Open 677: See Nayne Ples Ples [THE END]

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Creature's probably town.

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Persivul too.

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Did Agent Sparkles ask the mod to confirm him?

Good question.

Why is it a good question?

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Hmm, i dont mind you having a feeling, but im wondering why SK feeling in particular instead of groupscum.

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Well idk, i've never played SK before, the only SK i saw wanted to play town vig so xD

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My experience with an SK is that they want to be liked by everyone.
-Electra

That sounds like my alt in a nutshell.

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Hi art!

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@LQ: It was sort of the feeling i got from their posts at game start. I can go into depth later but for now:

So are you claiming an actual scumread on me? You think you sorted most cunning manipulator RC on page 6 of the game? Damn you're good.
There are many, Postie included, who would love to attend a seminar that you would run explaining how you divined the secrets of my elusive scumplay.
-Music

What, the literal, fuck.
>Gets scumread
>You cant be scumreading me coz im THE MOST CUNNING MANIPULATOR.
I wasnt even aware that you had that title now, but holy hell, what i remember from town you is getting mislynched a lot, not BS defenses like this.
VOTE: M&M

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I think a "woe is me" kind of reaction would be more indicative of town RC than a "oh look i have a title", that's the least i expected out of him.

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I thought my response to Creature was appropriate because he has claimed confidence in being able to successfully read me because he called me as scum in my last 4 games and I was scum in all 4 of them.

Oh ok cool i didnt know there was a history behind that call out, it looked out of place to me
UNVOTE:

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That felt, uh, a little too easy? Can you weigh in a bit more?

Yeah, the fact that im feeling really awkward in this game, after being on a long hiatus and there being like only a few people i know.
@LQ: i did in 220

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Mail feels that your jump onto our wagon is 220 was played up and that there's no way that you could hard scumread us for that. I'm uncertain. Anything to add to that?

Sure, if you wanna know how i feel, let's just say after having a long hiatus, part of which being on alt with an opposite playstyle, and being sleep deprived coz i couldnt sleep at all last night, i thought i had found something weird, on your reaction to creature since it felt like you were saying "If im scum i'd be fooling you, so your scumreading me is wrong", but now that you explained that creature has correctly scumread you 4 games, and those are the only times you've been scumread by him, it makes more sense to me, since iirc you tend to appear scummy as either alignment, so it explains your reaction to creature.

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That vote didn't count and since you're a vet, I figured you would know that.

Huh, i dont see anything in the rules that show it wouldn't count.

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Oh i missed that.
Most mods are fine with abreviations, will take it in mind next time.

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Sorry im old fashioned and not used to all these newfangled vote counter things XD

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If anything using a trick vote, would potentially reveal alignment revealing info from the player, i'd argue it's a more pro-town thing, but i wasnt aware i was doing a vote that doesn't count.
There's a difference between me doing something, and you thinking im lying about me doing that something, if you're going to suspect me for something you dont understand the motivation of when... i never did it in the first place, then we're going to crash heads a lot.
And ftr Kison being around for a while =/= Vote counters being around for a while.

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I think anti's town

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I'm probably in, but they just arrived. What makes you think this so quickly?

Oh wait... he's the IC

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Regardless even if he wasn't anti's a very easy read.

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Regardless even if he wasn't anti's a very easy read.

jeez you don't think i could possibly fake what i posted so far?

fuck

Nope, i dont think you can.

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What makes yo u think he's so easy to read?

Lots of games with him as both alignments.

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But hey not the point, he's also a very good scumhunter so him being easy to find as town in games helps me lots, and even better if he's IC.

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Hey even if your "Most Enjoyable" is going bye bye i still think you're a fun player to have around in a game!

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who are you townreading so far sakura?

You (duh), creature, maybe persivul, maaaybe M&M.

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not lickety?

Not really.
Gistou flashbacks and stuff.

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who are you townreading so far sakura?

You (duh), creature, maybe persivul, maaaybe M&M.

What gives you Creature and Pers townreads?

- O

I liked most of their early posts

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Oh yeah i do think you're town too Art.

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i can see creature

don't see pers

yeah hence why the "maybe" it's a small feeling i got from their posts when i came into the thread.

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Granted M&M should be higher than Persivul, apologies for that.

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Also re-this:

i wouldn't make a multiball arguably-not-mafia game the gold standard for meta

Considering what i've heard about LQ's meta, seems to be the completely opposite of what i saw on Gistou since he got bused hard as well to the point i thought he was just town, it's making me very wary of him.

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Someone asked me about my Art townread earlier, dunno who it was, but i remember in another game someone telling me Art lurked as scum, and that's not what im seeing here.
Personally i've never seen Art scum.

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Someone asked me about my Art townread earlier, dunno who it was, but i remember in another game someone telling me Art lurked as scum, and that's not what im seeing here.
Personally i've never seen Art scum.

Anything in their ISO actively making you not want to do some meta diving?

Not so far, no.

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So you're just unwilling to verify the meta you've been given on them?

Rather im being lazy, which is different, if i see a strong reason to dig into their meta for verification then i will.

What are your thoughts on the Alisae head?

I dont recall them posting much, and i've never played with Alisae. I'm reading the hydra exclusively off Art.

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So you're just unwilling to verify the meta you've been given on them?

Rather im being lazy, which is different, if i see a strong reason to dig into their meta for verification then i will.

What are your thoughts on the Alisae head?

I dont recall them posting much, and i've never played with Alisae. I'm reading the hydra exclusively off Art.

I really don't see how you can have such a confident read on a hydra based off of one head.

Because they both heads are the same alignment.

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Have you looked at their interactions with Momo? I don't like what they've been pushing.

I personally dont like momo's hastyness but im shrugging it off as different site meta.
I'm not exactly sure what you see wrong with their interactions with momo. I went and gave a quick ISO on E&O and all i saw was that they were annoyed at momo ignoring their replies or something.

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Is there something specific you want me to look at? im having trouble finding it.

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Anyone have a good read on Antihero.

He's town.

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fite me

That i shall...
Once i stop being lazy

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if you wont fite me you have to vote hawk

But he townread me! he must be a good guy!

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Also im here wondering when will momo notice why im townreading Anti.
I mean it's easy to forget these things.

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I cast a heightened dominate mind on you and mentally order you to vote Hawk

That's evil!

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Maybe the day i roll IC i'll stop being lazy.

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who is RC

RC. Radiant Cowbells, one of the M & M hydra heads.

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I like momo's signature.

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>Asking RC for reasons

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Why should your alignment be decided by when you're lynched?
I was pretty sure your alignment was decided by when you received your role PM.

[Sakura Hana]

Also i skimmed a lot of stuff, typical RC rage, something Hawk getting mad or something and giving up i think? and momo wanting to lynch whatever moves?
Did i get all that right?

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oh and ETL replacing in, hi ETL havent seen you in ages!
Also would be nice if you had used spoilerboxes on that quote wall.

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So why is it that ppl think RC is scum? i seem to have missed it, i think it was something about Policy Lynches or wanting Hawk dead, but im not 100% sure.

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835 sounds like a town post.
Im not getting what's with the Hawk hate.

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I am 99% sure that yelling at each other and drowning discussion for 100000 pages, is more helpful to scum than town, if you think someone's scum stop arguing with them, you're not going to convince THEM that they are scum instead show the rest of us via bullet points why they are scum.

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Also is there a way to ISO two players at one time?

Yes use the buttons at the bottom, choose a username then add + and add another username for a double ISO.

[Sakura Hana]

Also is there a way to ISO two players at one time?

Yes use the buttons at the bottom, choose a username then add + and add another username for a double ISO.

Did I not explain this already?

Yeah you did, but i figured he missed it so i explained it again.

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i feel like M&M vs LQ is TvT as it looks more like a personal fight than actual scumhunting.
VOTE: momo
I like hawk's reasoning the most by far.

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835 sounds like a town post.
Im not getting what's with the Hawk hate.

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Thanks, you totally explained why Hawk's groupscum and why he's trying to lynch a serial killer.

[Sakura Hana]

Because nothing in his ISO sounds genuine except for his push on momo.

-- Mail

For this to be groupscum lynching SK you need to make several assumptions
1) You need to assume there's an SK in the setup (There's 50% chance according to the setup page: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=C9%2B%2B )
2) You need to assume groupscum knows if there's an SK (Once again, 50% chance all groupscum roles appear both with and without an SK)
3) You need to assume momo is an SK.

I think the better explanation for why his push on momo feels genuine is that he's simply town that thinks they found scum.

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Wouldn't it be better for groupscum to leave SK alive for a day rather than hunt SK d1... just saying since we're all fantasizing SK theory without actually knowing jack shit -_-;

And to make matters worse 1 or more town vigs is also a possibility LOL.

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Apparently hawk is groupscum lynching SK because his push on momo feels genuine.

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Apparently hawk is groupscum lynching SK because his push on momo feels genuine.

I mean things like this usually have another name
They are called Confirmation Bias.

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Pretty much the only answer I have ever seen RC give when people ask for a catchup post.

Im fairly sure that was Postie and not RC.

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Have you looked at their interactions with Momo? I don't like what they've been pushing.

I personally dont like momo's hastyness but im shrugging it off as different site meta.
I'm not exactly sure what you see wrong with their interactions with momo. I went and gave a quick ISO on E&O and all i saw was that they were annoyed at momo ignoring their replies or something.

57, 337, 495 and 509.

Ari attempts to make a show about the hydra comment Mo had made earlier. Not only did he assumed Mo was serious but he also assumed Mo wanted to policy lynch him, Ali, and M&M.

Ari continues to try to push Mo on more stupid shit. It isn't uncommon or strange for people when they're scum read to say they're clearly town or obvious town. Mo probably didn't answer because he knows any answer is just going go through one ear and out the other.

Ari's anger here feels out of place. Mo's clearly new to the site and he may not have had the time to fully master the site due to being eager to play. Rather than just restating the questions or even saying you should really look at what I quoted because of this and that, he just yells.

Dunno Art's anger feels perfectly justified to me.

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Technically not 50% of all games, more like 50% chance for any game, it's not like games with have an odd or even number of Ts every other game.
wrt to #1035 (holy shit we're at 1000 posts already D1?), Are you talking about MM or EO? (I assume MM because EO's voting you), i did say it feels like a TvT fight, and RC's vote towards LQ feels entirely out of being mad than being serious.

Players are humans, they have feelings and emotions, some are better at not displaying emotion or are more robust than others, i dont see the issue with a perfectly natural flip out on RC's part when people dont listen to him (something im used to).

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Hawk, whenever you postwall can you please put it in a spoilerbox.

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Hawk, whenever you postwall can you please put it in a spoilerbox.

Yeah sorry my bad. that's the spoiler=tag right?

yeah, use spoiler=name (name being whatever you wanna call it) so i dont have to scroll through thousands of quotes everytime i scroll the page.

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If you like scrolling through 10000000 quotes everytime you scroll the page be my guest, i certainly dont.

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The most telling post for me was post 400. Trying to Hard isn't Alignment indicative (you say it is for you now in fact it's a towntell). Saying it's fake is easy proving it's fake is hard. You're right I can't prove it's fake but I can prove you're forcing there. Why say it's NAI if it's supposedly a towntell for you?

I have a theory, but im not gonna give Creature the answer, so i'll let him answer first.

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Then replace out.

What.

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The most telling post for me was post 400. Trying to Hard isn't Alignment indicative (you say it is for you now in fact it's a towntell). Saying it's fake is easy proving it's fake is hard. You're right I can't prove it's fake but I can prove you're forcing there. Why say it's NAI if it's supposedly a towntell for you?

I have a theory, but im not gonna give Creature the answer, so i'll let him answer first.

After he answers I want to hear this theory. Also why did you feel the need to say this? Whether you have a theory or not if you're not telling first once Creature responds your post will have a different feel or connotation to itm

Because then creature's answer will be more interesting to hear (for me)

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The most telling post for me was post 400. Trying to Hard isn't Alignment indicative (you say it is for you now in fact it's a towntell). Saying it's fake is easy proving it's fake is hard. You're right I can't prove it's fake but I can prove you're forcing there. Why say it's NAI if it's supposedly a towntell for you?

I have a theory, but im not gonna give Creature the answer, so i'll let him answer first.

After he answers I want to hear this theory. Also why did you feel the need to say this? Whether you have a theory or not if you're not telling first once Creature responds your post will have a different feel or connotation to itm

Because then creature's answer will be more interesting to hear (for me)

Hmmmm okay. That's kinda manipulative ya know.

Because it is.
But only scum should be concerned with it.
If i'm BSing and i dont have an actual theory, a scum Creature will scramble for a reason to figure out what my answer would be.
A town creature doesnt care coz he has a reason.
Make sense? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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If I am engaged, it's a towntell.

If I look trying too hard, it's usually NAI (though, there are differences between me trying too hard as town and as scum).

Well this is different than what i had in mind...

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But regardless my theory was that he meant effort is NAI on a global generalized level, but for some people effort might be AI, so it's more of dependant on the player.
Guess I was wrong.

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Not Alignment Indicative.
A fancy newfangled acronym for saying "null"

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null and null-town, i have no idea how to read Creature, and LQ is playing differently than in Gistou where he got ran up hard even by his own scumteam.

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p-edit: never played with either of them. is that game the only experience you have with LQ, Sakura?

Yes.

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p-edit: never played with either of them. is that game the only experience you have with LQ, Sakura?

Yes.

who are your strongest reads at the moment?

M&M, E&O and Hawk are my townreads
momo is a scumlean.

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A lot of people do that actually.
Good thing i read players by gut!

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oh and meta, but i kinda want to learn to not rely on meta reading anymore.

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Speaking of alts, Creature have i ever played with you?

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Speaking of alts, Creature have i ever played with you?

No, but I heard of you.

Good things or bad things.

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I didnt even know people talked about me during my hiatus.

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You hate playing scum, right?

Indeed i do, to the point that rolling scum 3 times in a row last time was demotivational enough to replace out of all 3 games, or 2 of them.

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Also is that all you heard? aww i was hoping for something not related to my scumgames.

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Did momo ever claim to be an alt?

Yeah he said he was an alt pretending to be a noob to throw scum off.

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GF has a high chance yup

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I feel like GF shouldnt exist on the more ammount of Ts, but that's discussion for open game discussion forum, not here.

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If anything i think creature might be town now.

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Who's Kop again?

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#WagonTooFast
(Yeah anti i said it)

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Tho i dont really have a reason to townread KTS, so...

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You are talking on speed but you did hop on the wagon for M and M LUV. Got any non hypocritical reasons.

What is this even supposed to mean.

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We should just lynch momo.

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we got a reaction, he said "nice"

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Guys I am telling you just wait for D2. Once I am investigated I will come out as town. And a town player worth saving too.

Hey momo
What do you think a mafia godfather wants

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we got a reaction, he said "nice"

Which told us fuck all.

I am aware, but that's not the same as "no reaction"

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Hey im just pointing out he gave a reaction, whether that reaction was worthwhile or not wasnt what i was pointing out, since LQ said that even a "WTF!" can give info

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Hey im just pointing out he gave a reaction, whether that reaction was worthwhile or not wasnt what i was pointing out, since LQ said that even a "WTF!" can give info

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I can do this all day since you keep missing the point.

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Guys I am telling you that if you investigate me I will come out town. So just wait one game day.

So will a mafia godfather, your point?

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God damnit why do none if my img and gifs work :/

use HTTPS on the address, im sure imgur supports HTTPS.

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Ok so 2 things... well 3.
1) Momo's town and that's why he doesnt know what a godfather is (i mean come on, at least his partners should have told him or his own role PM).
2) Momo's scum and there's no GF in the setup so momo wouldn't know about it.
3) Momo's scum and pretending to not know.

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https://epicmafia.com/role/144
Oh hey look what i just found Mr. Epic Mafia player.

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And here i thought that my 1v1s were heated... now it's kinda awkward to see it from the other side for once.

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or so the wiki says

I think there's your problem.

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Want some popcorn?

sure

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UNVOTE:
Time to reorganize my reads, im going to assume momo's town and telling the truth.

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Also currently if momo's telling the truth this is what we have about the setup:

C XXXXXX
(X = Unknown)
Filling it for now it's not a bad idea to keep track of these things.

[Sakura Hana]

Oh wait there's IC too so

CM XXXXX

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if those 5 Xs are Ts then we have:

TTTTT = Goon + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)

As scum.
So until further claims im going to assume scum has GF with them. I think it's better we get a guilty.

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There is a subtle distinction between different kinds of wagons that form really fast though. The biggest difference is whether there was actual legitimate reasons for the wagon - whether the wagon formed fast because someone did something incredibly Scummy or not. Context is important. In this example where KTS was run up, its really only basis was that Anti voted them and people started following with no real reason given aside from momo who simply agreed with Anti's reasons. So the other factor is who was around during the time the quick wagon happened? If it was people that were largely Town read then I would argue that the wagon is then NAI to that player having a better chance at being Scum. If there is a mix of Town and Null reads or Town and Scum reads, then that has an impact on the wagons composition. With a mixed party reads wise then the person run up has a better chance of being Town. I have to go back and check, but I think I am at least slightly Town reading all the players who jumped on KTS so I would say there is just as much chance that KTS is Town or Scum based on that. Quick wagons that happen without good reasoning are not indicative of the wagoneers alignment since its essentially random chance. With most of the players being town (reads) who run up the wagon, then statistically there is a better chance of the player who was run up is actually Scum.

I like this post, i kinda want to save it somewhere to shove it at ppl on future games.

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The biggest thing for me is the way he handled the momo wagon yesterday and the wk point someone brought up - wk without an alternative is sketch AF.

Wait, who did Hawk wk (or viceversa)

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Wait, who did Hawk wk (or viceversa)

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I'm starting to get tired of waiting for an answer so im just gonna assume that it was something BS.

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Music & Orhcestra

This made me giggle.

Anyway M&M never replied to my question about the wking and seem to have fallen down into nowhere, im not 100% sure i wanna vote Uzi right now because of that.

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I mean if he cant backup his arguments after asking him like...1..2.... 3 times, yeah 3, why should i believe it?
Also why are you defending them?

[Sakura Hana]

your argument is "But it's RC and postie", which is basically the same as RC's argument "IM SO GOOD AT SCUMZORS THAT I WONT GET LYNCHED D1 IF IM SCUMZORS"

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M&M is town.

Oh ok.
Although i want an argument that isnt something along the lines of "but it's RC and postie so idc coz i cant lynch them"

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Well im currently operating under the lines of "who's attacking the people that was attacking momo" since scum likes to capitalize on wrong townies.
The only thing that feels out of that angle would be M&M since iirc they were attacking him too?

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Although M&M is attacking hawk who was attacking momo
*scratches head*

[Sakura Hana]

ugh well it's late and i need to wake up early tomorrow.
I'll leave that as food for thought for the time being.

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VOTE: Kop

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The IC said so.

When you say things like this, it's no wonder how you drew a wagon onto yourself.

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Those colors are hard to see

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wtf

[Sakura Hana]

As far as i know deadline being frozen isnt an inpediment for hammering, it just gives us infinite time to talk and vote while a replacement appears.

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There's even instances where people hammer to save the mod the trouble of having to find a replacement.
So the hammer's very real unless the rules say otherwise.

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me b/c i'm having a shit game

Honestly i was expecting the cop to be shot over you, what i wasn't expecting was neither of the 2.
Also yay scum's dead.

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I want to hear what momo has to say.

[Sakura Hana]

I guess that explains why momo didnt die
VOTE: Hawk

[Sakura Hana]

why is everyone massclaiming now...
Imma go fetch my letter thingamajig.

[Sakura Hana]

Oh wait there's IC too so

CM XXXXX

CMDDXXX?
Did i get that right?
there cant be 1-shot doc without a full doc so it's DD.

[Sakura Hana]

Setup is TTTMCDx

So you're changing your claim?

[Sakura Hana]

D = Doctor
DD = Doctor + 1-Shot Doctor

If you believe it's D then you cannot be a 1-shot doctor.

[Sakura Hana]

or 1-shot vig.
Guess we will know for sure by tomorrow.

[Sakura Hana]

So we got 2 groups of ppl CCing each other, this is over.

[Sakura Hana]

Ok i have literally no idea who can be SK.
This feels like D1 all over again.

[Sakura Hana]

D3 ended before i even read it lol.
That's what

[Sakura Hana]

I was here during D2.
Did you miss my posting that day or something.

[Sakura Hana]

Can't help you there then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Sakura Hana]

How many lynch attempts do we even have remaining?

[Sakura Hana]

Coz i dont know if LUV's SK or not yet, and i dont want to just lynch and hope.

[Sakura Hana]

She voted both LUV and Creature i think

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prodge.

[Sakura Hana]

Sakura Hana, why aren't you SK hunting?

Everyone looks town to me.
I'll give this game more time tomorrow (irl).

[Sakura Hana]

LUV why did you switch from voting E&O to voting with E&O.

[Sakura Hana]

Also why is creature being voted to begin with?

[Sakura Hana]

LUV why did you switch from voting E&O to voting with E&O.

Found Creature more scummy.

Elaborate?

[Sakura Hana]

Well when im finally around no one else is apparently u.u

[Sakura Hana]

Prod received
VOTE: LUV

[Sakura Hana]

VT, also

V/LA Until Monday

[Sakura Hana]

Nope, the only 2 times that i remember being in a game with an SK, 1) someone else caught them and forced them to claim and leashed them, 2) Never realized an SK ever existed and they won.
Dont remember any other games where i've been with an SK.

[Sakura Hana]

Sigh...
I feel kinda bummed out, i thought the game was in the bag and now i have no idea.

[Sakura Hana]

Prodding E&O

Oh hey, that's us.

Immediately...I haven't had time do look at anything yet. Probably by Thursday? Sorry for being shitty and making a sucky MYLO, I'm just too busy to properly sort this game atm.

Also, I can link you to a White Flag game that just ended where Alisae rolled us as a scum hydra if you like. He did most of the talking there and it's drastically different than this from is.

- O

That would be ok if i wasnt bad at reading games where i'm not in.
Eh i guess i could give it a try, link?

[Sakura Hana]

My problem lies in that sometimes i have a hard time finding scum without people engaging me or scumreading me for BS or legit reasons, and everytime i've tried to go back and read it doesnt end well, i wish i wasnt bad at XyLo.

[Sakura Hana]

So you think Fitz has been preparing this day all game?

[Sakura Hana]

Ughhhhh i dont know.

[Sakura Hana]

On one hand 2591 feels genuine, but then again i have a weak spot for buddying.
On the other hand Fitz has promised some work to try to sort this out. Tbf he still hasnt shown any results and i kinda want to wait for him, but idk how long can that even take really, im not an expert in reading back.

Why u guys make this so hard @_@

[Sakura Hana]

I'd feel really bad if after basically steamrolling scum i lose us the game to a fucking SK.

[Sakura Hana]

so.... i take that as everyone else is ready to no lynch?

i am

And what would No Lynch change other than washing your hands off.

Would be nice if you would DO something.

Although that's kinda ironic since i havent done anything either, but i just... i dont even know what im supposed to be looking for. It's making me apathetic.

[Sakura Hana]

Why are you posturing here? ;~;
-Electra (Ali)

I rather be posturing than vote wrong.
I can't seriously believe how you can vote someone on MyLo and not feel nervous of being wrong.

[Sakura Hana]

=/

[Sakura Hana]

But i posted my thoughts on the previous page!
So did E&O.

[Sakura Hana]

that was a reply to 2607 btw.

[Sakura Hana]

Ok that wasnt clear enough i guess.
I think it's probably Fitz, but im nervous of being wrong. Specially because fitz been promising content for like who knows how fucking long.

[Sakura Hana]

I Mostly want to wait on Fitz and see what content he brings us. IF he even does.

[Sakura Hana]

This would've been many times easier if someone was scumreading me for any reason u.u

[Sakura Hana]

See that's the thing.
Im better at reading people when people scumread me, but the way this is going i fear fitz is just gonna scumread you instead and then im the one that's gonna have to decide.

And the worst of it all is that you cant pretend to scumread me to make me read you, because it will obviously be fake and it wont help me.

While you thinking im genuine is fine and all how is that supposed to help ME.

[Sakura Hana]

Although i can see why anti feels the way he does u.u

[Sakura Hana]

This isn't getting any easier is it.

[Sakura Hana]

So you're saying it's impossible for town to suspect you?

Nope, read again.
(Also i'll look over your work or whatever later tonight)

[Sakura Hana]

2493...responds to Creature questioning her about her SK hunting and Sakura says she will tomorrow (i.e. Day 5).

Apparently you missed the part where i said "(irl)"

Also what does post count even have to do with anything? You even said yourself way back that activity wasnt a good alignment indicator. And if you're gonna argue that it is i'd argue you have way less posts than either of us, so i dont see the point of even bringing that up.

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Dang you've been V/LA for a bunch of times in the game, i have hard time finding anything useful in your ISO.

[Sakura Hana]

Summary of both reads - I thought the E&O ISO was much stronger than Sakura's. It's been over a week since I read the Sakura ISO but from what I recall of it..she didn't stir a lot trouble with other people. In my recollection she seems like someone interested in getting along...being helpful and not offending others. Most of her votes came on pre-established wagons whereas E&O started a few wagons. There was the late entrance to the game as well from Sakura. She just kind of chilled in the background while E&O was working hard. And while I expressed suspicions towards E&O at various points in the game...that was when looking for scum. Until I ISO'd them both from the perspective of looking for the SK and how and SK might look different than mafia...I hadn't really given Sakura much thought.

I guess you've missed pretty much all my interactions D1.
D2 and D3 well... those days pretty much had confscum in them, and D4 i was apathetic because i thought the game was won.

Dunno how any of that means im scum, what makes you think it does?

[Sakura Hana]

361...gives townread on Anti. I think scum would know Anti was off limits to vote during the day. So a
towncred fauxpaus by Sakura?

Uh... what
Is there some sort of unwritten rule that every player must remember everything in a game or something.

[Sakura Hana]

643...likes momo's sig. Buddies.

Uh what is that even supposed to mean.
I think you're either reading too much into things or making a mountain out of a molehill for whatever agenda you may or may not have, so far im not liking this.

Like, assuming im "buddying" momo, how the hell is me liking a signature supposed to achieve that?

[Sakura Hana]

875...feels like M&M vs LQ is TvT. Sheeps Hawk onto momo.

Oh look apparently im not buddying, do you even read what you're writing, are you REALLY trying to analyze what im doing or are you just trying to throw a bunch of buzzwords into my ISO to make it look scummier.
I'm done reading this
VOTE: Fitz

[Sakura Hana]

aaaaand you're misrepresenting me again.
I am not looking at what you did in the past, im looking at the BS you're pulling right now.

[Sakura Hana]

Here's your misreps Fitz:

And the worst of it all is that you cant pretend to scumread me to make me read you, because it will obviously be fake and it wont help me.

So you're saying it's impossible for town to suspect you?
FYI...i'm town and suspect you.

I said i need someone to scumread me for whatever reason to read them, E&O didnt do that coz they were townreading me and if town, then they scumreading me would be fake, and if scum, then they scumreading me would also be fake, so it wouldnt help me read them.

Are you voting me because you don't like the heat or are there actual reasons? You said you can't skhunt so I'm assuming it's not the latter.

I specified my reasons for scumreading you, yet you're dismissing them coz i said "i dont know how to SK hunt" but at this point, your case that you posted today where it was a lot of BS, misreps and adding buzzwords to make it look scummy.

[Sakura Hana]

when is this summitnw ari going to happen...?

Sorry i spent all of yesterday focused on Shadowverse. Dont know if me coming here is even gonna make a difference tho since E&O seems to still want to wait until tomorrow.

[Sakura Hana]

I actually quoted the wrong thing:

sakura. ur killing me...

This is the quote

[Sakura Hana]

Also E&O is 80% not the SK, with me and fitz 1v1ing and Anti opting for either of the 2 more than likely over E&O they could just vote either and have anti hammer.

[Sakura Hana]

I was worried E&O was slow playing waiting for Anti to vote someone.

I call BS.

sakura if you're town here this should be a fucking breeze for me

but it's not

Come on anti im not that hard to read.

Also here's fitz coming more with the "I wouldn't have NK'd X if i was SK" WIFOM.

[Sakura Hana]

Oh almost forgot
VOTE: Fitz

[Sakura Hana]

Btw, wtf is being a complex player or not have to do with anything.

[Sakura Hana]

I love how Fitz brings "Anti suspects me" as his argument when that argument applies to me as well, otherwise he'd have voted Fitz yesterday >.> but he was pretty undecided.

[Sakura Hana]

If Sakura doesn't quickhammer, we know she is town and then you only need to sort Fitz and I, and I know that we are town so it's 100% FitzScum for us then.

sakura has given me no reason to think she's town

i still kind of think scum of all flavors would want to avoid the d1 kop wagon and etl being scum reinforces that

on the other hand i could maybe see sakura killing etl...?

i guess it's plausible sakura left me alive thinking i wouldn't turn on her

sakura. ur killing me...

[Sakura Hana]

And yet you still brought him to LyLo.
I dont get how the fuck am I supposed to respond to that? You kill E&O instead of Anti and now are arguing that you wouldnt do it because his supsicions on you were "stronger".

[Sakura Hana]

I haven't been buddying up to anyone wtf?
You're really arguing pretty strongly this NKA WIFOM after your inflated with buzzwords case from yesterday failed.

[Sakura Hana]

So, let's talk buddying anti and saying "I'm town" over and over until it drills into someone's head:

Vote Sakura. I'm not a good liar. One of my in person faults (or plusses) is that I'm very transparent and straightforward.<snip>
P.edit....why me Anti?

I'm telling you I'm town

. No sk here.

I'm town Anti.

Not sk. Good luck making the right pick. Ask whatever you need to.

You can win the game right now with a Sakura vote.

She's been your friend throughout the game iirc.
Hasn't ruffled any feathers.
She's done what she's needed to to get to this point.

Did I mention I was town. Seriously.

Vote Sakura for the win.

She is the SK.

Not I.

[Sakura Hana]

Oh dear apparently i only said "buddying" which is something i actually didn't do, i did also say you were repeating "I'm town" over and over to drill it into anti's head.

[Sakura Hana]

I get that you need to pretend you're not reading and hope anti doesnt notices and agrees with you, but that one's like pretty obvious yet you're still forcing me to shove it in your face just in case anti does indeed not notice.

[Sakura Hana]

1) What about complimenting a player is buddying and
2) Not the point i wrote in that post.

[Sakura Hana]

i did also say you were repeating "I'm town" over and over to drill it into anti's head.

What's your point? I acknowledge this. I'm town. You're the sk. Easy peasy.

I'm town, you're the SK.

HEY I can do that too, that was like so easy, im pretty sure anti's gonna be totally convinced!

[Sakura Hana]

Im 100% sure you're just playing dumb at this point, hopefully anti notices this.

[Sakura Hana]

Oh boy self meta.

[Sakura Hana]

This is getting boring.

[Sakura Hana]

Wow, someone brings a 7 year old self meta of a completely unrelated game and anti buys it.
I'm
just
done.
I'm fucking done with mafia.
Why the fuck when im scum and do the same ppl lynch me for using self meta, but when im town, SK gets away with it.

Clearly this isn't the game i should be playing.

Anti just finish it i dont wanna replace out of a game at LyLo.

Clearly the only person in the world who is capable of reading me is pie.

[Sakura Hana]

Obvously fitz.