Open 690: Kill All Townies - Game Over

[CommKnight]

SECOND - First loser.

[CommKnight]

Also I just wanted to go ahead and give Town Vigilante the green light from me to shoot at will in the night. With 6 scum alive, why not. Might as well have your kill in there that is uncorrupted by mafia/werewolves.

[CommKnight]

Can confirm, vig shoot me N1.

[CommKnight]

VOTE: GameNBurger - Because he's scum.

[CommKnight]

@A50, I'll tell you tomorrow. I just caught up and now need to sleep properly for once in the past three days before I pass out. But just consider that this is multi-ball. Look for the fights and consider possibility that they are Scum vs Scum.

[CommKnight]

kawso, get your vote the fuck off of us

~T

Doncha worry, Trans. I is here for the rescue. I'll pull them off ya, tight now.

VOTE: Siblings

Oops! Somebody spelt glue over here. I'm STUCK! HELP!!

VOTE: Siblings

Oh shit, this stuff is sticking me here too. It must be CRAZY glue.

[CommKnight]

@A50, so yeah, my reads currently are...

Town Leans
- Sesq (I'll be surprised if she's scum).
- Kawso (The wagon is just too easy).

Neutral-Town: (Or just hope are town)
- Gamma Emerald
- Almost50

Scum Lean/Reads:
- GameNBurger (See next)
- Balki B (I think at least one of GameNBurger and Balki B are scum. Both could be scum vs scum, but this is more than likely not a town vs town scenario).
- Siblings Pet Doggo (Just gut and the frustration that he has a single vote on him).

The rest are Neutral. But remember we're looking for 6 scum and trying to avoid hitting cop, seer or vig. So in all honesty I don't got 100% solid reads right now (pg 10 and all), but even sheeping a scum read has the chance of flipping scum of the opposite faction.

[CommKnight]

Hey Comm, since you're here.
Why haven't you poked at my vote yet?
-Ali

Because it's like a trash can. Garbage. (That and you never bothered to explain the vote, so why should I care about a single naked vote?)

[CommKnight]

Why don't you think Balki vs GNB is TvT?

Why do you think it is? Remember, there's 2 scum factions here. Can just as easily be SvS.

[CommKnight]

I've been mostly playing reactionary right now because I've been waiting for you.
Now that you're here, I wanna dance
-Ali

What kind of dance Ali? I'm good at slow songs.

Seriously though, when have you played with me that I care much about being voted/lynched. I'll fight to lynch scum, but I don't SR people for voting me and I don't pretend I'm perfect.

But if you want a reaction to a naked vote, you get a naked answer of it being bad. If you care to explain the vote more, then let's go. otherwise this dance might be a cold one.

[CommKnight]

Odd response from someone who said, without reasons, that my discussion with GNB is more than likely not TvT.

That's because he's scum. Aggressive players aren't usually this tame unless they're trying to be careful, which they won't happen as town because when you're town, you feel comfortable on going all out.

-Ali

Ali here thinking she can read me. Huehuehuehue.

[CommKnight]

Good job.
Now let me hardpush CommKnight.

CommKnight is playing unusually passive rigbht now, in Bill Wurtz and in Timeshift there was more too him starting out. Here there's nothing
It's like he's a fucking ghost. He's not aggressive, he's cautious, and here he feels completely absent from the game.
Everyone of his posts reads to me as "Investigate me"

Posts like 11 and 13 read to me as "Yeah yeah, whatever, right now I'm trying to be helpful while not really adding anything to the game on page 1." I mean like yeah, it's page 1, but when I read those posts, they read to me as if he doesn't actually care about them. It reads fake.

His Game vote is just way too passive from him for my liking, and from town!Comm I would expect more from that.

245 I feel like Comm is holding himself back here, and that doesn't happen you roll town. Same complaint about 251 and 252. I explain more about it in 259

249 just straight up, does not add anything to the game.

-Ali

Now let me put on a slow song to start (so I don't go too fast for Ali).



- OH NO, Comm is joking about a vig killing him and telling vig half jokingly/half seriously to fucking shoot tonight because there's SIX scum in this game.
- It's almost like Comm isn't always aggressive and that he might have some idea of how he acts in different situations to get the reactions he's looking for to sort people with.
- I wasn't aware I had to be in their face to shamelessly sheep A50 onto someone who seems to not like a single vote on him, so we made it three votes.
- A50 asked me a question, I answered with my current reads. Did you prefer I ignore questions? I mean I can, I can say "Hey Ali, your questions are shit, I'm going to ignore them instead of giving answers when I can/remember to/care to."

[CommKnight]

Comm

If you don't care about being voted/lynched, why are you arguing at the case against you?

"Arguing" I don't think that word means what you think it means.

[CommKnight]

Also there's the fact the Siblings didn't really vote or focus on me till I voted them. (Completely ignored A50 is also odd).

[CommKnight]

Haha, I'm not saying Siblings is scum. Just pointing out bad OMGUS vote is bad and people are actually following them.

[CommKnight]

They're like "Oh no, you're not as aggressive as you usually are, you must be scum." Yet the same aggressive sarcasm I do quite often (always seems to find a way into my games) is still there, they're just not catching onto it one bit.

Guess not every bulb in the box can be bright.

[CommKnight]

Oh yeah, they did vote me back then (but no reason was attached until I voted them with A50 to piss them off).

[CommKnight]

Why are you tempting me so hard to switch my vote from scum, CommKnight?

You should vote Siblings with us and watch Ali make up some case about you too. XD

[CommKnight]

Must be mind reading you then Mario. Obviously the future sees you voting for Siblings.

[CommKnight]

This is all reading as Ali thinking she figured me out on Page 1 (of all pages) and being a bit sour. Dear, it will take more than a few games with me to figure me out. Especially since those games were not multi-ball and this one has a lot of enemies and few town PRs.

[CommKnight]

Answering 294 takes effort and effort is not something I like putting into questions that are that NAI questions to answer. If they were something more serious, then maybe I'd put the effort in, but not when they're soo bleh.

"This nice" - implying I'm being nice.

[CommKnight]

First you're upset I answer a question, now you're upset I don't. So I'm not gonna answer questions from you if you don't like when I answered A50 (you added it as part of your "case" against me, therefore you have a problem with me answering).

[CommKnight]

@Comm What's your read on Siblings atm and why did you originally vote Siblings?

Honestly neutral. I can't say why because it's ongoing, but I think Ali is holding a grudge. As to initial vote, because pressure on someone who hates being voted is good pressure.

The entire case is meta on myself (Which I've stated in the past I never play exactly the same in two games, it keeps scum on their toes). But I think because above reason of her holding the grudge she is using this faulty meta logic to push a wagon on me. Which I would look closer at the two biggest wagons because scum at guaranteed to be on both. (From two different factions remember). So chances of 2-3 scum on each wagon isn't all that far fetched.

[CommKnight]

^^^^^^

LOL, I'm just surprised I don't need to point this out and someone else in the game is dragging you through the dirt on it Ali.

[CommKnight]

If you're gonna use solely the meta case on me. Then shouldn't you also add the fact that if I were scum I'd play like townie me... especially with another scum faction out there and I'd want to catch them as well.

This is face palm worthy.

[CommKnight]

@Ali, who else is scum? You're deathtunneling me but don't realize there's 5 other (really 6, since I'm town) out there and you're fine with this poor meta case.

You can't even say it's not a grudge. You're holding a grudge over from another game into this one and letting it cloud your judgement on the current wagon.

[CommKnight]

Honestly, I'm just waiting to be put at L1 before going full aggro at those stupid enough to wagon me based on meta from a person who obviously can't read me one bit.

@Ali, what will you do if I flip green? Act like you had some good meta case based on obviously misplaced assumptions?

[CommKnight]

@Mod: V/LA June 4-10th

[CommKnight]

Well that's L2.

[CommKnight]

Well since it's been expressed for enough votes to put me to L1 (and even hammer)

My claim is...

Spoiler:

Cop

[CommKnight]

Comm.
I'm CCing you.
-Ali

You're really looking to be lynched aren't ya? You realize if I'm lynched and you don't retract, you're 100% lynched, right?

[CommKnight]

But hey, go ahead. I'll gladly take a WW/Mafia with me though.

[CommKnight]

CommKnight

(6): Siblings Pet Doggo, Balki B, EchoVision, MarioManiac4, GameNBurger, Flubbernugget (+ Almost50 & Sesq)

So any takers on which of these 8 we should lynch?

[CommKnight]

With Siblings fake CC I'm comfortable with my vote on the hydra.

[CommKnight]

Like I'm 100% going for a Siblings lynch. CC'ing the real cop if she's a VT would be game throwing.

[CommKnight]

@A50, you should return to wagon on scum, we were right the first time 'round.

[CommKnight]

@Ali, no worries, you'll be lynched. You didn't retract, you fake CC'd the real cop when they're close to a lynch, and how convenient that *YOU* CC me of everyone.

You hang.

[CommKnight]

@Sesq, vote Siblings. They didn't retract their claim and continue to push their nonsense. Do you really believe Siblings would be Cop of everyone else in the game? There was no hesitation, Ali wanted to CC anything I claimed.

[CommKnight]

It's a FAKE counter claim. Like you outed yourself as scum because if you're doing this as town, it's against the rules to gamethrow soo blantantly.

[CommKnight]

Let's see:

- You build a case on me from "Meta"
- Don't like my "reactions"
- Force me to L2/L1 intention to a full claim
- Immediately CC.

How convenient that you are "Cop" after all that and *I* claim it as well eh? That speaks for itself. I claimed first.

[CommKnight]

Want me to be aggressive and say that your play right now just set in stone the deaths of your two hydra partners? You want me to tell you that your reads were shit? You want me to tell you that whether I live or die today, you die 100% by the end of D2 due to your not well thought out CC.

Like I'm gonna die tonight unless WW doctor protects me in hopes I find the mafia for them. Either way, this is a 1 for 1 trade. So yeah, I don't care a whole bunch, I planned to lay low and be scummy just enough to avoid being targeted at night. But nah, you gotta pull some shitty ass "meta" which you don't even understand yourself since you don't know me that well evidently. So no, I don't give a shit. You were tunneling so hard on a town PR and out them to both scum factions. And if you do somehow flip green, I'm immediately reporting you to the list-mod for what would be gamethrowing.

[CommKnight]

@A50, look at the people on my wagon, other than Ali, who else do you think is scum? There's at the very least 2 more in there.

[CommKnight]

Balki B, EchoVision, MarioManiac4, GameNBurger, Flubbernugget
^ Vig, if you can shoot in this pool that'd be awesome.

[CommKnight]

Nah, CommKnight is scum.

^ I even suggest shooting Balki, that would probably be a scum flip from the 5.

[CommKnight]

Comm, why aren't you suggesting the vigi to shoot me?
From your PoV, I am confirmed scum.
Better for the vigi to shoot me rather then waste a lynch on me from your PoV, right?

And Almost, I refuse when I've caught scum already. :[
Sry.

OK, cool. We have TWO Cops. One is going to be NK'd for sure. We can leave them BOTH alive today and lynch the fake Cop tomorrow. Easy peasy.

Plus you're now outed to the OTHER scum faction, so they'll likely pick you off as well.

[CommKnight]

Also consider this... if I were scum, why would Ali CC? The other scum team would have to SHOOT me with no CC's.

So there's no benefit for town!Ali to CC me as they just get themselves killed in a crossfire.

Just saying.

[CommKnight]

Comm, why aren't you suggesting the vigi to shoot me?
From your PoV, I am confirmed scum.
Better for the vigi to shoot me rather then waste a lynch on me from your PoV, right?

And Almost, I refuse when I've caught scum already. :[
Sry.

OK, cool. We have TWO Cops. One is going to be NK'd for sure. We can leave them BOTH alive today and lynch the fake Cop tomorrow. Easy peasy.

Plus you're now outed to the OTHER scum faction, so they'll likely pick you off as well.

Why are you making a case as to why scumm doggo would never do this

Because if I'm dying. I'm calling a spade a fucking spade. Yet we have people still blindly following her *Cough* Balki *Cough*

[CommKnight]

Plus you're now outed to the OTHER scum faction, so they'll likely pick you off as well.

You are so scum. You did not think through this one before you posted it.

(I'm joking, no personal attacks, I know you're scum too).

[CommKnight]

FWIW, If I was a WW Dpctor I would protect whom I believed to be the Cop of the two. For real. It would be good for my faction to keep the Cop alive to catch Mafia, while we shot down Townies. But that's just me (and I often play weird as ANY alignment).

This is what I'd do as well and what I'm relying on to save me into D2.

Also WW would not CC a cop... so that means Ali is more than likely Mafia of the two factions.

[CommKnight]

Scum is so painfully obvious right now.

VOTE: Game Let's lynch one and then Balki and WWs will probably off Ali for us.

[CommKnight]

@A50, Game & Balki are definitely scum man. Town can't be this dense.

[CommKnight]

Calm down. Look at their join dates. They're both new, and this is probably their first game outside the Newbie section

Honestly this makes sense. I mean I just assume people played forum mafia elsewhere and have developed good strategies by now. But I forget there's people that this might be their 5th game (or less) and really haven't had much experience scum hunting yet.

But to continue pushing their shit after you outed your suggestion is what is pinging me hard (along with the fact they were on the wagon to begin with).

[CommKnight]

If it was one or the other, I'd say it's Game that is scum and Balki that has some learning to do.

[CommKnight]

I thought I was the idiot

Don't worry, you are. You can't even read A50's post correctly.

[CommKnight]

No, I just assume people have experience with multi-ball and other set-ups in general.

[CommKnight]

So Ali... now that you owned up to it. Help lynch scum. I was serious, other faction could off you in the night or in the event of my death, you'd be immediately lynched. So unlike you and the other two, I am focused on finding at LEAST 5 others that are scum, at least 2 of those 5 (3 if you're really town) are more than likely in the group that voted for me.

If there's only ONE scum in Balki and Game, I think it's Game. He's showing that he knows enough (not quite much, but enough) to know continuing to push on the cop claim was a bad move.

We also now have to sort Echo, Mario and Flubber. 2/3 more likely than not being scum.

[CommKnight]

I was also serious if I got mislynched because of your CC and you were town, I would've reported your ass for that very very bad attempt.

[CommKnight]

I find fake claiming as town acceptable if you're in a PT and set it up with the actual PR or similar means. OR if you claim a PR in an attempt to draw the shot away from the real PR if people are already looking at you.

I do not agree with fake claiming when the real PR is actually near the noose. That is risky and you give scum 2 mislynches.

[CommKnight]

pedit: I fakeclaimed because I thought you were scum fakeclaiming near a noose.

Which you have to really think about Ali. If I'm scum in a multi-ball claiming a PR, that draws scum's attention ALL to me from the opposing side.

Even outside of multiball, fake claiming like you did. If I was lynched, you wouldn't be able to retract so easily D2 when I flip cop. Because your CC would be seen as the final factor in my mislynch and there wouldn't be any place to wiggle out.

Like I said, I agree with fake claiming on occasion, but you also have to consider what happens if you're wrong. Do you screw town over more by faking the CC or by letting the fake claim go by and hope the real PR either outs them or someone offs them themselves?

You CC'd my claim so fast... like I was beginning to wonder if the mod messed up role PM's because it seemed like a stupid move for scum to do.

[CommKnight]

Another consideration to take into account is this. In this SPECIFIC set-up, trading a PR for a scum is actually beneficial to TOWN. If I fake claimed as scum, the real PR would want to out. Here's why. Cop and Seer can each find only two scum. We can't find the other faction and we can't find the GodFathers. This means if we even take down ONE goon/Doc with us, then it's worth it.

The only PR we want to really protect from outing is the Vigilante. Because the Vigilante is actually more important to town than either the Cop or Seer. It's the only town role that can kill the scum without the lynch being controlled by both factions.

Hence, the green light for the scum to shoot as often as possible. There's a big number of scum to hit, so even a random pot shot hits scum more often than not.

[CommKnight]

@Ali, well I change my gameplay a lot, each game I differ it a bit even by minor details. But in general. I'm more aggressive when I am vig/VT and need to sort people. When I'm investigative, I wait for the night so I can get a confirmed scum and not rely on my aggressive gut reads.

[CommKnight]

Like shit, I feel like you would have atleast tried to answer my questions if you were town and not just totally ignore me.
Like, fuck man.
I thought you respected me more then that =(
-Ali

It's intentional. Ignore reads, do scummy shit. Try to look scummy enough to not look like a PR. I don't want to be killed N1 before I can even OUT a result (hopefully find a scummy). So I gotta look like I'd be an easy mislynch D2, D3 or even D4. It's wolf in sheep's clothing.

[CommKnight]

I mean I could act like the perfect townie. Answer everyone's questions, do everything perfectly. Then be killed N1 because I get seen as a threat.

If you actually want to meta me. Look at my games. I always draw attention to myself as town in one way or another just enough to hover in the scummy area. I survive. I wait until scum has no where to hide and then I out every single one of them.

It obviously doesn't always work, sometimes I go overboard or I simply get mislynched due to not being read correctly. But it's just a game, so no jimmies of mine get rustled from it.

Fastposted. Honestly, Sesq seems reasonable. What town would want another town to be quicklynched? Especially on a town that had votes piling up from sheep that weren't even making their own cases. Just sheeping the lead pusher.

Echo is a possibility. But look at your "assume are town" everyone but Echo that were on my wagon you have in there when I'm telling you, at the very least there are two scum on it, more than likely however there will be 3.

Tenshi called a spade a spade. They didn't like the case and rightly called it out.

[CommKnight]

Fuck man, I just feel really bad for hardpushing you like I did now because I honestly didn't think this was what you were doing
-Ali

Honestly, I do it quite often. That being said, admittingly, I've taken bigger risks as scum (actually one being in a closed multiball set-up where I was WW and fake claimed the most insane made up role I could think of and survive long enough for my buddy to win a 1v2 after they finally lynched me after 3 long days after my insane claim).

[CommKnight]

@Gamma, get on the Game wagon with us. This is an easy scum kill. He dun goofed and can't back track now fast enough.

[CommKnight]

I SR you because even after Almost50's 50/50 suggestion of leaving both of us alive, you kept voting me thinking you'd get "scum". When A50's method would've worked too but you kept at it.

You wanted me dead, regardless of how townie or not I was.

That and even after Ali outed that it was fake, you wanted to keep it between me and them. Why not look at the rest of my wagon and scum hunt the multiple scum more than likely on it? That is what pings me hard. Ali wondered why I didn't focus on them, it's because I'm focusing on the ones hiding behind the shitty reasoning.

[CommKnight]

Then look at my wagon before I outed. Make a case. It's not all town, that's for damn sure.

[CommKnight]

Honestly Flubber looks pretty bad from the votes as well.

[CommKnight]

@Balki, your entire wall there... what the fuck is that? HAVE YOU EVEN READ THE SET-UP? There is no town doc. Only Cop, Seer and Vig.

As to your last post there. Really? It's a mislynch, of course they'll be on it. They can't afford to avoid a scummy person and it flip scum without them on it, it only deters night kills. Not them being on the wagon to mislynch it.

[CommKnight]

What

This is like standard procedure

Its rare that town wronglynches without some pushing from scum

It happens but It doesnt mean that wagons are the best place to start looking

Comm is town

This post does not make sense. What are you trying to say?

That is what he and everyone else but you are saying. If you're not gonna CC me, then shut up about "Comm being scum" already.

[CommKnight]

Actually... even if Seer and Cop check same person... 2/6 scum are COMPLETELY immune to investigation and 2/6 scum are the very docs that would protect the investigative from the other team as the other investigative will find and have lynched. So any guilty checks I find are a 50/50 mafia goon/doc. Keeping me alive can essentially remove Mafia's Doc from play if I were to find them for the Wolves and vice versa.

I mean keeping me alive, removes any and all protection from the Seer if I find Mafia Doc before Seer finds either Wolf Goon or Doc.

[CommKnight]

I cannot clear anyone, I can only say they aren't Mafia goon/doc. If the wolves let me die tonight, they leave a Seer out there who can out two of them to the mafia, town and vigilante. So by allowing me to die, leaves them open to being caught by a Seer who the mafia could protect.

[CommKnight]

VOTE: Delta L2!!!

[CommKnight]

Claim time Delta.

[CommKnight]

So a few things...

Hawk, havingfitz & beeboy are all 2+ days without a post! Each has 4 or 5 posts at that! I could settle for lynching them if they do not get their ass in gear.

TR: A50, Gamma, Tenshii & Town lean on Mario.
Not willing to lynch TODAY (If I don't capitalize that, some might miss that word): Siblings, Kawso, or Sesq.
Willing to lynch majorly and WILL hammer if at L1: GameNBurger, DeltaW, Balki Bm EchoVsion.

Of course I'd say with 9 days left, I'd give Hawk, fitz and beeboy two more days before I rip into all three of them for being trash this game.

[CommKnight]

So a few things...

Hawk, havingfitz & beeboy are all 2+ days without a post! Each has 4 or 5 posts at that! I could settle for lynching them if they do not get their ass in gear.

TR: A50, Gamma, Tenshii & Town lean on Mario.
Not willing to lynch TODAY (If I don't capitalize that, some might miss that word): Siblings, Kawso, or Sesq.
Willing to lynch majorly and WILL hammer if at L1: GameNBurger, DeltaW, Balki Bm EchoVsion.

Of course I'd say with 9 days left, I'd give Hawk, fitz and beeboy two more days before I rip into all three of them for being trash this game.

This feels like town Comm

And I thought my unCC'd claim was townie.

[CommKnight]

MariaF

[CommKnight]

Alright... so officially entering my V/LA phase here till the 10th. To explain what's going on, I'm volunteering through a group to work on a workshop for veterans. It's 12 hours a day for the next week, + 1 hour (each way) + 8 hours for sleep (lol... maybe 6...) that is 22 hours of each of my days for the full week being taken up, so I'd appreciate any summary posts for me during the time I do get to put into the game. I'll try to do it each night, but some nights I might be too tired out to post.

So just a heads up so it doesn't seem like I'm not trying. I'm just going to be VERY busy with this. But I'll still put a foot forward and if it suffers too much, then I'll replace out. (Hopefully since it's only for a week it doesn't come to that though).

[CommKnight]

I'd say I'm more confident in my scum reads on Sesq & Balki.

Why is Sesq scum?

Second this. Sesq I see as lynchbait.

[CommKnight]

If Tracker!Kawso isn't dead tonight then you can bet your ass I'm pushing him tomorrow!

ewww set up post is bad set up post is trash

Can't detect sarcasm very well, can you?

[CommKnight]

I'm confirmed town macho doc... Not gonna be on Tenshii.

[CommKnight]

It's multi-ball. Have some balls and hammer it.

[CommKnight]

VOTE: WhyMafia Put this shit to L1 fast and he'll "catch up" real quick.

[CommKnight]

VOTE: Delta - To put him back at claim L1 time.

But consider my vote on WhyMafia as well if he doesn't catch up by deadline.

[CommKnight]

Lol, what do you mean? Subbing into a game with me is great. I'll light a fire under your ass to get you interested.

[CommKnight]

Yeah, I can see WhyMafia being scum.

[CommKnight]

So here's my thought process to explain why I picked who I picked.

DeltaW (9): Tenshii, Bellaphant, MarioManiac4, Almost50, GameNBurger, Siblings Pet Doggo, Gamma Emerald, CommKnight, Flubbernugget
Tenshii (4): EchoVision, MariaR, Sesq, Balki B
Kawso (1): beeboy
MarioManiac4 (1): DeltaW

Nobody (2): Kawso, WhyMafia

Upon seeing we were right about Delta and he flipped Mafia Godfather no less, there was no way BOTH mafia bussed him (with 3 WW's gunning for him).

So I checked the counter-wagon. MariaR is NOT mafia. (Well she's clear of being one scum team anyway). I wanted to check her because that slot I could not read in the counter-wagon.

VOTE: Balki B - I still SR him and he's one of the ones on the counter-wagon. I TR Sesq still, but Echo could be mafia as well/instead.

[CommKnight]

What I mean by that is that with 3 wolves in play, the mafia wouldn't make their job easier by helping them lynch someone who the wolves would at least know isn't one of theirs.

[CommKnight]

Gamma Emerald
Bellaphant
WhyMafia
Tenshii
Flubbernugget
MarioManiac4
Siblings Pet Doggo
GameNBurger

So here's what we seem to KNOW.

CommKnight

is Cop.

Kawso

has been voted up to near lynch (and people have tried to keep him at the lynch candidate). With both Godfather and Alpha dead, the scum are no longer immune to investigations, which means if the Seer and Cop check the same person and they both get a negative back, that person is fully cleared. For now,

MariaR

is at least NOT mafia. With

EchoVision

,

Sesq

&

Balki B

being off the Godfather lynch, so highly likely that at least ONE of these three are indeed mafia. (If Werewolves were not all on

Delta

, the one that wasn't on

Delta

will risk being hit if we miss mafia). Of these three, I believe

Sesq

to be town. She may be lynch bait, but I don't think she'd be Werewolf or Mafia. Actually before I forget,

WhyMafia

was not voting, so he's also in the not-on-Godfather pool.

Which leaves the rest of the players for possible Werewolves. I'll have to look over the cases for/against lynching Delta later. But mafia got lucky with shooting beeboy to take out the Werewolf Alpha.

[CommKnight]

@Ali, you realize there's definitely a mafia between Echo, Bali and WhyMafia right? Are you going to constantly avoid voting Balki? That'll look bad on you if he flips scum... ESPECIALLY after your fake claim shit yesterday.

[CommKnight]

Better question is why you expect WhyMafia to be voting during their catch up.
-Ali

That's a null factor imo

It's why I'm much more focused on the counter-wagon.

[CommKnight]

Honestly, you should be looking for scum on the wagon instead of off, since scum may end up bussing.

Also this is hilarious. You're on the wagon, maybe I should just vote you and get it over with?

I'm hunting off the wagon, because there's no way both mafia bussed in a multi-ball set-up. That'd be stupid.

[CommKnight]

Your wagon is going up fast because...

1.) You're mafia, Werewolves want you dead as well.

2.) Tenshii is probably Werewolf, it's in my interest to keep both Werewolves alive today so the Doc is more inclined to protect me to find mafia for him before mafia kill both of them or the Seer outs them.

3.) With only two mafia left, your buddy is probably voting Tenshii right now.

4.) The "resistance" to your wagon is the people avoiding voting you to vote Tenshii for just as naked votes (which you don't ask for explanations on).

So nah, I'm good with killing you. I'll find your buddy tonight.

[CommKnight]

Or we can play FOLLOW THE COP.

I agree with Tenshii's plan. At first I didn't until he explained where the Seer doesn't actually out unless they get a guilty.

Balki, you're right, you're the scummiest person, we lynch you and then we CHECK the second most scummiest person (if they are the Seer, then they cross-check MariaF).

I personally think we should check Echo tonight as I do want to find the MAFIA (and any wolves) who didn't vote the Godfather yesterday.

Also Chiko's are taking over and Balki didn't change. He therefore is admitting to being a sock-puppet scummy.

So the plan to restate it: Lynch Balki, check Echo, if Echo is Seer, he checks MariaF.

[CommKnight]

balki stop being so "le rational xd"

that isnt how mafia works smh

^ My TR on Sesq is well placed.

[CommKnight]

balki stop being so "le rational xd"

that isnt how mafia works smh

^ My TR on Sesq is well placed.

there are better reasons

There are, but there's small things as well that just add to it.

[CommKnight]

UNVOTE: Balki

@Balki, I am V/LA until Sunday, so if you want to live through today, my suggestion is, ISO A50. Find out WHY he was killed. Who was he really looking into. Quote it. Bold it. Figure out that puzzle for town.

[CommKnight]

UNVOTE: Balki

@Balki, I am V/LA until Sunday, so if you want to live through today, my suggestion is, ISO A50. Find out WHY he was killed. Who was he really looking into. Quote it. Bold it. Figure out that puzzle for town.

Um I'd suggest he not since the wolves killed him
Also he could have just been too towny

Honestly, if I die tonight because I give Balki a chance to look over A50's ISO to present a thought out case on why A50 died, then you guys can assume Gamma is threatening to remove my protection in this post.

I've already outed I think Tenshii is likely Werewolf. I'm just not lynching him because it gives the doctor some breather to protect me so I can out the two remaining mafia before both wolves get fucked.

[CommKnight]

Well you're not exactly very townie and they might end up just killing you. Since they still need me to find mafia.

[CommKnight]

Why would they kill me

Because you haven't exactly done anything that says "town Gamma" and eliminate mafia is in their interest.

[CommKnight]

Bella reads to be discrediting A50's whole ISO

^ Which is why I want to see Balki's case that I've tasked him with!

Also... VOTE: Flubber - Tenshii called you OUT!

[CommKnight]

I read Almost50's ISO. Frankly, it's not good for those of us rooting for Balki's survival today. If anyone fearkilled Almost50 for having correct reads, it is Balki or Sesq. Almost was very focused on those 2.

Almost gives his first reads list at 367, with scum leans on "Gamma Emerald, Sesq, Hawk, havingfitz, Siblings Pet Doggo, DeltaW"

But following the Cop CC episode and Balki's skepticism about Comm's claim, Almost50 came out hard against Balki at 596.

At 620, Almost50 updated his reads, with a lynch pool of "Sesq, Hawk, havingfitz, DeltaW, Balki, Tenshii," but most confidence in scum reads on Balki and Sesq.

At 957, Almost50 provides some meta on Sesq, which essentially dispelled the notion that Sesq is lynchbait because Sesq has drifted on in games before by doing nothing.

Bottom Line

: Almost50's reads coalesced down to "Sesq, Hawk, havingfitz, DeltaW, Balki, Tenshii," but his biggest pushes and most confidence were in his reads on Balki and Sesq

A couple of other notes

: I'd be really surprised if the Vig killed Almost50. Upon reading his ISO, he just comes across as very townie. Firm positions, votes and pushes with intention and effort, collaboration with town reads, no fear. I haven't looked back to see who was scum reading Almost50, but I don't recall serious pushes in that direction. To me, it seems like the most likely reason for this kill is that Almost50 appeared very townie, with a lot of credibility, and ability to lead a lynch.

That said, I can already hear Comm coming at me with "but this is multi-ball, scum are aiming at each other!" Maybe...I don't know. I'd say that if anyone was hunting for strong town on N1, it was WWs, after mafia lost Godfather. So my best explanation is that WWs killed Almost50. I know I am town, so this somewhat implicates Sesq as being a WW in my eyes. But, in my albeit limited experience, I think you get in trouble assuming that the NKs scumread killed because someone was scumreading them.

Still, given what I saw in Almost50's ISO, my best read of the moment is that

Sesq is a WW

.

VOTE: Sesq

@Siblings. You're a hydra of 3 people, Balki is new and he is at least making good cases that show him to be more townie (not to mention I already liked the fact he was willing to be checked by both but just wanted a chance to be proven innocent). Which leaves Echo for me and Seer to check into tonight. But Flubber is the right lynch today whether he is WW or Mafia.

[CommKnight]

Town: Sesq, MariaR, Mario, Balki & Kawso
Scum: Tenshii, Flubbernugget, Siblings Pet Doggo, EchoVision

Kinda neutral-ish on the rest for now.

Honestly, using Siblings to know which people to kill off. I think Siblings and Flubber are mafia while Echo and Tenshii are werewolves.

[CommKnight]

Town: Sesq, MariaR, Mario, Balki & Kawso
Scum: Tenshii, Flubbernugget, Siblings Pet Doggo, EchoVision

Kinda neutral-ish on the rest for now.

Honestly, using Siblings to know which people to kill off. I think Siblings and Flubber are mafia while Echo and Tenshii are werewolves.

I'm just quoting this because town didn't kill Siblings or Echo after I died. I said I knew Siblings was scum but was using them to know who not to lynch. Echo was another obvious one. Sesq was the one who had me fooled.

I was shaking my head in dead chat at the lynch choices by town.

[CommKnight]

I'm still trying to figure out how the entire town and even the mafia team allowed you to live to endgame. You were pegged D1. Then when Echo got pegged I got killed.