Open 694: Friends and Enemies (Game Over!)
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NoIn post 20, bombcat wrote:Can we all agree that I'm obvious town-
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Oh geez 4 pages already well atleast I won't have to pull teeth to get you guys to talk thatsfor certain
I'm gonna eat dinner so it'll take me a while to catch up
I saw echo namedrop me to defend him
Yeah he was like that in the last game but he was also scum sooooooooooooo
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Transcend was serious actually, looks like trying to take town reins early as possible? Idk
Connor steps into the ring it looks like, not sure I like post 43, bad reads can just be bad reads. Don't think this is scum v scum for certain, moving on
I do think transcend is stretching on the lamist, I made a similar statement in our last game together and I got no flack for it
I cannot get a good read on transcend for the life of me, he waves back and forward when it comes to intensity.
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Sun has a problem with RVS vote????
Transcend is sure excited to get a lynch going on page 3 that's for sure
Transcend is right about echo, way more posting and clarity then before, last game they rode half and half of signaling scum/vig
But I'd find it pretty hard to believe he'd stick his neck out like this if he had a role
Sunchild is bantering in the middle of his defense reads weird to me
Then again my radar is way overturned to react badly to any sort of buddying
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Well that's slightly more detail from sesq then the last game I had with them
Idk I'm not seeing the Conor vote, like not enough to get the wagon going
I have a gut bad feeling about wavemodes switch on to Connor but it's not the worst
Actually saying that echovsions posts are lacking content is just ignoring the posts themselves, espescially given how constantly holy he is in all of them, pay attention Connor
Hey look bombcat started participating by asking a question
Flubber is right
It looks like sun and echo are picking fights
Not sure if town v town or fake ass bussing
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Hey transcend don't you know I have a thing about clarity
You don't have to wall post but atleast get youre reasons for voting across
Sunchilds response to transcend vote is so close to just being OMGUS without addressing the problems with transcends vote
I don't like that
Connor is right about echos vote tho, does seem preemptively defensive
Wow sun is just jumping off the deep end, even trying to get me to vote for transcend? I don't like enlisting, just gross, espescially since I hadn't been very active
Hey look sesq is saying stuff
It'd be nice to know what she thinks about what's happening rather than a singular upnin the air opinion on one player
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I don't get what fundraiser is even saying about transcend trying to undermine suns credibilty, like I'd say the more OMGUS posts from sun seem to attempt to do that to transcend
I don't like how Echols defensive wall starts, just reads fake as fuckkkkk "better hope you don't end up with a game with me and trans as scum"
Which doesn't even like hold true, echo was on my radar last game since day 2 and transcends Hydra was obv werewolf and opportunistic as fuck
Diss aside don't think I don't see you joke stealing echo
Not sure how arguing a technicality is considered scummy tho???
I see flubber isn't being clear in who he doesn't think is scum
Clarity please
Sesq where did fen mention your oblique-Ness being a problem?
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Wow look sesq is posting content and it's nice and clear what a godsend
Not sarcastic either it helps
Also I though sun was an alt and that was established like several pages ago, not a new player as you're suggesting sesq?
Hey I like suns wall believe it or not, very clear and detailed, as well as outlines just thinking and explains his brashness to "I just play this way" mentality
Mantis not being clear as I like
Lol to transcend trying to discredit their previous play styles for profile use but there's a chance there's truth to it
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What's with waevmodes shitty logic on keeping their opinions to themselves until others opinions come out, and then arguing other people's opinions shouldn't depend on his?????
Hey bombcat you wanna play the game
Idk transcend I believe sun on being an alt years back, I mean my account was created similarly years before your join date before I abandoned it and just decided to start fresh here after like 4 years or something
Hey look Connor makes a nice wall post that adds to the discussion
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Ah okay chances are raya is just busy
Why is everyone shitting on echo for "shitposting" nonstop apperentlybbut everyone is okay with bobcat doing like worse than nothing
I really don't like wave mode waiting this long to share
Also flubber is being more clear hooray
I think that's everyone now, my clarity radar can rest easy
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I meant he grew on me as town. I always assumed "grew on me" was a positive phrase but that's my bad I guess, sorry about fhat.
Wave your intentions are probably not just "I won't tell until everyone tells" and yes you do seem to have some internal motivation that's logically sound but in games like these what matters is what you're getting across, and while you stand to benefit from it, the town does not. All the town gets is not knowing your opinions until a slow user (me) catches up thru 11 walls.
Gotta be honest waves vote evening up sunchilds wagon after I put transcends wagon at 4 just makes me feel ever so much more right about wave transcend being scum buddies
Plus as Connor points out, there's a real noncommittal criticism of Trans, while I don't agree that every criticism necessarily implies a vote should follow, I do think a possible reason for this is friendly scum bussing.-
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More like wants my vote I thinkIn post 295, EchoVision wrote:Oh I didn't think anybody would have to wait for you, I was just making fun of wavemode because he apparently needs everyones opinions before he can spill his own.
Also why is my opinion so important over jh's opinion
Also wavemode maybe just give me an indication that I'm wrong about you right now-
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In post 278, Flubbernugget wrote:You gotta get your lynch through somehow
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I hope this isn't what you're referring to. There's not much here as to why Trans behavior is more town than scum, and then a naked switch.In post 84, wavemode wrote:I hate Transcend's play and most (all?) of his reads and logic, but he's not scummy atm.
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VOTE: ConnorJC
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You sure are reading a lot into what I was pretty damn sure was simple clear as day sentenceIn post 313, wavemode wrote:
I disagree with this sentiment, since I am always been open to questioning if anyone is curious about anything about me. Just ask.In post 306, GameNBurger wrote:All the town gets is not knowing your opinions until a slow user (me) catches up thru 11 walls.
Like, would you rather I just lurk the game away like Sesq? She and I are the same in that we don't post everything that's on our mind all the time. The difference between me and her, though, is that I try to question people in the meantime, since I believe it helps the town. I don't really see anything wrong with that.
I'm talking about the fact you turned down questions about your reads saying you were waiting for me to comment
I get you want to get a full scope of the players before you give your views but refusing to talk about general reads you have at the moment is just detrimental to town, whittling down the clock.
I never said anywhere you should lurk. Quite the opposite actually, I wish you talked more earlier. I would give you the Benifit of the doubt and say you're just grossly misreading my post but the misdirect to another players behavior just gives me terrible vibes.-
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To address your pedit first: no, I just don't like it when people respond to something I am talking about dorectly with a tangential subject. Why is my post newbscum? Other than using specific language, how is what I'm saying scummy? Please be clear and tell me directly.In post 324, wavemode wrote:This sun lynch is feeling really,reallygood at this point. There have been lots of votes in this game and not one has gotten this much pushback. Like, game, flubber, connor, why are you so concerned about Sun's well-being? Flubber in particular, you're going WAY more in-depth and putting in WAY more effort to discredit my read on Sun than anything you've done this whole game. Like, if you three are town, you don't really know for a fact that Sun is town, do you? Why fight so hard? I'm free to scumread him if I so please. If you think the real scum is Trans then go argue for that rather than ganging up on me.
Like, it is actually so telling that after one read onto Sun I am suddenly public enemy number one. Lynching correctly on day one is so difficult for this very reason. If I just helped along the trans or echo wagons nobody would look twice at me. Hell, I had a vote on connor this whole game and nobody gave half a flying fuck about it lmao. (That's kind of improving his image in my eyes.) Then suddenly I switch onto sun and, holy shit, here comes the cavalry. Like, me helping you guys kill Trans or Echo, and nobody really saying much about it, and everyone just kind of going along with it? That reeks of Town vs. Town. But this? This is the real shit. There is scum at work here to derail this wagon and it's so obvious. I just hope I live long enough now to laugh about it.
PEdit: ^ oh wow what is thiiiiis. "grossly misreading" "misdirect" "terrible vibes" sweet jesus this is the motherload of newbscum. Word of advice, brother, that was a purely innocent post and I was just explaining my playstyle. You're tryingwaytoo hard to throw shade there.
Also I basically just stepped into this game as an actual player, you can see a progression of my thoughts on Sun, I think in the end he's town. I can't speak for other but from what I see is people pushing you, not your vote. Also what are you even on about grouping us three together and that if we think we're all town that we should look at sun as possibly being scum? What are you trying to imply here?-
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^^^^His last sentence says it better than I could ever hope to.In post 325, ConnorJC wrote:
Pedit: There's 3 masons in the game, so there actually are 3 town players that know each other to be town.
Also, maybe people are criticizing your reads now because you actually fucking posted them instead of refusing to give analysis like the first 10 pages of the game.
Also in case you're not clear I'm more criticizing your vote on sun as an identical wagon in response to me upping the Trans vote. I thought It seemed awfully convenient, it's not that I think a vote on sun is particularly scummy, there's like 3 other people to go around to accuse of scum if that were the case. Just for clarity's sake, as I probably wasn't being clear enough into exactly what I was criticizing you for.-
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Well this has a lot of clarity in itIn post 331, wavemode wrote:
Alright you are asking for a lesson so I will teach you.In post 326, GameNBurger wrote:To address your pedit first: no, I just don't like it when people respond to something I am talking about dorectly with a tangential subject. Why is my post newbscum? Other than using specific language, how is what I'm saying scummy? Please be clear and tell me directly.
Also I basically just stepped into this game as an actual player, you can see a progression of my thoughts on Sun, I think in the end he's town. I can't speak for other but from what I see is people pushing you, not your vote. Also what are you even on about grouping us three together and that if we think we're all town that we should look at sun as possibly being scum? What are you trying to imply here?
It's not about the words themselves, per se, but how you're using them. First of all you're responding to completely non-hostile post with unbridled hostility, always a bad sign. And saying things like "grossly misreading" here just means you're trying to amplify the weight of what you're saying. Why couldn't I have just been misreading your post? Why is it a gross misreading? What does that even mean, and where do you draw the line between gross misreadings and regular misreadings lol. And then you say you want to give me the benefit of the doubt, but then you dont! Come on man, give me the benefit of the doubt. Don't say you want to give me the benefit of the doubt and then not give me the benefit of the doubt. That's just uncool man.
"misdirect" and "terrible vibes" serve similar purposes here. Like, if you have some logical thing to put forth, just say what it is you want to say, in explicit terms. I tried to take away suspicion from me and put it onto Sesq, and that makes you think I'm scummy. There, was that hard? That is how normal people say things.
I guess what I'm trying to say here is, you're not really saying this like a human being, sharing their thoughts and arriving at a logical conclusion. You said it like a lawyer makes his final statements in court, with as much brovado as possible so it sounds like you have absolute confidence in the things you're saying, to make what I did sound much worse than it was. In reality, I (may or may not have) misread something you said. But in your post, I'm a fedora-and-trenchcoat-wearing don corleone with a monacle, drinking wine and stroking a cat, laughing maniacally to myself as I INTENTIONALLY MISLEAD THE TOWN with my GROSS MISREADING. MUAHAHAaaa my master plan is coming to fruitionnnn
Also, I'm not saying you three, if you are town, should look at sun as scum. I'm saying you should be looking at Transcend and Echo, your scumreads. Your focus should be on proving that they are scum and getting support for those wagons, not on me and attacking everything I do.
I think if you check out my previous games you'll see I dip into the more verbose side of things, so no "sounding like a lawyer isn't scummy. I talk clearly and everyone understands me, I'm sorry that adverbs read scummy (although they generally are misused so maybe I should reconsider whenever I use one)
You're reading a lot in to my post than there is and frankly I never accused you of being a mustache twirling villain, I'm just questiongin your logic and calling out dodgy responses as well as trying to clarify what you're saying. Yes I'm very gruff but as explained in previous game, I have a good play style reason for being so.if you're too lazy to go back and check (which is understandable honestly) I just don't see a reason to be nice as town, I don't like to allow for an inch of buddying, nor arm scum with claims ofbuddying to use against me. So chances are I will respond to everything with a bit of edge, and if you disagree with that fair enough
Besides I type of flow of consciousness so learn to recognize some differences in speech
But atleast thank you for clearing up what was your problem
Also returning perceived hostility by being condescending in the first line means you're a rude townie bad at conflict resolution or scum trying to piss people off to draw spotlights elsewhere, so do try to diffuse hostility with kindness (or without condescension)-
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Wave does have a point here, you're basically asking a second pair of reads from him, if he really believes sun is the scum of all scum then just going "well what if he's not " on day 1 can't possibly result in anythingIn post 332, wavemode wrote:
Yes. Exactly. Everything we do here is worthless until someone dies. I could scumread whoever I want but until they're dead, we don't know for sure, do we?In post 330, ConnorJC wrote:Assuming that one person is scum and building the rest of your reads around that basically means the rest of your reads are worthless until Sun dies.
Like, I'm perplexed by this way of thinking you have, that I should just dance around and point fingers at a bunch of people, cast the net wide and go the path of least resistance. We've got to lynch somebody. ONE somebody. And right now I think that somebody should be Sun. I don't pretend to know for a fact who is scum here or who is town but I've got a damn good read and I think it's our best shot. If I'm wrong I will re-assess (or get lynched. who knows ) but we will cross that bridge if and when we come to it.-
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In post 329, wavemode wrote:
Dude, do you even realize what you're saying... those other people are Trans and Echo. The people you and Flubber and Sun want dead! So, thanks for agreeing with me?In post 327, GameNBurger wrote:there's like 3 other people to go around to accuse of scum if that were the case
Except that's now why I'm scumreading them?
Stop taking my posts for a walk, what I write is the end of what I write, I get there is a responsibility of the author to show clarity of communication but you can't take the ideas of a text, expound upon them, and then reatribute those expounded ideas to the original author of the text. Your walking my posts farther than I ever took them.-
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This will be the last thing I contribute to this specific problem you're having as this isn't helping for town and part of me feels like I'm walking straight into that trap if I continue further but this sort of refusal to use all the tools available to you drives me up the wallIn post 331, wavemode wrote:
Alright you are asking for a lesson so I will teach you.In post 326, GameNBurger wrote:To address your pedit first: no, I just don't like it when people respond to something I am talking about dorectly with a tangential subject. Why is my post newbscum? Other than using specific language, how is what I'm saying scummy? Please be clear and tell me directly.
Also I basically just stepped into this game as an actual player, you can see a progression of my thoughts on Sun, I think in the end he's town. I can't speak for other but from what I see is people pushing you, not your vote. Also what are you even on about grouping us three together and that if we think we're all town that we should look at sun as possibly being scum? What are you trying to imply here?
Me saying this sentence is condescending isn't bad faith, it's how I'm reading it. Maybe you haven't learned diction yet since I don't know how old you are so I'm not gonna flip on you, but if that's the case the words you're choosing and the way they're written imply a condescending tone. The terminology selected imply a power relationship, you as the teacher and me as the student, which is strictly a one way conversation. When you ask a friend a question IRL they are not suddenly you're teacher, as that would imply a sense of authority on a subject. This is what your words imply, putting you on a pedestal as an authority figure teaching a student whose knowledge is inferior. This is not the proper response to some asking to clarify your thoughts. I was asking why you thought the words were scummy, not to be taught a lesson in scumology 101. These are images contained in the words you wrote. Diction is a powerful tool, it's why you're right to criticize adverb use as rarely do adverbs have a place. While I personally disagree and think the adverbs express the exact degree of which I see some of your actions as scummy, I don't dismiss your viewpoint on them and will tailor my language to improve that. Not you, everyone has to be aware of their diction as while intent on words is important, as I'm sure you didn't mean to be condescending, but your words communicate, and at the end of the day, without being psychic, all I can know for certain are the words you put down. It's an important tool in playing forum mafia, and pro diction can and will torpedo anyone's game.
That's my rant, I think I made a similar one in the last game I was in.
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I mean it's better than silence from his end
Not much better but better-
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Also 4 pages of stupid and people talking about mason reads
Like how does that even help town in the slightest what is wrong with any of you
Ughhhh
Jh don't get on his level if you're gonna lock horns with bombcat, I know I'm one to talk as I'm prone to that but idk if I learned anything useful from any of that
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It's better in the way we know he's useless scum rather than just wondering he's v/la and has told anyone yetIn post 475, Flubbernugget wrote:
No. It's not.In post 468, GameNBurger wrote:I mean it's better than silence from his end
Not much better but better-
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Even wavemode gave reads on more than 2 peopleIn post 488, bombcat wrote:i don't get what i would be policy lynched for, not talking about mason reads?
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I second this, please don't speak so obtusely transcend
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I think we're far enough from the start.In post 496, bombcat wrote:Can we policy lynch game Burger for wanting to policy lynch me for only giving reads on a third of the people in the game at the start of day one-
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I guess I'm thinking more along along the line of "fine go ahead and mislynch me I don't care attitude" which is just incredibly edible unhelpful to town and an easy gambit to pull as a scum, atleast back when I first learned off siteIn post 552, Egg wrote:
I definitely wouldn't complain if the day ended in a sesq lynch, but I think bombcat is more dangerous because he's trying to out the masons and people are actually discussing it with him.In post 549, wavemode wrote:MY NAME IS NOT WAVEFORM
And this game is feeling more and more like we will mislynch today...
That said, I do like Fen's grand entrance to the game much more than I liked GameNBurger's. Your analysis has a certain clarity to it and it goes beyond just surface-level observation of things that are already obvious to everyone. Plus you don't want to kill me which is always nice.
You do seem to scumread Sesq. As I've said before, there are likely three scum within the four {Flubbernugget, SunChild, GameNBurger, Sesq}. I'd much rather compromise on a Sesq vote than no-lynching or killing bombcat. Thoughts?
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I don't know how I feel on the bombcat lynch
Idk I don't see scum doubling down on those kind of posts without some sort of proper read squeezed in unless he's playing some sort of fifth dimensional chess
Yeah Im still feeling the wave lynch
I feel like I might have been played and he's the kind of scum that intentionally likes picking fights that are meaningless-
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I hate all of this
Let's see
Vedith doesn't really do anything scummy other than give less catch up summaries than I personally desire but he has offered some kind of reads list
Somewhat
Idk i feel like scum is using a replacement as last minute desperate lynch bait, he's commented enough where I get a sense of townness
If anything transcends vote makes me feel pretty solid on my scumread on them as I see vedith as low hanging fruit
Transcend really needs to catch up and drop the whole doggo in a headlight schtick
Bombcat it's close to the end of the day please play the game I swear
I need to dive into eggs ISO
He switches his vote from bombcat to sesq as a compromise, despite sesq being a lower wagon then bomb and thus accomplishing nothing????????????? Like I think I'm missing something
Wave I'm having cold feet on, I'm getting flashbacks to previous games where I've been wrong on this kind of disruptive sun read
But disputing someone for using the phrase "I recall" doesn't contribute absolutely anything to town so ughhhhhhhhhhhh
I think jjh is a town lean for me, maybe aggressive in some places but it all seems town motivated
Sesq is more town in this game than the last game I played with her
That being said now would be an excellent time to come back and play the game near deadline at the very least
That's everyone on the board right now
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No never mind for some reason i missed Sunchild's name on the VC at the top of page 32, so now the train is rolling again
Its been a week since their last post, Have they been prodded???
And it was even a vanity post like
WHYYYYYYYYYYYY
why cant the people i town read just continuing acting like town and not doing scummy shit like this-
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53 hours guys
I hate where this is going because clearly my scumreads are wrong
I still scum read transcend
Yes Connor is a townread still and a pretty strong one at that
Wavemode is just town I disagree with entirely
Sesq I townread this game
If it were down between vedith and jjh I town read them both but I'd rather have jjh for town since I personally can't stand people that tunnel and simply go "kill this"
But I hate compromising
Bombcat are you vanity voting egg or is it serious
Ugh I'm no good at this, my last game had this same sort of indecisiveness and it drove me up the wall-
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I think this sums up why my vote stays
I swear to god this is absolutely the wrong lynch candidate-
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Vedith: people didn't like his slots memeness in their posts and light tone, and when vedith subbed in he tunneled a bit
Transcend: active for first half of game but disappeared and shitposted while not really doing much in the name of catching up other than going "crap I'm not caught up" in a snesne (there's a bias here from me but oh well)
Jjh: they're aggressive? I don't see honestly so someone else's insight would be helpful
Bombcat: shitposted for most of game and reeked of lhrkscum before starting to participate somewhat
Sesq: doesn't say much
GameNBurger: no ones told me yet so I don't know
Wavemode: iffy interactions, perhaps somewhat knee jerk, was somewhat unproductive a few pages back-
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Hm I agree with bombcat I don't like thisIn post 969, bombcat wrote:You LITERALLY just called transcend mafia-
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I appreciate the transparencyIn post 981, Transcend wrote:
i had game and vedith as mason read because of game's reaction when vedith was being run up but i don't think mason!game makes this post with mason!v.In post 976, GameNBurger wrote:
Hm I agree with bombcat I don't like thisIn post 969, bombcat wrote:You LITERALLY just called transcend mafia
so yeah.
Okay now your earlier erratic decision makes more sense now
Intent to hammer vedith
I'm starting to fade on the transcend scumread and vediths voting doesn't sit well with me, everyone else feels down for me at the moment
This is why Day 1 is lame-
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Town blocks are stupid
Unless it's literally full of masons town blocks are just bound to be wrong and allow scum to just easily sheep town block
I also think transcends vote on Titus is icky and opurtunistic by the books
Havingfitz seems average good to see they're back
So wait is raya staying or going, pls stay if you can handle it there's already a lot of subs
Bombcat is consistent as is wave
I'm still townreading sesq
I say lynch the doggo
VOTE: transcend
Other than that I need my time to get a new scumlist since transcend is the only thing I'm really certain of-
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Sun disappeared early game and Titus has barely been in the game at allIn post 1179, wavemode wrote:Did you miss the part where Transcend thought SunChild was scummy? How is his Titus vote now opportunistic? Like, explain what is so bad about him scumreading Titus/Sun?
That being said I'd like to see more Titus but in my personal judgement it's too early to judge
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