Open 677: See Nayne Ples Ples [THE END]

[Creature]

Shit in the sense that comes from scum or shit in the sense that his reads don't look good, consistent and yada yada?

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idk, I don't go into much details either and I know other players that don't go either.

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What are your reads Creature?

Good question.

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I have the top 6 posters as town (maybe M&M not so much rn).

[Creature]

Sakura Hana also looks town.

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Hawk
Kop
havingfitz
Killthestory

These make the square of fire and I think there's very likely two scum in that square of frie.

[Creature]

I call that the square of fire because they were pretty unengaged.

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KTS' there because he disappeared at the start.

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and their play is amazingly terrible

Uh? Just you says that.

[Creature]

This isn't terrible play, it's reasonable to think the top posters are town.

[Creature]

It's not all, Music and Mail are sorta excluded from it.

[Creature]

And I don't want to think one or more from LQ, momo or LUV must be scum. I townread all of them.

[Creature]

There's one lesson I've heard (actually I've created myself):

Say a cop claims at L-3 (and there's confirmed to have a cop), but everybody explicitly claims they're not counterclaiming. Suddenly, three players vote (reaching majority) on the uncounterclaimed cop claim.

Which is the best argument?
1. "They're all scum, no town would ever do it"
2. "No, there must have scum outside, scum would never out all of themselves"

[Creature]

There's one lesson I've heard (actually I've created myself):

Say a cop claims at L-3 (and there's confirmed to have a cop), but everybody explicitly claims they're not counterclaiming. Suddenly, three players vote (reaching majority) on the uncounterclaimed cop claim.

Which is the best argument?
1. "They're all scum, no town would ever do it"
2. "No, there must have scum outside, scum would never out all of themselves"

So wow, much enlight.

Now tell me wtf that has to do with anything in this game.

If you townread all top three posters, will you keep townreading all of them or go into this "there must have scum between the top posters" dilemma?

[Creature]

I'm being accused of bad play for townreading the top three posters.

[Creature]

Am I supposed to not townread all of the top three posters?

[Creature]

I don't put much thought anyway, I just look whenever someone posts and I question "Are these posts town enough?"

[Creature]

What happened to Hawk?

Something like:

[Creature]

Am I supposed to not townread all of the top three posters?

I have the top 6 posters as town

(maybe M&M not so much rn).

I'm not sure how seriously to take 2083.

[Creature]

Actually I said I had the top 6 posters as town because they were:
LicketyQuicky
momo
Lil Uzi Vert
me
Music and Mail
Antihero

I'm confirmed town for myself and Antihero for everyone.

[Creature]

Who's scum there then?

[Creature]

Post names, not groups.

[Creature]

Music and Mail I understand.

LUV I have a good reason to not see them flipping scum.

[Creature]

I'm sorta lost.

I suck at reading Kop tbh.

[Creature]

Let's just end this day.

VOTE: Kop

[Creature]

I like to do it for reactions.

[Creature]

Guess this is my demise.

[Creature]

Scum will kill me so they don't get PoEd.

[Creature]

Goodbye, and good luck town

[Creature]

Twilights where the lynchee doesn't post are boring tbh.

[Creature]

Can something happen?

[Creature]

I hate that uncertainty.

[Creature]

If I kept waiting this much just to see Kop flip town...

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Antihero

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idk, would rather let momo decide himself (as long his choice is reasonable).

[Creature]

Mwahahahaha

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VOTE: Music and Mail

[Creature]

momo, mind sharing your result?

[Creature]

lol what was ETL's strategy?

[Creature]

idk, if that's an SK kill, it should be easy to find the SK.

[Creature]

Any idea on who's the SK?

[Creature]

It's probably someone who thinks ETL is a direct day threat.

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havingfitz is scum btw

[Creature]

idk, I townread LUV.

[Creature]

It'd be good if M&M or havingfitz were SK or there turned out to have no SK at all.

[Creature]

-_-

[Creature]

Creature is town.

I'll take that as a guilty on M&M.

[Creature]

Hawk should also go eventually if the game doesn't end with M&M and havingfitz' lynches.

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What a waste of investigation.

[Creature]

I miss LQ already.

[Creature]

Oh hi, momo got a guilty on you.

[Creature]

lol

Who believes there are two 1-shot cops?

[Creature]

Whatever

VOTE: Hawk

[Creature]

Pushing someone who has the potential to be scum isn't dumb.

[Creature]

Bye Hawk

[Creature]

The vig won't do this just because you want to policy me.

[Creature]

If they're an SK pretending to be vigilante, yes, they probably will.

[Creature]

Let me take a look

UNVOTE:

[Creature]

Yeah, Hawk's claim is obviously false unless both 1-shot cop claimers are lying.

VOTE: Hawk

[Creature]

Who else claimed 1-shot doctor?

[Creature]

Oh good, two obviously false claims.

[Creature]

Hawk doesn't need KTS' result to be confscum tbh.

[Creature]

Hawk scumslipped.

Yey scum lynched

[Creature]

Even better if we have a real vigilante.

[Creature]

Is there any way we can speed night?

[Creature]

And that's lynch.

[Creature]

Hey Anti, if I die and someone claims they vigged me, they're actually an SK.

[Creature]

I'm fine with M&M dying as well.

[Creature]

Scum probably are:
- Hawk
- Music and Mail
- One of {KTS, momo} (leaning momo)

[Creature]

Hawk was already lynched.

[Creature]

You will get results back in the form of Town, Antitown or No Result.

[Creature]

Goodbye momo.

[Creature]

Hopefully there's no SK.

[Creature]

VOTE: momo

[Creature]

Can we vote for a shorter night?

[Creature]

We're lynching fitz today.

VOTE: havingfitz

[Creature]

Yeah, it's down to E&O, Fitz and Sakura.

[Creature]

I'm reasonable confident this is how havingfitz play scum.

[Creature]

Also, if SK ends winning this, I'll make a C9++ without SK because SK basically turns the game ultra swingy and unfun.

[Creature]

havingfitz blending in is scum!havingfitz.

[Creature]

Also, ETL kill doesn't tell anything.

[Creature]

What happened with the SK kill N2? This is a more useful info than the ETL kill.

[Creature]

Do you think havingfitz, Electra and Orestes and Sakura Hana wouldn't do the ETL kill at all because they're not smart enough to go after scum?

[Creature]

ETL kill could also come from an SK afraid of ETL catching him/her.

[Creature]

idk, his engagement here looks higher.

[Creature]

tbh I hate SKs, so you can hunt them yourself.

[Creature]

than his scum games.

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Could you take a look at Large 200?

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I'm feeling like Alisae's engagement in this game is also lower than usual.

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This is why SKs are bad, there's no way town can find them at all, specially if the main scum faction are all dead.

[Creature]

Okay, how survivalistic are each of LUV, E&O, fitz and Sakura?

[Creature]

After Open 657 I'm feeling like I should just lynch whoever lurked the entire game and blame them if they're all town.

[Creature]

I know havingfitz would surely have more than 23 posts and would have made some cases around.

[Creature]

SK may not play the same as groupscum, but they still sometimes go to "oh I don't need to scumhunt anyway"

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"I don't need to put that much effort anyway, town will notice that my scumhunting is genuine"

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"I don't have partners to worry, town will probably notice I'm unlikely to be scum with a certain scum that will soon flip and then I'll coast to endgame"

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What have you done all the game?

[Creature]

You went pretty unnoticed. What happened?

[Creature]

What about before that?

[Creature]

Yes, you were unnoticeable.

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VOTE: havingfitz

[Creature]

Hi Alisae, why were you lurking earlier? It felt like you weren't playing this game at all.

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What do you think about Sakura Hana?

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I'd rather not, unless that PR is being lynched.

[Creature]

Alright let's play mafia btw someone wanna tell me why the IC isn't dead yet?
-Electra (Ali)

Rather why would SK choose KTS over Anti? They were both pretty much not going to be lynched.

[Creature]

Meh feeling like E&O is town.

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Gonna say fuck it, feel free to vote LUV.

However, if he flips town, I don't want to be the one doing the job to sort MyLo.

[Creature]

Ugh, then I remember I feel like both heads weren't talking with each other at all.

[Creature]

RC wasn't even scumreading me, just saying to policy lynch me.

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Antihero, are you still up for a LUV lynch?

[Creature]

VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

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Though, if I feel like I am wrong, I want to go back to havingfitz.

[Creature]

Why is havingfitz clear?

[Creature]

You have only 25 posts out of 2478 posts, you're totally absent, which is your scum meta and everybody else has done something that is somewhat town.

That's a pretty solid case. I just wonder why players are ignoring you.

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Lynch Order should be Creature, NL/LUV.

Error: Mislynch target is too town.

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Yes.

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Why am I scum?

[Creature]

Oh nice, so if I turn out to be town and you're town, will you not just blindly trust RC anymore?

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but wrong.

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You know there's a reason town doesn't just sheep someone they think is accurate.

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Sakura Hana, why aren't you SK hunting?

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UNVOTE:

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havingfitz, I have seen your Open 658 play.

Don't pretend I didn't.

[Creature]

UNVOTE:

I still wanted to do havingfitz.

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Sorry, this game makes my head hurt.

[Creature]

Oh man, I still genuinely hate 9:3:1 setups.

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