Open 677: See Nayne Ples Ples [THE END]

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VOTE: creature

Never seen him trying this hard. Not sure might be scum.

-music

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I am Titus. *farts*

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Let's play a game where we don't vote the RC hydra for stupid reasons on day 1 and I don't get tilted by it.

-music

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VOTE: LQ

Creature I will lynch you if you keep this up.

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^Music

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LQ you are really obvious scum.

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Actually I just spent a while metaing you and a whole bunch of things that are scumtells for normal people are either NAI or towntells for you. We're good for now.

VOTE: Creature

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Mail has not posted in thread yet and she is the one who is better at signing consistently so if it's unsigned you can assume that it's me.
I actually for some reason mixed up LQ and EE when I was making a comparison to something EE did in Slavic 2 but then I realized that it wasn't.
LQ this game has been spastic and extremely posturey and usually that kind of stuff is scumtells but as far as I've read into his scum meta they're absent from his scum meta and he does it constantly as town.
So like it still comes across as insincere to me but given LQ's mislynch rate I suspect it comes across as insincere to everyone and I suggest he tones it down; but that's beside the point.
Town this game unless something happens to make me reevaluate.

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Okay, Creature. how is your policy lynch going so far?

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Idk like LQ is really bland and neutral tone-y and kinda inanimate as scum. I read stuff like 'makes me want to blurt out in laughter' as over the top posturing but that doesn't seem as likely from this specific player as scum.
There's also a lot of 'scumhunting' stuff that I don't like, like calling Persivul out for 2 posts which makes no sense and the whole assuming newbness but it's not like, alignment indicative necessarily I guess?

-Music

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lol RC using someone putting effort as a scum tell.

Yeah, we could policy lynch Music and Mail.

VOTE: Music and Mail

So are you claiming an actual scumread on me? You think you sorted most cunning manipulator RC on page 6 of the game? Damn you're good.
There are many, Postie included, who would love to attend a seminar that you would run explaining how you divined the secrets of my elusive scumplay.
-Music

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I'm saying that you can't read me and may think you can but can't. Being able to correctly identify me as scum means nothing if you're always identifying me as scum.
There's a difference between being able to tell the difference and being able to label me scum every game and it's not hard to do the latter. Most people in general do the latter.
This is a thing I don't feel like dealing with right now and Postie townreads you so I probably can't sway her into trying to lynch you for annoying me so I'll just ignore you.

VOTE: Hawk

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We're discussing the game on skype. She's going to post when we're caught up. Hawk vote is tentative but I'm rather happy with it tbh.

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pls don't make RC go into hulk mode it makes him bad at the game

What I was trying to say is that you are trying to convince us to not lynch you just because you claim to be a vanilla townie. For all we know you could be lying.

Hi momo
Why did you say "vanilla townie" as opposed to "townie"? It feels awkward.

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The reason Potsie has a good Scum game is because people like you and you come across as non-threatening.

Also lol @ literally everything about this sentence.

-- Mail

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Okay. Why are you scumreading us?

-- Mail

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Is RC being an opportunistic follower consistent with anything you know about him?

Because you used the idea of distracting me from momo by voting for me with no reason given. Then when you knew I wasn't just going to turn around and vote you, you changed your read on me immediately.

Please explain this further because I don't understand what you're saying.

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Why are you scumreading us?

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So when you ask us for an explanation for our vote that's perfectly fine but when we ask you for an explanation of your vote on someone you know doesn't like being voted for shitty reasons it's too early in the morning?

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VOTE: LUV we can do this then.

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I will say this though, you seem more focused on proving people wrong than actually scum hunting.

What does this mean?

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I don't at all like how LUV is feigning casualness and making gif posts to try to downplay the fact that they're voting us when momentum is actually forming.
Their single point on us makes no sense whatsoever. We are literally the only slot in this game who has done any actual scumhunting in this game. We've told people voting us that they're being shit. That's standard.

LUV would have known that this would piss me off. They would have known that I would react negatively to all this. I don't think that this setup is coincidental nor that it's town motivated.

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We were on Hawk because I hated iso post #6. It's hugely IIOA as opposed to actual content and even in that IIOA it's a ton of waffling. It feels like the kind of post scum makes about scum, too: which is why I'm perfectly comfortable jumping over to LUV. Obviously it's early and either or none of them may be scum but I don't like the way this game is playing out.

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Like unless LUV actively gets off on making the game less enjoyable for me I don't think that there is any reasonable chance that they are town this game.

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WRT hawk Post #5. their sixth post.

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LQ you are really fucking bad please do town a favour and stop posting.

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That's not an argument. I didn't say you were wrong because you were a bad player. I said that you're a bad player because you're wrong.

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Is RC being an opportunistic follower consistent with anything you know about him?

I'm not sure how to respond to that wall other than to requote this question. Like, you have played with RC in other games. You should know that being cautious and backing off when under pressure is something he never does ever. If he had wanted to push a lynch on you he certainly wouldn't have waited for someone else to vote you first. Jfc LQ.

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Also not providing arguments and lack of transparency aren't even remotely scumtells so you can stop using that as a reason to tunnel us.

-- Mail

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I said that you should stop posting because what you are currently doing is incredibly pro-scum on many different levels if you're scum.
If I were scum I can lynch you and walk away from that and you are a lynchbaity enough player to know that.

You are pushing the angle that I am scum because I did things that weak scum players would do but that have no scum motivation at my level. Stop.
Like why do I give a fuck about what your reasons are do you think that if there's not going to be 2-4 scum to hop on my wagon that anyone will take you seriously?

Meta reads are mostly shit. Besides, its a lot easier to read someone based on what you know about their personality than what exactly they would do as Town or Scum. That is about all meta reads are good for according to me.

Dear fucking lord should I lynch you for your shit case and your terrible posturing then?

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its a lot easier to read someone based on what you know about their personality than what exactly they would do as Town or Scum. That is about all meta reads are good for according to me.

That's exactly my point though. This doesn't fit with RC's personality. At all. Which is why this isn't ever how he approaches the game.

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Except that RC scum only doesn't provide arguments some of the time as scum because I'm imitating my town meta. I have no issues producing cases as scum on anyone.

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Okay. Why are you scumreading us?

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RC now sees its too risky not to ask why I think this so jumps the gun on asking themselves what the reasons are so as to not be able to have that used against them.

Btw is the implication here that we're telepathic and I jumped in to rescue RC after sensing his fear because if so that's mildly hilarious.

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Also not providing arguments and lack of transparency aren't even remotely scumtells so you can stop using that as a reason to tunnel us.

-- Mail

Nope. On principle they ARE Scum tells because if you allow people to not have to provide arguments and not be transparent then we end up with people like RC who gets away with a ton of shit as Scum for that sole reason.

Right so it's NAI and you want to policy lynch him for it rather than trying to actually change that and work with us.

-- Mail

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We were on Hawk because I hated iso post #6. It's hugely IIOA as opposed to actual content and even in that IIOA it's a ton of waffling. It feels like the kind of post scum makes about scum, too: which is why I'm perfectly comfortable jumping over to LUV. Obviously it's early and either or none of them may be scum but I don't like the way this game is playing out.

Read pretty honest and insightful to me. He also was just clarifying something.

Then why are you still voting us?

-- Mail

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Who says you have to be telepathic? You are talking on Skype right now.

RC: Postie help I think if I ask LQ why he's scumreading us I'll look like scum
Postie: Oh no I will ask instead

Yes this is a conversation that happened

-- Mail

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Okay I'll just boil things down to this for you, LQ:

Have you ever seen RC...?

• Show fear as scum
  
• Not continue to hardpush a lynch after getting heat for hardpushing a lynch

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-- Mail

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Hi I am going to ignore the information that contradicts my preconceived notions of the gamestate because I just don't do that thing.

News flash you are using meta to read me one way or the other. If you are just going to ignore the stuff that says I'm town while paying attention to the (nonexistent) stuff that says I'm scum I am fine policy lynching you.

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Okay, well I can tell you that neither of those things have ever happened. Think I'm lying? Go ahead and prove me wrong by finding a single instance of either. If you do, that basically guarantees our lynch since I have no reason to lie about this as town. If you can't, your entire "case" holds no water and an unvote is warranted.

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And if you're going to read us as anyone else: then sitting on a scumread on you is a perfectly safe and easy play. I instead 180d my scumread on you (which looks scummy) then came up with a large set of reasons why you were town (and spent a considerable amount of time doing so that I could have spent doing literally anything else.) I would NOT use that reasoning because I am fucking RC and I don't tend to sit on easy lynches because I seek challenge, and none of that is outside the range of what I am capable of doing as scum: but if you're going to read me without meta that's super towny amirite? So either read me with meta, I'm town, read without, I'm town. bye.

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What does Hawk have to do with my read on you two?

Oh I didn't realise you were talking about Hawk. My bad.

-- Mail

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We were on Hawk because I hated iso post #6. It's hugely IIOA as opposed to actual content and even in that IIOA it's a ton of waffling. It feels like the kind of post scum makes about scum, too: which is why I'm perfectly comfortable jumping over to LUV. Obviously it's early and either or none of them may be scum but I don't like the way this game is playing out.

Read pretty honest and insightful to me. He also was just clarifying something.

Then why are you still voting us?

-- Mail

What does Hawk have to do with my read on you two?

I have made it perfectly clear that I suspect that you are partners based on Hawk's wafflewaffle post looking a lot like scum-scum interactions with you.
Your read on us is relevant because I find it very unlikely that Town!you would have behaved in this way and I want to get more clarity as to why you're voting me.

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We were on Hawk because I hated iso post #6. It's hugely IIOA as opposed to actual content and even in that IIOA it's a ton of waffling. It feels like the kind of post scum makes about scum, too: which is why I'm perfectly comfortable jumping over to LUV. Obviously it's early and either or none of them may be scum but I don't like the way this game is playing out.

I don't at all like how LUV is feigning casualness and making gif posts to try to downplay the fact that they're voting us when momentum is actually forming.
Their single point on us makes no sense whatsoever. We are literally the only slot in this game who has done any actual scumhunting in this game. We've told people voting us that they're being shit. That's standard.

LUV would have known that this would piss me off. They would have known that I would react negatively to all this. I don't think that this setup is coincidental nor that it's town motivated.

Idk like LQ is really bland and neutral tone-y and kinda inanimate as scum. I read stuff like 'makes me want to blurt out in laughter' as over the top posturing but that doesn't seem as likely from this specific player as scum.
There's also a lot of 'scumhunting' stuff that I don't like, like calling Persivul out for 2 posts which makes no sense and the whole assuming newbness but it's not like, alignment indicative necessarily I guess?

-Music

Mail has not posted in thread yet and she is the one who is better at signing consistently so if it's unsigned you can assume that it's me.
I actually for some reason mixed up LQ and EE when I was making a comparison to something EE did in Slavic 2 but then I realized that it wasn't.
LQ this game has been spastic and extremely posturey and usually that kind of stuff is scumtells but as far as I've read into his scum meta they're absent from his scum meta and he does it constantly as town.
So like it still comes across as insincere to me but given LQ's mislynch rate I suspect it comes across as insincere to everyone and I suggest he tones it down; but that's beside the point.
Town this game unless something happens to make me reevaluate.

Actually I just spent a while metaing you and a whole bunch of things that are scumtells for normal people are either NAI or towntells for you. We're good for now.

VOTE: Creature

Bam, I gave reasons for everything.

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No, LQ. There's two endings to this game and one of them is you backing the fuck off and the other is you getting lynched. You can make up your own mind.

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Feel free to actually address my wall, RC/Potsie.

Okay I'll just boil things down to this for you, LQ:

Have you ever seen RC...?

• Show fear as scum
  
• Not continue to hardpush a lynch after getting heat for hardpushing a lynch

Okay, well I can tell you that neither of those things have ever happened. Think I'm lying? Go ahead and prove me wrong by finding a single instance of either. If you do, that basically guarantees our lynch since I have no reason to lie about this as town. If you can't, your entire "case" holds no water and an unvote is warranted.

-- Mail

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Also I point out that I was getting literally 0 heat from my position bar your single comment. Do you think that you threaten me here if I was scum?

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Go ahead.

-- Mail

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Oh, sorry, misread that as you wanting to link an offsite game.

-- Mail

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Sakura I think that even when you had recent experience with me you would have no idea how to gaugae how I'd react to anything. I react differently to differerent things. I thought my response to Creature was appropriate because he has claimed confidence in being able to successfully read me because he called me as scum in my last 4 games and I was scum in all 4 of them. My point is that that doesn't entail him actually being able to read me because he hasn't proven that he can correctly gauge my alignment as town unless he ends up townreading me here.

My response to Creature was purely a rational one. I get lynched for being woe is me in actual games so I don't do that unless I've totally given up and instead do what I am doing this game. We are town. If you are town please settle down and vote elsewhere.

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That felt, uh, a little too easy? Can you weigh in a bit more?

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Mail feels that your jump onto our wagon is 220 was played up and that there's no way that you could hard scumread us for that. I'm uncertain. Anything to add to that?

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I'm not townreading E&O but they're not any scummier than null and there's already several people who are.

@Creature more awkward than Hawk's wafflefest in iso #5? What about LUV's clumsy attempts to downplay their vote on my slot?

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How was Sakura's vote a faux vote then unvote? @Creature you should take a look at Hawk and LUV.

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Even if Sakura is scum I sincerely do not believe that she is lying about not understanding how the vote counter works, nor that she was wifully deceiving anyone via casting a trickvote.

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Even if Sakura is scum I sincerely do not believe that she is lying about not understanding how the vote counter works, nor that she was wifully deceiving anyone via casting a trickvote.

Why not? I don't think it was her intention to not understand but that she knew she wasn't going to keep their vote on you very long so didn't need to know that you had to use the full username, conveniently.

If I was back from a long hiatus I would be damn sure to read every last thing the mod wrote in text.

What's the scum motivation for it? What does she gain from lying about the vote? And also not many people read the rules: I didn't read the rules except the game related ones.

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I mean why not just vote me in that respect. I'm really not seeing any scum motivation and the line of reasoning doen't really seem to lead anywhere to me atm.

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I think I actually kinda TR Sakura.

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If I agreed with you that the intent was to perform a trickvote than I would be interested in what you had to say about how it's scum motivated to perform a trickvote there.
If I agreed with you that there was scum intent in performing a trickvote then I would be interested in what you had to say about why you believe that she actually DID perform a trickvote.

As is I'm seeing neither the intent nor the motivation for it as a scum play.

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Okay, that could be getting somewhere. So you think that she planned to concede and unvote when I called her out on it?

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Creature does it not bother you that LUV is sidelining the conversation then throwing in shade at me by echoing you?
Also he's echoing something dumb. I came to a townread on Sakura because I liked 261 from having them as scum before so it's not like NOTHING is getting done here.
Is this like the most super productive fun time conversation ever? no. but I don't want to dismiss LQ's input outright either. What are you proposing I do differently?

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I could see that I guess because like I said she unvoted me pretty quickly. Idk if it outweighs my current like of 261 though. I'll look back at her later.
I would have expected scum!Sakura based both on meta and me being the only one she's played with to enter the game by trying to pocket us rather than start adversarially: but maybe.

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If you don't like LUV as a vote would you be town to vote Hawk?

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Postie still scumreads her tbh. The crux of it to me is that it depends on whether Sakura saw my slot as a safe vote, aka whether they could back off safely or get us mislynched safely. I'm not sure where I stand on that.

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VOTE: Hawk

RAWK HAWK

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Uzi is sidelining everything. He's given no thoughts on the game. And yeah I feel like regurgitating Creature's comment was intended as a shade; how else was it intended?

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Probably but the sentiment remains.

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M&M, how bad is your Town game?

Each head or as a hydra?

-- Mail

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RC's towngame is usually on point in terms of reads, but he gets mislynched a lot. I usually don't get lynched if I can avoid being lolwagoned on day 1, but I have no idea how I'd rate my reads since it depends on how I'm reading someone. I often get into derptunnels but I have certain kinds of gut scumreads that tend to be good and I'm learning to pay more attention to them.
As a hydra we haven't played enough games to draw any meaningful conclusions yet.

-- Mail

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No, that was Frozen Angel. This is a different hydra.

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What I was trying to say is that you are trying to convince us to not lynch you just because you claim to be a vanilla townie. For all we know you could be lying.

Hi momo
Why did you say "vanilla townie" as opposed to "townie"? It feels awkward.

-- Mail

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no real reason.

why does it matter.

everyone knows they are the same thing.

They're not the same thing. A vanilla townie is a townie with no night action.
Why did you assume Creature had no night action?

-- Mail

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I'm not rolefishing. momo isn't a night 0 rolecop. Saying "vanilla townie" instead of "townie" is oddly specific in a way that feels forced. I don't know what the scum motivation would be and I'm mostly townreading momo, but I want him to explain it anyway because I don't understand why he would use that wording at all.

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Momo, you cannot resist my will. Shatter your feeble resistance and vote Hawk with me.

-Music

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don't u dare replace in here without your sister and then call me scum

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that's not possible. you must be scum.

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I mean Mail consistently posts and I think it's nigh impossible to not be able to tell us apart so...?

-Music

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Mail consistently signs-*

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I finally rolled SK. was fun.

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Momo is fast becoming a scumread

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The narrative pushing and hyperbole they are doing when they push on people is super scummy.

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I'm not saying they are definitely scum but it's definitely something I'm watching.

Uh. LQ doesn't act like this as scum as far as I've seen. E&O might be scum I guess I don't like Aristophanes so far.

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That feels cancer tbh.

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idk. it's hawk or uzi i'm not sure.

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VOTE: LUV

sure let's do this.

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Same reason I was voting them earlier.

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Wanted to see where this would go.

I still feel Hawk scum more but I'm down for a wagon on LUV to get him to do shit.

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momo's town.

besides, considering there are people who are acting way more scummy than me, I am not really worried about your vote.

This is not something I see scum honestly typing out and thinking they should hit the submit button.

-- Mail

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Hawk's continued IIoA and insistence there's nothing for him to comment on reads scum to me.

-- Mail

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Hawk, give me two townreads alongside reasoning that isn't meta-based. Stat.

-- Mail

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I am not getting IIoA from Hawk.

The majority of his game-relevant content is talking about people's meta without taking any hard stances on anything.

-- Mail

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@_@

I think Momo saw an experienced player trying to either create a distraction or plant a seed.

I would second this idea but I get the feeling Momo is just new.

@Momo what's your experience with forum Mafia?

I do actually like this here.

I can't help feeling that M&M is trying to get Hawk Scumread because Hawks tone is bad.

I mean you're not wrong. I don't like Hawk's tone and that's part of the reason I want other people to scumread them. Were you saying that like it's a bad thing?

LQ are you really just gonna sit there and discredit everyone's townreads on us?

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I mean c'mon if ANTIHERO townreads us it should be like a mod confirmation that I'm town.

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i don't rly think the hawk read is terrific either but i don't think the push is necessarily scummy...?

kinda hard to gauge rn

The hawk read is amazing you're just being a butt

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you avoid being forced to commit to reads or do anything alignment indicative?

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There is no motivation for him to blatantly white knight me

Why?

and vote someone who's extremely hard to lynch in Creature.

You are assuming Hawk would a) know Creature was hard to lynch, and b) care whether or not his vote lead to a lynch. Do you have any reason to assume either of those things?

-- Mail

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Hey I am RC you should all vote Hawk.

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Fuck no Sakura there is no way Anti is town this game.

VOTE: Sakura Hana

Town!Sakura would never have suggested anything that dumm.

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fite me

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if you wont fite me you have to vote hawk

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I cast a heightened dominate mind on you and mentally order you to vote Hawk

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No it's not. I am true neutral so therefore my actions cannot be evil.

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ok so

1) RC is in this game
2) RC said to vote Hawk
3) RC is RC

and that just about covers why Hawk should have been lynched yesterday. questions?

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me

That fine gentleman is a member of this hydra.

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I mean I think calling myself a god is a bit excessive.

A minor deity, probably. RadiantCowbells, patron of fine Mafia Play. That's me.

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Idk I think this might be a superbastard game.

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I will give reasons when I am ready to end the day.

I am not ready to end the day.

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Okay there Momo.

Just FYI I can't lynch you today because Postie townreads you but you're not making it to endgame, I promise you that.

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He might be defending his scumbuddy.

LQ you should just vote Hawk and shush

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VOTE: Hawk

I like you 27.4% more now.

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You consider that momo RC scum team

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I would not recommend getting too stuck on Momo being town. There's a lot I'm wary about from him.

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I'm finding 1 active scum -> rest of scum lurking is very common these days.

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Uzi could just be scum period imo

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You'll get reasons when the game goes somewhere.

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Shh you're still dominate minded you can't make fun of me

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You are not allowed to refer to ongoing games. That's relatively tame but don't do it again.

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alright is there a point where I can start policy lynching the peanut gallery?

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LQ I HAVE ALREADY GIVEN A REASON FOR HAWK. I HAVE NOT GIVEN A _FULL_ CASE ON HAWK BUT I GAVE A REASON. EVERYTHING ELSE IS FULLY FLESHED OUT.

WHY ARE YOU LOSING YOUR SHIT BECAUSE I AM LETTING THE GAME PLAY ITSELF OUT BEFORE PUSHING A WAGON THAT I KNOW WILL END ITSELF IN A LYNCH?

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HAWK IS SCUM. END STORY. HAWK IS LYNCHED TODAY. END STORY. I WANT TO WATCH PEOPLE INTERACT WHILE HAWK IS ALIVE. STOP BEING A DOLT

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Alright fuck this. Hawk can live. Next person to push on me is getting our vote for the rest of the game.

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VOTE: Momo

get the fuck out of here.

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Transparent Hawk/Momo scumteam with Momo hard chainsawing Hawk and riding the coattails of LQ's stupidity to get traction on it.

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I am not talking to either of you clowns anymore. Momo is still scum and has to die at some point. LQ is townbearding it up.

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kts go fuck yourself

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like what the fuck do you think gives you the right to say that you can policy lynch me because you're too shit to read me? what kind of gameplay is that

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do you think that I wouldn't punch you in the face if you were in the room with me right now?

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KTS I am a better player than you, flat out, and you need to stop talking like you have any sort of moral authority over me.
Would I actually punch you in the face? probably not. I'm not that kind of dude. But you and this whole situation are really fucking pissing me off.

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Vote Momo then, Hawk.

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Yeah not even remotely townreading momo anymore. The push on us is lolbad in the scummiest way possible.

-- Mail

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Is it just me or is RC just working total bull right now.

Reasons come when I feel like it.

I will act like I am better than you because it is true.

Everything will be for my own, unrevealed reasons.

Is it just me or is this obvscum.

Again. M and M with the kill without reason.

Also LQ, his vote on me was a joke, a way of laughing at people who were on me. "haha no..."

LQ vote M and M

If anyone is scum(or deserves a policy lynch[if you are into that kind of thing]) it is him.

And M and M, mafia is played by reason. You are being ridiculous.

OBVSCUM

Lets lynch this right now.

I am done.

Honestly at the moment you are most obvscum in the game.

M and M. You are now against every single person who is active in this game. I honestly do not understand how you have not been lynched yet.

I seriously want a wagon on M and M.

No joke, I can't deal with what he is kicking.

KTS, did you read my last post??

Honestly M and M. You have such anger issues. Not good for a patient game like mafia.

*shakes head in disappointment*

Like what in the actual fuck is this

-- Mail

[Music and Mail]

I'll leave it up to RC where we vote but I'd be fully in support of a Hawk wagon right now. I want momo dead but I want Hawk dead more.

-- Mail

[Music and Mail]

momo, on the off chance you are actually town here:
This is your first game. You don't have enough experience to determine what is and isn't "obvscum". You can't. This is your first game. Stop.
That might sound patronising but I'm not really sure how else I'm supposed to express how dumb you throwing that word around is when you literally joined the site 5 days ago.

-- Mail

[Music and Mail]

Also, the first time is the best and I wouldn't mind being THE person who has lead the first D1 lynch on Scum!RC.

Its worth the risk IMO

Do you even have any idea how fucking selfish and egotistical saying "I want to lynch you because the feeling of satisfaction I'll get from lynching scum!RC day 1 on the slim chance that it could happen is more important to me than properly playing to my wincon or allowing you to play the game or get any enjoyment from it" is?
If this is your mindset then replace out and don't join a game with me or RC in it ever again.

-- Mail

[Music and Mail]

It was tongue in cheek. You didn't get that from the gif? RC gave a BS reason so I threw a BS Post right back at him.

If it was a joke it was literally the worst joke you could have made since RC has hypothesised for some time that that kind of attitude is why he gets mislynched so frequently. And I would agree to some extent.
Please don't do that again.

-- Mail

[Music and Mail]

I am not going to apologise for giving in kind. If RC keeps giving shit responses about how its impossible that they can get lynched Day 1 as Scum they will get more of the same.

Or how about you prioritise your wincon above feeling smug.

-- Mail

[Music and Mail]

This is an alt. Have played on other sites before, not on this one.

And for LQ I was just showing a gut feeling. Also, would a cunning person say they are cunning.

I was playing like a noob so that the scum would let their guard down.

Acknowledgment that he is experienced with Mafia. Acknowledgement that he is playing noobishly to make scum let their guard down. I think he says this somewhere else in his ISO too.

He knows what he's doing. it's scummy. epic mafia is a faster paced game like Town of Salem. He knows the way to win there is Chaos and mislynch for scum and as town it's reason and not giving into chaos. They don't care as much about blending in because they don't have time to blend in and lurkers are scum hence his hard press towards activity. All of this shouts to me that he is trying to look as town as fucking possible in his mind. So yeah universally meta irrelevant scum.

I should know I come from IRL and TOS background I know faster paced Mafia.

This reads kinda a genuine ugh I don't know how I'm supposed to read these interactions.

-- Mail

[Music and Mail]

Nvm yes I do. Groupscum trying to lynch the Serial Killer.

-- Mail

[Music and Mail]

I can see momo as town but also if he's scum I think he's more likely Serial Killer than groupscum and Serial Killers can be kinda towny.

-- Mail

[Music and Mail]

[snip]

None of this is alignment indicative for RC and makes sense in the context of him being lolwagoned as town really frequently and that making the game unpleasant and hard to play for him.
I mean I think he's dealing with the situation sub-optimally but you'd be pissed and frustrated with people too if this shit happened nearly every game.

-- Mail

[Music and Mail]

did you read the post where I said I was lynched Day 1 8 times in my first 16 games???

Yeah, I was frustrated as well, but I did 2 things:

1) Kept playing
2) Changed the way I played so that I WOULDN'T get Scum read early nearly every fucking game.

RC has done Step 1. He still needs to work on Step 2.

Mafia is brutal, Mafia is war. I have been in games where I was literally in tears because my responses were getting torn to shreds and I was made to look like a crazy person who was either Scum or beyond terrible at the game as Town.

Look who is getting universally Town read Day 1.

Okay so do you actually think we're scum? If so, why? Tried skimming to find your reasoning and I couldn't really find much. Link me the posts?
I did see something about you thinking stuff sounded manipulative but manipulative =/= scummy. It's playstyle indicative.

-- Mail

[Music and Mail]

Thanks, Hawk. I wish you weren't scum.

-- Mail

[Music and Mail]

Go ISO me and find the big post for starters.

If you mean the wallpost you made near the start of the game then I addressed that already.

-- Mail

[Music and Mail]

Feel free to actually address my wall, RC/Potsie.

Okay I'll just boil things down to this for you, LQ:

Have you ever seen RC...?

• Show fear as scum
  
• Not continue to hardpush a lynch after getting heat for hardpushing a lynch

Okay, well I can tell you that neither of those things have ever happened. Think I'm lying? Go ahead and prove me wrong by finding a single instance of either. If you do, that basically guarantees our lynch since I have no reason to lie about this as town. If you can't, your entire "case" holds no water and an unvote is warranted.

-- Mail

This was my response. Address what I said here and stop mindlessly tunneling us.

-- Mail

[Music and Mail]

Something to do with the change from HTTP to HTTPS. It's a HTTP image link so HTTPS won't display it properly.

-- Mail

[Music and Mail]

835 sounds like a town post.
Im not getting what's with the Hawk hate.

Groupscum trying to lynch the Serial Killer.

-- Mail

[Music and Mail]

Because nothing in his ISO sounds genuine except for his push on momo.

-- Mail

[Music and Mail]

How do I change it to https?

No idea, sorry. :L

Pedit: still being tone read to death huh. Objectively is there anything wrong with what I've said or is it just tone because that's basically just a gut read if there's nothing objectively wrong.

You're IIoAing and not being proactive about engaging with people or producing content that moves the game forward.

-- Mail

[Music and Mail]

No, I need to assume that:
1) Groupscum would be afraid there might be a Serial Killer in the set-up.

That's a pretty logical assumption.

-- Mail

[Music and Mail]

Sorry what's that Abbreviation mean? It's one I'm not familiar with.

"Information Instead of Analysis"

-- Mail

[Music and Mail]

Wouldn't it be better for groupscum to leave SK alive for a day rather than hunt SK d1... just saying since we're all fantasizing SK theory without actually knowing jack shit -_-;

Why would it be?

-- Mail

[Music and Mail]

Hawk is not the type of player to use that tactic as Scum I don't think. They are not a data oriented enough type of player to do that.

Evidence for this?

-- Mail

[Music and Mail]

You know I considered RC's anger possibly being a Vigi tell too since they can easily be townread tomorrow claiming Vigi but I guess SK can make that hard too.

If you thought RC could be dropping vig tells why would you say that in the thread?

-- Mail

[Music and Mail]

postie did anything happen in the last 10 pages or can i sleep now?

We all agreed momo was the worst and decided to lynch him.
Also Sakura and Hawk are still scum.

-- Mail

[Music and Mail]

They have not done it yet this game.

Oh I see what you're saying. I disagree though. Take a look at some of the meta he was throwing about, particularly near the start of the game. It's IIoA.

You want I should link some of my games?

Sure that'd help.

I'm heading to bed now I'll let Anti take it from here.

-- Mail

[Music and Mail]

Meta =/= Data, its kinda the opposite depending on how its used. I am talking about number and tangible concrete things, not things based on behavior at all.

Well then you're not addressing my point. I'm using IIoA in the sense of

Information

Instead of Analysis, not Data Instead of Analysis. He's giving information and not analysing it. Whether or not he's giving data is irrelevant when that's not part of my point.

-- Mail

[Music and Mail]

My philosophy on playing is that you should prioritize your Town game for the sole reason that you will be Town more often then any other alignment. People who prioritize their Scum game should get lynched... a lot.

RC prefers playing town and prioritises his towngame and also being good at scum doesn't change that please stop

-- Mail

[Music and Mail]

I actually can't believe that people are listening to M and M. He is throwing mud and hoping it sticks. First it was Hawk. That didn't work for him so he took Hawk on his side and turned his aim on me.

The fact that people are to blind to see this is beyond, especially @Hawk. Music was targeting you just one day ago, but of course you wouldn't see that

he changed his biggest point without reason.

It was in your favor.

Come on Hawk, use common sense, and turn on M and M.

He is coming for you next.

Posts like this are why you're not living past today

-- Mail

[Music and Mail]

No we're lynching you because you started suddenly calling us obvscum without previously expressing suspicion of our slot and when there's no way you could possibly think that if you were honestly evaluating the game

-- Mail

[Music and Mail]

Everything about your slot screams scum but I'm going to put that aside for a few moments just in case everything you're doing here is somehow the fault of EpicMafia - if we're not scum, who is? If we're scum, who's our partner? Why shouldn't we lynch you here?

-- Mail

[Music and Mail]

People should not lynch me because they should lynch you.

Okay but why are you town?

-- Mail

[Music and Mail]

RC may or may not want you lynched partly on policy but he's pretty well known for doing that as both alignments. As for me, I'm not really advocating for your lynch on policy at all.
Now tell me more about how getting angry and overly defensive are scumtells.

-- Mail

[Music and Mail]

I would not expect someone who is town to get so angry that they completely lose common sense for a few minutes.

This is a pretty frequent occurrence here. And probably anywhere.

You literally got pissed at LQ for doing something you were doing a few minutes before him. You got scared and are trying to turn all the pressure of you and onto LQ of all people. For god's sake, your vote is down for LQ, someone who is definitely town.

Oh yeah I forgot RC put our vote there.
I don't really know where to put our vote now because I don't know what RC wants or if he's still up for playing the game.
What makes you think RC was scared?

-- Mail

[Music and Mail]

Think Uzi has a chance of being SK. Will see tonight

I mean I know this might sound hypocritical but why are you so focused on the possibility of a Serial Killer? You've brought this up a couple times now and contrary to my own reasoning on the possibility of there being a Serial Killer I haven't really seen any justification from you as to why there would be one.

-- Mail

[Music and Mail]

SH, you do realize they have their vote on LQ. Even you think LQ is town. They are spearing a wagon but not even voting for the person they are trying to wagon. They are scared of the reaction that will come when I am revealed to be town.

Voting someone does not inherently mean you want said person lynched or that you're scumreading them and I've already made it clear the vote there doesn't really have a purpose until I figure out what my hydra partner is doing. Both heads are townreading LQ.
But if it makes you feel better:

UNVOTE:

-- Mail

[Music and Mail]

50% of all C9++ games have a SK.

It is on the wiki.

Yes but why hunt for one when you don't even know if there

is

one. What are you seeing that would suggest there could be a Serial Killer?

-- Mail

[Music and Mail]

I am still willing to lynch Momo simply because I do not want them alive in this game but I think Hawk flips scum here every time.

[Music and Mail]

Anti, do you remember that case I made against MonkeyMan in The Cougar's Den game? I sorta feel like its the same thing for my case on M&M here.

yeah, yeah...

i mean... what can i say? it's brilliant.

I feel like you are being facetious :/

I realize I have some different views on things, but like I feel like I do have solid reasons for why M&M is Scum that are pretty standard and I just hate that "meta" fucks that over completely :/

You hate that you can't lynch someone because everyone else knows that your reasons for voting me are terrible?

[Music and Mail]

Sorry would you rather everyone just let you lynch us because it makes you feel bad that people won't let you do stupid shit?
Get off your high horse you not being allowed to lynch town isn't some grand slight that town is pulling against you.

[Music and Mail]

Like that's why I fucking hate you and momo it's because you're both so fucking self righteous about being bad at the game. Acting like we should take you seriously or something.
People caring about your reads is a priviledge, not a right, and having the attitude that you should lynch me because I happen to be good at scum even though I'm a billion times better than you at town as well doesn't get you taken seriously. And no my play isn't bad; everyone in this game knows that I'm a better scumhunter than you. fuck off.

[Music and Mail]

LQ I want to remind you that I gave reasons for all of my reads when I was actually invested in the game and then stopped because I mentally checked out when I had to deal with you two idiots.
Postie will do what Postie will do but at no point am I going to take the time to synthesize my reads and make a case while I'm dealing with the crap you're pulling.

No, You fuck off. You literally have no respect for the game. I am not self righteous, I want to see things done the right way there is a difference. And lets be honest, this is still basically the same fucking argument you have been giving all game. "I am so good at this game, I can do no wrong, hence why I am not Scum." And I find it deplorable that you only show up now that the pressure is completely off you because Anti, the experienced vet who is IC thinks you are Town for IDK what reason.

And, uh, you think that sitting there calling me scum is going to make me

more

inclined to work with you rather than

less

?

[Music and Mail]

1) I wrote that
2) if I didn't and Postie did and signed as me it's totally NAI. I've done it with FA and Titus as both alignments
3) but I wrote that and we're not doing that here.

[Music and Mail]

why would I waste my time getting links for you to prove that I do something that I didn't do

[Music and Mail]

so I could.

[Music and Mail]

good for you.

[Music and Mail]

I see it as an exaggerated attempt to act like a VT but I have several lynches that need to go through before LUV.

[Music and Mail]

I am not worried about being NKed in this game because scum would see it as essentially giving up hawk for dead and if they leave me alive I'm liable to get mislynched or have my reads ignored.

[Music and Mail]

NKed!RC's reads are a lot more liable to get taken seriously than living!RC's in this lobby.

[Music and Mail]

Other people in this clown don't have the two worst people in the game sitting there calling them scum.

[Music and Mail]

well I'm not willing to PL a pr claim day 1.

VOTE: Hawk

[Music and Mail]

I think it's kind of dumb how I'm just this obligatory check but sure go ahead.

@ETL I'll get you a case later today. Deal?

[Music and Mail]

People either objecting to or not supporting either the Hawk or LUV lynches: why?

[Music and Mail]

why does 'chill' mean not lynch?
do you think that there is somehow a magical shield preventing scum players from acting 'chill' about things?

[Music and Mail]

well your reads are shit or you are scum so.

[Music and Mail]

Luv I'm sorry that you're scum but even if you manage to lynch me you lose this game.

[Music and Mail]

VOTE: LUV

except this game =]

[Music and Mail]

They're scumbuddies you realize that

[Music and Mail]

That's only a very small part of my scumread. I promised a case today as well but I'm going to let you finish before I do that.

[Music and Mail]

That's funny because making a case based on preflip associatives sounds like something that tunneled town does because it's actually based off of something; not scum.

[Music and Mail]

if I don't tell u why you're scum
you can't whine in postgame that you're scum caught for the wrong reasons :thinking

[Music and Mail]

Funny you say that because I forget why you think that I'm scum oh wait you never said shit about why I'm scum.

[Music and Mail]

Luv's read progression is basically
>has no reads for most of the game and active lurks
>randomly jumps onto momo and calls him scum
>jumps off mom when wagon dies and jumps onto me when hawk gets momentum
>talks like i'm obvscum while also questioning why I scumread him

and no you didn't

[Music and Mail]

quoting 4 posts and just voting me doesn't count as saying shit about why I'm scum it counts as quoting 4 posts.
lq he didn't though. not giving cases is NAI for me for the obvious reason that if I'm scum I can make an airtight case on anyone here.

[Music and Mail]

Go ahead make the case RC. Let me see it with its perfect logic that can scumfirm me d1 being based off of Preflip Associatives.

Why are you asking me for that when you think that I'm scum?

[Music and Mail]

I'm starting to think I know why RC scumreads me besides tone and I don't like it.

VOTE: M&M

Go ahead make the case RC. Let me see it with its perfect logic that can scumfirm me d1 being based off of Preflip Associatives.

Why are you asking me for that when you think that I'm scum?

I DON'T THINK YOU'RE SCUM!! Omg read my ISO I've townread all the way up until I realized your case on me is based on Preflip associatives which is retarded!?! Why pressure Momo if you think I'm scum because Uzi is scum? why not pressure Uzi you literally went out of your way to scumread me all game because you think I WK'd Uzi cause he's my scumbuddy. News flash maybe I just townread Uzi because Uzi hasn't made any scummy posts.

You are infuriating in your ignorance.

So you're saying that you voted for me because I'm annoying you, is that it?

[Music and Mail]

Why should I TR Uzi?

[Music and Mail]

Ok if you're going to bed I will sleep too. tomorrow morning I promise whn I'm awkae.

[Music and Mail]

Hi what did I mis-
oh

I think I'm going to bed too.

-- Mail

[Music and Mail]

Town is directionless because half of the town is pushing on me and making the game impossible to organize.