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*Waves hand*
Hello!"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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You sir, has no tastes.In post 17, Aristophanes wrote:Plus, who uses that ugly green emoji ever!?"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Is this RVS or real shit? Can't tell the difference.
"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Wait? Those thing are French? I thought Judge is having an affair with Aristo and those are some kind of safe word.
Anyway. Me gonna say something that will help us exit RVS.
Guys, please stop voting me. It's L-3"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Hah! I know someone can't refuse to react to my statement. Now we can exit RVS.In post 32, Kantrip wrote:
Is that the thing?In post 31, Realeo wrote:Wait? Those thing are French? I thought Judge is having an affair with Aristo and those are some kind of safe word.
Anyway. Me gonna say something that will help us exit RVS.
Guys, please stop voting me. It's L-3
I'll unvote you if you tell me who I should put my vote on instead.
If you sayI'll unvote you if you tell me, are you sayingI'm actually scumreading you, Realeo. The only way I'm not voting you is if someone is scummier?
I'm tempted to classify that statement as continuation of RVS, butis that the thing?implies you are actually serious with your statement."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Quick clarification : Is that RVS or serious vote?
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Aristo, are you scum again?"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Oh wait, scratched that. I forget that you was fake scum, not real scum."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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I don't know what does yes mean. (Yes RVS or Yes, real shit) but if the latter, wouldn't Aristo is too talky by your definition? Some people are getting serious while he is still in joke mode?In post 37, lane0168 wrote:Yes. Yes it is.
"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Ah ok =P"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Offer me again when BTD replaces Gamma. Too early to cast vote without full team.In post 65, Kantrip wrote:The offer still stands, by the way. I'm leaning towards either PMysterious or Draynth, what do you think?"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Oh. Gamma already replaced out? Dave replaced in.
Ok, me take the offer.
VOTE: Pymestrious"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Yes."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Yes.In post 80, lane0168 wrote:No. I didn't say anything about the seriousness. And aristo had the same amount of posts. Me not calling out aristo should give you reason to believe you don't know my definition. Yet you presume to. Why? Are you trying to make something out of nothing?
I have learn not to assume when it comes to RVS so I just keep clarifying."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Most likely 1.In post 83, PMysterious wrote:I will not be surprised if at least 2 members of the Mafia and/or Werewolf team are on the wagon as of now.
PMysterious, have you ever heard reaction test?
I think this is going to be my first (not second) serious vote.
VOTE: Aristo
I can't tell if this is scum or he is bound to scratch me the wrong way, me not feeling gud."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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That's gross."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Considering it as play style clash.In post 89, Aristophanes wrote:
Sorry man, prolly too far. I should take th his more seriously, eh?In post 88, Realeo wrote:That's gross.
What is your Mysterio read btw?"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Pressure vote.In post 93, Raya36 wrote:Reasons for this vote? (Same question for Kantrip)"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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I endorse this product.In post 101, Kantrip wrote:Reads to me like genuine misunderstanding over a scummy contradiction, though.
There is something called from EpicMafia called fillering. It's a condition where scum are unable to fake scumhunting so he talk something else. Methink that is what happening.Realeo - any reason for the Ari vote besides a gut feel?"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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oldwino, most of your scumread reasoning are "post feels empty."
What do you mean with post feels empty? I think my post is the fullest. You can't have people start talking about ppmysterious if I don't start that. I advance the game. Townread me.
And how lane is forced? I think he's the one who progresses the game. He is the one who points out the contradiction of ppmysterious.
And how does "me not noticing PP replaces Gamma" is scumread?
Woah. Woah. Realeo. You seems so defensive.
Because the readlist doesn't makes senses.
If Aristo is a scumlean, I'm fine.
But if Aristo is null, I don't understand why PP is a scum but Aristo is a null.
To add that, I don't understand why every scumlean is a scum but Aristo is a null."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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You can't say "I don't have enough content from Aristo so I null him," because that is exactly the reason why you scumread half of your scum lean."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Things.In post 106, Aristophanes wrote:I'm here, but it's early so what would you actually like me to address?"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Vla for next 24 hours"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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I'm currently catching up. Reading 1st ultra long wall.
Quick notes; for future ultra long wall, uses color for question instead of just bold.
Trust me, an effective ultra long wall gives me a victory as scum. I know what an effective ultra long wall post looks like."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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I have different treatment.In post 160, Kasumeat wrote:Realeo accuses Ari of not providing enough content, but then when Ari asks what he should respond to, he gives him nothing. Looks like Realeo doesn't actually want Ari to provide content, he just wants him to get lynched.
If someone has make a read but his read is lacking details, I will coach him.
If someone has make no read at all, I will ask him to make a read first. When he did, I will coach him."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Woah, that ultra wall was a prank. Disappointing."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Guys, I'm role claiming.
I'm double voter.
VOTE: Judge
VOTE: Ari
I scumread Judge's sarcasm. I can understand human being sarcastic, but this is coming from a person complaining about lack of content. Smells hypocrisy when he being sarcastic about it especially the fact he has done nothing.
I mean, is it really possible that from Judge's perspective, EVERYTHING IS NAI AND EVERYTHING IS MEANINGLESS? Can't he even have scumlean or townlean?"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Before anyone complained, yes, I noticed I'm entering a whirlpool of "Scumread people with nothingness" but I don't think at this stage of the game, no read can be interpreted as "null 4 more content""The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Before anyone asks, I have townreads but not publicizing it now."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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I forgot to reply to this but it's kinda a "not necessarily true." I found that even though "theoretically" they can scumhunt, "practically" the idea that they don't have a full degree of freedom at scumhunting for some people REALLY hampers their scumhunting a lot.In post 112, Rory wrote:
actually scum can scumhunt because it's multiball.In post 105, Realeo wrote:
I endorse this product.In post 101, Kantrip wrote:Reads to me like genuine misunderstanding over a scummy contradiction, though.
There is something called from EpicMafia called fillering. It's a condition where scum are unable to fake scumhunting so he talk something else. Methink that is what happening.Realeo - any reason for the Ari vote besides a gut feel?"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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I don't see anything problematic about WhyMafia."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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With 4 days remaining; if the choice of lynch is either PM or Aristo, I'm definitely Aristo."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Oh God. Another player thinking Titus is a decent player. Spare me of this balooney.In post 206, Judge Joseph Dredd wrote:for better understanding consult titus."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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I'm having issue deciding whether I actually townread them based on merits or activity. It's not a black or white in this game unfortunately.In post 201, Rory wrote:
why not?In post 192, Realeo wrote:Before anyone asks, I have townreads but not publicizing it now."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Kantip, I see your concern @ Kasumeat, but is it town contradiction or mafia contradiction?"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Rory is one of my townread, please give me your opinion.In post 247, Something_Smart wrote:Rory"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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And this following things does not describes me?In post 257, Something_Smart wrote:His questions and observations are useless and trite, his vote on Ari is extremely lazy, and 200 doesn't seem like a town reaction."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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I mean, that is exactly the reason why Kasumeat scumread me."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Can people who scumread Rory raises their hand please? I think 3 scumread Rory?
I'm having issue why (a lurker) is townier than Rory."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Why is Raya is not being replaced out?"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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No. The double voting thingy is a joke that "I wish I can vote two people."
I started that hobby from Micro711. Lane was playing there so I decided to resume it back.
For more information about joke, refer my sig."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Now that you pointed it out, Judge's scumread about VCA makes senses.In post 266, oldwino wrote:He voted Judge, then by voting Ari next, that canceled his vote on Judge"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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I think Kasumeat is quite processing things. Maybe that he never comes to a conclusion so it seems he is not scumhunting for you?In post 287, Something_Smart wrote:Can someone explain to me where Kasumeat is scumhunting? Because I really don't see it."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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oldwino, are you a debate adjudicator in real life? I'm trying to understand your scumread at lane."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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I'm still having trouble why this doesn't describes me?In post 289, Something_Smart wrote:Actually, it's the opposite. His posting seems mostly conclusions fueled by shallow explanations. Which makes sense for scum as faking conclusions is no trouble at all.
In reading his ISO I don't see anything that looks like more than just evidence followed by conclusion. It's kinda tough to explain but I think that it's very easy to play the way he is as scum (and it's how I often play as scum because I'm really bad at faking being genuine).
Why am I your top dog?"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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STOP!In post 266, oldwino wrote:I agree with Judge, this was scummy. Moves Realeo up on my scum list. I'm finding too many people scummy in this game.
How do you agree with Judge if you don't know what is a VCA? You can't agree with someone if you don't know what they are talking about."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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I noticed Lane is being weirdly defensive (like that when I clarify RVS against me) but I was kinda afraid it was play style (although I don't remember Lane played that way) so reasons. Lane is one of my townlean given how he progresses the game early. I don't see what kantrip means by "lane looking at different angle."
I still don't understand oldwino's scumread against lane.
When I start understanding Judge's reasoning, it doesn't seems a reasoning scum can fake so town points.
S_S read at Ari still bothers me. Like "Ari is engaging? How?"
If Ari starts towning during deadlinel, I may flip to oldwino.
I prefer to spare Rory and lane simply that "There is something that doesn't sums up if they are scum.""The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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I assume when we get Pmysterious' replacement, the deadline would be extended.
I kinda like Aristo and I no longer convinced that oldwino vs lane is a playstyle clash
VOTE: oldwino
Although, if oldwino flips scum, I would not be that surprised if Aristo is his partner."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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I don't get why he scumread Lane that bad but suddenly seems so laxed with Aristo. I considered the possibility of town contradiction (or town making miscalculation with his read) but the more he keep talking about lane, the less I'm giving him the benefit of doubt."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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I mean, if the premise of oldwino's read is "Lane is vague", then why is the conclusion of that premise is "I scumread Lane"? The correct conclusion is not "I scumread Lane," but "I need to ask more from Lane." I mean, just like me. He is confusing so I kept asking him question. If he doesn't like being asked question, that's his business.
but how do you know he is being intentionally vague if you don't askIn post 320, oldwino wrote:I'm not leaning scum on Lane because of his writing style,but because his posts seem intentionally confusing sometimes, and like Raya says, he asks questions, make comments, defends himself, but doesn't do any real analysis or scum hunting.anyquestion to Lane. I check oldwino's iso and it's not oldwino that seeks clarification, it's lane that seeks clarification.
It almost seems that oldwino is being intentionally vague.
Then why don't you ask any question to oldwino?
I did. Twice. The first is this.
I decided to ignore it because "it's just lean." Fair point. However, I noticed he still doesn't adress my concern of aristo.In post 130, oldwino wrote:
By 'empty' I mean posting but about neutral stuff. Not analyzing, just commenting.In post 121, Realeo wrote:oldwino, most of your scumread reasoning are "post feels empty."
What do you mean with post feels empty? I think my post is the fullest. You can't have people start talking about ppmysterious if I don't start that. I advance the game. Townread me.
And how lane is forced? I think he's the one who progresses the game. He is the one who points out the contradiction of ppmysterious.
And how does "me not noticing PP replaces Gamma" is scumread?
Woah. Woah. Realeo. You seems so defensive.
Because the readlist doesn't makes senses.
If Aristo is a scumlean, I'm fine.
But if Aristo is null, I don't understand why PP is a scum but Aristo is a null.
I didn't really see PM's comments as contradictions. Thought Lane was stretching to say so (so forced).
And not noticing when someone replaces in seems like fake 'laziness' so seemed scummy.
None of my reads are strong, all leans are just slightly so, whichever way they go.
Trying to get some comments, some reactions, stir things up just a little.
I'll do another re-read and critically examine my own leanings as soon as I can, hope tomorrow.
And I do think inactivity is suspicious. Keeping one's head down and not giving anyone anything to criticize is scummy. Not necessarily scum, but scummy. So far, we don't have much to go on.
By 'empty' I mean posting but about neutral stuff.is disturbing me but I thought "Meh,we may have different standard," but as game progresses, it seems oldwino is cherry picking.
The second one is still not answered.
In post 292, Realeo wrote:
STOP!In post 266, oldwino wrote:I agree with Judge, this was scummy. Moves Realeo up on my scum list. I'm finding too many people scummy in this game.
How do you agree with Judge if you don't know what is a VCA? You can't agree with someone if you don't know what they are talking about."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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To quote Kasumeat, this is probably why I scumread oldwino
There is more to come, but if I speak more, Judge would make his second parody wall of post so later.In post 160, Kasumeat wrote:oldwino accuses lane of not providing enough content, but then when oldwino asks what he should respond to, he gives him nothing. Looks like oldwino doesn't actually want lane to provide content, he just wants him to get lynched."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Me gonna pass Ari."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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What is Judge's logic and conclusion?In post 338, oldwino wrote:In post 266, oldwino wrote:
I agree with Judge, this was scummy. Moves Realeo up on my scum list. I'm finding too many people scummy in this game.
STOP!
How do you agree with Judge if you don't know what is a VCA? You can't agree with someone if you don't know what they are talking about.
In response to a couple of Realeo's questions and concerns.
I agreed with Judge's logic and conclusions.I didn't have to know what 'VCA' was an abbrev for to agree with what he was saying."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Like, Judge's logic is only explainedafteryou agree with him."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Oldwino, this is Judge's explanation.
Judge's logicIn post 206, Judge Joseph Dredd wrote:
and I scum read you back.In post 190, Realeo wrote:Guys, I'm role claiming.
I'm double voter.
VOTE: Judge
VOTE: Ari
I scumread Judge's sarcasm. I can understand human being sarcastic, but this is coming from a person complaining about lack of content. Smells hypocrisy when he being sarcastic about it especially the fact he has done nothing.
I mean, is it really possible that from Judge's perspective, EVERYTHING IS NAI AND EVERYTHING IS MEANINGLESS? Can't he even have scumlean or townlean?that vote switch is what some scum would do to reposition themselves on a lynch wagon so they would not appear like having joined it early in later vc analysis.for better understanding consult titus.IS THE VCA. You can't agree a logic that you don't understand"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Why do you scumread Aristo? I don't see explanations of your scumread at Aristo?In post 338, oldwino wrote:So far those scum leanings are:
Something Smart
WhyMafia
PM (but won't vote him since he's being replaced)
Daveaz
Lane
Realeo
Aristo
I'm voting
VOTE: Aristo
because he's got the heaviest wagon and we're getting near the deadline and we have to move this along, right or wrong.
Yes, I'm defending him.In post 338, oldwino wrote:I think the two of them are trying to move others towards a wagon on me to protect Aristo."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Eh, why this is a scumread? Given oldwino is a new player in this site, these shout paranoid town instead scum?In post 367, Kasumeat wrote:So what does trouble me about Oldwino is that he's always concerned with how others view his voting. From his very first post in RVS. He also has a few instances of SRing people but not really following up, and I don't like his TR on Kantrip which is basically that he's posting a lot therefore is town."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Given the consistency of Kasumeat @ fosing both me and S_S, I'm townleaning Kasumeat."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Oooh, I just realized something.
VOTE: No Lynch
It would be anti-town to explain what do I realize.
My question for oldwino still stands, however."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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@oldwino:
That makes senses. Would you mind to answer the remaining question I know I said "question" instead of "questions" but I am not native speaker so bear with my broken grammar.
And stop being sorry, btw. Regardless of your alignment, but especially of you're town, you need to start being confident.
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Basically, I want neither of oldwino or ari or lane.
Maybe I'm going to open up on PMyesterious, Rory, or dave's lynch. Skeptical for the former two, but we would see."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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