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Rels why did you never understand / see this? This is basically what your cases/reads usually look like. You think from the other person's mindset and see if it makes sense or not. This is something that should be clear as a day for you. You not only see this in the first place (in the post), and later on you don't see it when me (and Hapa kind of) point this out. That is super weird because you SHOULD be reading AT LEAST our posts.In post 1424, outoforder wrote:[quote="In post 1423
My case is very simple. havingfitz did something he earlier said is not pro-town. Town players do not do things that they think are not pro-town. Therefore the only conclusion i can come to is that he is mafia. What is so hard to understand in that? It is very simple logic. If havingfitz was town he would here beworking against something he himself believes is good play(i.e. he intentionally plays bad). Town players do not intentinally play in a way they consider bad townplay.-
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Sorry but i am not doing your work for you. I have never done that and i won't start now.In post 1553, Rels wrote:
If your objective is having a clear thread, your post saying "it's in my filter" was pretty bad, it would be better to have replaced the content of that post with "here is a link to my townread and it hasn't changed".In post 1552, outoforder wrote:I don't like repeating things because i expect people to have read the thread when they post (because why would you if you haven't?). The only thing it does is it fill the thread up with useless questions and people are repeating same things over and over again. It is unnecessary.
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That was not the point. The point was he said he wont read walls if they are boring. You know what is the most boring thing you can do in a mafia game? Write 1000 words without being asked to and ending the post with "cya i will post reads later" (=absolutely 0 conclusions). That's the catch here. As i said, in mafia terms that's the literal definition of boring. So he wrote a post he should himself consider boring (aka "don't read") if he is telling the truth in all occasions here. Why would you write a post you consider not helpful towards finding mafia as town? Why would you write a post you would not read yourself if someone else wrote it?In post 1557, Rels wrote:
dunno. But the logic contained here is bad. Fitz CAN be against you having walls of text while posting walls of text while catching up himself.In post 1555, outoforder wrote:
Rels why did you never understand / see this? This is basically what your cases/reads usually look like. You think from the other person's mindset and see if it makes sense or not. This is something that should be clear as a day for you. You not only see this in the first place (in the post), and later on you don't see it when me (and Hapa kind of) point this out. That is super weird because you SHOULD be reading AT LEAST our posts.In post 1424, outoforder wrote:[quote="In post 1423
My case is very simple. havingfitz did something he earlier said is not pro-town. Town players do not do things that they think are not pro-town. Therefore the only conclusion i can come to is that he is mafia. What is so hard to understand in that? It is very simple logic. If havingfitz was town he would here beworking against something he himself believes is good play(i.e. he intentionally plays bad). Town players do not intentinally play in a way they consider bad townplay.-
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I'll give you an example of a similar post, here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/4 ... ge=62#1224
Starts from "atm i think A", writes 1000 wordsand ends up in "i think A". Always mafia post.-
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Beware though. People are gonna make a big fuzz about it for no reason and then start calling you scum when you explain because "you created a big mess". Trust me i know what i am talking about! I am interested in this though since it looks like you think you're onto something good. Hope it's something good.In post 1563, cassielle wrote:
if you mean me not talking about the interaction:In post 1554, KidAmn wrote:
Nah, that shit didn't fly D1, it doesnt fly now either.In post 1548, cassielle wrote:i have thoughts on the rels/kidamn interaction going on but im saving them while i wait for the big damn mistake that's a-coming down the pipe
someone in this thread isnt paying attention and i won't say whooooo
i am waiting on something to happen
if you mean me not talking about the person not paying attention:
theyre the one whos going to flub it and im waiting to see if its a townflub or a scumflub
talking about who im watching specifically defeats the purpose, they know they need to modify behavior
talking about the interaction itself makes both sides self-aware and feel exposed, which increases the chances they make a dumb move, which is the whole point
and talking about it in this weird circular way also increases those chances for the same reasons
that dumb move will tell me much more about them (especially the one im looking at the most) than most of the rest of their play will today-
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Spoiler: fitz' questions and answers
And there, all his questions have been answered, yet after the last post he keeps telling i am scum because i haven't answered his questions.
Now what does this mean regarding havingfitz? You can all think about that, i spent almost an hour doing this only because someone asked me really dumb questions, got their answers in a way or another, yet people can't see anything wrong with it. I'll follow up probably tomorrow or smth. I found some other juicy things there too.
Do you want to know what he talks about in this post? A post of mine that was un-concise because people WANTED ME TO ELABORATE MORE on a very concise thing.I did power through it and found some good stuff in it but please OoO...can you be more concise? The longer a post is the less likely you are to get the information through to people. If something concise needs to be elaborated on you can un-concise specific points later.
Dear god i don't even know what to say anymore. ^_^-
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Oh i skipped a question:
Nothing, i never said such thing. He is probably referring to this:142 - @OoO...what does X being personality driven have to do with X being alignment indicative?
Alignment idigative (for people i know) - Personality indicative (for people i don't know).Because the point of RVS in the end is to start the game and do something to get out reads. So when people, after that X point (see more about this after the next quote) continue the game "without the X being there" it becomes, at least in my opinion, alignment - or at least personality - indicative.
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Do you remember what was the votecount at that time?In post 1565, BlackVoid wrote: I think it's more likely he's scum than Rels. Look at how Hawk reacted when I replaced in, wrote a huge reads list and posted a case on Hap. He said it was a good one, unvoted KidAmn, and voted RELS. Why would he vote his partner when a case was made against a townie?-
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Just let it go for now, when the elaboration comes we can figure out if it makes sense or not.In post 1577, KidAmn wrote:Shockingly, I'm actually going to agree with Rels and ask you for an explanation here Cass. You're making it sound like you want Rels and I to keep dancing for your amusement here and I'd rather not continue until I know the tune.
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BlackVoid:
I don't find the argument as compelling as you do. I don't understand why does he call Hapa his #1 scum suspect at the time in the first place if he fears Hapa is getting lynched and is his partner. He doesn't really have to. Like why not just call Rels mafia there instead? Furthermore this sticks to my eye so hard:
Because what i see there is a setup to lynch 2 townies assuming Hapa is town (as he is basically telling "if people wanna lynch Hapa i will follow").In post 888, Hawk wrote:Yeah I think if Hapa flips town Rels and OoO feel like good counter points. OoO has done a much less spectacular job outside of that first section of the game. Which with a little bit of coordination and some use of TL meta could all be contrived info. Of the three Hapa looked the worse but was also the one being setup if he flips town.
I don't like that OoO comes back with such a misrep on Cass feels like it's rather odd and kinda LAMIST. Then distraction wagon of Fitz who hasn't been corner for concern since much earlier in the day.
I'm okay with Hapa lynch today, if he flips scum I'm looking at Rels if he flips town look at OoO.
If we don't lynch Hapa, Rels is my backup because I think those two will yield the greatest information gain.
KidDamn looks like lynch bait by Rels Hapa wagon.
VOTE: Rels
Pedit: Kop echos sentiments here but I'm still concerned he's pushing Rels more than Hapa... but if that's the case I can easily see Kop Hapa if it's not Rels Hapa or something along those lines.
Also Kops point that Rels could flip scum makes me feel much better about Kop since he doesn't need to push Rels here if he's scum with him and they could just force that Hapa lynch.
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Ofc it does. It has everything to do with the argument.In post 1589, Rels wrote:
??? So ? It has nothing to do with the argument.In post 1584, outoforder wrote:come on you were never gonna get lynched and you know it aswell as i do.
Regardless of your affiliation he is (as mafia) voting off the mislynch wagon ("town credit" + a scumread on you AND ME on D2 in case hapa flips). And he still keeps the backdoor for voting hapa open.-
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I think what you bolded basically is trying to say "i want people to vote for Hapa but i don't wanna do that".In post 1588, cassielle wrote:
nvm hes completely incoherent hereIn post 910, Hawk wrote:
You distinctly left off a grand portion of my sentiments there including that I feel like of the three Hapa looks the worst but is also the one being pressured most and could be BEING SETUP either for a bus or a ML. Look at how OoO and Rels initially pressure and vote Hapa then Rels backs off from one reentering post by Hapa. At first during the day I dismissed almost that entire section of the read to being meta driven TL stuff but now that you pointed out more concisely that I can see a case for Hapa that isn't meta driven I'm worried that the Meta read from Rels and subsequent back off is either setting up Hapa as a Bus or as a ML.In post 907, BlackVoid wrote:@Hawk - how did you go from "Hap looks the worst of the three TL players and Rels is my backup," and saying that you are "okay with a Hap lynch, look at Rels if he's scum" to voting Rels? Then you say you are concerned that Kop is pushing Rels and that you could see Hap/Kop or Hap/Rels. Based on all of this, you should be voting Hap so I have no idea how you winded up with a Rels vote.
Like Hapa's wagon has 0 resistance, (asside from me town reading his AtE earlier.) No one is actively saying we shouldnt vote Hapa except for Hapa.That is like giant red warning signals flashing for me and I think since Hapa isn't going anywhere and we can just lynch him tomorrow even if it doesn't go anywhere applying pressure and possibly lynching associatives can put town one step closer to finding all 3 scum.
I mean say we lynch Hapa today no question to Rels motivations for saying no wait stop or Kops motivations to voting Rels instead of Hapa or anything Cass is doing or anything else. If Hapa flips town now where are we. Pushing Rels cause he called Hapa town? Pushing Cass, Creature, KidDamn and Everyone else who said Hapa is scum? oh wait that's everyone (sans kinda Rels and maybe OoO?)Yeah I'm fairly certain Hapa will flip scum but I want more traction laid down by Rels and everyone else who has any motivations for not lynching Hapa. They have to be accountable whether he flips scum (likely) or flips town (unlikely).
Like this isn't us pushing a mislynch. We probably lynch Hapa today. But we have time. We still have what 2 days to talk? And OoO still hasn't really weighed back in besides a redux back onto Fitz which doesn't sit well with me either.
Pedit: I'll respond to Fitz in a minute. I'm just worried that Rels who seems to be the most active TL member who seems to TR Hapa and I want to know why.
i bolded the standouts though -- its clear he wasnt looking for EITHER WAGON to hit lynchpoint-
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If we are talking about associative reads this is the best thing i have seen here (i am not saying this is the case but i kinda want it to be).In post 1582, outoforder wrote:
oh my...Also Kops point that Rels could flip scum makes me feel much better about Kop sincehe doesn't need to push Rels here if he's scum with him and they could just force that Hapa lynch.
i so do this when i am mafia. i so do just the same because i am an arrogant prick. ^_^
"Let's call someone town for a reason that should make people think i am town too for the same reason without me trying to tell them i am town, like they can figure it out by themselves, i just pointed them to the "right" track."
After this game if Rels happens to be mafia, i wanna know if this is true or not, because i tip my hat to you Hawk if it is, that's quite smart!-
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So basically he put his vote on Rels with "let's see what Rels says so i can decide if i keep my vote on him or not", right?In post 1592, cassielle wrote:
ah here we go.In post 915, Hawk wrote:I had a nice reply typed up then my phone fucked it all up by restarting itself for a update. So I will post this when I can get in front of a computer since I actually have a lot to say about this.
But to answer that last part BV yes I intend baring us finding some really good reasoning based of Rels response to lynch him. Move back to Hapa to end the day with that lynch.-
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Yeah why not? You weren't gonna get lynched anyways and when your wagon gained some traction he was quite happy to put his vote elsewhere. I don't see the problem in how his voting cannot make you mafia.In post 1596, Rels wrote:OOO are you working on the idea that I'm scum; Hawk is my partner; and he voted me over Hapa ?-
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As mafia, why would you want to be on a mislynch wagon? He never also says "no, do not lynch Hapa! He is town!".In post 1602, BlackVoid wrote:Hawk does spend a lot of time discrediting the Hap push though. See "Rels and OoO are off playing Mafia on TL forums and responding with meta alignments and indications I wanna vomit at how much all of their case against Hapa initially was noise and I couldn't dig into it myself" in 659. He also votes both Kop and KidAmn when they were counterwagons to Hap but never actually votes Hap himself despite saying he's suspicious of him.
For me it looks like he realizes (incorrectly) that people are most likely going to lynch Hapa (especailly since @ post 888 which you initially quoted) there are already people (and the mindset in MS seems to be) who were like "we can't lynch anyone else" or "do not derail the wagon". For me it looks like it can just as easily be that he thinks "where ever i put my vote (without a real case) it doesn't matter". Do you disagree that is not a possibility?
It's not. That's what mafia usually do. Try to make people do stuff that gets blamed on them (in this case hapa mislynch) instead of you.but you are saying it makes Hapa's town. Which is ridiculous.
+ the quote, of the quote is so good.
Afaik Cass doesn't read you scum because i said you are scum because of what Hawk did (as i haven't said so so it's impossible). If Cass thinks one of you and Hapa is scum and my posting influences her to think it's more likely you than Hapa, then i am happy, because i feel the same way.and while you're saying "I am not saying it makes you scum lol.", you're spending quite a lot of time giving hints to that direction. And that started to change Cass' read for example.-
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I can't tell from that only. But think about if a mafia dude said something about you that "makes you their partner". How do you ever defend yourself as town? Because you can't, as you are not the person whose actions are considered. I hate those kind of reads because mafia occasionally do that and if town buys it there is nothing you can do about it, and it's retarded imo, you are judged based on someone else's actions.In post 1615, cassielle wrote:[quote="In post 1607
now, that aside: @OOO, BV has a point that hawk avoided the hapa wagon like demon-possessed plague
theres two narratives here:
1: hapa is scum that hes trying to derail from off wagon, and he faked a slip for distancing if he gets lynched
2: hapa is town and hawk was pushing from off wagon for towncred from vca, and he made a genuine slip
which feels more likely to you?
I am not saying what Hawk has ever said makes Rels mafia, however much he wants to yell that to ppl. I am saying (and answering BV) that i don't think Hawk's actions make Rels town, as he suggests. In fact they make Hapa more likely town than Rels. That's what i think, if someone wants to sue me for it i don't care, i am just writing what i think is the truth here.-
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Because the post doesn't mean anything in the scenario i find most likely. I have literally just argued about it.In post 1616, Rels wrote: If yes, why are you ignoring that post where Hawk said "mm too many people wants to vote Hapa it's suspicious" just after voting me ?
Clarify please, i don't understand the question.If yes, why are you saying Hawk jumped off my wagon to Aubrey's when my wagon was starting to have a lot of people ?-
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Why so? What makes my posts contradictional from the thought process you think i am having?In post 1619, Rels wrote:
This is the retarded part. I cannot believe you can believe that. It doesn't make sense. At all. And apparently you're making this judgement call without even rechecking everything since you asked Cass for posts. That makes no senseIn post 1618, outoforder wrote:
I can't tell from that only. But think about if a mafia dude said something about you that "makes you their partner". How do you ever defend yourself as town? Because you can't, as you are not the person whose actions are considered. I hate those kind of reads because mafia occasionally do that and if town buys it there is nothing you can do about it, and it's retarded imo, you are judged based on someone else's actions.In post 1615, cassielle wrote:[quote="In post 1607
now, that aside: @OOO, BV has a point that hawk avoided the hapa wagon like demon-possessed plague
theres two narratives here:
1: hapa is scum that hes trying to derail from off wagon, and he faked a slip for distancing if he gets lynched
2: hapa is town and hawk was pushing from off wagon for towncred from vca, and he made a genuine slip
which feels more likely to you?
I am not saying what Hawk has ever said makes Rels mafia, however much he wants to yell that to ppl. I am saying (and answering BV) that i don't think Hawk's actions make Rels town, as he suggests. In fact they make Hapa more likely town than Rels.That's what i think, if someone wants to sue me for it i don't care, i am just writing what i think is the truth here.
See this is why your stance on fitz was so fucking fishy. Now you're doing (or trying to look like you are doing) what i would expect you to do if you're town.-
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The post doesn't mean anything. If you do think it means something then fucking say what instead of calling my thought process (you apparently have no idea about) scummy.In post 1623, Rels wrote:
WELL THEN GO CHECK IT BEFORE MAKING CALLSIn post 1620, outoforder wrote:
Because the post doesn't mean anything in the scenario i find most likely. I have literally just argued about it.In post 1616, Rels wrote: If yes, why are you ignoring that post where Hawk said "mm too many people wants to vote Hapa it's suspicious" just after voting me ?
You said:In post 1620, outoforder wrote:
Clarify please, i don't understand the question.If yes, why are you saying Hawk jumped off my wagon to Aubrey's when my wagon was starting to have a lot of people ?
Which is false, when he switched to Aubrey I only had 2 votes left on me.In post 1599, outoforder wrote:
Yeah why not? You weren't gonna get lynched anyways and when your wagon gained some traction he was quite happy to put his vote elsewhere. I don't see the problem in how his voting cannot make you mafia.In post 1596, Rels wrote:OOO are you working on the idea that I'm scum; Hawk is my partner; and he voted me over Hapa ?
What is false there? Having votes != thread sentiment. Thread sentiment suggests that Hawk started deflecting from lynching you (which he never really did try in the first place tbh) when people got somewhat interested in it. The number of votes you were having when he unvoted is irrelevant.-
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Except that is not something i am arguing. That is not why i think Hapa is town.In post 1621, Rels wrote:They is the inverse mindset.
"Scum is not voting X but is voting every other wagon available"
This is the original information.
"X is scum". Makes sense. That's the straight up way, trying to protect his teammate.
"Nothing can be said abou it". Makes sense too. That's the WIFOM way, maybe scum is hoping X gets mislynched.
"X is more likely to be town". That makes no sense.-
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The problem is if you want a mislynch you can't really do that. Keeping your options open is much better for securing a mislynch.In post 1632, BlackVoid wrote:
If I were scum and wanted "towncred" from a mislynch, I'd most certainly say "no, don't lynch [townie], he is town." If Hap were a mislynch, I think Hawk would be gunning for towncred by calling him town, not saying "Hap could be scum" and then voting every single counterwagon that pops up.In post 1610, outoforder wrote:As mafia, why would you want to be on a mislynch wagon? He never also says "no, do not lynch Hapa! He is town!".-
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This is a post that super bothers me to be honest.In post 1067, Rels wrote:I think scum is in (KidDamn / Hapa) / Kop / Aubrey / Hawk.
So here, in the final posts of his on D1 he thinks those people are mafia.
Hawk flips scum. Aubrey flips town during the night.
Suddenly he is completely lost when D2 beginds when actually he should easily deduce that Kop kinda has to be town and scum for him have to be Hapa and KidAmn (because he has literally stated strong townreads on everyone else - except for havingfitz, who he basically never talks about). EZ game EZ lyfe, we lycnhed scum, Hapa is scum and KidAmn is scum. That's what i would expect Rels to say, not to read everyone's filter and waffle around multiple scenarios (when earlier he kinda had the game "solved" in his mind).-
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Mine? Idk. Rels or KidAmn.In post 1646, BlackVoid wrote:Actually my outoforder townread lessened a bit. If Hap flips scum, I want to look more closely there. His D1 was incredibly town but his arguments for Hap being town today have been a stretch. Who is your best guess for the third scum?
I am going to now tell you something. There is absolutely no way there is 2 mafia in me/Hapa and Rels. You can choose to not believe me but that is 100% going to be the truth this game. I know i am not mafia and there is literally no way either of me and Rels would have treated Hapa early on in the game like we did in case he was mafia. Maybe you are right and Hapa is mafia, i just don't believe it.
If you're going to lynch him based on an association with Hawk (and me) then i might just aswell stop posting, because there is probably not a way to change your mind. I've said everything i have to say about that. I just don't believe you're right here on his alignment.
At least i am going to vote for mafia.
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Rels you're being super dumb if you believe i can be mafia this game and you are town. You should know that when i am amongst the most influential people in the game and being townread by other influential players (who basically were you, Aubrey and BlackVoid) there is absolutely no way the day 1 ends like it did. You suggesting that i am mafia is almost as dumb as you suggesting i am mafia in the lylo of RSM II when i lead a lynch on mafia on D1 when i could have basically lynched almost anyone i wanted.
Think about it a bit in case you're town.-
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I don't know what you are seeing, but what i am saying is if Hapa somwhow flips mafia in this game Rels will probably yell to lynch me. I don't care much about that because you can easily afford a mislynch there. I am saying there is probably going to be a horde of dumbasses yelling to lynch Rels after that, but if Hapa flips mafia never ever lynch Rels.In post 1698, cassielle wrote:
can anyone see what i seeIn post 1696, outoforder wrote:I am going to now tell you something. There is absolutely no way there is 2 mafia in me/Hapa and Rels. You can choose to not believe me but that is 100% going to be the truth this game. I know i am not mafia andthere is literally no way either of me and Rels would have treated Hapa early on in the game like we did in case he was mafia. Maybe you are right and Hapa is mafia, i just don't believe it.-
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I don't understand why we should lynch in less than 14 days if we have 14 days.In post 1700, Creature wrote:When are we gonna go achieve a lynch? Or is there a trick that we should wait for deadline lynches?-
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Hapahauli cannot possibly be mafia with anyone in this game except for maybe Creature and Cassielle and neither of those combinations make any sense to me. So there is that.
If you wanna lynch Hapa i'll put my own game in the line because i actually feel that strong about it right now. If you want to lynch Hapa the only player he really makes sense as mafia is me, so i propose that you lynch me instead of him.
Then you just don't get retarded and lynch. Then you can still lynch both ofhavingfitzKidAmn and Rels.
And that's going to win the game. We can afford 2 mislynches.
I will help you with self-voting if that's the case.
I'd rather lynch mafia though.-
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In post 1707, Creature wrote:idk, one week is enough to start trying lynches.
Well idk how you guys usually work here but i work with the mindset of "more information = more accuracy". IML games are quite terrible for that tbh since usually people end up getting bored because they could lynch already and make rash decisions with limited amount of information (in comparison to what it could be). Therefore in my opinion reads and strong opinions matter way more than actual votes (early on), since it's really just dumb to lynch when you have like 2/3 of dayphase left. Even if you had a confirmed scum it's dumb because the more time town has the more likely town is winning the game. That is - if people don't be dumb and actually USE the time they have.In post 1708, Creature wrote:It isn't recommended to start looking for lynches just when there are three days left.-
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Do you believe me in case i flip town?In post 1711, cassielle wrote:
the problem with this is WIFOMIn post 1710, outoforder wrote:Hapahauli cannot possibly be mafia with anyone in this game except for maybe Creature and Cassielle and neither of those combinations make any sense to me. So there is that.
If you wanna lynch Hapa i'll put my own game in the line because i actually feel that strong about it right now. If you want to lynch Hapa the only player he really makes sense as mafia is me, so i propose that you lynch me instead of him.
Then you just don't get retarded and lynch. Then you can still lynch both ofhavingfitzKidAmn and Rels.
And that's going to win the game. We can afford 2 mislynches.
I will help you with self-voting if that's the case.
I'd rather lynch mafia though.
would scum say this to get the towncred of saying it? we dont/cant know
i mean i know you put effort into this post and all but all im thinking atm is "sure, lets do that" because that possible-bluff almost deserves calling
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Of course. That would also be a case where all the town players are dumb and for some reason don't want anything to happen.In post 1716, Creature wrote:
I work with time is money.In post 1713, outoforder wrote:i work with the mindset of "more information = more accuracy".
If nothing new is happening, may as well just end the day.-
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Well that's what i kinda believed you'd say.
But i don't really care. I care about if my reads are good or not. I think they are this game and i think i have solved the game to a point where i don't have to find the last mafia since i have PoE'd everyone else out of the equation. And i can't tell which one of KidAmn and Rels is scum atm. No rereading will do the magic for me here since i've read it all enough times.-
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I am pretty sure we did better than that this game.In post 1723, Creature wrote:Day 1: A topic starts
Day 2: At this point there should have been something
Day 3: Topic will probably stall, but just bring something new
Day 4: We discuss that something new
Day 5: We push players
Day 6: We organize our reads
Day 7: We start pushing lynch wagons
Day 8: We flipflop around
Day 9: Day's discussion already done
Day 10: Good to lynch already
Day 11: Very good to lynch already
Day 12: If you're still there, better start worrying
Day 13: Speed up that wagon if you haven't already, otherwise things might get ugly
Day 14: You better have a good wagon because this is considered just an emergency day-
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idk if you're talking to me here but i don't really get what you're trying to say in this post. Or where are you referring to.In post 1661, BlackVoid wrote:By "intentionally tying himself to Hap," if you mean making Hap look guilty in case he, Hawk flips, I don't see why he would try to make a doomed townie look guilty just in case he somehow flips before that townie. Remember it looked like Hap was the lynch for the day, not Hawk until the last seven hours or so till deadline.
If you are saying he's trying to get towncred from a Hap townflip, I'd argue that he would actually call Hap town while pushing counterwagons. He wouldn't say he was very confident in a Hap scumflip while subtly laying down his votes elsewhere and working against the lynch.This is also Hawk's first game as scum so I don't expect an insane level of manipulation.
For the bolded / underlined part; I don't believe you here. Regardless of how many scumgames Hawk has we are talking about a dude who kinda made you (and definitely Aubrey) think he is town AFTER he was lynched. Even starting doing that requires a personality to perform quite cunning stunts... ^^-
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I just offered myself being lynched over a townie so Rels can what??? "get towncredit"? (when me - Rels interaction caused the whole thing in the first place). I am sorry, smart mafia teams do not do that. Especially when it would leave 1 mafia alive which has a chance of instantly losing the game if you shoot the wrong person.. They just simply agree to lynch the townie.-
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I mean, if that's how you make reads then you can always call anyone in the game mafia because you can always argue "that's why, so i would think that" when someone points out how your argument doesn't make any sense. Or just call everything else bussing because "then we whiteknighted a scum guy and they'll win in the end and that was the plan"....-
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