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EBWOPIn post 49, Jules and Vincent wrote:VOTE: Havingfitz
OMGUS doesn't agree with me. And people who OMGUS vote against someone who has voted for them, doesn't sit well either.
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In post 17, iiSq5024 wrote:Shortest day ever?In post 25, iiSq5024 wrote:Of course I knew it wasn't a lynch. I was looking for reactions but the mod ruined it.A reaction test?
How were you going to discern the shockedtownreaction from the bewilderedscumreaction? Kinda shite reaction test if you ask me. You voted literally seconds after Creature's fake L-1... were you really that attentive to the Accelerated start Vote Count at that point?
Me tooIn post 23, CommKnight wrote:Also I completely misread this set-up.
osuka has been going down the hard fluff-posting route from the very beginning. I'm interested to see if he's actually gained anything from them... is this supposed to be your osuka-obv town persona? Don't know your meta, but your tone so far feels like a strained imitation so far.
I'm not sure whether to takeIn post 29, NotTheRealPaul wrote:im not sure wherher to take this srsly.
and ya isq i no believe eitherthispost seriously!
Second line feels sheepish, why no vote on iiSq5024?
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Sorry about the walls - I don't want to multi-post, and I'm still a couple pages behind.
osuka's best post so far (i.e I agree with it).In post 35, osuka wrote:yeah so actually if anything 17 just made the whole thing more sus imo
all of what you've done so far is cloaked in wifom and i dislike you for town
This would be a ballsy thing to say as scum to town (but not to his scum partner).In post 39, osuka wrote:like on a scale going from 1 to confscum, you're the lynch today
Interesting theory. Problem is I can empathasize with him calling your actions a "very anti-town thing to do"In post 46, iiSq5024 wrote:Here it is.
VOTE: CommKnight
Osuka might just be misunderstanding but 23 sounded like he knew exactly what he was doing. And 34 sounds like he's acknowledging that I didn't intend to hammer and searching for another reason to call me scum.
This cock-tease foreplay excites me. You better supply the goods later though, otherwise you'll have to progress from your standoff-ish stance.
Nice shade. [I.e Have you ever seen scum be so cutting with 'town'?]In post 53, osuka wrote:Since you're either at least slightly dense, or pretending to be so, I'll break the order of events down for you:
Smells like 'scum' trying to calm down 'town'.In post 60, NotTheRealPaul wrote:ps i think ur taking this wifom thing too far. pretty sure quickest day ever was just a joke.
Why the director's commentary?In post 64, havingfitz wrote:I'm not really voting Creature (his lie is nai to me) but I'm not sure where I want to vote and unvoting isn't an option. So I'll vote Snarky who has none.
VOTE: Snarky
Wow - this just reminded me of the set-up. Scum will be dropping hints through-out the game.In post 71, nykus wrote:Osukas scum leaning himself and self depricating could be lowkey signalling to the other half of his team that he is in fact scum too
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In post 87, osuka wrote:i was scum
Hmm... is osuka is living up to his scum-meta then?In post 85, NotTheRealPaul wrote:and it does seem like ur reacting as strongly as our last game so ur still reactibg strongly. might just be a personality/playstyle thing but idk u well enough to judge
Feel like he should be more than 'nullscum' right now...In post 110, NotTheRealPaul wrote:its not ur walls. everytime u got SRed that game u reacted strongly and it feels like how i reacted just now to some votes.
Ur like nullscum rn.
In post 40, nykus wrote:I'm sort of tossing between osuka and iisq.How are you reading iiSq5024 and osuka now?
No. Worst strat ever right now. Keep scum clueless. I want to see scumIn post 113, NotTheRealPaul wrote:PGO should claimtryand lynch them too.
Pretty much caught up now, but haven't spoken to Jules Winnfield yet.
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SnarkySnowman, talk to me about Commknight ("Commknight is overblown")
I have no problem with the Steel wagon. We haven't heard him speak yet. There is no rationale behind his no lynch stance. I want 13 voices.
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Let's lynch CrushIn post 140, Realeo wrote:Crush haven't confirm his PM and his 2 days time is about to up.
Should I seek replacement, the rule for the (still) open mafia chat would be this.
If a mafia half has both member confirmed, then their chat will be locked when I seek replacement.
If Crush happens to be mafia, his chat will only be locked 24 hours after his replacement receive Crush's mafia role PM.
No early PGO claimfellas. We can smoke TWO mafia and TWO nightphases.
Basically the way to 'break' this game is for no one to lurk or sit on their ass. Scumhunt hard or go home.
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I've caught up now. You've been sitting on this "scumread" for 24 hours now. Ready to start playing?In post 55, Creature wrote:Still not telling who it is.
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In post 161, Fireball wrote:In post 154, Assemblerotws wrote:Since you're taking this route, let me remind you of something.Choosing to lynch someone for simply making what you perceive to be an anti-town move is just as anti-town as the L-1 stunt.Unless you don't believe your own logic.Maybe you're just scum trying to get a lynch.But if he's town, lynching him creates the same potential for 4v6 D2 MYLO as his stunt, and I've seen nothing actually scummy from him.
Intent to hammer.
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Fireball starts D2 with the only real town-cred (cannot see it as optimal Fireball-scum-play as he'd likely been shot by the other scum team, why bus then make yourself the #1 night target?). Fuck WIFOM, scum would have been down to two. Fireball can be town for now (but obviously not a 100% clear).
Assemblerotw's awkward jump on CommKnight (to make him the lead D1 wagon) makes me see CommKnight as NOT-scum B.
I predict at least one mafia jumping on Assemblerotw's wagon (after his horrific slip) for a cheap bus.
Still haven't shared notes with Jules.
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Explanation? My early of suspicion of NotTheRealPaul was the way (from my perspective) he was hedging or holding back a scum read on you. He's proposed a logical link via your playstyle in your previous game (where you were scum). If I was in his shoes I would have laid a vote down on you and poked a bit more. Sounds like he's written it off as "personality" though, and concluded with a 'null scum' read.In post 198, osuka wrote:I wanted to ask you to explain this
and point out that meta is shit. this is me pointing out that meta is shit
meta is shit
meta is shit
If NotTheRealPaul flips scum I'll be returning to your slot with added focus (via associations). If NotTheRealPaul flips town, the trail ends there.
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Been busy and not been on much, I'm not fully up to scratch, been glancing back over the pages leading up the lynch.
Overlooking the scum crumb claim.
I'd like pressure to be in and around, or would like a lynch on.
This is a vote that I could see from scum letting go of a partner who has been caught. Also with shitty comments.In post 170, NotTheRealPaul wrote:VOTE: assemble
rest of scum wanna just claim?
we can finish game super quick
Every other vote, doesn't stand out as much as this one.
This post serves nothing to the case, if I didn't know any different, this would tell me he's sarcasticilly telling him to claim PGO.
Another post that serves nothing to the whole case.
Well, that would be fairly hard to do, considering they don't have day chat. So how could you stop him from doing something moronic without actually giving yourself away, if they don't have day chat?In post 210, iiSq5024 wrote:I'm amazed you think I'd let my partner do something so moronic.
VOTE: NTRP
I'd be happy with either right now, I don't believe in all of the WIFOM shit that SQ keeps putting out there.
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Goes without saying. But having pregame to talk about game style decisions, doesn't prevent moronic decisions being made.In post 295, Creature wrote:Remember scum have pregame to talk...
It doesn't stop your partner from going all out and possibly slipping. Assemble chances being, wasn't fully expecting someone to latch onto it almost instantly.
The lack of defence to it, tells you that.
You also can't rule out that pregame talk may have been very little within teams.
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These votes do nothing to support your suspicion / scum case on our slot. If you want people to join our wagon give them something to sheep and chew on. Empty votes do fuck all. We need to engage with you and empty votes do not allow us to interact with you. It took you forever to spit out your scum read. I was hoping for a juicy big Kahuna burger - all I got was limp Big Mac with no fries. Tiresome right now. If this is a reaction test how did you expect town Vincent or scum Vincent to react like?
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Let's talk about your survivalist/sheep vote on iisq.In post 313, NotTheRealPaul wrote:this game is dumb. no one talks
Deeper than your nykus scum feels?
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I have a strong dislike on this vote. Paul has 2 votes on him, sq has 4 votes before this one. I feel like Paul senses there is a chance the wagon on him could develop further so in aid to attempt to keep the pressure on sq he places a survival vote there.
Paul talk to me about this vote because you needed more but few posts later, your voting him.
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Ok... with that passionate meta defense of Paul, osuka and Paul are unlikely mafiaA-mafiaA I've seen desperate scum partners chainsaw defend eachother before but I don't think we're at that stage in the game. I'll accept osuka's aggression and frustration as pride for his town game for now (not AtE).
I'm glad Paul actually challenged osuka and asked why he thinks he's so "obv town" instead of just running with it and accepting his first t/read of the game.
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Why did we quickhammer nykus without him roleclaiming / defending himself / waiting for the lurkers to post (who are all still alive)?
Gonna take apart that wagon later. It obviously had the green light from both scum A/scum B (zero opposition and zero brakes).
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Who the fuck was this?
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The timing of this post was suspicious (Nykus was L-1). Similar to a post I would make as scum near a hammer, knowing it would be a town flip.In post 398, Creature wrote:We could try wagoning a lurker. They'll either have to post content or eat rope.
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Obviously I am not saying ignore the other players.
I have a strong suspicion at least one mafia A was playing the 'let's stay quiet, let's sheep on to a misslynch, let's not try and be town read and stay in the periphery of null' act. 'Wow, scum didn't target me, what a suprise...'
Osuka made himself a town-read/target for scum through his voice and actions. If those three names I noted become power town by the end of D3, things will start to get interesting.
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What is interesting to note is that Mafia A chose not to choose Fireball (who was the universal town read).In post 436, Realeo wrote:nykus is?
Vanilla Town
Did anybody died in Night 2
osuka isVanilla Town.
CommKnight isPGO.
Virtuoso isMafia Goon B.
Why do Mafia A not kill obv-town? They didn't know he was scum or bussed his Mafia teammate...
Suspicion: Fireball didn't suspect any of Mafia A. Nothing better than keeping an influential player alive with bad reads.
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Fireball's votes/suspicions:
In post 321, Fireball wrote:VOTE: NTRP
Don't like his sudden jump on iisq after demanding reasons for the vote.In post 246, Fireball wrote:VOTE: iisq5024
I can go for a iisq5024 lynch. His opening WIFOM/fake hammer was god awful.In post 200, Fireball wrote:Probably one scum in {NTRP/osuka}
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osuka town reading NotTheRealPaul:In post 380, osuka wrote:i agree that sq is very weird and that flubber is null at best butntrp is obvtownIn post 383, osuka wrote:ntrp just plays like he's dumb when in fact he is not, which is dumb. to think otherwise would be dumb
i know i've pointed out that meta is shit but if you're lynching paul for the kind of stupid shit that he did in 312, don't.i saw town!paul do that exact kind of same shit in 1810(which is actually how he got me and other people to push his slot)
Paul was getting beat up my more than half the playerlist (including our slot) but osuka was theIn post 385, osuka wrote:that's a good point buti'm just trying to avoid a mislynch
if it means anything in the way of me not trying to buddy you, this is me telling you in post 385 that even though i'm hard defending you becausei tr you, you can fuck off afterwards if you think i'm scum
i'm just trying to win the game. Even including a passionate meta defense of Paul (even though osuka previously said "meta is shit", that's how strongly he felt about town-Paul) . I think scum-NotTheRealPaul would have kept osuka around for longer.single strong voice to oppose his wagon
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osuka scum-reads/suspicions:In post 287, osuka wrote:Can we just lynch iisq?In post 338, osuka wrote:here's the breakdown of this game so far, for your pretty face's convenience: ntrp is town, i'm town and you're scumIn post 344, osuka wrote:i'd love to get iirq a ticket to the dead thread thoughIn post 350, osuka wrote:i'm okay with iisq and nykus, maybe nugget if someone makes a very convincing case. I'd very much rather lynch iisq thoughIn post 362, osuka wrote:either you're fucking stupid or you're scum pretending to beIn post 380, osuka wrote:i agree that sq is very weird
Paul liked the hydra:
osuka didn't:In post 395, NotTheRealPaul wrote:i like the hydrap
If we're thinking 'mafia A shot osuka because of his reads':In post 396, osuka wrote:I don't
It doesn't look good for iiSq5024.
Flubbernugget and [Jules and Vincent] need to be included into the discussion too.
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Any development of these reads?In post 289, Steel wrote:Through ISOs
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Not scum reading Fitz, he's just one of a few slots I have no real grasp on (and are not t/reading) - this will come with activity. (Can anyone tell me what Snarky is doing/thinking this game..?)
I liked the way you came into the game on D2 (I even called you a town lean in the hydra pt) but that lean has since dissolved after you weren't present over the nykus misslynch (who was your s/read).
The desperate plea to be 'cop checked' today is a derp-fail too.
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VOTE: Snarky
I don't know whether this is his normal game style, because I've played with him before.
But his game play within this game, he's been laying low and out of the limelight. I don't understand his vote, I'm not digging Paul being scum right now, not as much as that gut feeling I had on the previous day. I'd like some pressure to actually get him into the game, so that we can actually gain a read from him, and actually find out why he's voting for Paul.
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Please can you go through this with me in detail.In post 458, iiSq5024 wrote:Snarky/Steel seems unlikely.
RE: the osuka night kill
I'm uncertain whether I agree with this. So you think Mafia A chose to kill Osuka because you think they wanted to push through a reflex-lynch on you the day after? (you were alreadyIn post 475, iiSq5024 wrote:If anything it's an attempt to frame menotbeing town read by the majority).
I don't think I believe this either. Osuka was only one voice, the majority didn't want Paul alive.In post 475, iiSq5024 wrote:So more likely it was just trying to remove opposition to a Paul lynch.
Is Paul a town-read of yours now? (i.e is he very unlikely to be mafia A?).
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Now looking at CommKnight's ISO...
Suspicion on:In post 224, CommKnight wrote:NTRP, Sq and Nykus are the actives I'd be looking at.
While Fitz, Flubber and Snarky are the quiet ones I'd look at.
Votes/scum-reads:In post 239, CommKnight wrote:VOTE: Sq
You know... out of everyone, when Assemble slipped, that post is the most telling of all. He avoided Sq and went straight for me.In post 250, CommKnight wrote:That's one of the main reasons I was on Sq, and then Assemble came on, sheeped Sq and dropped that clue that you immediately cracked.
So Sq is next in line I think. He kinda got done-in by his buddy there.In post 333, CommKnight wrote:VOTE: NTRP - This was gonna be lynched eventually anyway. The plan to out the PGO was super bad.
Also I think Sq and Flubber both need to pick it up a bit. I could swing either way tomorrow.In post 349, CommKnight wrote:Flubber, NTRP, Sq, those are the 3 I'm comfortable lynching today.In post 379, CommKnight wrote:There's definitely scum in Sq, NTRP and Flubber and we will find them.In post 397, CommKnight wrote:Scummy: iiSq5024, nykus, Flubbernugget
Fitz, Steel and Snarky haven't really put their necks on the line for ANYTHING this game.
But for now I will do Sq, Nykus or Flubber.
If CommKnight was killed for his reads...
This looks bad for:
iiSq5024, Flubbernugget
Slight suspicion on:
Steel, SnarkySnowman, havingfitz
CommKnight, like osuka also began to t/read Paul, so this would also be a suprising scum-Paul choice of kill. I always think scum keep alive the townies with all the wrong scum reads and players that are t/reading scum. Thus, this is good news for NotTheRealPaul. After digging up the ISO's of the fallen town, the same names keeping popping up (we can't ignore this).
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Can you tell me why SnarkySnowman is your second strongest town read ("I guess is town")?In post 456, Creature wrote:SnarkySnowman I guess is town
iiSq5024 is town
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SnarkySnowman
havingfitz
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Flubbernugget
Steel
Plus, explain why iiSq5024 "is town"?
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You are correct
I was wondering why no one had looked at Comm's posts yet. However, we can still turn it around and say:Mafia A didn't see Comm as their #1 threat lastnight-
[Which actually goes in iiSq5024 and Flubbernugget's favour.]
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Re: FlubberIn post 519, Creature wrote:Jules and Vincent, what do you think?
Flubber posted a 'not town pile' with Snarky at the bottom (scum read through PoE?) - I don't think anyone can think any of Snarky's 5 or 6 posts are strongly scum alignment indicative or town alignment indicative. [Pre-flip theory: Flubber voted Snarky when Flubber was lead wagon. Thus, there is a possibility that scum-Flubber is capitalising on town's frustration with Snarky's lack of input this game. Snarky then became the lead wagon.]
The problem is Snarky is lynchable (as a policy lynch) but that's his own fault if he's town. I want him replaced well before the deadline. His lack of input has contributed in this game nearly dying.
HOWEVER, I have a dilemma. If we look at the reasons why you are t/reading Snarky and Flubber is s/reading Snarky...
You say Snarky has never played this serious as scum before (I don't see "serious" in his ISO) and Flubber is saying Snarky's ISO lacks aggression and activity (looking at Snarky's ISO I agree). 'Would scum-Snarky play this bad?' I am slowly moving Snarky into a null read in my head.
@Creature - please could you list a few reasons why Flubber is scum.
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To all, if you are town, it's time to town the fuck up. There a few slots Jules and I wouldn't mind lynching. The last few pages have been sluggish. I'll be back after an extensive catch up with Jules (and the replacements offer their thoughts).
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Paul's replace out is interesting - he was just about being t/read by the majority of the vocal players (I.e lynch bait D1-D2, but was now off the menu D3, why not just lurk out abit more and collect the cheap win?).
My read on Paul is strange - I'm not t/leaning his slot because of his actual posts, but via the associations with flipped scum/town and for his 'sorry guys I've been shit and haven't got time' replace out.
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Me lurking? I've been away on holiday this week with limited access but still posted more than the majority of players while the rest of you just replace out or lurk post. Haven't spoken to Jules since the weekend.
Looking at the vote count I'm sure I unvoted when Snarky was at L-1 unless Jules revoted. I don't like easy lynches.
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Have you read the game enough to know whether to lynch 4-5 days before the deadline? Or do you just want to end the day early just because you're not a current wagon?In post 590, Game Replacement wrote:Should I hammer Flubber?Hydra of Kop and Keyser Soze.
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Have you read the game enough to know whether to lynch 4-5 days before the deadline? Or do you just want to end the day early just because you're not a current wagon?In post 590, Game Replacement wrote:Should I hammer Flubber?Hydra of Kop and Keyser Soze.
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Because it's a classic example of not killing people who scum read you. Killing someone who town reads you doesn't draw as much possible attention to you if it was the other way around.In post 569, iiSq5024 wrote:So he suggested a bad claim strategy and had bad reads. Is there a reason a townie couldn't do those things and just be wrong?
And I think that him lurking can't be taken as indicative of alignment given that he replaced out; he actually couldn't handle the game.
Osuka pretty heavily and vocally townread Paul. Why would Paul kill him?
I do understand the points of keeping someone in who town reads you because it helps your survival in the game. But one person can't save your skin if a handful scum read you.
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You shouldn't think your slot won't be lynched by hiding behind bad/anti-town play. Catch up with the game xIn post 593, Game Replacement wrote:
I just want to end the day early because I'm not a current wagon.In post 591, Jules and Vincent wrote:Have you read the game enough to know whether to lynch 4-5 days before the deadline? Or do you just want to end the day early just because you're not a current wagon?
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Did you ever explain further why Flubber?In post 636, SnarkySnowman wrote:I don't feel comfortable with iisq, but I'd like to see flubber flip before I make judgements on that.
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Well I could post a lot of one liners asking silly questions just to make myself look busyIn post 654, Creature wrote:Jules and Vincent is still not doing anything.
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Is that the only time your actually going to be here? Or you just going to go back into the wilderness if it doesn't happen?In post 660, Mary Saotome wrote:I'll be here most of time if a jules wagon starts those are my 2 main sr's so I'm fine with either wagon.
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Fitz, talk to me about your vote on Mary.In post 663, havingfitz wrote:Weekend over. What's up?
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Back from holiday.
Creature is probably town. Using inactivity as a measuring stick for alignment is bad and short-sighted. I couldn't imagine scum-Creature trying to push through another miss-lynch and survive a reflex wagon D5. Conclusion: frustrated and bored townie.
Here you are adding scum-motivation into a non-alignment indicative behaviour. Stop it.In post 545, Creature wrote:
If he was town he would be more invested and probably wouldn't let this game stagnate.In post 537, Jules and Vincent wrote:@Creature - please could you list a few reasons why Flubber is scum.
It sounds like Creature actually thinks he's found scum too (he is constantly whining about activity and pushing it as alignment indicative). I think scum-Creature would surely add something more creative, because that ISO does not look good. Admittedly, the few interactions D4 doesn't help:
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