ago.

Well, since this is unverifiable, forgive me if I don't just take your word for it.

[LicketyQuickety]

LQ just stop. You don't like me, that's okay. But right now you need to stop. You know, I might be acting scummy by your notions but there are still other people to read. So please leave me alone and try and read other people.

Oh, so I should just ignore my Scum read on you? Why is that? I thought you said I was entitled to my vote. So I can vote you but I can't pressure you? Do tell my why that is, thanks.

[LicketyQuickety]

Hawk, you were voting for Uzi earlier. Come back and join the wagon.

No, you can pressure me, but you should not devote your time solely at me.

Well, you are really the only other person posting right now and I am Scum reading you, so what would you do in my shoes?

[LicketyQuickety]

Okay...I see your point but it is kind of bugging me since it has been going on for 250+ posts.

SO Hawk, what do you think.

Are you on the same team as me.

I have done a lot more than tunnel you for 250 posts. I have looked at a lot of people. Its not all about you.

[LicketyQuickety]

momo be like:

[LicketyQuickety]

Could you tell me what these questions are.

Don't feel like rereading 486 posts.

Why should we have to do the work for you? I don't want to have to look through all my own posts. Just ISO both me and E&O.

[LicketyQuickety]

I never saw Aristophanes pretty aggressive and he knows he's pushing blatant NAI shit on me.

LQ should also know about it too.

I tend to be a bit more aggressive in hydrae because I have a head to bounce reads off of making me more confident, and because I don't want to let my hydra partner down.

LQ, that case was on Creature.

Also, apparently my vote didn't count (I mean, it was in my slip so I shouldn't be surprised) so even though Momo is being icky with the LUV wagon, I'm going to place it here.

VOTE: Creature

- O

What case was on creature?

[LicketyQuickety]

momo is way to appeasy for me to like what they are doing.

[LicketyQuickety]

As I said earlier, I am new to this site.

So, I have no idea what ISO is.

Scroll down to the bottom of the page. Look under where you can post. select one person form the drop down menu. then hit the little plus icon and it will give another place to select someone. when you have the people you want to ISO, hit the button to ISO.

[LicketyQuickety]

What case was on creature?

He's being vague, not following through with his reads, etc. He voted us for being weird but when asked to explain changed his vote. He has no reasoning on Hawk other than the Iceberg thing which i believe means he thinks there is scummy motivation to the posts but isn't saying what it is or why he thinks it, and he tried to slip our wagon into the arguments there without doing any work and avoided the LQ/RC thing as if to slide by and not ruffle feathers of 2 townies fighting.

That's what I had for Alisae off the top of my head.
I like you two and want to make the most of Conftown Anti while we have you, so please weigh in

- O

If this is about Creature, this is pretty solid.

Creature has not impressed me so far.

Yeah, Creature is kinda meh, same as Uzi, same as momo, same as KTS. Lot of people not pulling their weight in this game.

[LicketyQuickety]

Hawk, you were voting for Uzi earlier. Come back and join the wagon.

No, you can pressure me, but you should not devote your time solely at me.

As RVS I did. I think UZI is town.

VOTE: Creature Like I said I feel like the bit more of an effort feels fake. So it's lIke creatures town game only forced.

Earlier when I said it and I read him null it's because I have a hard time reading creature anyway.

But.

Creature why are you voting Uzi? What's your scumread on him of E&O are your top read?

WTF? How is Uzi Town?

FoS Hawk.

[LicketyQuickety]

I know LQ doesn't know my scumgame.

I have seen you play Scum. I have been in a game where you are Scum. Try that again?

[LicketyQuickety]

And I have to ask: Do you know my scumgame?

Just what I've read off your Wiki.

@everyone else -_- okay fine whatever don't listen to me. Uzi really hasn't given off a scummy vibe to me. He's playing like he normally does on his lurky town game.

Momo go dig into Uzi's meta some this is probably town Uzi.

I really do hate using Meta but with Uzi and Creature I've noticed a trend that they tend to follow it moreso than other players or at least not attempt to manipulate off of it.

Can you give examples for Uzi and Creature?

[LicketyQuickety]

I modded a game where Uzi was Vig and he shot 2/3 Scum that game, so I hold him to a high standard. He had good content as well. He's not a high volume poster, but what he does post is usually solid. I am not seeing those solid posts here.

[LicketyQuickety]

Creature no since I've never played with him to completion. I'm just going off what his wiki says about him and my gut.

Uzi here two completed town games of Uzi with me. One he was an obvious mason and two he was NKed Early as a lurky town slot just active enough to be townread.

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Pedit:
It's been like what 2 IRL days and I'll be honest reading through this thread my eyes glaze over I wouldn't be surprised if he just hasn't seen anything super substantiating.

Point to me where he's been scummy this game. lack of evidence is not evidence.

To me, he's not really Scummy, he's just very meh.

[LicketyQuickety]

Hawk's continued IIoA and insistence there's nothing for him to comment on reads scum to me.

-- Mail

I am not getting IIoA from Hawk.

[LicketyQuickety]

momo is way to appeasy for me to like what they are doing.

^i know. i got that too.^

the hefty dose of "look how reasonable and town i'm being" unsettles me a little.

i just don't know if that feeling's caused by a difference in site culture between here and EM or what

Its prolly mostly a playstyle thing, but it still has me worried that they are doing it as Scum.

[LicketyQuickety]

I don't take LAMIST so serious anymore.

You ignored my retort.

[LicketyQuickety]

Point to me where he's been scummy this game. lack of evidence is not evidence.

interactions w music and mail

stuff like this:

Hey Music and Mail, are you scumhunting or just arguing with LQ?

Echo.

pings me bc it feels like he's poking rc JUST ENOUGH to provoke a reaction but stays out of the way of the spatter when the shit hits the fan.

i'm also just in general not really liking his push on music and mail

What's your history like reading those two form that hydra?

[LicketyQuickety]

i've played w postie once and i don't rly remember much of her except she was guiltied on d2 as scum

rc i chronically tend to misread as scum when he's actually town

:/

>.<

[LicketyQuickety]

I think Momo saw an experienced player trying to either create a distraction or plant a seed.

I would second this idea but I get the feeling Momo is just new.

@Momo what's your experience with forum Mafia?

I do actually like this here.

I can't help feeling that M&M is trying to get Hawk Scumread because Hawks tone is bad.

[LicketyQuickety]

don't make vague faces at me...

Sorry, just doesn't instill a whole lot of confidence that you can read them well. That's really all that means.

[LicketyQuickety]

@_@

I think Momo saw an experienced player trying to either create a distraction or plant a seed.

I would second this idea but I get the feeling Momo is just new.

@Momo what's your experience with forum Mafia?

I do actually like this here.

I can't help feeling that M&M is trying to get Hawk Scumread because Hawks tone is bad.

I mean you're not wrong. I don't like Hawk's tone and that's part of the reason I want other people to scumread them. Were you saying that like it's a bad thing?

LQ are you really just gonna sit there and discredit everyone's townreads on us?

I mean c'mon if ANTIHERO townreads us it should be like a mod confirmation that I'm town.

I get paranoid against good players when I am Town. I will hopefully eventually be able to Town read you, but that prolly won't come till much later in the game (if you're Town).

[LicketyQuickety]

don't make vague faces at me...

Sorry, just doesn't instill a whole lot of confidence that you can read them well. That's really all that means.

gimme a break

mafia is hard

I can agree with you there. You replaced into an IC spot... that can be a lot of pressure, I get it.

[LicketyQuickety]

The Hawk votes I didn't understand either. He's trying to help people read me because the scum reads on me are painfully weak. There is no motivation for him to blatantly white knight me and vote someone who's extremely hard to lynch in Creature.

This post isn't bad.

I didn't know Creature was hard to lynch. Can you talk more about that?

[LicketyQuickety]

hm...

i feel like i'm on the wrong track

UNVOTE:

I've been feeling that way about most of my games recently. Is that normal? I just feel off.

[LicketyQuickety]

Last few posts from Uzi have been pretty good.

Makes me Sus of Hawk knowing Uzi was Town and getting credit for it since I wasn't crazy about their reasons for Town reading him.

[LicketyQuickety]

Guide me to scum.

I'm sorry, could you be a little more ambiguous?

[LicketyQuickety]

Tell me who is a good wagon.

I am kinda leaning on a Hawk wagon right now. I have mixed feeling about momo, but I think those feelings can be put on pause for a day or two since I think momo is going to be forced to show their true colors sometime in this game.

VOTE: Hawk

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: KTS

Charl and Kop lurking isn't surprising.

You seriously need to stop ignoring people, even if you are Town.

[LicketyQuickety]

Last few posts from Uzi have been pretty good.

Makes me Sus of Hawk knowing Uzi was Town and getting credit for it since I wasn't crazy about their reasons for Town reading him.

LicketyQuickety's PoV:

Hmmm Hawk townreads Uzi because of meta and not seeing any reason to scum read him.

Uzi makes some good posts

Oh okay I can see why Uzi might be town. Wait but that means Hawk was on the right track. MUST BE SCUM!

I think the order of events in important here.

[LicketyQuickety]

Also not hot on a Sakura wagon. Anyone want to give me a concise case?

- O

IDK, but they are not even here right now so it has me worried.

[LicketyQuickety]

lq being blindingly obvious town and sakura not acknowledging that sort of makes me question but i don't really feel her as a d1 lynch

I just don't want Sakura to slide by later in the game.

[LicketyQuickety]

@LQ: It was sort of the feeling i got from their posts at game start. I can go into depth later but for now:

So are you claiming an actual scumread on me? You think you sorted most cunning manipulator RC on page 6 of the game? Damn you're good.
There are many, Postie included, who would love to attend a seminar that you would run explaining how you divined the secrets of my elusive scumplay.
-Music

What, the literal, fuck.
>Gets scumread
>You cant be scumreading me coz im THE MOST CUNNING MANIPULATOR.
I wasnt even aware that you had that title now, but holy hell, what i remember from town you is getting mislynched a lot, not BS defenses like this.
VOTE: M&M

IDK, this reads pretty genuine.

[LicketyQuickety]

Yeah, I have a Town read on Sakura after a quick ISO.

[LicketyQuickety]

Wagon on Sakura is shit.

[LicketyQuickety]

I feel like we should just lynch one of the lurkers to see what happens at this point. They are not contributing to the town, so even if on some odd chance they are not scum, we are at no real loss.

This is unless someone has an actual scum read they feel like moving on.

If so, I am more than happy to hop on a wagon.

EOD isn't for like 12 days, relax.

I am feeling better and better about my Scum read on momo.

[LicketyQuickety]

Reads:

Town:
Anti
E&O
Sakura
Uzi

Feel pretty confident about these.

[LicketyQuickety]

ok so

1) RC is in this game
2) RC said to vote Hawk
3) RC is RC

and that just about covers why Hawk should have been lynched yesterday. questions?

GTFO of here with this shit. Its really starting to piss me off. You are not Gods gift to Mafia, so just stop.

[LicketyQuickety]

Hey RC why do you scum read me?

Creature why don't you like E&O?

Also Momo, M&M called Anti scum if you think he's town you should vote M&M. They also voted Sakura who is town remember she thinks anti's town too. :p

Def don't like the way you are trying to coerce momo here.

[LicketyQuickety]

Hey RC why do you scum read me?

Creature why don't you like E&O?

Also Momo, M&M called Anti scum if you think he's town you should vote M&M. They also voted Sakura who is town remember she thinks anti's town too. :p

Def don't like the way you are trying to coerce momo here.

Shhhhhhh lq don't tell momo but he seems to have forgotten that Anti is the IC. Thus the joke.

Why are you Scum reading Creature?

[LicketyQuickety]

ur taking ppl too seriously, lq

i really do want to know what i did that momo found scummy though

I like taking people seriously. I'm no good at jokes so I play mafia instead :p

[LicketyQuickety]

I don't know what I said but I think you are not scum. Sorry if I wrote something else down.

Its stuff like this that I think is just Scummy af. That is not an answer to the question!!! That is you completely changing what you said with absolutely no reasons given. That can't fly in a Mafia game!

[LicketyQuickety]

I mean seriously, who the hell is that dismissive on EM and gets away with it! I have played on several sites where day length is much shorter than here and I can honestly say, that kind of shit shout not fly on ANY Mafia site. Its like momo is not even trying for Christs sake!

[LicketyQuickety]

what i meant was that at the time of asking, I thought anti was town too. Damn, just realized how messed up that sounds.

Tell me one good reasons why I should believe you? I'm serious here. You have been doing this shit all game long. Its getting to border on the unbelievable for me, honestly. I cannot believe you are a vet and play like this.

momo should just be lynched, end of discussion. If you have a playstyle that is so different from the norm, you get lynched a lot day one; you take your bruises and lumps and improve. And I say this as someone who had to go through that exact procedure.

[LicketyQuickety]

And this is what I was saying earlier LQ. Going against people purely based on principle.

And Hawk nailed it. Nobody is going to be like the IC is scum.

I can't even right now...

[LicketyQuickety]

So what you are trying to say is that you have no reasons.

To everyone else: Is it possible that M and M is scum.

This looks like you are Scum hunting your Scum buddie TBH.

[LicketyQuickety]

Persivul
Hawk
Kop
Charloux
Killthestory

Don't let these players fly under the radar.

I agree with this and I like this comment because of the timing especially.

[LicketyQuickety]

He might be defending his scumbuddy.

LQ you should just vote Hawk and shush

My vote IS on Hawk.

This game is giving me a headache.

[LicketyQuickety]

M and M. Please explain solid reasons on why you would like us to vote Hawk.

I was pretty sure Anti was town too.

And neutral, are you admitting to being the SK.

This is like the ONLY Scum hunting we have seen from momo right? I hate pre-flip, but I am starting to consider momo RC Scum team.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: Hawk

I like you 27.4% more now.

I am past the point where I am going to ridicule you for throwing out BS percentages because you are doing it on purpose to fuck with me.

[LicketyQuickety]

I hate to break it to you LQ but hunting your own buddy decreases our chances for winning. Especially when they have no votes on them.

Its called distancing and if you HAD played the game before, you would know what I was talking about.

[LicketyQuickety]

Even if I was scum, it is ridiculously unlikely with M and M as my buddy.

Obvious question that you are prolly not going to give me a strait answer: why?

And also, these percentages just seem to have the purpose to make himself seem smarter/more important to town.

I'm not even going to go there.

[LicketyQuickety]

Only town posted in this page.

Where are scum?

You realize that if Scum try to lurk their way through this game they have no chance of winning right?

[LicketyQuickety]

I still think Uzi could be SK.

[LicketyQuickety]

And this is what I was saying earlier LQ. Going against people purely based on principle.

And Hawk nailed it. Nobody is going to be like the IC is scum.

apartment clock junkyard aerobatic brick swollen jump blush ideal chart fuel poetry aftertaste blackheart bluster atrocities mutant boast small ether riot honeymoon warm flatness cricket mix democracy hectic dozens disciple

also, yes

Yeah, principle. Well, over

HERE

@

MafiaScum

we

GENERALLY

are

NOT

COMPLETELY

INCOMPETENT.

[LicketyQuickety]

True...many times detached=third party.

SK has to think only for themselves.

I thought you(LQ)were the one supporting Uzi during the wagon. What changed your mind.

And antihero, what does that mean in momotounge(English).

And Hawk, why is your vote still on me.

I saw him giving some good info. Then I realized he could do this as SK so I wen't back to thinking he could be SK.

In short, if there is only one kill tonight, I'm more than happy to give Uzi a Town read, at least temporarily.

[LicketyQuickety]

Maybe momo is just... fruity?

[LicketyQuickety]

Maybe momo is just... fruity?

What does that mean.

Same with Creature btw. (Now here is someone enjoyable to play with.)

OK, for the first time I believe you played on EM. So at least I can believe that much about you.

[LicketyQuickety]

Lol Hawk. Playing with you on 676 and then playing with you here. This is going to be so confusing.

You are not allowed to refer to ongoing games. That's relatively tame but don't do it again.

Echo echo this.

UNVOTE: Bleh when this game livens up more than RC screaming from her hydra that She is God's gift to mafia and starts actually having some real discussion I'll weigh in again.

Didn't i ask you why you were Scum reading Creature? If I didn't I'd like an answer why you were.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: Momo Haha no... why lie about ithe? like your reasoning makes no sense. I would have believed you forgot or didn't pay attention to the replace before I would believe autocorrect or you meant to say "I think he's town too" like of couse he's town.

Lol Hawk. Playing with you on 676 and then playing with you here. This is going to be so confusing.

You are not allowed to refer to ongoing games. That's relatively tame but don't do it again.

Echo echo this.

UNVOTE: Bleh when this game livens up more than RC screaming from her hydra that She is God's gift to mafia and starts actually having some real discussion I'll weigh in again.

Don't like this unvote, honestly.

Hawk why did you unvote momo?

[LicketyQuickety]

Is it just me or is RC just working total bull right now.

Reasons come when I feel like it.

I will act like I am better than you because it is true.

Everything will be for my own, unrevealed reasons.

Is it just me or is this obvscum.

That is EXACTLY why I have a problem with RCs meta.

[LicketyQuickety]

alright is there a point where I can start policy lynching the peanut gallery?

Why are you talking about PLing?

[LicketyQuickety]

LQ I HAVE ALREADY GIVEN A REASON FOR HAWK. I HAVE NOT GIVEN A _FULL_ CASE ON HAWK BUT I GAVE A REASON. EVERYTHING ELSE IS FULLY FLESHED OUT.

WHY ARE YOU LOSING YOUR SHIT BECAUSE I AM LETTING THE GAME PLAY ITSELF OUT BEFORE PUSHING A WAGON THAT I KNOW WILL END ITSELF IN A LYNCH?

HAWK IS SCUM. END STORY. HAWK IS LYNCHED TODAY. END STORY. I WANT TO WATCH PEOPLE INTERACT WHILE HAWK IS ALIVE. STOP BEING A DOLT

Stop talking in all caps, its annoying.

I asked you why you were talking about PLs.

[LicketyQuickety]

Transparent Hawk/Momo scumteam with Momo hard chainsawing Hawk and riding the coattails of LQ's stupidity to get traction on it.

Why are you so sure? (I really should not have to ask this)

[LicketyQuickety]

And LQ's stupidity. No matter what you are trying to say, LQ is probably one of the if not the smartest player in this game. He stays calm and detached while not being ridiculous.

M and M, you are denying talking because of pressure. Grace under pressure is what Mafia is about. You do not possess this trait and don't want to be lynched for being obvscum.

LOL. I nearly flipped my shit because of you earlier.

[LicketyQuickety]

hey m and m would it make you happy if I sheeped you

i mean I probably won't sheep u on momo but yknow ill sheep u not on hawk either... Hmm I'll sheep u on another person

@momo, lol stop wking lq and focus on actual game shit. i could give a fuck less the dudes iq but his play is stupid.

Nope, I am just a Power Player, not stupid, but not particularly brilliant either.

[LicketyQuickety]

So you'll sheep me but not on scum? yeah that's helpful dude.

No problem

@lq, again i don't care but your play isn't smart. No more flipping shit please

OK, honestly I'm a bit pissed that you think my play is stupid, but I'm always open for feedback on how to play better. What am I not doing that you think I should be doing?

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Also currently at the moment this entire back and forth with all of you is TvT. Scum are laying low, but you're all too stubborn to see that. Except RC, but we can PL RC whenever I feel like it since I don't trust my reads on them when they're aggressive.

haha, very funny. I NOT that dumb.

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like what the fuck do you think gives you the right to say that you can policy lynch me because you're too shit to read me? what kind of gameplay is that

Sound familiar?

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So you'll sheep me but not on scum? yeah that's helpful dude.

No problem

@lq, again i don't care but your play isn't smart. No more flipping shit please

OK, honestly I'm a bit pissed that you think my play is stupid, but I'm always open for feedback on how to play better. What am I not doing that you think I should be doing?

I'm not saying in general I'm saying right now. Getting frustrated and being stubborn like RC is displaying only leads you down the wrong path. I'm sure you're a smart guy, but there comes a mindset with being smart that you must have to be good. That is the mindset of pure enjoyment when playing, not of getting frustrated. Sorry if I'm confusing.

@momo, oh ok
@rc, oh ok

@lq, not that you're dumb but you're all stubborn and angry. That makes a bad combo

I'm actually not as pissed as I say I am. I mostly use aggression as a tactic to read people. Like I said before, I read people at least in part based on their emotions. So its really half me being pissed and half me playing that up as a play. I don't get how momo can be so oblivious about some things and then have the insight to say I am "detached" but detached is kinda my default. *shrug*

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hey m and m would it make you happy if I sheeped you

i mean I probably won't sheep u on momo but yknow ill sheep u not on hawk either... Hmm I'll sheep u on another person

@momo, lol stop wking lq and focus on actual game shit. i could give a fuck less the dudes iq but his play is stupid.

@Anti, can you sorta see this as a rf from KTS?

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VOTE: Momo Haha no... why lie about ithe? like your reasoning makes no sense. I would have believed you forgot or didn't pay attention to the replace before I would believe autocorrect or you meant to say "I think he's town too" like of couse he's town.

Lol Hawk. Playing with you on 676 and then playing with you here. This is going to be so confusing.

You are not allowed to refer to ongoing games. That's relatively tame but don't do it again.

Echo echo this.

UNVOTE: Bleh when this game livens up more than RC screaming from her hydra that She is God's gift to mafia and starts actually having some real discussion I'll weigh in again.

Don't like this unvote, honestly.

Hawk why did you unvote momo?

Because even tho Momo is clearly scum, unaware of site rules, not paying attention to who the IC is and I place a vote on it and even manage to pull forward his crap I'm still being scumread by the queen bee herself. So what's the point? if she's gonna push my lynch no matter what why not unvote?

I'll put it back on if we get actual traction towards actual cases instead me being tone read as scum and pulled down by associatives from Momo.

Also Momo your push against Music is hilariously bad she's town. Her scum hunt against Sakura and subsequent reactions feel pretty towny to me. Even her objectively large bias towards me is town. Because here's the thing she just has to take a stance and stick to it here. She tone reads me as scum, whether she's right or wrong she can sit and let everyone else dance around me and watch. If I flip town oh well that sucks but at least she can see who did what when and where. If shes right and I flip scum then bam she's got associatives by people chainsawing, Wking, or distancing from me. So it's a solid all round place to be.

Creature felt like he was faking the effort earlier so I can see scum there but I may just be reading him wrong.

LicketyQuickety is town and so is Sakura from the limited amount I've seen putting 1 scum most likely in

Momo, KTS, and E&O.

I'll vote Momo again because objectively him forgetting IC making comments like he did regarding his stance feels pretty scummy to me but I want others to vote him first since everyone else is just bowing to the queen right now anyway. Asside from Momo I don't think anyone else has SR M&M.

Well I don't Town read M&M.

But I don't get why you say "aside from momo I don't think anyone else has a SR on M&M." What is the significance of that?

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what is rf srry I'm not familiar with the new cool kid lingo

@rc, oh cool
@hawk, hey you're playing preflip associations and that's a deck of cards

Role Fish. I meant when you said my play wasn't smart you could have been looking for a particular reaction to see if I was a PR or not.

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KTS what do you mean I'm playing Preflip associations?

Momo feels like scum to me. Objectively. Objectively Music has stated that a reason she is pushing my lynch is because of my tone. Whether she's right or not she also has stated she wants to pressure me to watch other people dance around me because it gives her a better idea of how people are playing while I'm alive. I'm not the one playing with Preflip associations here. M&M is the one setting up a lynch and trying to get those associations going so she can lead tomorrow. It's not a bad idea or strategum it just sucks that I was called out for being tone read.

@M&M you first.

And... you think M&M is TOWN for this? WTF? Why?

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Alright Hawk, M and M is not town. They are just so defensive it is ridiculous. And they do not even have good defenses.

Also, M and M lynching people because of tone is a scum thing to do. Scum does not care which townie they lynch on D1, they just want to make the desperation in between minority and majority a little less noticeable. Music is showing all the signs of being scum.

you are making this un-fun for me because I feel like I am forced to explain basic shit to you.

Defensive =/= Scum

Tone is a perfectly reasonable reason to Scum read someone IF YOU CAN EXPLAIN IT.

Scum most certainly

should

go into the game with a plan on who is lynch bait and who they think they can lynch safely. If conversation in NOT available during pre-game, then they are going to be PR hunting and then trying to run them up to force a claim.

I have no idea what you mean when you say they want to make the desperation between minority and majority a little less noticeable. Explain.

I agree that M&M is showing all the signs of being Scum but unfortunately that is their meta as both Town and Scum.

Re: LQ's intelligence. I AM smart, but I have very bad impulse control. There are a few people in this game who are or probably are better than me at Mafia. Names that come to mind are: RC (Scum game), Anti, KTS (haven't played with him, but he seems to be pretty solid) Uzi (saw him play in one of the games I modded) out of the people who have posted enough to get a feel for in this game.

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KTS what do you mean I'm playing Preflip associations?

Momo feels like scum to me. Objectively. Objectively Music has stated that a reason she is pushing my lynch is because of my tone. Whether she's right or not she also has stated she wants to pressure me to watch other people dance around me because it gives her a better idea of how people are playing while I'm alive. I'm not the one playing with Preflip associations here. M&M is the one setting up a lynch and trying to get those associations going so she can lead tomorrow. It's not a bad idea or strategum it just sucks that I was called out for being tone read.

@M&M you first.

And... you think M&M is TOWN for this? WTF? Why?

Because as Scum it draws too much attention. If she lives a day good for town if she lives two days town questions why she's alive or looks for PR. If she's leading the town and manages to lynch any scum she should be a large threat and get NK'd no questions asked. No scum player in there right mind plays this strat LQ.

From what I understand about the game of Mafia and RCs ability to play Scum very proficiently, I feel if RC makes it past D1 they prolly are really hard to lynch. Also, RC is the typ of player who absolutely THRIVES on that kind of play as Scum.

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im honored u think I'm good by the way but rc is right I'm trash

that doesn't mean i won't push whoever the fuck I want to tho

LOL

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I have no idea what you mean when you say they want to make the desperation between minority and majority a little less noticeable. Explain.

What I am trying to say is that in D1, scum would be happy to get a town lynch. It buffs up the odds of a scum win. Unless they can somehow manipulate everyone into a certain lynch, they will be happy with what they get.

Pro tip: Statistically Scum have a WORSE chance winning if Scum is lynched Day 1.

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Exactly why they would be happy to lynch anyone who is not one of them.

Humina.

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KTS what do you mean I'm playing Preflip associations?

Momo feels like scum to me. Objectively. Objectively Music has stated that a reason she is pushing my lynch is because of my tone. Whether she's right or not she also has stated she wants to pressure me to watch other people dance around me because it gives her a better idea of how people are playing while I'm alive. I'm not the one playing with Preflip associations here. M&M is the one setting up a lynch and trying to get those associations going so she can lead tomorrow. It's not a bad idea or strategum it just sucks that I was called out for being tone read.

@M&M you first.

And... you think M&M is TOWN for this? WTF? Why?

Because as Scum it draws too much attention. If she lives a day good for town if she lives two days town questions why she's alive or looks for PR. If she's leading the town and manages to lynch any scum she should be a large threat and get NK'd no questions asked. No scum player in there right mind plays this strat LQ.

From what I understand about the game of Mafia and RCs ability to play Scum very proficiently, I feel if RC makes it past D1 they prolly are really hard to lynch. Also, RC is the typ of player who absolutely THRIVES on that kind of play as Scum.

Objectively I don't think that makes RC a better player but simply that when they play scum town is too weak to push back. But I'll note this for later. I still see that type of play as scum almost suicidal. RC is clearly taking a strong leader role d1 if she's actually capable of taking that role as scum and thriving in it more power to RC and I hope to be that good of a scum player one day.

But it's like that saying if you keep telling a lie big enough and repeatedly enough it becomes truth. If you think this behavior is scummy and RC can thrive in it then it becomes truth.

I don't accept that as truth I think that RC is smarter than that and doesn't play exactly the same way as scum it would be to risky. But I haven't played with RC so this is all speculation. I still think this is town RC.

Also RC I'm an idiot I missed you were voting Momo and said you first lol.

VOTE: Momo

What I just do not for the life of me get is why you just lay down and die when RC pushes you. This does not make sense to me at all. I can see Scum doing this, but not when you are telling momo that the day is young, which goes back to my first point of why the hell are you just letting RC put pressure on you knowing that RC could very well change their mind?

I don't like the feel of this. I felt my original case on RC still stands so I am going to:

VOTE: Music and Mail

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viewtopic.php?p=8915037#p8915037

For reference.

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And before anyone tells me my case is shit I have a habit of making "bad cases" on actual Scum.

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What are you talking about laying down and dying? I'm not laying down and dying. Also what do you want me to do bash my head into RC's over and over when I townread them? Like I've asked for objective based reasons and case. I've engaged with other people. I voted creature because I thought his play felt forced, I voted Momo because I honestly think his play had been shit since he shrugged off that newbish vibe early. I engage with you I try and engage with RC but still am scumread. I am by no means laying down and dying. if RC changes her read on me it's gonna because my play has improved. Trying to push back against her when I think her play is town is just gonna fuel a yelling match between two Town players while scummy players get to slither on by.

I mean has Charloux, Percival, E&O, or like the other 3-5 players we haven't seen posted in the last 10 pages anything worth commenting?

pedit: Okay that explains Perci I didn't notice he had replaced.

Still where is everybody else I feel like most of this conversation has been LQ, mm, and momo and me.

You literally basically implied that you WERE getting lynched and that "It just sucks that RC picked me to tunnel... blah blah reasons for why it makes RC Town"

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I think KTS is Town.

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everything is perception based

This should not be ignored. Good shit.

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Hey LQ guess how many times I've been lynched day 1 as scum.

0

That number for town is like 10.
So let's say everything you hope and dream of happens and you get this wagon going. What do you think is more likely.
that THIS TOWN with all the people in it is somehow the so good that it managed to be the

first

town to ever lynch RC D1
or that you're just all morons jumping on town.
You're wasting your fucking time if I'm scum but since I'm town you're helping scum. don't be helping scum.

This comes across as really fucking manipulative, did you know that?

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Also, the first time is the best and I wouldn't mind being THE person who has lead the first D1 lynch on Scum!RC.

Its worth the risk IMO:

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His thought process is all over the place showing no actual rational reasoning or displaying it anyway why he is so willing to move on and off of wagons readily. I understand being open and spread as town but he doesn't sit on a wagon for more than a few hours KTS please tell me how this is fucking town.

Tell me how forming a push on someone like creature for a reason then abandoning it for a secondary push then when met with resistance abandons it again for a tertiary push all in the span of 5 hours makes him fucking town.

Honestly, this sounds like me... when I am Town...

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So why is it that ppl think RC is scum? i seem to have missed it, i think it was something about Policy Lynches or wanting Hawk dead, but im not 100% sure.

Its complicated..

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plus just to stroke my own ego I think I've only been lynched day 1 like twice lol

I've been lynched 8 times day 1

Spoiler:

In my first 16 games

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you're the fucking problem with people[/quote]

Yes, I am terrible, I understand.

But why?

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you're the fucking problem with people

Yes, I am terrible, I understand.

But why?

EBWOP

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VOTE: LQ

Spoiler:

OMGUS

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Also is there a way to ISO two players at one time?

Yes use the buttons at the bottom, choose a username then add + and add another username for a double ISO.

Did I not explain this already?

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Wait a second

Momo said it was their first game on here? I consider that a newbie since other sites metas aren't as developed as this one is

Errr... Kina? MS IS more polished and established, but different sites DO have their own well defined Meta. I've played on like 9-10 sited I think.

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Wait a second

Momo said it was their first game on here? I consider that a newbie since other sites metas aren't as developed as this one is

Errr... Kina? MS IS more polished and established, but different sites DO have their own well defined Meta. I've played on like 9-10 sited I think.

I also started Mafia on a site as well.

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Yeah, that's fair, but I think if they came from a site that was more developed they wouldn't be so confounded by RC being defensive and abrasive

Errr... This site is pretty tame actually. There are some sites that are much much worse and some that don't tolerate ANY ad homs at all.

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Also, the first time is the best and I wouldn't mind being THE person who has lead the first D1 lynch on Scum!RC.

Its worth the risk IMO

Do you even have any idea how fucking selfish and egotistical saying "I want to lynch you because the feeling of satisfaction I'll get from lynching scum!RC day 1 on the slim chance that it could happen is more important to me than properly playing to my wincon or allowing you to play the game or get any enjoyment from it" is?
If this is your mindset then replace out and don't join a game with me or RC in it ever again.

-- Mail

It was tongue in cheek. You didn't get that from the gif? RC gave a BS reason so I threw a BS Post right back at him.

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It was tongue in cheek. You didn't get that from the gif? RC gave a BS reason so I threw a BS Post right back at him.

If it was a joke it was literally the worst joke you could have made since RC has hypothesised for some time that that kind of attitude is why he gets mislynched so frequently. And I would agree to some extent.
Please don't do that again.

-- Mail

I am not going to apologise for giving in kind. If RC keeps giving shit responses about how its impossible that they can get lynched Day 1 as Scum they will get more of the same.

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I am not going to apologise for giving in kind. If RC keeps giving shit responses about how its impossible that they can get lynched Day 1 as Scum they will get more of the same.

Or how about you prioritise your wincon above feeling smug.

-- Mail

It has nothing to do with me getting off on feeling smug.

RC is haughty, arrogant and that is not even a proper argument.

this is what it looks like on the simplest level:

LQ: RC, you are Scum

RC: If I was Scum you wouldn't be Scum reading me

LQ: You have done X, Y, Z Scummy behaviors

RC: I am God and can't be lynched Day 1 as Scum

LQ: That's not a proper argument

RC: LQ you are bad at this game and if you pressure me I am going to make sure you are lynched

LQ: How does that make you Town? I thought you were Town reading me. Why am I Scum for Scum reading you?

RC: Because I am God and can't be lynched Day 1 as Scum

LQ: I like my vote.

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I have a gut town lean on momo

has momo posted recently?