Open 682: Watchmen Wanted -- Game Over Some People Won!!

[momo]

Hello.

I have replaced in. Bow before me.........

Nah jk jk. So what's the game state. Will read now.

[momo]

WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THIS GAME

[momo]

So three pages in, Hawk is a bit to defensive for early game.

[momo]

And an unvote to appease people on p.4. Is it just me or is he taking the early wagon way to seriously. No town would let themselves be pushed around this early in the game.

[momo]

On page 5, LUV is feeling a bit off to me.

[momo]

p.7, grey is feeling a bit of but considering that slot is in the replacement queue, not going to judge too hard.

Not_Mafia maintaining a relevant presence by posting but not much relevant info out of him.

[momo]

Not like the hate on TB considering it is mostly based on meta. Dude joined on 09/11/16 so Grey experience with him must have been when he was brand new. Hence, I buy the getting better line.

(p.8)

p-edit: gut leans will normally be slightly ignored by me while waiting for replacement. Then will question replacement.

But now with the TB wagon, not liking grey even more.

[momo]

p.9

Kind of ridiculous lucca can't remember why he voted for someone on page 9.

[momo]

p.10 lucca feeling very off. Doubting that he is town.

[momo]

Going on. Still don't think Grey is null compared to some other people. And looking at the game where I am, doubting the slot being scum.

[momo]

Forget that, he is a town lean. His thought process has been logical, if not 100% accurate.

[momo]

These watching jokes are getting annoying.

[momo]

p.14/15

Nancy looks a little to eager to lynch. Prob scum going for the mislynch.

[momo]

Okay Nancy calling ThinkBig stating intent when she said that Lucca was at L-1 a scumslip is just ridiculous.

[momo]

p. 16 btw

p-edit: Thanks Aubrey

[momo]

p.17

Nancy is getting desperate now, her thought progression making less and less sense. Really not liking her this game.

[momo]

Damn was ready to townread Hawk until post 436.

If scum have daytalk, Hawk is clearly scum (got told what to do by partners).

If not, might be playing with partners while trying to not act like it.

[momo]

that was p.18 btw

[momo]

lucca is rebutting not redirecting. And not rebutting all that well.

Earlier lucca was adamant to not be called newb!town. Now, he welcomes it so that people do not think he is scum.

[momo]

me???

Yes I read the setup.

[momo]

Oh the day talk thing. I forgot that they do not.

But still, not liking Hawk.

Anyway, just read 19, on to 20.

[momo]

Nancy still pushing for a lynch is ridiculous. Town would have backed of at this point, especially after someone mentions there are 11 days left.

[momo]

My god!

Grey p. 21 is ridiculous. Reread this people and look at grey's posts. Just crazy!!!

[momo]

Okay, besides from my dislike of the TB lynch, not getting much at p.22/23.

Other than Grey's attitude. He is always slightly snarky but never this much.

[momo]

Okay on p.24, Anakimus replace out is kind of annoying. I mean I get LUV is kind of mean and so was Grey but chill with the "toxicity."

Does anyone expect mafia to be a safe space?????????

[momo]

Well you take your vote on Nancy whom you logically scum read and I do too.

And I mean you just said you were reading iso. Nothing specific.

Just 'cause I think Nancy is scum, you reached the correct point, and just turned around.

Kind of like you realized your points actually made a lot of sense, did not want to bus you team mate, and hid while staying with the flow.

[momo]

So ya. It is past 11 where I am and I am very tired. (Had to shovel the snow because of the blizzard).

Night!!

[momo]

@mod before I go to sleep, Happy Birthday!!!!!

[momo]

So my top scum reads are Nancy, Lucca, and Grey.

After that I have Hawk.

Would really prefer a lynch on the top 3.

[momo]

But I am fine watching this wagon play out.

[momo]

VOTE: Hawk

[momo]

Since everyone seems to agree, I think we should lynch Lucca.

VOTE: Lucca216

[momo]

Darklyn, sup.

[momo]

I think you will find my post on the last few pages an easy to follow summary, page by page.

[momo]

Ya Hawk. Welcome to the team.

Almost too convenient that you are making your reads pretty much the same as mine using the same arguments. But for now, you are null. Kind of in between you know.

[momo]

Okay, JaeReed, for the moment, I am not ready for a Hawk lynch.

Hawk, right now, you need to do some scum hunting of your own. Reread the thread and come up with a few new things. What did we miss. Don't just restate.

JaeReed. Is Hawk really your

#1

scum read. There clearly are people more scummy than him.

p-edit: Did you guys hammer Hawk?????

[momo]

Not_Mafia.

What was that. You do not hammer without stating intent. You haven't given sh*t to town all game and now you hammer without givng a chance to claim or defend. They teach this is Road to Rome. You are scum on my list now.

OVEREAGER

[momo]

^IDK because the emotion sounded town. Scum wouldn't say lynch me if he is town because they would get lynched.

Lucca/Grey are promising lynches.

[momo]

Primarily Lucca though.

[momo]

That is not fake outrage. It disgusts me how overeager this game is. First nancy on TB and now this. It is ridiculous and needs to stop.

[momo]

What is this. The second fake hammer in one day. Judging by Hawk's final moments, he is town. I don't think JarReed is a hard scum read though because of emotion and no smart scum would say lynch me if they are town.

Vote Lucca everyone. Read my reasoning on him earlier it is clear. If not Lucca then Grey. If not Grey than Nancy.

VOTE: Lucca216

@Nancy. People are saying you are town so I am going to give you a chance. Why did you want ThinkBig lynched so badly????

[momo]

I know, I meant his slot.

P-Edit: TB why do you SR Darklyn

[momo]

Not really liking the fake hammer conspiracy and how she brought into question the legitness of my posts.

[momo]

I mean he.

[momo]

Okay, so reread the game again and have a newly updated read list.

My scum reads are(in this order)

Lucca, Nancy, Grey, Darklyn

LUV is null

TB is town

[momo]

Hawk is town

Jae is town lean

[momo]

Sup TwoFace. If Darklyn and Grey are the same slot, they are most definitely scum.

Nancy, getting mad at two fake hammers in a day is definitely not overreacting.

VOTE: Darklyn

I also would not mind a lynch on the lucca slot.

[momo]

Mental note for tomorrow. See if dark/Nancy team makes sense

@TF. If you reread, Nancy was so eager for a TF hammer it was terrible.

Yes, Not_Mafia is a scum lean because he has not helped town in any way and has been doing random sh*t because he does not want to help town.

[momo]

Alright you caught me, I'm scum and nancy is my partner

This seems very off, like a last ditch attempt from the scum team. I don't know why, but this just seems fake.

So this is my scum trio:

1. Darklyn/Grey (Had a scum read on Grey and a Scum lean on Darklyn. Together, well....)
2. Lucca/Titus(Going to give Titus a chance, but I doubt it will change anything)
3. Nancy (2 and 3 are not in any particular order)

[momo]

Post 854

*TB not TF

[momo]

This ^ is so fake.

[momo]

Wow, think the self vote will sway me. Nope. Town has no reason to self vote on page 35. Scum...definitely.

[momo]

DON'T FUCKING REPLACE INTO MY GAME AND PRETEND YOU KNOW WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON

I TOLD YOU NOT TO FUCKING LYNCH DARKLYN FOR A FUCKING REASON

THIS TABLE WAS REALLY FUCKING GOOD BEFORE GREY REPLACED OUT AND THE REPLACEMENTS HAVE JUST SHAT ON THE GAME WITH BAD READS AND ANTI-TOWN PLAY

GET YOUR HEADS OUT OF YOUR FUCKING ASSES

PLEASE TELL ME YOU WERE WATCHING JAEREED

THE FACT THAT SCUM WERE ABLE TO KILL JAEREED BECAUSE OF THE REPLACEMENT BULLSHIT IS JUST FUCKING UNBELIEVABLE

JAREED AND I SHOULD HAVE BEEN FUCKING INVINCIBLE WITH WATCHER ON ONE OF THE TWO OF US BUT THANKS TO YOUR CRAP ONE OF THE TWO TOWNLEADERS IS NOW FUCKING DEAD

CONGRATS

This feels really

really

fake.

Catching up now but I agree with this. Think, scum killed Jae. Nancy had this set up perfectly so that when Jae died, she would appear town. Along with her rush to lynch TB earlier, she is almost definitely scum.

VOTE: Nancy

[momo]

Titus I'm pretty sure you're just scum here because you know very well the relationship between Jae and I.

I've been upset because

A. Grey replaced out
B. His replacement got quicklynched when I'd expressly vetoed it
C. Jae died when they should never have been allowed to

Scumteam would never have dared kill Jae or I if the gamestate hadn't been upended because 50/50 is too much of a risk with watcher being on either Jae or I 100% of the time.

@Nancy, what is this relationship you speak of???

P-Edit: Somebody else can unvote but I am scumreading Nancy so no.

[momo]

Okay, I thought Jae was two people because he had they list as pronoun. LOL

[momo]

Jae is not a man, their pronoun is they.

So confused right now...

[momo]

^This

[momo]

Yes. Nancy is as good a lynch as any for today.

[momo]

You forgot how desperate she was in the beginning.

[momo]

Nancy, chances are you are the lynch today. If you are town, tell us what to do when you flip. If not, get lynched.

P-Edit: TB I agree. After Nancy started getting pressured, her iso became incredibly fake. I want her lynched today.

[momo]

So, are we lynching Nancy or not????

[momo]

I agree.

[momo]

One problem fitz...........you are scum here

[momo]

Lies^

Sorry but your predecessor made your true role clear.

[momo]

L-1

[momo]

Town will hammer soon

[momo]

Not_Mafia is a good lynch but this is an obvscum slot. iso nancy and post note down your honest reactions.

Desperation in the beginning to everything else 2F and I have listed.

[momo]

JaeReed knows Nancy better than anyone on the site. If Jae had pushed for a hammer, it would all be over. Considering their relationship, it is hard to believe Jae can't read her...

[momo]

Notice how while still townreading her, Jae did put some pressure. If he had stopped looking at her as his gf and like scum that needed to be lynched, his view would have been different, I guarantee it.

[momo]

no, i wouldn't say that to try to piss you off, i like you too much for that. nearly everything i say as town is genuine, that's how i read your scumread on me after how dream mafia went down.

i mean if his reaction was townie as hell that means i am fully justified in my 180 so yea i still kinda think you're just paranoid because I burned you that one time.

i can't really explain the nancy thing, it's more a feeling i guess. she's my gf if that helps to understand it all?

Even jae admits that the read might be of due to the relationship.

[momo]

nancy and Drake are scumbuddies, third is in Titus Hawk and TwoFace

@Not_Mafia...your presence and this role in this game are frustrating. You hardly post, and when you do post half the time there is no content. And when there is content, you have no reasoning. And you listed 5 people in a 3 person scum team without reasoning.

Nancy is still scum in my eyes but this is too much. What does everyone else say on:

VOTE: Not_Mafia

P.S. New and updated scum trio from me:

1.Nancy
2.Not_Mafia
3. Titus

[momo]

Scum had better

WATCH

themselves this game

I don't know the time, if only I had a

WATCH

VOTE: Thinkbig

Scum taking the joke too far, not on my

WATCH

VOTE: Drake

LUV and Drake are scummy, not sure TB is scum or trolltown, I will have to

WATCH

him closely

Who's Aubrey?

I think this game has plenty to go off already; e.g. Drake is scum

Are you scumreading me Drake?

If that is all you can say on the matter, then voting you is better than my RVS vote on Alisea. VOTE: Not_Mafia.

and stop calling me Drake.

I asked if you were scumreading me

But are you scumreading me?

Who knew Drake was such a difficult interview

I may need to re-think this. Jae is falling into a similar category as Not_Mafia.

is that category a scumread?

I thought Drake was meant to be chill

Wonder why Nancy hasn't made an appearance. I've seen her around in other games.

Scum-scum interaction ggnoregitgudscrub

Drake is confscum tbh

Who's Aubrey?

When does it become legitimate to have a scum read and not a sum lean?

I keep thinking this is a micro

{Ank, TTH}
{Grey, Alisae}
{JaeReed, LUV}
{Hawk, ThinkBig, lucca}
{nancy, Drake, Not_Mafia}

NM you scum bud?

Yup

11 days?! VOTE: ThinkBig

So why hammer?

p.7, grey is feeling a bit of

but considering that slot is in the replacement queue, not going to judge too hard.

Relevance?

These watching jokes are getting annoying.

You mean

WATCH

ing jokes

p.14/15

Nancy looks a little to eager to lynch. Prob scum going for the mislynch.

Except I just executed a fucking flawless fake hammer twilight.

LAMIST

Nah

Bye

VOTE: Hawk

Oh well, no use crying over spilled milk

But you can scumread over spilt milk

Not_Mafia you have not earned the right to talk. Be banished!

~Not Firebringer.

You're not my dad!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Fakehammers are my life

Bye

VOTE: Hawk

Am I seriously the only one bothered by the lack of effort from this slot?

Nah me too, that guy is scum

Third times a charm

VOTE: Darklyn

VOTE: nancuy

Nancy=fake

VOTE: NM

Why am I fake?

Because you're scum

VOTE: nancy

Sayonara

Wow you bore

So what I'm saying is

So what I'm saying is

I'm not watcher and have no guilty

You're an angrypants

I disagree

VOTE: havinggfitz

VOTE: havingfitz

Drake and fitz are clear scumbuds

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VOTE: havingfitz

nancy and Drake are scumbuddies, third is in Titus Hawk and TwoFace

In an iso of 47 posts not a single bit of reasoning found(original or otherwise).

Not_Mafia is playing the too scummy to be scum angle. Only thing that makes sense.

[momo]

No scum hunting done all game.

[momo]

Please quote your iso and point out scum hunting with actual reasoning.

[momo]

I want ONE of your posts that have scum hunting in them.

ONE.

And find it yourself.

[momo]

No. You are asking what a scum read is. You are not telling us a scum read with reasoning.

I want you hunting for scum, not definitions.

[momo]

And not just stating. Providing reasoning.

[momo]

Quote me a post!!!!!

Don't comment one word. Just do it.

[momo]

But that was not scum hunting. That was you asking what a scum read is.

Here I will give you criteria:

1. State someone who you think is scum
2. The post most have reasoning in it

P-Edit: And what did you gives us after your questioning, no reasoning that's what. Follow the criteria and quote a post. And no more of this Drake nonsense please!!

P-Edit2: ORIGINAL REASONING REQUIRED

[momo]

To little from Not_Mafia and even that much came after incessant prodding. And still, reasoning is not strong.

My vote remains. Anyone want to join me.

[momo]

Not going to bother right now with a player not even remotely town.

EVERYONE ELSE, WHERE ARE YOU?????????????????????????????????
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[momo]

-_^

[momo]

Would prefer you bussing nancy Not_Mafia

[momo]

Fake Claim^^^^

[momo]

2F, vote Not_Mafia.

Between (mainly)myself, and TB, the reasons are all there. He is the most viable lynch of the day. And if not him, then nancy.

[momo]

i am sticking with my vote on nancy/fitz for now. I don't know what is going on with NM and TB with the whole watcher claim so until that is cleared up, I see no reason to change my vote

I am happy with a nancy wagon. Very happy in fact. I just think that people won't let it pick up.

[momo]

What about nancy and Not_

[momo]

Fitz. I want honwsty from you. DO you(as her replacement) think nancy was being scummy??

[momo]

I'd be ok with a Titus lynch but fitz isn't doing anything and Nancy was scummyAF

I would def prefer a fitz lynch. Replaces into pressured scum slot and has no idea how to defend himself.

Considering titus replaced lucca....eh. Feel better with a fitz lynch.

[momo]

VOTE: havingfitz

[momo]

Just read nancy's iso.

[momo]

calling titus fitz scum team right now!!!

[momo]

Fitz is def scum

Titus is def fitz's scum buddy.

Game solved!!!

[momo]

Will give more when U am home but my scum trio is

Fitz
Titus
Not Mafia

[momo]

Guys titus replaced LUCCA.

Guys, fitz replaced NANCY.

Lucca was obv!scum. Nancy was scum.

[momo]

Earlier in the thread.

[momo]

This game losing traction fast.

[momo]

This game is actually falling apart.

[momo]

Guys, the emotions running around in this thread is becoming too much. Not trying to be an ass, but people honestly need to stop crying and play the game.

I will be voting Titus now. Let us try and lynch scum.

If we have a cop, please target fitz tonight.

VOTE: Titus

[momo]

Because titus replaced lucca,who was obv scum. I SR nancy/you and titus seemed like your buddy(can't remember exactly where).

[momo]

Titus is definitely town.

Needs explanation

[momo]

I'm pretty sure that nancy was town. Fitz is also towny independently. Wagon on them was really dumb.

Needs explanation

@Severa, who did you replace??

[momo]

Hmm, I just realized titus replaced lucca

That is one of the biggest reasons I scum read that slot. Consider it.

[momo]

I has slight scum lean on Aubey(not mentioned because I felt like I had bigger fish to fry)but Severa is acting so of. I know she town reads me which is correct but her train of thought makes no sense for town. Like she has no evidence to support her case.

I gotta say:

VOTE: Severa

[momo]

I has slight scum lean on Aubey(not mentioned because I felt like I had bigger fish to fry)but Severa is acting so of. I know she town reads me which is correct but her train of thought makes no sense for town. Like she has no evidence to support her case.

I gotta say:

VOTE: Severa

If your dumb ass wants to lynch me for replacing in and correcting all of your collective dumb asses then do it.

The reason being proposed that I'm scum is that I correctly townread slots that you should all be ashamed to scumread if you're town. Get better.

No fuck you all get better at this game.

VOTE: Severa

This is TOO FAKE!!!!

[momo]

Sorry if this is bad time. Hope everything is alright Titus.

--

Spoiler: Why I think Titus is scum, sorry RC.

So TB in 866 offers Titus a chance to engage with him about reads and the game state. She says she hasn't read and has zero reads which is fine and completely NAI considering she just replaced in. What isn't fine is her ending the conversation right there. Rather than asking if there is a person he wanted her to look into or a particular sequence of events he wanted her to look at, she just shuts the door. No attempt to follow up at all with him either in her ISO.

Titus questions (872, 875) why Dark is being ran up and questions if he's lynch bait. Both seem like very odd questions based on what I know about her. I'd expect her to have made some sort of attempt to read the game by then as well ask if she could do a bit of meta diving on Dark because she thrives off information in order to make the best decisions as town. Every time I read these questions they feel forced and the lack of concern shown by her hopping on the Dark wagon feels very scummy, especially after she just told Fire in 870 she isn't voting until she has a feel for things. How did getting the recap from someone you just said you don't have a read on and asking those questions gave her a realistic feel of the game state?

The biggest thing however is our back and forth based on the Aubrey slot which has sadly been tainted by Severa. I believe she is lying about genuinely reaction testing due to a visible lack of progression. She calls Aubrey town in 956 and then claims the reason she voted for him in 1351 was because she was reaction testing. Why would she feel the need to test the wagons by voting a town read? The only explanation I can see would be that her read on him wasn't as strong or she started scum reading him. I can't see how her read on the slot changed because the only interaction they had during this time was just 1122. There are no other interactions with her and Aubrey during this time. There are also no interactions between her and anyone else about Aubrey during this time so I highly doubt she suddenly started scum reading him. In the post where she calls him town, the tone of it reads assured and confident. It sounded like she had written the slot off as town and had no intention of ever scum reading Aubrey.

I immediately vote for Titus in 1354 and all I'm met with is her trivializing and labeling my vote as being annoyed in 1370. I have made my scum read on her slot known ever when I voted Luca and I've been pushing for her lynch ever since the start Day 2. I've given a series of posts for players to look at is to why I scum read her in hopes people are seeing how scummy she's been but nope I'm just annoyed. Not once has she seriously bothered to engage with me as to why I scum read her.

Shorty after she just starts mindlessly tunneling and discrediting my work by saying my vote was in defense of Aubrey and that I lied about my reasoning (1382, 1406) for why I voted for her. What's wrong with defending a town read? Why is it lying instead of a misunderstanding? Why do I have to justify myself when everyone knows she replaced Luca and anyone can read Aubrey's ISO and see that he was scum reading Luca? She then argues that because I didn't mention Luca in my ISO that I couldn't have possibly had him as obvious scum. This is an actually lie because I actually voted for him and felt confident his wagon would go through. Why couldn't I just have been spending my time looking and/or trying to lynch his partners?

TL:DR: I think Titus is scum for a lack of drive to game solve, her hop on the Dark wagon, and calling her suspicious flip on the Aubrey slot a reaction test.

This is a great explanation that I agree with. And this is not even all. There is the fact Titus replaced lucca. I will try and get some quotes up soon.

[momo]

VOTE: Aubrey

[momo]

UNVOTE:

[momo]

Especially with Severa's reads on them, it feels like she came in, read he role pm, and figured that she as a replacement could ease pressure on her buddies.

Severa, Fitz, and Titus are scum, calling it right now.

[momo]

VOTE: Titus

L-1. 2F, hammer

[momo]

Look, I agree with you, firz and severa are scum.

But Titus is the third scum. And if we can not get the first 2, we can get the third.

[momo]

Hawk, think about our interactions in other games. How did you want us to work as a team???

[momo]

VOTE: havingfitz

This vote will not move

[momo]

When fitz joined, we were not even 50 pages in.

I know that I should believe him but I really don't.

[momo]

So if the evidence is clear, can you people join me on Fitz. I know I have 2F with me but I still need 3 more people.

[momo]

Is this what we really have right now.

Okay so I have a fitz/severa scum team.

And yet people are not voting fitz.

I am counting on LUV to join me

[momo]

severa/rc/hawk

calling it now

[momo]

severa/creature/hawk