Open 691: Jungle Republic (ENDGAME)

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VOTE: Almost50

hai

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I read each head separately

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Then my read is null and i continue reading them until it isnt

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Also i might just ignore one head completely if its a player i usually cant read and focus on the other

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nah

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Almost votes are good

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Why not me, almost?

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Why not me, almost?

I don't have a read on you yet. I mean, you are scummy by nature, I grant you that, but what exactly have you done in this game to merit a confident SR??

Idk, what have the other two you said are scum done?

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UNVOTE:

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I agree with titus re:almost and actually think hes town here

VOTE: brie

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Almost i think youre just omgusing

Titus im not really reading closely and im unfamiliar with the majority of the playerlist so im just gutvoting

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I can say from my limited experience with A50 that he's a fairly calm player who doesn't panic when found out as scum. But that's one game, so it's likely not worth much.

This is what brie said, so yeah, tails was either misrepping or miaremembering there

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What youre describing is called tunneling

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I can say from my limited experience with A50 that he's a fairly calm player who doesn't panic when found out as scum. But that's one game, so it's likely not worth much.

And him panicking here didn't set off any alarms?

Based on this it does look like he misunderstood

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Okay with a50 SR

a50 is town

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And titus also looks relatively town

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dunker could be newbscum or newbtown, i dont mind him right now

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first opinion on gamma is negative

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'm on the same page as Wisdom which gives me hope.

buddying detected

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Actually,

@Wisdom: Your read on Dunkerdoodles would help too.

Already done

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Have you played with A50 before?

No.

Thats why

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Youre scumreading a playstyle and expecting almost to fit a certain way of playing

People have different playstyles, look for motivations instead

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dunker could be newbscum or newbtown, i dont mind him right now

leaning more on newbtown after his last post

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yep

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yes

hes town

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sure

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though i dont know brie and i might reconsider if i really scumread her later

I dont like gamma or radja right now, i might vote one of the hydras

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Why? Gen x have done nothing town

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Their reads have mostly coincided with mine, and they seem to be seeing a lot of the same things

Multiball; scum can have the same reads as you and even be right about them

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Radja buddying me and going for the easy vote

Gamma having awful reads

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because things arent that simple

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Lets agree on gen x

There are a lot of scum after all

VOTE: gen x

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Brie is still scum

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Because gen x is also scum

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Actually ill just do this

Raya36 - dunno
Almost50 - town
TheBrie - scum
Wisdom - town
Tails - town
Hellfire Missile - town
Titus - town
Dunkerdoodles - town
NotTheRealPaul - scum
Vedith - dunno
Eurotrash - scum
Generation X - scum

so one more scum in my dunno reads and solved

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Quick isoing has me favoring vedith for fifth scum

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VOTE: brie

fine

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dunker could be newbscum or newbtown, i dont mind him right now

dunker could be newbscum or newbtown, i dont mind him right now

leaning more on newbtown after his last post

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titus vote brie with us

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since when do you aim for newblynches? Dunker has done nothing scum indicative

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also "last minute wagon" really?

Consider me rethinking how town you are after brie flips scum

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because i say so

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Because hes a newbie, ffs

Do some research

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Yes i will when there are people actually scummy

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No but you are brie's

I know this defending

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Are your speculations based on anything or do you just randomly say things

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lol ok

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That alone shows how shallow your "analyzing" is

And Town!You would have never returned such a mild response, btw.

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Why would i unvote? Brie is scum

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ok

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Another newbie im not minding right now

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Or you know, you can stop assuming im scum

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And to correct you, i manipulate people i know much better
Newbies are unpredictable

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I dont make cases

She feels scum and im lynching her

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One game meta isnt meta

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When youve played a dozen games with her and youve come to know how she thinks and acts, maybe ill value your opinion

Right now you look like a clown who's trying to stop a scumlynch

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You haven't looked at the quality of votes on the Brie wagon

Correct! Newsflash, its multiball, scum will vote scum and i dont care in the least!

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tell me why brie is town, titus, im listening

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you cavalierly dismiss almost who seems to have actual evidence.

no, a single game isnt evidence, its almost's wishful thinking

Youre experienced enough to know this

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Its past midnight here too, so thanks

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the strategy Wisdom is using will lead us to ruin.

Titus has seen me playing like this a thousand times and acts like she never has

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yeah i mean its obvious theyll vote whatever counterwagon

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brie needs hammering

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Dunker was an a plus wagon you derailed for no reason.

no, dunker is a newbie whos most likely town

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brie needs hammering

Yes, before Tails further implicates himself.

Tails is town

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And who's dancing around whom's posts?

Youre both cute

but also both town

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if you dont like how i play why not just not play with me?

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Show me where it led to loses?

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Show me where it led to loses?

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Here we go. CommKnight adopted a similar bullrush strategy. Never even bothered with making scum talk.

My play, not others'.

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I'm not sure when I stop being a newbie

The two i mentioned dont even have a completed game
Youre not a neebke

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newbie*

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It's the same strategy.

Town also lost the game where we were scum partners.

yeah youre wrong; my play leads to wins, not loses, and im not changing it because you dont like it

Either avoid me or stop going against me in every game

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I railroaded you because you were against me like youre doing now

And it will keep happening

Just avoid me

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and the brie wagon is in no way "last second"

Such comments only make you look like youre her buddy and youre trying to discredit the wagon

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You will find even if I cease to play with you that your attitude will drive players away and you'll be significantly worse than chance Wisdom.

Titus im here since 2012 and there are very few people who ever avoided me

Let me worry about my attitude

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And how can you say im sucking this game? You dont know if my reads are right or wrong
For all we know ive caught all 5 scum

So you either antagonise me on purpose or driven by scum motivation

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And if it wasnt for railgun and machina and pretty much every game we've been both town in, id be shouting its scum motivation, but can i at this point? Youll just flip town again and remind me how you enjoy antagonizing me for no reason

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How is it failed if it works fine for me?

Again, show me games where it didnt work

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And cool; keep your "genuine belief" for yourself and avoid me, its really simple

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If they center the game around it, then yeah

You will either accept my playstyle or not play with me

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You mislynched me in railgun

Thats your fault, stop antagonizing me

Town still won and i played a major part in it, so

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im ending this now

Youre a smart person, i dont have to repeat myself all the time; either avoid me or stop whining

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Youll be dead by then

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i have my eyes on math for the possible remaining wolf but id rather focus on mafia today

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Titus town

actually maybe not given the kill

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Anyway

VOTE: gen x

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why concentrate on Mafia when we have the chance to turn this into a nightless game if we correctly lynch the remaining WW??

Many reasons

- The WW kill can help us by landing on mafia
- Mafia are three and we have to start lowering their numbers
- We have a Seer that can catch or at least limit the WW pool

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VOTE: ginghamdog

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mmm can be town

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ginghamdog, nottherealpaul, maybe vedith

All good lynches

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Brie

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but you can vote his replacement with me

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He hadnt caught up math

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8

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Remaining WW's prioriry is the seer, not mafia
Maybe they thought eurotrash are the seer?

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priority*

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Remind me what that means

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so that we have their result for future use without them outing im guessing

sure

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What info do they gain from this?

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oh right; if someone claims the ww is inno then the ww knows theyre not the seer

pedit: yeah

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yeah i see the downside, lets not do it

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nope

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i listed three reasons why thats not better

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youre not
We're not hypoing

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mod, its an open setup; game becomes nightless when wws are dead regardless of whether we agree or not

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Im not lynching Math

Vedith confirmed his place in my lynchpool with recent posts

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correct, dunker is towb and ntrp isnt

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town*

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no, youre scum

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dont need to convince scum theyre scum

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so we lynch paul if we want maf, should we still try and find the ww?

no and no
We lynch the gen x slot, who will flip mafia

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you refuse to lynch him

Quote where i refused
I dont have infinite votes, i have one and its on my top scumread

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I have votes but I'm not really sure what to say about them since I don't know why they exist. Granted, I'm only skimming through and jumping around but I'm not seeing what Transcend did to earn scum reads other than replacing out? Or is it just POE? Or just Transcend being Transcend? lol

This is called "why me fry me"
Focusing on why hes scumread rather than who is scum

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1- Did the WWs bus?
2- If not, then the other WW is in Math/MMM/Me. Which of the three would you think is it?

Thats shitty logic and again, i dont care about the ww today

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did i mention vedith is scum? yeah

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VOTE: nottherealpaul

pseudovote vedith for vigging

I agree with leashing the wolf, i disagree with the seer claiming unless under lynch/vig threat

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yes
Ive already explained why we're not lynching the ww

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gingham, any thoughts on who's mafia?

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no, you will kill vedith. If hes not dead tomorrow we're lynching you.

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kay. Your reads arent bad.

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do tell us why i would be scum if ntrp isnt

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Because me being town and pushing two town is unlikely? You consider me that good?

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a+ shading

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lots of blah blah but you're still dying

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almost do i have to start worrying youre mafia?

Its ridiculously obvious ging is telling the truth here, and we're not lynching her

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ntrp, vedith and the third is probably math

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it sure hurts that town has a vig now, eh?

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If Ging is a WW then leasing her to shoot the TOWNIES is VERY anti-Town.

Thats why we'll have her shoot mafia instead

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Now TOWN!Wisdom would have realized how bad it is for us to leash the WW (even if he did believe the claim) because one mislynch today and we do lose the majority

You keep assuming we will mislynch and misshoot
I can talk with numbers too; we lynch mafia, our leashed ww shoots mafia, and tomorrow only one mafia remains and we have another double shot to get rid of them.

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So, with Wisdom almost confirmed Scum

loling
Why dont you vote me then? Oh, right, because lynching the WW is somehow better

I cant even tell if youre this stupid or just mafia

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Town does NOT have a vig, and you tried the same thing in Death Note and it backfired and the SK won the game if I remember correctly

there were special mechanics town failed to realize there, plus I helped him win; no comparison

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I'm the Seer,

lmao youre actually this bad

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Always lynch a scum claim.

VOTE: GinghamDog

Math read the fucking game. We are not lynching the WW when there are THREE mafia alive
But you are mafia yourself so

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Bins too, lawl

Whoever is actually town stop being so fucking bad and handing the game to mafia

We are NOT lynching the WW who can shoot mafia for us
We are NOT lynching confirmed non-Mafia with 3 Mafia alive on Day2
Use your fucking brain

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I showed no doubt, keep twisting

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Youre ridiculously stupid for essentially lynching a vig; mafia are hard partying right now.

Good thing ill just blame almost after they win

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yeah yeah
good job dancing around the point
As if there was a chance she wouldnt shoot who we told her to

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are you incapable of understanding the concept of leashing?

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Yeah, no risk at all
Other than that we're heading into D3 with three mafia alive

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How am i supposed to tell bad from mafia when even the conftown seer is playing pro-mafia?

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lol
Im the only one playing protown here and you call my posts scumclaims

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cant fix lack of brain
Besides, theyll just call "scum" whatever they cant understand

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math, bins and ntrp

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vedith if one is wrong

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She is

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But you wanting to hammer her despite everything ive said makes you stupid anyway

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Still do as you can see in the quote above

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VOTE: ntrp

Can also lynch bins or math or maybe vedith

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you mean like we agreed on who is wolf?
You do know i caught them both singlehandedly, right?

Bins and Math are both pretty suspicious for how they sheeped your idiocy yesterday, but ntrp remains the most scummy in here.

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VOTE: math

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I dont feel as confident you are scum and math feels scummier now

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no, pls die

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Gingham outed herself before we could see the effectiveness of any push from you

lmao
I pushed the slot all d1 and d2 and got her to L-1 before she outted

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Or did you think it was a coincidence that it built so quickly?

wagon speed has no bearing on alignment; common fallacy

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if mommy and daddy are a mafioso family then gladly

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VOTE: bins[/b]

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VOTE: bins

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Note: Wisdom had suspected both NTRP & Vedith

I find both likely town now btw

I think its bins/dunker/mmm

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idk, some posts gave me "uhh maybe this wont flip scum" vibes

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math and paul arent buddies given how math was sheeping me on him

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dunker sounds like newbscum now

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but im not.
wisdom r u willing to lynch paul?

no

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nope

you or mmm or dunker

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sure

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lets lynch bins, ty

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amen

You cant play mafia with sheer logic

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mmm/bins/dunker

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dunker's behavior is definitely not newbtown now - his aim is to try and stop the movements he doesnt want to happen; theres no "i dunno whats happening here" vibe like at first.

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And honestly Dunkers recent posts look SUPER town

lolno

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i think we are all town

This isn't a scumpost just btw

itt bins trying to cover her buddy's slips

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No hes pretty scummy indepedently of you
His tone has completely changed from the innocent clueless newbtown to someone trying to push things
Its newbscum opportunism

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can we please lynch Vedith like how would you want this slot in LYLO it's not going to live further

nope
Youd love to lynch our local lynchbait but hes town and its not happening

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and you realize Vedith is actually pretty good at scum because his meta is hard to read right

therefore youre admitting you cant read him and your scumread is bullshit

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lel policy lynch with 3 mafia alive

die pls

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You said his town play is the same as his scum play
Now you say its his scum play

You said you dont want him in lylo
Now you say its not a policy lynch

die pls

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mmm is another obvious scum with all this quote flailing-defending

Have i mentioned its mmm/bins/dunker?

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nah

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The way youre defending shows frustration at getting correctly scumread

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"it would be independent of my alignment! stop catching me for the wrong reasons!"

^more scum frustration

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lel
Yeah, thats what you

want

to be read as

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Im loling at the blatant defending between the scumbuddies
Hurts to have been caught and being unable to even kill me

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You have no choice but to try and fight me now! Lovin it

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tails is obvtown lel

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haha now theyre obvtown?
You keep confirming im right with each post

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no, you're all continously claiming scum and i feel amazing about it

pedit: yeah hurts that im townreading the people you hoped to push

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i had bad reads (paul, vedith, math) and i walked away from them
I had good reads (both wolves) and i didnt hesitate a second

guess in which state im now

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boring

lynch bins already and then the other two

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almost wtf are you doing forcing a 1v1? We have no guarantee scum's in there

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i dont even, almost

If you were locked in lynching one of the big wagons everytime you would never lynch scum

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no and no

Lynch bins with me

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NTRP and Dunkers sounds like SvS

I had this thought too for a second

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VOTE: mmm

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bins was kinda town in last posts
I prefer mmm

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btw im on mmm now so its 2 for mmm and bins each

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bad reads are bad

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die already

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whatever lets have a lynch

VOTE: vedith

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you dont get to order me

vedith is at l-1 so guess what, its happening

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nah

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VOTE: mmm