Open 675: Pick Your Power X/Y (Game Over!)

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cloud i was hoping to go sequencewise but ok

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This is a terrible idea whoever floated it.

A full massclaim will just bring out all PRs in open- we are all doing what scum basically would have done through the rolecop- thats if they had one.

And a partial claim of "not picked RB" is of no use.

No its not of no use nemo please claim

btw cloud whats my nickname-based-on-avatar

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1 killthestory
1 davesaz

1 Cloudkicker Transcend

1 Dunnstral
1 Prince Lyon
10 nancy alban
10 nancy alban
3 PenguinPower
10 gigabyteTroubadour
3 bangthemafia
3 PenguinPower

Considering all 1's could claim at the same time, my slot did not ask for the rb role, now its

KTS DAVE PL DUN

turn

he claimed nay

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yeah i noticed lmao

nancys gotta claim twice, i go after pp but penguin goes a second time after me

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2 schadd_ - cop/redirector
4 WhemePlay - tracker/jk (flipped)
5 Titus

Lil Uzi Vert

- ub/rc
7 Spade_Ace - cop/redirector
16 momo

Persivul

- ub/rc (flipped town)
3 PenguinPower
3 bangthemafia - not rb/doc
10 gigabyteTroubadour
10 nancy

alban

1 Prince Lyon
1 Dunnstral
1 Cloudkicker

Transcend

- not rb/doc
1 davesaz
1 killthestory - n3 vig/vengeful

[gigabyteTroubadour]

davesaz is up

then dunn
then lyon
then nancy
then me
then pp

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lmao i'll take what i can get

also yeah i was thinking the same with kts unless scum took both vigs - OS vig is awesome for scum and if they only take that one they can use it as a strongman unlike the n3 one

but since they took rb if schadd is town it's prob town

if titus is scum that they took rc+rb which is believable imo

dave is locktown based on meta and i make zero sense as a titus or nancy partner. lyon im also pretty sure is town based on meta

VOTE: nancy

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^that was a bunch of pedits in one

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cloud what about dunn

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isnt nancy the bigger wagon

plus alban is scummier

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i think they're equal idk

whichever one is bigger i'll vote

i think it's titus/nancy/pp atm

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if my srs are about equal i vote the biggest wagon out of them bc that means it's less work to convince people which is key around deadline

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:/

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i want a vc

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3 PenguinPower
10 gigabyteTroubadour
10 nancy alban
1 Prince Lyon
1 davesaz

RB pool

people claiming to not take it can still be rbs i think?

i think it's pp though

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How are the people higher on the list who haven't claimed anything excluded?

everyone above pp has already claimed or flipped

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have her track dunn

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idk one regret from last pyp was not lynching for the ace of clubs earlier since having a lynchpool of like {kison, gerry, twie, luv} would have been really useful

pedit:

VOTE: titus

i double checked btw nancy and titus are equal

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VOTE: penguinpower

titus giving me a "just wants to lynch anyone" read is objectively wrong

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also since nancy claimed i did not go for doc/rb

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also since nancy claimed i did not go for doc/rb

which means either someone lied or pp is the rb

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also titus tracking kts tonight is a dumb idea, he's not going to shoot until n3 and on n3 he shoots his vig target and can only use 1 action anyway

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honestly assuming town didnt go for a doctor is kind of surprising

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{schadd, pp, bang, giga, nancy, lyon, cloud, dunn, davesaz} possible rbs/schadd is scum

I dont think first-seed scum picks cop over vig

the 1-picks are all obvtown

i know i'm town

bang is probtown

so nancy theres really no reason for you to not suspect pp here tbh

unless you disagree with a read here

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if scum took rb/doc (which is likely the case unless penguin is town, ccs schadd, and schadd scum but i think a gambit like that is kind of pointless) then taking an extra kill is a smarter move tactically since they can rb the cop, strongman it if town decides to jk it (with vig), or just get a second shot

denying town the cop is only worthwhile if scum are worried they cant get any other prs

First seed scum would absolutely pick cop to deny it to town I think.

But I don't read schadd as scum atm.

then it's a difference of opinion i guess i would take the vig 100% of the time

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titus is UB/RC 100% of the time because persivul is conftown and roleswapping with spade or schadd partners is dumb - but good point about spade bang

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i dont think a scum roleblocker though ties themselves down to a vt claim early on though

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i dont think scum!bang calls out a spade roleblocker like that but other than that that's a good point

titus/spade also doesnt make much sense from D1 interactions

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titus can be rc-scum imo, lyon just townreads titus while i think she's a likely partner to my sr and my rb read. i'm trusting him though and saving her for later

i dont think scum!bang calls out a spade roleblocker like that but other than that that's a good point

titus/spade also doesnt make much sense from D1 interactions

Naay. Go read Open 664. Spade and his scumbuddy Aelin were continuously fighting and FoSing each other day 1, and voted for each other. Aelin got lynched day 1 and that gave Spade towncredits. What I mean is that Spade is capable of elaborate charades too.

if you mean the first point then i dont think you gain much from calling him out and you lose nothing by keeping quiet. i'd keep quiet if spade were my partner and town had the rb pool wrong

on the second point it's more from titus than spade, titus usually doesn't have her partners as top scumreads

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everyone sans penguin has claimed not rb/doc pick

meaning penguin is scum or someone lied

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not rb can equal doctor

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but yeah lack of cc means thats probs not it

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yes i deduced as much

who do you think is the rb though if not you

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what a ninja

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With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day ends in 1 day, 3 hours, 10 minutes.

: - )

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: ^ )

i'd say something but you're voting the same wagon as me so i can't really bitch to you

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no

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i've always been a tails kinda person myself

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oh

what would freud think

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what do i win

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oh man

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i'vebe en laughfing for 3 minutes straight upflnafo;;

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Titus (3): bangthemafia, Cloudkicker, davesaz
Spade_Ace (2): schadd_, Killthestory
Killthestory (1): Titus

Not Voting (2): PenguinPower, nancy

@everyone but pp and cloud explain why your vote is better than a pp vote

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Ugh, this is taking too long. Optimal play for town is to make certain lynch choices by day and expect at least one useful result from night actions.
Unless mafia played suboptimally on purpose to try to deceive me specifically (since I'm dialed in mechanically on that certain lynch choices thing), there is definite scum in <giga, nancy> and <Titus, Spade>.
I don't know who the 3rd scum is but a scum flip within one of the above two pairs will likely give us a smoking gun somewhere.
Discussion?

i mean i've thought titus/nancy is a thing all game

not sure why you've been scumreading me when you should know my style in general and in apathy games voting aimlessly on which ever wagon i sr and can get momentum on is what i do so like

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UNVOTE:

so you're the neighborizer? who did you neighborize?

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WAIT WHY WOULD YOU TARGET NO ONE

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ok whatever we're not lynching pp but he's absolutely neighborizing davesaz tonight

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Almost did Giga, but then the end of D1 made me not.

davesaz is obvtown and unlikely to die btw which is why i picked him

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VOTE: nancy

should have been the d1 lynch

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pp i think isnt the kind of scum player who can neighborize and manipulate successfully imo so if his claim is confirmed he's town like 90% of the time

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lyon/davesaz/giga/dunn is a strong enough townbloc D3 imo so we should be ok...?

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well thats what confirming his role is for

i guess if he's scum he neighborizes a smoother scum player into his hood? idk

pp i think isnt the kind of scum player who can neighborize and manipulate successfully imo so if his claim is confirmed he's town like 90% of the time

I really shouldn't argue this, but I kinda want to.

id expect an emotional player to do that kind of play not a logical one

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i feel like scum are more inclined to want to prove their role/get immediate usage asap

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pp who do you want to neighborize

The point of neighbourizing people is to sort them. Not neighbourizing N1 means you can't sort anyone in the hood.

different strokes for different folks, i like having night chat w townreads and dont want to give scum the chance to manipulate me even i they sr (example, drealmerz even though i knew he was scum fucked w my reads because we were trying to manipulate each other)

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*if theyre srs

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because we want to confirm your role so we'll want to know later anyway

plus if nancy isnt the rb you have an easy out as scum if your claim is fake in being rb'd (and if you're town it's possible you'll be framed, especially if titus is scum) so you might not even successfully prove it for a while

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so basically we're not lynching pp or titus today

nancy or spade it is

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fine just dont pick someone obviously about to die (schadd obviously, probably lyon or even cloud)

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why is nancy townie again

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cloud is trans, nancy alban

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i feel like the gamestate is town townreading each other at first but then refusal to cooperate/bad blood makes us scumread each other and prevents any shot of consensus

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oh yeah i guess

give him the chance to prove his claim imo

also pp who are spade's partners then?

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like unless it's a real fucking hail mary i doubt scum fakeclaims something provable

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which is why id prefer a davesaz target

also nancys claim is ://

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rolecop is an even shittier first pick tho

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If Penguin is scum there are scum before him in the pick order.

schadd, titus, or spade

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rolecop is an even shittier first pick tho

rolecop is just a shitty scum pick period considering how easily claims come in this setup btw but a team with newer players/who never played the setup imo could not know that

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OH

titus tracks PP

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OH

titus tracks PP

^^ @titus we absolutely need to prove your roles ^^

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OH

titus tracks PP

Why is that useful?

she can see if you visit anyone

you can verify the target even if rb'd

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plus if you roleswapped with a partner all that does is tie you two together

@lyon do u agree with the proposed plan

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gbt you think he would actually have no targeted as town?

it's a weird play that i'd be cautious of making personally but the fact that as scum i'd be worried about how truthful my claim looks

if as town he felt he didnt trust anyone then i guess it makes sense from his pov

like the takeaway here is it's a werid play as town but it makes 0 sense to me as scum-trying-to-survive

like in his posituon as an rb i'd just CC schadd

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not particularly

like he's not a townbloc tier tr but i never really liked the srs on his slot and found some of his earlier posts townie

at worst i'd lynch him an hour before deadline

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davesaz flips town 100% of the time

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not lynching today mechanically: titus, pp

townreads im not compromising on ever: lyon, dunn, davesaz, cloud, schadd

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first thing tomorrow titus outs how pp neighborized

pp verifies or ccs

we massclaim starting with davesaz going up

then lynch as normal

i think the scumteam is dun + nancy + probably titus

why dunn

I am not going to leave KTS alive tomorrow and risk them getting a vig shot off

can we just lynch them

kts is a n3 vig - if he makes a scummy shot he gets lynched, and we probably leash him anyway?

not opposed but far from my first choice

@giga: Are you sure on Dunnstral? He just made himself a candidate for mystery scum.

it's hard with apathy in general but i think this is how town!dunn engages with the game

i need reasons to sr him

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literally every decision or thought ive made this game has been contingent on alban scum so i really want to flip that slot

if i'm wrong i probably lynch kts anyway so

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yeah town dunn does that a lot iirc

i should meta that point i guess

also im watching a movie so im going to afk for a while sorry

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movie starts at 11:10 lmao oops

what's nancy at

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we can always talk about targets tomorrow

n3 not n2

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pp claimed neighborizer, titus is planned to track him so we can verify his claim and hers too, nancy is probably the lynch

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sure why not i guess - dunn is kinda right

would like a votecount im not counting votes at 1 am dont want a derphammer etc

might do so tom

pedit: what bang said

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Isnt this hilarious that we are requesting one of the top scumreads of many of us to track another scumread. What if they are scumtogether?

town gold

oh i didn't even notice that but yeah then they'd just tie each other together because verified role =/= conftown here and titus/pp are likely lynches later so if, say, titus is scum and flips rolecop "confirming" penguin's target we speedlynch penguin

if they're both scum they cc each other so they don't both go down after a flip

penguin is 100% real considering that my slot tried the neihborizer slot and failed. Considering no CCs it means that if penguin is not Neihborizer then scum is which doesnt make sens

yeah penguin probably took the neighborizer but his play doesn't make sense for the role

i thought it over we should just verify them not lynch them

pedit: also dunn is right that gives like 0 info other than the fact there probably is a neighborizer for real

i'm still on nancy right?

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he could have roleswapped but that's dumb (but a plausible possibility)

we keep both him and titus alive and have titus track him

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No, if anyone else was neihborizer slot they would CC, the only reason why they wouldndt cc is because they are mefia with penguin meaning that mefia might roleswap with penguin. Which means that mefia mightve went for the neihborizer or fruit vendor roles yet no one is claiming either = penguin is the role and he is neihborizer and he didnt neihborizer for the exact stupid reason he said he didnt. A mefia neibhorzier wouldve used it or never claimed it

thats exactly what i said

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spade is the only person he can rs with 100% safely

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we lynch nancy or spade today, no ifs ands ors or buts

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No, if anyone else was neihborizer slot they would CC, the only reason why they wouldndt cc is because they are mefia with penguin meaning that mefia might roleswap with penguin. Which means that mefia mightve went for the neihborizer or fruit vendor roles yet no one is claiming either = penguin is the role and he is neihborizer and he didnt neihborizer for the exact stupid reason he said he didnt. A mefia neibhorzier wouldve used it or never claimed it

thats exactly what i said

i typed it before your post

thought u were talking to me sorry

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literally never played with nancy my read is 80% based on alban 10% not liking the kts sr 10% weird titus interactions

We can always test penguin neihborizing + titus ability to watch in the same night

*track

yeah thats what i'm trying to do (at this point it's more for titus)

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i dont see the point in lynching a verifiable claim we get more info about titus too

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if he's roleswapping titus catches him if she's town lyon

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/: :/

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we're so close but we have no flips so how can i know if we just confbiased the fuck out this

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{pl, gbt, titus, nancy}

I will compromise on anyone who isn't in that pool if you guys can find something you agree on

spade by i prefer nancy significantly and will only vote there if i cant get nancy at all

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depending on who it is i might help

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no that poe is bad sorry kts is probably the only one that flips scum

trans was obvious town by meta, i'm obvious town (sorry i'm trying to secure a lynch before deadline??), bang maybe but his last few posts have been pretty transparently town

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we can leash his shot ideally but i wouldn't mind lynching him at deadline

i want to lynch someone who can flip rb ideally

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{Spade_Ace, PenguinPower, bangthemafia, gigabyteTroubadour, nancy, Prince Lyon, Dunnstral, Cloudkicker, davesaz} < possible rbs

actually pp can safely roleswap with anyone below him :/

it's an issue of pp being the rb and roleswapping with someone else that leads to ccs - all we know is that he can't roleswap with davesaz

so like if pp is the rb and roleswaps with scum neighborizer nancy then town!bang or me can cc him possibly

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^meaning pp is probably just the neighborizer (but whether town or scum is tbd)

i'm lynching in {spade, nancy}

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VOTE: Spade

L-1

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spade probably flips town here but there's only like 8 hours i don't see a flash wagon on nancy happening

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spade probably flips town here but there's only like 8 hours i don't see a flash wagon on nancy happening

Even if you think am scum, you should be voting for someone who you think can flip RB. There is literally no way that i can flip RB.

i mean you're marginally less likely than nancy to be the scum rb as a result of that claim but idk if it clears you because you didn't claim what you picked before hand so you could have tailored that part of the fakeclaim, and also the scum rb, being provable, has a good reason to want to solidify a vt claim early on

i don't think it's something most people think of though

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it's a really safe guess??

did you claim you knew it d1? i don't remember

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ugh

VOTE: nancy

lyon i'm sorry but this absolutely has to be the lynch today

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i keep looking at the votecount and i'm not sure how a nancy lynch is possible ://

Should I reveal what PR I missed out on??

you could have claimed ub/rc but whatever you're right it really doesn't make sense

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What valid scenario has a 4th pick townie going for cop, a role which is almost always picked by the 1st townie in the draft?

to make sure scum doesn't try to deny it from town? if anything i'd advocate for first seed to NOT pick cop so they're not perma-roleblocked

the very last person in the draft won cop last time

also that can mean that spade is scum but he isn't the roleblocker in that case - it'd be like nancy or maybe bang

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@dunn dave and lyon please vote nancy or at least spade

Nah, giga probably just isn't wanting to lynch within my pool to help me out by bussing or solving things for me.

i dont want to lynch in your pool because it's mostly town or mechanically bad lynches

Even if you think am scum. I cannot be a RB. And town's optimal play is to lynch someone who might flip RB.

The back half of your wagon ain't town.

yes nancy isn't town

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dave can you compromise on nancy today?

titus is most likely scum but town wants to have her test her claim on penguin so we're not lynching her and you're a single vote when there's only 5 hours left

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dave if you think spade is scum he's at l-2 and titus is willing to hammer

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Vote Count 2.11

Spade_Ace (6):

schadd_, Killthestory, nancy, PenguinPower, bangthemafia, Titus

nancy (4):

Spade_Ace, Cloudkicker, gigabyteTroubadour, davesaz

PenguinPower (2):

Dunnstral, Prince Lyon

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day ends in (expired on 2017-03-18 19:31:00).

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yeah we need schadd_ or bang to lynch nancy

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titus not tracking penguin tonight is a scumclaim

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oh it's like midnight in india (that's where bang and alban (and spade..?) are from right)

gonna see if schadd checks in but i think he's staying put on spade

i'll hammer in like 3 hours

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^if dave doesn't hammer now

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so titus really is scum ok

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What's going on?????

zzz

giga

pp wagon died, nancy and spade are dueling cws and spade is about to be hammered by me or dave

it's like skelda all fucking over again

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spade probably flips town here

Get off him

i'm on nancy

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nancy cannot be lynched w/o a self hammer or schadd logging on and changing his mind about spade

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in no universe where nancy is scum is she going to be lynched with the votes as they are

i realize but i'm hoping for schadd doing a hail mary

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honestly go grundy for keeping track and doing vcs near deadline

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i mean he lurked most of the game out i can understand him not having reads

if he doesn't trust anyone enough then sure he might not want to neighborize them

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dunn if you're ccing please dont be coy with it

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i mean he lurked most of the game out i can understand him not having reads

Why is penguinpower voting spade_ace

i have no clue spade_ace has literally been scum's favorite vote this whole game and i called as much d1

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like pp is probably scum now that i think of it but i want titus to track him

the team is nancy/titus/pp

@lyon just tell her to track penguin if she's town she's getting roleblocked if we lynch spade

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we literally do not have the votes nor time to do so dunn the dl is in four hours

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How about people try piling onto penguin so I can tell who the rest of scum are rather than the entire town thinking we can't lynch him

fine since nancy can't be lynched unless schadd votes for her i'll do this but it's useless

VOTE: pp

I feel like wagons are tvt and scum are just trying to keep the wagon off PP atm

but the thing is if nancy isn't scum and titus isn't either who is?

not dave
not dunn
not cloud
not bang
not spade
not me
not you

???

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Spade_Ace (6): schadd_, Killthestory, nancy, PenguinPower, bangthemafia, Titus
nancy (3): Spade_Ace, Cloudkicker, davesaz
PenguinPower (3): Dunnstral, Prince Lyon, gigabyteTroubadour

:/

spade and bang are offline

schadd is mia

pp won't self-vote

titus and cloud won't vote vote pp

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^ a vig that's not shooting today regardless of alignment

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Am online. Can't sleep. Following the game. Can vote for PP if you think that wagon works.

please do ://

if we all vote pp we can lynch scum today

If we all vote kts bang cloud or giga we have a good shot at hitting scum. Only 1 there is town.

if you're town i'm quoting this post game

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dave if you agree that post is good vote pp

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yeah i figured

also trans had bad reads but does that correlate to him being scum? why the change in read

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grundy, will a roleblocked PR be shown as visiting their intended target if tracked?

more later but this needs to be cleared up

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was that already cleared up or is it in the rules

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gotcha

will think about the ramifications of this when i have a chance but i'm pretty sure nancy is the rb here

titus has to be pp's partner for him to be the rb

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why not roleblock titus...?

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also are we massclaiming today?

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right

sorry i'm like multitasking not really thinking straight

lyon if nancy and titus are scum the team is pp/kts/and? cloud...?

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right

sorry i'm like multitasking not really thinking straight

lyon if nancy and titus are scum the team is pp/kts/and? cloud...?

are town**

dave i scumread nancy does that help

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catfish

uh

dont call vivian that if thats what you mean

also i agree w cloud that nancy is probably the right play bc i think shes the rb but i'm open to pp

i need to read and talk to lyon etc etc

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VOTE: PenguinPower

willing to bet btw the team is pp/nancy/titus, with an offchance of pp/nancy/kts

{dunn, lyon, me, davesaz} are all incredibly obvious town

trans doesn't replace out of here as scum

out of fucking boredom

and i want lyon to tell me why he scumread trans's play here when i think trans's scumplay is usually obvious (or it at least has been recently) so cloud's town

bang is townie

kts doesnt really make sense as a nancy partner but ???

nancy and titus have been tied to each other since LUV soft-defended him in rvs and those slots have been working together as a fucking scumbloc that everyone refuses to lynch

like i 100% agree with Lyon's theory that scum piled onto spade to defend PP here now that I'm looking at it and i think the only reason widely scumread players have made it this fucking far is that town can't work together and scum can just push what they want together at the last minute while no one else cares

also titus working through her vca now

literally with the assumption i'm scum

makes 0 sense from a town perspective. i don't think she has ever intentionally biased her vca like that before as town and if she is in fact town i would like an example of when she's done as much.

also clearing alban from an rvs wagon not getting traction doesn't make any sense and i've never gotten a response as to why scum would do anything to an rvs wagon whether it's on a partner or on a townie who is scummy.

even outside of whatever vca theory she has titus has 0 reason to scumread me and like i've always had this unshakable feeling that titus has never actually read the game

nancy has alban and that's basically all you need to know about my read on her. being the most logical rb is icing.

kts vigs titus if pp flips scum and nancy if town.

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^ actually reverse that

the only point that makes titus possibly town with pp!scum is the way pp jumped on her push on me EoD1

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if i've just been right about my reads this whole time and we just couldn't agree on a lynch (meaning we're going 3 for 3 on scum soon), then scum lost the moment they shot whemeplay

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basically someone from the {nancy, titus} bloc has needed flip ALL GAME and it just hasn't happened

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that's fine too

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fair i guess?

i want to say "it's cloud" but like that's such a shit excuse

Err than PP/nancy/Titus.

read it that way anyway : P

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pp is a better lynch than nancy btw cloud because of the counterwagon shenanigans from yesterday

like considering how obviously town everyone off that wagon is i dont buy that all three scum jumped on a cw to spare the next day's ML when they still have plenty of options (presumably?)

Pretty tired of this.

VOTE: nancy

This is where my 50/50 is leaning, and I'm sick of the tunnel.

can you name a full team

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it's the day before lylo though

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like that's one way i can see if you're not bussing because i think nancy is scum but i think you are too and you're in a viable position to bus

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actually considering the gamestate scum basically have to bus here

Great. Lynch me, and it's LyLo. idgaf.

you should at least try :/

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i dont get why ppl's reactions to me softballing them when i'm scumreading them is always something like this

"hey there's a chance you're town what does the gamestate look like from your pov?"

"nope..................................... looks like i'm dead here guys sorry............................................... hope u have fun in lylo......................"

i've seen it from both town and scum so idk but still

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maybe it's my 18-year old youthtideousness that just makes me never want to give in but like i see 0 town reason to give in here but that doesnt make it scum etc

I've made my vote, I've said what I'm going to say...town will do what it will do.

p-edit

Get over yourself. This has nothing to do with you.

this is just a bad mindset regardless of alignment but ok

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might as well but i also might as well ask you what the gamestate looks like from your pov

nancy has to have two partners - do you agree titus is one of them?

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youthtideousness

where did this word come from

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Dunno. Probably one of Titus and nancy/bang. I think Nancy.

Gut says scum grabbed role cop and role blocker, and set me up once I outed.

why only one of titus/nancy/bang? i still think titus+nancy is viable

rolecop+roleblocker makes a lot of sense as picks too and that would mean you sr titus because only titus has that

not sure why you sr pl/dunn either

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Dunno. Probably one of Titus and nancy/bang. I think Nancy.

Gut says scum grabbed role cop and role blocker, and set me up once I outed.

the question is whether you think he'd call out both his partners here

twist he might be town!!!

no but i want to figure this out if i'm wrong

i hate working with townflips and not getting the dead person's thoughts

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youthtideousness

where did this word come from

No idea. Could you webster-define?

it's not a real word

only source i found was a really old trollfic i read in 2014 and thought was t h e s h i t so i guess it just slipped from my subconcious

what would freud think

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god now i'm nostalgic

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have you played with town!rc though

he's definitely one of those "when i'm right i'm right" kind of people i totally expect him to tunnel here if he's confident

also examples of dunn being willing to listen to you? like in the grand scheme of the game dunn has been tunneling you the whole time and has basically been the strongest advocate for your lynch until lyon took the helm but that's more lyon having more influence in general

it's not a real word

I was kidding. Hoping you would create the definition.

"youthfulness"

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oh right that game

we went at it D1

so does his push here feel any different?

other than the fact he's less "RC" and feels more chill/gentle than normal

also examples of dunn being willing to listen to you?

Tonal, but Dunn has eased today (easy enough to read yourself) given alternate explanations. Yes, both their votes remain.

i'll reread this then

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i felt like he was more open minded to cloud? :/

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talk to me about 3504 then tomorrow

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i shouldnt be here and i dont have the energy to do anything but im here

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you hammered spade that makes you not obviously town

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trans doesn't replace out of here as scum out of fucking boredom and i want lyon to tell me why he scumread trans's play here when i think trans's scumplay is usually obvious (or it at least has been recently)

so cloud's town

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no we're at evens

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i still think pp is the correct lynch today even if he's not rb

nancy is getting vigged today unless kts is scum so if she's the rb she flips or gets tied to kts (vig!kts and has to be partnered with rb!nancy if pp is a neighborizer)

You being scum would fuck my whole reads

funny how ive only seen scum!rc personally before this (ive read like 2 town games but it's not the same)

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so

pp/titus/kts is an impossible team mechanically

you hammered spade that makes you not obviously town

Quickhammering is just not in my repertoire of known plays on forum mefia, ive never done it voluntarily, so this is like either a new scum gambit of mine or just something that is NAI by definition for me

if i dont feel the need to meta a player via cold meta i just dont take meta into account

it's just a sketchy move to vote spade in general when i felt it was obvious the wagons were neck-in-neck but like all it really does in the end is not make me speedvote the other person in 3way

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THAT IS WHY WE ARE LYNCHING PENGUIN. IN NO UNIVERSE IS NANCY THE RB HERE.

wait really

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oh yeah kts can be rb'd lol

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pp - rb
alban - neighborizer
titus - tracker OR kts - n3 vig

hm

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bang does alban taking neighborizer as scum make sense?

like i'm thinking maybe the initial plan pregame was to have him make a hood with you if my reads are right

dont know alban very well but he doesnt seem the type to take neighborizer unless he knew people in the game well

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what if penguin/alban didnt neighborize because they were shooting

Giga, ive been one, if not the few, sole defender of the spade slot since i replaced in. You dont believe me? then please iso me and consider how everyone did scumread the slot and i called him hard since since the start. I am a vastly superior scum player than contradicting myself outright

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What if Transcend replaced out for some reason other than boredom?

you think he ditches his team...??

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What if there's no neighbourizzer

cloud has to be scum for that to be true

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i felt like lyon and me were the only ppl tring spade all game

And pp isnt CCd so pp = neihborizer =/= rb. Penguin cant be rb

is roleswapping really out of the question for you?

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felt like lyon and me were the only ppl tring spade all game

reread me

i meant pre you we

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honestly im kinda pissed that im being questionned

youre not

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yourent

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it's a sketchy play but like you're 90% of the time vs 99.9%

What if there's no neighbourizzer

cloud has to be scum for that to be true

that's what I mean.

Penguin roleblocker Cloud neighbourizer/goon probably nancy goon being bussed.

i cant see trans as scum though

like i'm really trying but??¿?

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90% of the time town**

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cloud is town here

like hes jumpy and weird

but it's likely town still

focus should be on the nancy/titus/pp/kts bloc

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THAT IS WHY WE ARE LYNCHING PENGUIN. IN NO UNIVERSE IS NANCY THE RB HERE.

so why is this

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crap i cant stay awake any more lol

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maybe but i want to explore nancy-as-not-rb bc nancy being the rb has been my assumption

VOTE: Cloudkicker

You've done enough this game.

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rc as tempting as it may be were not policying cloud with only 1 ml

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just shoot nancy i guess

also i doubt theres a watcher this game

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hey nancy

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Tomorrow is lylo though

O.o? Really, how you figure?

3 scum = 3 mls

1 ml left should always be played like the day before lylo imo and thats what we have

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oh lyon said that

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theres like no way theres scum in {lyon me cloud davesaz dunn}

i'd even include bang tbh but im not familiar with him

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lynch the confscum today attempt to shoot the possible scum imo

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banned

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And Pick your power

im ok talking about both pyps we're in

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you're bringing back the Good Ol' Games but it's not ok to talk about 9 Hydra Hell

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it's not ok to talk about 9 Hydra Hell

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saddest thing about this forum is that i cant use emojis

i like and and the arrows and but it's Not The Same

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double deck unlimited?

no that one was a Good Ol' Game

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You guys all came from em right

no i was briefly on PS! but i consider this is my homesite

saddest thing about this forum is that i cant use emojis

Just be like pirate mollie

it's Not The Same

like my emoji usage in text is too spammy and diverse i cant do it from a phone

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it's 6 to lynch not 4 lol

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i'm really weirded out that nothing has happened to this wagon like at all tho