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Yuck. I think Superhans questioning of Grey is bad but this is worse.In post 62, Superhans wrote:Unvoted cos I felt I'd been too aggressive for such a small reason.
I need to clarify this even though the game is on Page 30ish.In post 94, Superhans wrote:I ask for more details, which he could have just told me he's not going to give to me.
Why did you think his answer would change from the first place? Why would your townread of a player who has actively told you do your own work DEGRADE once he actively doesn't help you? Wouldn't the opposite bemuchmore effective for a scumread?
Annoying =/=ScumIn post 166, momo wrote:She uses caps and adds ies to everything, she provides content but that is still annoying
Can you add a scum-aligned flair to this? This makes sense for a lyncher that doesn't exist.In post 179, Fredrick E Campbell wrote:Quick Transcendence is really serious about wanting Grey dead. That's very suspicious.
191 is bad and moves Frederick to a SR.
This increases my SR to 1000000.In post 248, Superhans wrote:
+1 this... Wasn't Quick Transcendence sure Grey was scum?In post 242, Spade_Ace wrote:
How did you conclude that?In post 203, Quick Transcendence wrote:
Town snark.In post 202, -Grey- wrote:I just like rubbing it in your face.
@Mod: Thank you, after reading Pages 9 and 10.
This is forced.In post 276, Superhans wrote:Pleased that Veebs and Momo have been replaced as they were definitely lynch bait, however, I think Momo's behaviour in particular was very indicative of scum. ChaosOmega is a more experienced player, so I'm sure there will be more towny content, but I'll be wary to town clear the slot anytime soon.
It's Page 12 - what do you expect him to have at this point?In post 290, Superhans wrote:well duh
lots of stuff you could be talking about, and instead you pop up to say hi or something.
294 is great because it's everything that I'm thinking.
Agreeing with 346, unfortunately. VI is floating around in my head. This means more votes on Frederick are coming...right???
But this sets me back to lynchville. Either you aren't aware with OMGUS actually means (probable) or you just didn't think of it being justified in the moment.In post 356, Superhans wrote:I generally try to avoid OMGUS attacks because I think it is petty.
382 screams VI again. Riley is TR. I'm gonna land on the VI read.
Said the same thing in a game where she was town with me.In post 411, mattblackguy wrote:She said this same exact thing when she was scum in DBZ mafia.
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This is 100% true and something I want to keep an eye out for. I think the actions are scummy but created by a town player. Anyone who is trying to justify that they are genuine town players should be examined.In post 461, -Grey- wrote:There is no defending that bullshit.
Ooooo finally someone is seeing Frederick scum like me. Thank you Transcendence. I agree with that readslist but I would put Riley higher. Not highest TR but up there.
I then scrolled to 531 and died a little inside. I can't join a Luca wagon but I can definitely do a Frederick wagon.
If my last game with Grey was any indication, hold my beerIn post 532, Quick Transcendence wrote:There's probably a 0% chance I'll get Grey out of his tunnel though.
I will read this after posting and if I agree with you, you have my vote 100%.In post 537, -Grey- wrote:This is the same scumass that got slaughtered on d1 in Open666, so... yeah.
Yeah but Frederick made scummy posts.In post 752, -Grey- wrote:They call Fred out for his lack of activity, but give both PimHel & BTD a pass.
Since he is hammered and scumclaimed, I'm just gonna believe y'all on the meta stuff and put a little bookmark for the next time I ever play with Hans to meta read the shit out of him.
Reads list that may be wrong and I just want to get out there before the thread closes:
Quick Transcendence (hydra of LicketyQuickety and Transcend) - lean town
BTD6_maker - tiny tiny lean town
ChaosOmega - null?
Lil Uzi Vert - TR
lucca261 - TR
Fredrick E Campbell - scum
mattblackguy - leaning scum
Spade_Ace - not hans' aligned but maybe probably the other side (i know I touched briefly on spade_ace interactions)
Riley Cake - TR
chilledtea - Null
-Grey- TR
I have too many TRs. Woo. I will also use scum interchangeably with werewolf until a distinction can/should be made.-
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding - are you responding to my TR on Lucca or Lucca himself?In post 856, -Grey- wrote:
What makes you think 846 has any bearing whatsoever on my read of Lucca?In post 855, Hiraki wrote:You're definitely not town-reading him.
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Darklyn is still mafia btw.
I hate self-defending against nothing but since you claimed your intention to state something of that sort, I don't know how you get to that conclusion based on what I posted unless you think I'm eligible of making that much of a loss of an opportunity.In post 881, -Grey- wrote:I was conflicted between tea and Hiraki being Hans' partner until
Just because you have a question, doesn't mean you should ask it right away.In post 894, Infinity 324 wrote:Is Riley always like this?
@Infinity: Any reason that your "catch-up" into this game seems to be just making forced correlations between Hans and Riley?
It's NAI.In post 923, Infinity 324 wrote:How does that stuff come from town?
No one likes reading your thoughts post by post. Especially when they become more and more useless.In post 933, Infinity 324 wrote:I don't like having to retype everything
I agree.In post 936, Darklyn wrote:
bit of a strange conjectureIn post 934, Umlaut wrote: Hans isn't going to put his buddy as top-tier town or bottom tier scum.
Based on reading Umlaut's 934, Spade is the most logical partner. Will be doing some work tonight into seeing more connections. Honestly didn't look at this game once the flip happened.-
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You literally missed the entire point of this question. Congrats!In post 951, Infinity 324 wrote:Because you're not reading my posts?
Feel free to quote where /you/ explained.In post 952, Infinity 324 wrote:
I just explained why it's not...In post 947, Hiraki wrote:It's NAI.
I didn't wait until it's obsolete.In post 953, -Grey- wrote:Then don't, because it looks stupid if you wait until it's obsolete to speak up.
Nice discredit, man!In post 954, Infinity 324 wrote:Well speaking of uselessness, this post seems to be full of it.-
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Thanks for explaining it. Please don't be an ass next time. Still NAI btw.In post 958, Infinity 324 wrote:Because town wouldn't want more votes, it feels like scum pretending not to care
Agreeing with 959 although I need a Lucca re-read because I think I skimmed him and then gave him a dumb TR (as in I was dumb)-
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Considering that it has happened in at least 2 games where the wagon took less than 2 hours, yes.In post 968, Umlaut wrote:Are you seriously unwilling to put someone at L−4 at most because "quicklynches are the new norm"?
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Call it hasty or being too safe - that's fine. I'm not going to budge until everyone has gotten input. It's not like I've been silent about who I SR either.-
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???????????????
This is your first time speaking about your potential SR of me. I'm not saying that's bad - I'm saying that you're acting like I can't do anything about it unless I please you and I'm not about that game. All I did say was that your argument was illogical toward what I had actually done from my viewpoint.
I don't even understand what this obsolete argument has to do with anything.-
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Yes -In post 975, -Grey- wrote:YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE INTERESTED IN CONTINUING IT.Iam the only one interested in figuring out why you have a potential SR onme.
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I'm not going to argue with you about this because there is a clear denial on your part that you were forcing it to some extent.In post 983, Infinity 324 wrote:
@hirakiIn post 966, Infinity 324 wrote:I still don't see where I'm making correlations between hans and riley though.-
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It's almost like it was my opinion of that post.In post 991, Spade_Ace wrote:How does that make me Hans's logical partner????
Trust me - that is NAI. I have no problem being ballsy if it means that I'll call someone out on their own shit.In post 997, Umlaut wrote:If Hiraki is scum then this was a pretty gutsy response
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Yes, you remember me making opinions as scum.In post 1009, Spade_Ace wrote:I rmbr you doing this as scum. Opinions are based on some reason.
OK - I'm sorry that I have to really go down this simple here. There are clearly implied things that I say when I make the statements versus when someone else makes the statement.In post 1009, Spade_Ace wrote:How did you come to that conclusion, when he himself hasn't said that in his post??
Here's the "correction":
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you didn't ask that. You literally said:
" when he himself hasn't said that in his post?"
Now if you said something to the effect of:
"How did you come to that conclusion?"
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"Why do you think this?"
Then you would be correct. Instead, your argument is phrased to the tune that my interpretation of his post is what I think HE is thinking. I will answer your NEW query later today.
Yes, because that was clearly the most relevant portion of the post. I am dismissing EVERYTHING.Spade wrote:Also nice job in misrepresenting me by editing out the 'dismissing' part.
I already answered this with my opinion on the argument and I have no further intention of continuing this argument.Infinity wrote:I want to know what you meant and where it happened, but you keep dodging the question.-
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Posting what I promised:
I really like 934 because it does a lot of work for me.
At the time, I thought little of this. Now, it's more relevant. I think Lucca is a better player than to make a mistake like this as a werewolf. While he never called it a mistake, it is clearly a mistake.In post 934, Umlaut wrote:Note that lucca himself pointed out that we should rule out people on the Hans wagon, but included himself on the clear list.
This leaves Spade, myself, and Fred.
I think Fred is scum but not werewolf.
125 and 127 are not people on the same team unless they're both ballsy players. I don't know much about Frederick but I do know, especially based off of the last few pages, that Spade is not a ballsy player. That being said, if Spade does flip mafia, we still go here essentially only for 609 where after pages of not posting, Frederick pops in and talks about Spade. Kop has said nothing thusfar.
PoE leaves Spade but my biggest argument is this coaching aspect:
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No offense. But that is a stupid question. I deserved to be killed if you think am a scum not based on my activity. And if activity is the parameter, then there are others who deserve to eat rope before me.In post 283, Superhans wrote:Why do you deserve to live, Spady? What are you actually doing to deserve not being lynched today?
Don't you think it is weird the way QT is pushing for my lynch without giving any reason? I have played with transcend before and he knows I am an easy lynch. If I do end up getting lynched today, lynch QT the next day. Am almost certain they are scum.
This is the only place where you get a hint that Spade knew what he was dealing with. When I play games, I can tell by posting - not by the person's post count - if they know what they're doing in this game.In post 915, Spade_Ace wrote:Hans's level is "Mafia Scum", which means that he was experienced enough to know that inconsistent behavior would make him look scummy.
In contrast, here is Momo who has aGoonrating, which in Spade's terms means that he has to be lower than Hans in terms of quality. Here are the posts on him:
That is NOT something that you say to someone that you think is a newbie.In post 231, Spade_Ace wrote:Even if it is an act, how is it alignment indicative?
Again, there is a distinct difference in ability here but Spade acts as if there is none.
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In post 987, Hiraki wrote:
I'm not going to argue with you about this because there is a clear denial on your part that you were forcing it to some extent.In post 983, Infinity 324 wrote:
@hirakiIn post 966, Infinity 324 wrote:I still don't see where I'm making correlations between hans and riley though.-
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OK so a better question is that if you have so much information on me then why are you staying on this topic (which is clearly not a very argument) and not forming a case rn?
Do you think I'd be left alone if I gave my explanation?In post 1046, Kop wrote:So claiming that, you think that'll make everything OK and you will be left alone?
Infinity starts arguments for the sake of argumenting. I have no intention of feeding into his bait.-
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I am suspected for "concealing" information about something that doesn't matter. I don't read Infinity because he said that. I don't even care about it. The only person who does care about it is Infinity and it's for reasons that are not alignment indicative.In post 1066, Kop wrote:It may not be argument as such, but I'm stating that your suspected, claiming that, doesn't exactly help your case.
I also got that information from the following:
In post 1039, Kop wrote:Right now, if I had my way, I'd drive you to the grave,not just all of what you have been suspected for, but this post alone. I don't like the thought of the game progressing and having that doubt behind this post.-
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@Infinity
Ok but you can't put me in a Werewolf pile because I posted a defense of Hans after he scum claimed. There are hundred of better reasons for me to make a post over night rather than post about it during the time. Either Werewolf me did it for credit (which is dodgy at best) or I made a mistake. It would not surprise me if you thought that highly of your abilities and as little as mine, Infinity.
The fact that you'd think that town edits their posts more than scum is absurd. It's NAI and scum do it more than town.
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You are so masterful, I should just give up now!!!!!
1) Town doesn't do ANYTHING more than scum in terms of editing. That is just a stupid tell. I was making a catch-up post after REPLACING IN.
2) I called him VI. That's not saying "oh! He is town now! Don't you see how townie he is????" - VI implies that he IS scummy but he will flip town.
3) There was no discredit.
4) I'm glad you talked about the point I made where apparently I'm just stupid scum for deciding to post something that is incriminating me right now - oh wait! Doesn't fit your agenda if you thought about that too hard!-
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Yes - please don't start shouting at me whenIn post 1095, Spade_Ace wrote:Fine, lets just say that is part of your thought process.Italk aboutmythought process as if I am the Pope. It really doesn't help my read on you when you're acting like this way to my accusation - someone who you already think as scum. If I am scum, then the overreactions are not necessary. Similarly:
There's no reason to "apply pressure" on someone you think and have proof is scum. You should be convincing others with doubts at this point. I don't feel that you are doing that.In post 1106, Spade_Ace wrote:Am trying to apply as much pressure on you as possible.
Based off of posts 125 and 127 which I reference in my post. You could've easily clarified this but are deciding to shout at me and also add the question in there as a just in case.In post 1095, Spade_Ace wrote:You first ASSUME both of us are DEFINITELY scum and then you ASSUME Fred cannot be werewolf (based on?) and that we cannot be on the same team.
You're fabricating a read on me and it's not hard to see based off of how you're talking to me. It starts with:
"WHAT??? WHAT DO YOU MEAN? THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE - except for this tiny thing!"
The worst offense is that you have doubts in your mind and questions that you want me to answer while also accusing me of those sorts of deals. While Infinity's logic is VI, at least he's not asking fundamental questions at the same time. That's the difference between your two attacks. -Grey- is just doing his own thing and I hope he will stop playing around soon. I think Ari just voted with the top wagon and I am eagerly awaiting her catch-up.
This is also just useless and not needed.In post 1095, Spade_Ace wrote:You promised me a "Most Logical" argument and this is the MOST LOGICAL POE I have ever seen on MS.
I'd like to re-quote this, once again:
Additionally, just so you stop coming after me in the current fashion (which is borderline making me want to leave), I'll remind you that you asked for my thought process.In post 1015, Hiraki wrote:"Based on reading Umlaut's 934, Spade is the most logical partner (TO ME)."
So don't start calling me names when I give you exactly what you asked for and then you start deciding that you really didn't want it in the first place.In post 1016, Spade_Ace wrote:Okay, To You, how am i the most logical partner? The word 'logical' means you had a structured thought process which led you to believe that. Am asking for that thought process.
This is the interesting part when placed in reference to:In post 1098, Spade_Ace wrote:They both probably are mafia.
If that's the case, what did you like about 934 and 938? Is there something that you disagree with? Usually when you have a scumlean on a slot and then it changes to town, it's not just because they put in effort.In post 990, Spade_Ace wrote:@Umlaut I had a scumlean on your slot but I like your 934 and its followup 938. But your vote is misplaced. Am town.-
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I had a large post written up but I think N_M is much much much more probable for WW rather than scum and WW didn't forget kill but decided not to kill in order to help town and their faction's win chances.
@Umlaut he will just refer you to that one time where I decided not to go into a frivolous argument that had nothing to do with my read on him and everything to do with his posting habits-
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you could check literally any of the games where i replace in and comment on everything rather than comment on the current gamestate but w/e, i'm not continuing this argument
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top-tier wagon and arguments were great and very hard for me scumboi ass to defendIn post 1119, davesaz wrote:Hiraki (3) : -Grey-, Infinity 324, Aristophanes-
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