Open 690: Kill All Townies - Game Over

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VOTE: bellaphant

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VOTE: game and burger

feels super forced.

Nah

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VOTE: Balki

this is scum

Nah

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VOTE: Balki

this is scum

We really only have room for one tryhard.

Nah

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VOTE: GameNBurger - Because he's scum.

Nah

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Hey

Hey

Hey

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VOTE: Sesq

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Hey

Hey

Hey

I can follow your one word responses when you're quoting but if you expect us to have any idea what you're saying here Im afraid nobody has a clue, unless its a comedic fat albert impression

Nah nah nah nah

Hey hey hey

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You all forgot how to have fun

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I don't hate this as a vote, but why so many nahs? can you explain?

Too many people are trying to be the best mafia player in the game (TM) and pulling contrived scum reads as a result. Even for early game it's pretty bad

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@game, it's fine, it's just a gear shift from my last game. you got thoughts on sesq?

There's a lot of people you could have pointed out

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Like why Sesq

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And why not bring up the person that naked voted them

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And why is a50 am

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Scum

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Yawn

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@Kawso, what's the story with PR hunting? Can you come address the push on you? Why are you making PR reads in the main thread rather than in your scum thread?

If you weren't so interested in your quips you'd probably be able to answer that last question to better effect than you think

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I don't hate this as a vote, but why so many nahs? can you explain?

Too many people are trying to be the best mafia player in the game (TM) and pulling contrived scum reads as a result. Even for early game it's pretty bad

Ah yes because the most town thing to do is to just be cool and not try too hard to play the game right?

It's certainly not to make NAI quips on mafia theory

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If you weren't so interested in your quips you'd probably be able to answer that last question to better effect than you think

I'd hereby open the question up to you. Why is Kawso PR hunting in the main thread rather than the scumchat thread?

Can you tell me when you stopped beating your wife?

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I still have no idea why Balki and GNB are being scum read instead of ignored

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Comm

If you don't care about being voted/lynched, why are you arguing at the case against you?

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Someone who is asked why I think Sesq is scum

They've made two bad votes so far and that's the entirety of their play

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I still have no idea why Balki and GNB are being scum read instead of ignored

I don't think Balki and GNB are generally being scum read. It's a small minority who have said that. Why would you say we are being scum read so generally? Who is scum reading Balki and GNB? What are their reasons? Do those reasons look sincere?

And why should I be ignored? I am a town treasure.

The asymmetric activity/vocal minority probably sounds a lot louder than it is

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Good job.
Now let me hardpush CommKnight.

Hardpush needs more than meta

Still like where this is going

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For chapter 6 of my forthcoming mafia textbook:

"What we see above is an excellent example of Scum CommKnight not acting with the indignation of the wrongly accused. In 263 he laughs it off. Then "seriously though," he asserts something about his meta. Then in 264 he acts arrogant while suggesting that he's just unreadable cause he's just so good. Then at 267 he starts super sarcastic.

No indignation.

Laugh it off. "Seriously though." Arrogance. Sarcasm.

The dance of the scumlord."

As much as I have been complaining about people being smug this post beautiful

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Is

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Comm

If you don't care about being voted/lynched, why are you arguing at the case against you?

"Arguing" I don't think that word means what you think it means.

Town!Comm answers the question.
Scum!Comm dodges it like this.
-Ali

Yeah the only way to be that pedantic and condescending is to know the intent of my post in the first place

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Also there's the fact the Siblings didn't really vote or focus on me till I voted them. (Completely ignored A50 is also odd).

No its not

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Comm

If you don't care about being voted/lynched, why are you arguing at the case against you?

^^^^^^^

I terribly misread this by the way I was clearly not awake yet

How?

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Feel free to ask me questions and I will stop being a lazy piece of shit later cause I was supposed to start something 30 minutes ago.

When I played scum with you, you only showed up at opportune moments to defend yourself or a buddy.

This is setting you up to act in a similar manner

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VOTE: comm Knight

Fast wagon is ew but still scum

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Honestly, I'm just waiting to be put at L1 before going full aggro at those stupid enough to wagon me based on meta from a person who obviously can't read me one bit.

Not why you're scum

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Someone who is asked why I think Sesq is scum

They've made two bad votes so far and that's the entirety of their play

was gonna get on comm but thats l1

you dont know my meta do you

Don't care about your meta

The only information to go off with you is bad votes

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Pg 18

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Hey Game.
Instead of jumping to conclusions, read my reasoning for why I did that?

And as scum, why would I even back off like that?
-Ali

Mainly Because i read your post and thats such a bullshit move given the multiball setup as Almost50 has pointed out

And i havent played in like 4 years but I seriously doubt meta has changed so drastically that fake claiming as town is all of a sudden an acceptable play in any standard

Meet RadiantCowbells: viewtopic.php?p=9104916#p9104916

That game he was hydraing with Titus.

Scum!Ari fakeclaims a 1-shot BP as scum getting wagoned.
They fake a CC.

The idea is not completely out of possibility.

tbh, I'm not even thinking at all from the viewpoints Almost is bringing up.
-Ali

This is like rubbing my ass on a cheese grater levels of painful to read

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I'm blown away that THREE INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE allowed a fake cc to happen to

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So Ali... now that you owned up to it. Help lynch scum. I was serious, other faction could off you in the night or in the event of my death, you'd be immediately lynched. So unlike you and the other two, I am focused on finding at LEAST 5 others that are scum, at least 2 of those 5 (3 if you're really town) are more than likely in the group that voted for me.

If there's only ONE scum in Balki and Game, I think it's Game. He's showing that he knows enough (not quite much, but enough) to know continuing to push on the cop claim was a bad move.

We also now have to sort Echo, Mario and Flubber. 2/3 more likely than not being scum.

Are you not scum reading them any more?

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VOTE: Delta

I haven't read yet, I just wanted to vote for the sake of putting 4 consecutive votes on him.

If I truly scumclaimed you would be screaming for my death right now

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Pg 22

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Honestly Flubber looks pretty bad from the votes as well.

Nah

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So yeah I'm going to be skipping the posts about how to handle the cop claim

Bottom line is un-cc'd cop sticks around till before lylo

UNVOTE:

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well, in this game

but look through my past

Sources?

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Claim time Delta.

Um

What

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VOTE: Tenshii

There is time to get this going

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Claim time Delta.

Um

What

Why not? Until Alisae decided to abandon a perfectly good scumlynch, he was the de facto lynch for today.

This makes sense. I probably misread as "let's get Delta to claim" instead of "formalities then lynch"

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I want to iso Delta eventually

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Which is why I'm off to do productive things!

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I want to iso Delta eventually

not enough posts to iso and get a read Imo but he does need to start acitiving the fuck up

This makes me want to stay off the wagon

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flubber hmu with some reasons on why you're already on tenshii if ya don't mind

Not pushing the scum claim thing

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The Delta wagon is mehhhhhhhhh

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All the wagons are mehh but I guess that could mean town is just good at looking town?

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Lol almost 10 pages get fucked

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On the one hand u should catch up but on the other the Tenshii wagon is counting to build in my absence

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I don't know why my phone autocorrects I to u but it's driving me nuts

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There were 150 Pokémon and then there was shit

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Pg 36

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Gen 1 was also ass I was just too young at the time to realize it

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VOTE: Delta

Troll hammers are for assholes

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VOTE: Balki B

Man next time commit to bussing your scummate would you? You really had me convinced until you backed up into stupid shit just to try and wagon on someone who wasnt The Godfather

So I'm excited to hear those cop reads comm

If this is an accurate recollection of events I will be placing my vote here

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I'm convinced he's faltering as new scum. I don't have much other explanation for why he backs out of the delta lynch, insists to be "deciding vote" whatever he means by that, gets on the sort of counter wagon in order to delay l-1(my thought there not his, want to be clear I'm not putting words into his mouth there), buddies incessently, and wanted to give a go at just lynching the confirmed cop (?!?!?!?)

I just played a scum game where the wagon was between me and town and my buddy did something incredibly similar to keep me alive the next day.

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Hi, I'm here and I just got my Diploma.
Talk to me.
-Ali

Get a job

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Lol jk congratulations

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Pg 48

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Balki I'm avoiding because he's our Town Treasure.

Can you elaborate?

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Honestly, you should be looking for scum on the wagon instead of off, since scum may end up bussing.

Also this is hilarious. You're on the wagon, maybe I should just vote you and get it over with?

I'm hunting off the wagon, because there's no way both mafia bussed in a multi-ball set-up. That'd be stupid.

Good point. Just no throwing out the word "conftown" over it

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Honestly, you should be looking for scum on the wagon instead of off, since scum may end up bussing.

Also this is hilarious. You're on the wagon, maybe I should just vote you and get it over with?

I'm hunting off the wagon, because there's no way both mafia bussed in a multi-ball set-up. That'd be stupid.

Scum like bussing for ~reasons~
I don't because I find bussing to be a pro-town act, therefore it is anti-scum.
But scum like bussing in general for some reason. I don't know why, they just do. I think mastina wrote an article on it tho.
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You need to ask *why* they bus a little more critically

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>move is scummy
>therefore scum would never do it
>move is town

Do I need to argue the circular logic more or can you order the wine yourself?

The paradoxical nature of wine is why it's best to be known of but not really argued

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VOTE: Balki

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Pg 54

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honestly i dont think balki is scum

bella is, why may be lurkscum

You wasted two pages with him

Fuck your meta

Get lynched

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Pg 54

Scum

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60

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the fact that you all are SO PARANOID about a bella lynch even tho she has only 2 votes

is extremely telling

what's to lose?

Sources?

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Sweet.

CommKnight (6): Siblings Pet Doggo, Balki B, EchoVision, MarioManiac4, GameNBurger,

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DeltaW (7): Tenshii, Bellaphant, MarioManiac4, Almost50, GameNBurger, Siblings Pet Doggo, Gamma Emerald
Tenshii (5):

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, EchoVision, MariaR, Sesq, Balki B
Kawso (1): beeboy
MarioManiac4 (1): DeltaW
WhyMafia (1): CommKnight

Nobody (2): Kawso, WhyMafia

BalkiB (7): GameNBurger, Gamma Emerald, CommKnight, MarioManiac4,

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, EchoVision, Siblings Pet Doggo

Flubber on all 3 relevant wagons.

VOTE: Flubbernugget

We know one of them is town

You've got two more to think about

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notably, his delta interaction was terribad
he has also not made much of an attempt to do anything with the gamestate so yeah this is a good wagon

?? Can you explain this considering I hammered Delta

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While flubber always lays low then speaks up and plays the game when it's time to get a wagon near majority

Okay considering the fast pace of this game how is that scum?

@mario in singleball it's a "my bus isn't selling" tell. In multiball there's enough other ways something could have gone down that I don't think my question is a flail.

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@Flubber,

Please tell us your thought process behind your hammer vote. You seemed like you didn't like the wagon. Then you hammered it. Give us detail. Please make yourself understood.

It wasn't that I didn't like the wagon, it was that I had zero memory of Delta's play at the time.

Echo kinda bothered me that it started to sound like he was putting a facade over a policy lynch, but it wasn't a major suspicion.

When I finally got around to reading their iso, I wasn't heartbroken that they were the lynch over Tenshii, the day had gone on long enough, and especially in multiball, scum has too much leverage on the lynch as deadline approaches.

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people were asking for a lynch, there was no movement
you asking to be excused for your delta hammer is horrible

You give good reasons to have hammered in the first line

And in the second say it's inexcusable

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Also, I suppose I shouldn't pigeonhole him into Mafia. That hammer was consistent with WW hammer too.

but then he's not doing it for credit, because if he's WW he doesn't know Delta is mafia.

And you said he did it for credit.

Also, it appears you are here now, and bella's ISO is short so give me that ISO dive.

Argh, no...I'm trying to step away. But you keep giving me one-liners that I can respond to in one line.

Right, if he is WW, he is doing it because it is a lynch that is not on a WW. If he is Mafia, he is doing it for credit. Bottom line, the hammer, after discrediting the wagon all along, and then citing no reasons for a change in opinion, is consistent with any alignment. It is no reason to townread. And there is nothing else there to townread in the rest of Flubber's play.

Opportunistic, reasonless, not looking like he's trying to solve a puzzle. Scum.

I'll do a Belladive later. Closing out!!!

Why do you think as a WW I wouldn't have vote parked on tenshii in attempts to push a no lynch?

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why can't flub be ww who hammered delta because it was inevitable etc.
or even mafia, because if it was inevitable he may as well get it over with?

There were still a few days till deadline

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NOTICE BALKI AVOIDING THE BELLA ISO DIVE

Yeah, this bothers me also.

I want to look more closely at the timing of the votes on my wagon. It raced in a very similar way to how the conm wagon raced

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lol

i already explained why your logic is bad

it isnt proof, it's just potential evidence

it's something you'd use to further prove a read or smthg

This is a very universal discredit

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honestly i dont think balki is scum

bella is, why may be lurkscum

You wasted two pages with him

Fuck your meta

Get lynched

wouldn't call it wasted

also discarding meta is a terrible idea

I'm discarding it because I don't feel like hearing "it's just my meta" when I scum read you

And yes, it was wasted. And your push against him is more generic than the one you're accusing him of having

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Why is Flubber being TR'd?

Flubber didn't have any other place to put his vote. Unless he expects the lynch to fail, it's better to be on than off the wagon.

Failed lynch is a good place for scum to place a vote

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Sesq might be a good vote now that they're actually talking but I still like the Balki vote between the early game issues brought up and the blatant counterwagoning onto me.

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Tenshii for sure

Gamma and Maria perhaps

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I was mean to Gamma like three games ago with him and he's had a habit of petty voting me since so I would lean towards Maria

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Why is Flubber being TR'd?

Flubber didn't have any other place to put his vote. Unless he expects the lynch to fail, it's better to be on than off the wagon.

Failed lynch is a good place for scum to place a vote

also you were on failed lynches, not to mention MAJOR failed lynches, all of d1 until you decided to hammer

so going by you're supporting that you're scum

So I'm scum for being on the wrong wagons but would be scum for being off them too?

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Maria is confirmed to not be Mafia. What makes her so likely to be a werewolf?

I admittedly forgot about the investigation results

I guess it's equally between Gamma and Maria then

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I was mean to Gamma like three games ago with him and he's had a habit of petty voting me since so I would lean towards Maria

3 games?
How far back is that?
There was 1905
1862 before that
wasn'r Open 658 the one before that?

I was extremely caustic as scum specifically in 1905 (dierfire's game)

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That was the last game we played together .-.

We can get back to this in time then

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That was the last game we played together .-.

We can get back to this in time then

You're the one who brought it up tho right

Do you do anything thats productive or helpful

Yes and there's a reason I had to drop it

Read between the lines or fuck off

If I'm actually scum you can find something else to bitch about

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the fact that you all are SO PARANOID about a bella lynch even tho she has only 2 votes

is extremely telling

what's to lose?

Sources?

it's right in front of your face omg

lol

i already explained why your logic is bad

it isnt proof, it's just potential evidence

it's something you'd use to further prove a read or smthg

This is a very universal discredit

not so far

honestly i dont think balki is scum

bella is, why may be lurkscum

You wasted two pages with him

Fuck your meta

Get lynched

wouldn't call it wasted

also discarding meta is a terrible idea

I'm discarding it because I don't feel like hearing "it's just my meta" when I scum read you

And yes, it was wasted. And your push against him is more generic than the one you're accusing him of having

i wouldn't call the circumstances around the push generic

also meta is important and if you ignore it you're goign to lynch town

You need to explain the context then

And you're not going to be able to

Because you are scum

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For sesq ive mentioned before that sesqs a lazy POS but a consistent one, and they do chip in enough to qualify as helping town

Um

No?

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To be fair Bellaphant is even smaller and far more useless but nobody's lynching that and youre both prob scum soooooooooo

Yeah scum is going to try to lynch though the lurker pool because there's a bunch of tryhards here ripe for buddying. Hipocricy isn't a scumtell in itself but it's going to be a bigger indicator in this game than otherwise.

Looks

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specifically what context

i can/will explain it but i know if i accidentally dont get your point accurate you're going to go "REEEE MISREP"

and even now you're going to be like "muh dodging"

or not, in which case coo

The difference between "proof" and "potential evidence" is negligible

Go back to 1656 and explain how that is "potential evidence" and not "proof"

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It's literally just a discredit for the sake of looking busy

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I think your ISO is abysmally small

It doesn't look abysmally small to me

Small is probably the wrong word

Its content dry thats for sure

And rarely are his posts more than one liners

The one liners come from the fact that I phone post.

They normally come in clusters as such

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To be fair Bellaphant is even smaller and far more useless but nobody's lynching that and youre both prob scum soooooooooo

Yeah scum is going to try to lynch though the lurker pool because there's a bunch of tryhards here ripe for buddying. Hipocricy isn't a scumtell in itself but it's going to be a bigger indicator in this game than otherwise.

Looks

Getting back to this, I would like you to elaborate on how Sesq is more town than I am.

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Game, that thought is lacking a conclusion

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i explained that given the same evidence it could equally be concluded that balki was scum and thats why a50 was killed, so that isnt really solid

his other reasoning was weakshit

please learn how to read

For some reason I thought you were going on about his town case on Bellaphant

Nothing to see here move along now

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Game

Nothing you are saying has convinced me that you truly believe Sesq is gamesolving harder than I am

It's just stating...things if you can even v call them that

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Lol

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"it's just my playstyle"

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Though tbh my scum read on sesq is pretty stale

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Game

Nothing you are saying has convinced me that you truly believe Sesq is gamesolving harder than I am

It's just stating...things if you can even v call them that

projection game is strong with this one

There comes a point where you anticipate being lynched and need to lay the framework down for the next day

Plus if I'm the point of contention that's where the most interesting stuff to talk about is going to be anyway.

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Claim can be L1 or intent

I'm Vt

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Day 3

Anything else would be a crumb and uhhhhhhhh you were the one soliciting a claim

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I have

game
Balki
gamma/Maria(ish)

For scum

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Oh yeah I can see Tenshii as scum too