Open 693 - Capture the (White) Flag - Mod KIA

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God ye good den fellows.

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VOTE: Io

I thought I'd end up defending this slot, but her mischaracterization of lil uzi vert was pretty bad. Reads more as having intentionally sought the wrong meaning for lil uzi vert's post to push a narrative, instead of a simple misinterpretation.

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That said, whether lil uzi vert is scum or town I know not. But that particular thing was in no way what io made it out to be.

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Why are there so many people not voting anyone?

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So there's no serious counterwagon to this. Lil uzi vert wagon is a joke. If this is scum I assume it's 1 bussing 1 not voting, if not then both inactive.

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Dongempire, whilst I read Io likely scum the word usage in particular is likely not relevant. In other websites where players may come from, they use lynch as a standard term instead of wagon.

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I don't see why if you're town you feel the need to lie so much about what I've said and give these halfassed weak pushes.
I've yet to see a single valuable piece of criticism come out of your mouth this whole game.

As for this. Has dongempire ever explicitly lied anywhere, can you provide this?

Why does whether he has "valuable" criticism something which reflects on his alignment? Tis quite possible for town to be mistaken and for scum to be reasonable. I read this as you take issue simply with how he does things, rather than looking into what may be the intent behind what he does.

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Tis not an alisae alt...

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Tis not an alisae alt...

Never mind.

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VOTE: QuantumRadius

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Well there's your problem.
You can't just rely on night actions to make reads.
Especially in this game that is strictly made of vanilla.

i can make reads in a vanilla game
they're just terrible.
but whatever, ill look anyway

So...In essence your defense for the accusation is that you're just not good at scumhunting?
I mean I know this is going to sound rather mean, but you're not really presenting a good case to not kill you because it sounds like there isn't a huge loss if you're lynched.
If you're scum then it's a pretty lucky lynch, and if you're town you're pretty much saying you wouldn't be very good help late game aside from being contribution for majority.

So.
VOTE: Quantum
Sorry if you're town, but I would just say you would need to work on like reading up on some Mafia Theory maybe or try reading up on games you were town in and see where Mafia slipped up and how to notice when a Mafia slips up.

omg that actually worked?
my reaction test actually worked?
that never happens to me

this pinged me hard for being opportunistic.
you realize i would be an easy mislynch. therefore you are pushing me because i will offer little resistance in the form of defense (i can't really prove i'm a vt), and because the town isn't losing much if they do. therefore i'm an ideal first ml to be pushing as a mafia member, plus you have the support of the town.
VOTE: io

How are they even both so scummy here.

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these two votes are, in my sight, miles apart from each other.

dong's tone is genuine frustration. he's a bit angry that i was playing useless. he also realizes that he isn't on the board. this signals to me that he wants to kick the game into motion and see some action in the thread. he isn't playing passively and letting the town destroy itself. he easily could have forgotten the vote and left it as a shadecast, but he instead wants me active and forming independent position. can't see that post ever coming from a mafia member.

your vote, on the other hand, screams that you want me mislynched. you clearly don't give a shit about my alignment. you just know that i was being useless, and the town would feel as though they weren't losing much through the lynch, camouflaging the mafia members on my wagon. it was extremely opportunistic and advantageous from a scum perspective.

conclusion: dong town, io scum. i got exactly what i wanted.

Are these reads too simple or did they make sense in context?

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Quantumradius might be VI, his T game is not so different I think.

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VOTE: Dongempire

Not sure if his anger is quite real, and his posts and votes seem even more one dimensional than io's.

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To be clear, pushing someone for making an error or justifying your vote based on bad play. Instead of why you think the person is really scum and doing things out of scum motivation.

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Why am I always ignored.

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Dongempire is a good vote but like why are you trying to get off of Quantum?
Like, what provoked this change?

He couldn't produce reads early, and then when he did they seemed exaggerated. But when I looked at his town game he had similar trouble starting up and votes seemed weird there too.

I wouldn't put him town either, but there is a realistic chance he may be VI.

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No it's not that I dislike his playstyle it's that he's made up arguments as to why I am scum by stretching heavily and just flat out lying about some things like I'm purposefully misusing or even just misusing in general which I don't think I have terminology and not keeping up with the game.

I've pointed out in multiple of my posts addressing his arguments why they are not backed up so I've already proved he is.

A lot has happened in the past hour as I've gotten familiar, and I have since voted him.

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I had a town read on Taiho. Please don't let me down.

Aye, I requested this slot specifically and not the other one which seemed null. Though A2 looks to be fine, so perhaps it mattered not.

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gee, no wonder you townread IO.

What do you mean by this?

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VOTE: Io

I want to see a flip already.

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VOTE: Dongempire

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I want to work with a flip. It's mountainous, so there is not the normal caution necessary day one.

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I want to work with a flip. It's mountainous, so there is not the normal caution necessary day one.

What made you feel Dong is more likely to go through than Io?

Momentum is a thing, io is stale and a2 was on quantum last time I did dong which stalled that then.

As for dongempire his insistence on pushing Io for using the word lynch even after I pointed out now bothers me. Io may be scum but it would not be for something like that.

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A2, I do not believe scum would wagon together so boldly as such.

VC 1.9

Io (L-3) -

Lil Uzi Vert, QuantumRadius, Dongempire

, Chickadee
Lil Uzi Vert (L-5) - Sesq, MarioManiac4
Dongempire (L-5) - Io, Steel
QuantumRadius (L-6) - A2

Spawn Campers (4) - Flairs, BTD6_maker, Kawso, Kop

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

(expired on 2017-07-16 11:16:00)

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At minimum, I presume 1 scum is within not voting.

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Methinks not BTD, however.

Upon a new day may we pressure all players to the fullest extent, tis too late now I presume.

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VOTE: Sesq

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Tis much more interested as town, it seems.

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What is thy read unto sesq?

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[MM4, Steel, A2, BTD6]
[Quantum, Io, Kawso]
[Kop, Flairs, Dong]
[Chickadee, LUV]

Furthermore, may ye explain any of these?

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Sesq wagon <
2 days left <
Half of the game is inactive <

Aye. Me wonders if sesq vote left on you yet not pushed, was perhaps merely to be somewhere to avoid being on the Io lynch wagon if she be town.

You are not willing to do any other lynches at this moment? She is thy greatest scumread by a margin most significant?

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I have now viewed scum games from sesq which are active, yet I see not reason to townread her here still.

As for mario I as well suspected it, however his appearance since seems to be fair.

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May you put a guess as to how likely you think Io flips scum to your mind?

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VOTE: Io

I believe this must be the days lynch, after all. I would have liked to see sesq rung up, yet there would not be time for further judgement there of anything she says methinks.

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Chikadee you seem you know lil uzi. He said he was 90% confident on io flipping scum earlier offered to be lynched if he were wrong. Firstly is this fitting with his character, secondly if he is town how much would you trust his scumread judgement?

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As deadline loomed I had wished to resolve the Io-Dong-Lil conflict and take what lynch appeared viable, yet with it frozen for a time unknown I'm unsure if she is the best option still if now nothing is off the table.

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A2 has been disconnected.

What does this mean?

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No, with replacements there are less potential votes so it be fair. Consider the extreme example of a game in which half the players within a game replace, they would be unable to reach any lynch.

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That's enough for a lynch if all members are town, yet if one or multiple are scum a lynch onto scum would only be at their leisure if they choose to bus and impossible otherwise.

I shall judge this game anew when I return.

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Why would a2 replace when she read up, had reads with some apparent conviction and was invested in the game?

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I think a post got deleted or something, all the early post references are off by 1.

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Chickadee, QuantumRadius, Kawso?

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Kawso partners tell with chikadee in rvs and both of them unvote quantumradius and stop mentioning him again it seems.

What made that quantumradius wagon start and stop again in summary? I'll read what I can but I may miss some context.

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We're wasting our time discussing trivial matters.

I don't like the fact that people are complaining if they can't get reads, do something to get them!

VOTE: QuantumRadius because of this

Never mind what I said earlier, it seems kawso singlehandedly started that wagon.

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I misread the VCs, chickadee was never on quantum's wagon to begin with.

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No

I may have a scum read on them, but it's not my strongest and I'm more confident that either LUV or Empire flips scum than trying to go after someone who may be scum or doing suboptimal town play.

I don't understand this unwillingness when you are currently leading wagon.

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Bah.

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I'll count this as a win as I got killed n1 I suppose.