Open 696: Cosmopolitan [END]

[Jules and Vincent]

VOTE: Havingfitz

OMGUS doesn't agree with me.

- Kop

[Jules and Vincent]

VOTE: Havingfitz

OMGUS doesn't agree with me. And people who OMGUS vote against someone who has voted for them, doesn't sit well either.

- Kop

EBWOP

- Kop

[Jules and Vincent]

VOTE: havingfitz

Shortest day ever?

Of course I knew it wasn't a lynch. I was looking for reactions but the mod ruined it.

A reaction test?

How were you going to discern the shocked

town

reaction from the bewildered

scum

reaction? Kinda shite reaction test if you ask me. You voted literally seconds after Creature's fake L-1... were you really that attentive to the Accelerated start Vote Count at that point?

Also I completely misread this set-up.

Me too

confscum: iisq
null: everyone else
townlean: me

osuka has been going down the hard fluff-posting route from the very beginning. I'm interested to see if he's actually gained anything from them... is this supposed to be your osuka-obv town persona? Don't know your meta, but your tone so far feels like a strained imitation so far.

im not sure wherher to take this srsly.

and ya isq i no believe either

I'm not sure whether to take

this

post seriously!
Second line feels sheepish, why no vote on iiSq5024?

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

Sorry about the walls - I don't want to multi-post, and I'm still a couple pages behind.

yeah so actually if anything 17 just made the whole thing more sus imo
all of what you've done so far is cloaked in wifom and i dislike you for town

osuka's best post so far (i.e I agree with it).

like on a scale going from 1 to confscum, you're the lynch today

This would be a ballsy thing to say as scum to town (but not to his scum partner).

Here it is.
VOTE: CommKnight
Osuka might just be misunderstanding but 23 sounded like he knew exactly what he was doing. And 34 sounds like he's acknowledging that I didn't intend to hammer and searching for another reason to call me scum.

Interesting theory. Problem is I can empathasize with him calling your actions a "very anti-town thing to do"

Already got a scumread.

However, as always, not gonna tell who rn.

This cock-tease foreplay excites me. You better supply the goods later though, otherwise you'll have to progress from your standoff-ish stance.

Since you're either at least slightly dense, or pretending to be so, I'll break the order of events down for you:

Nice shade. [I.e Have you ever seen scum be so cutting with 'town'?]

ps i think ur taking this wifom thing too far. pretty sure quickest day ever was just a joke.

Smells like 'scum' trying to calm down 'town'.

I'm not really voting Creature (his lie is nai to me) but I'm not sure where I want to vote and unvoting isn't an option. So I'll vote Snarky who has none.

VOTE: Snarky

Why the director's commentary?

Osukas scum leaning himself and self depricating could be lowkey signalling to the other half of his team that he is in fact scum too

Wow - this just reminded me of the set-up. Scum will be dropping hints through-out the game.

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

i was scum

and it does seem like ur reacting as strongly as our last game so ur still reactibg strongly. might just be a personality/playstyle thing but idk u well enough to judge

Hmm... is osuka is living up to his scum-meta then?

its not ur walls. everytime u got SRed that game u reacted strongly and it feels like how i reacted just now to some votes.

Ur like nullscum rn.

Feel like he should be more than 'nullscum' right now...

VOTE: No Lynch

I'm sort of tossing between osuka and iisq.

VOTE: steel

No lynching only benefits scum. Therefore you are scum

How are you reading iiSq5024 and osuka now?

PGO should claim

No. Worst strat ever right now. Keep scum clueless. I want to see scum

try

and lynch them too.

Pretty much caught up now, but haven't spoken to Jules Winnfield yet.

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

SnarkySnowman, talk to me about Commknight ("Commknight is overblown")


I have no problem with the Steel wagon. We haven't heard him speak yet. There is no rationale behind his no lynch stance. I want 13 voices.

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

@Realeo

If both mafia teams target the PGO on the same night, do TWO mafia goons die along with the PGO?

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

Crush haven't confirm his PM and his 2 days time is about to up.

Should I seek replacement, the rule for the (still) open mafia chat would be this.

If a mafia half has both member confirmed, then their chat will be locked when I seek replacement.

If Crush happens to be mafia, his chat will only be locked 24 hours after his replacement receive Crush's mafia role PM.

Let's lynch Crush

Yes. That would also mean two consecutive night skips

No early PGO claim

fellas. We can smoke TWO mafia and TWO nightphases.

Basically the way to 'break' this game is for no one to lurk or sit on their ass. Scumhunt hard or go home.

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

Already got a scumread.

However, as always, not gonna tell who rn.

Still not telling who it is.

I've caught up now. You've been sitting on this "scumread" for 24 hours now. Ready to start playing?

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

"(or was)" - nah, if this is the case.

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

S

ince you're taking this route, let me remind you of something.

C

hoosing to lynch someone for simply making what you perceive to be an anti-town move is just as anti-town as the L-1 stunt.

U

nless you don't believe your own logic.

M

aybe you're just scum trying to get a lynch.

B

ut if he's town, lynching him creates the same potential for 4v6 D2 MYLO as his stunt, and I've seen nothing actually scummy from him.

Intent to hammer.

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

Assemblerowts is

Mafia Goon B

Night 1 is skipped.

Fireball starts D2 with the only real town-cred (cannot see it as optimal Fireball-scum-play as he'd likely been shot by the other scum team, why bus then make yourself the #1 night target?). Fuck WIFOM, scum would have been down to two. Fireball can be town for now (but obviously not a 100% clear).

Assemblerotw's awkward jump on CommKnight (to make him the lead D1 wagon) makes me see CommKnight as NOT-scum B.

I predict at least one mafia jumping on Assemblerotw's wagon (after his horrific slip) for a cheap bus.

Still haven't shared notes with Jules.

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

I wanted to ask you to explain this

and point out that meta is shit. this is me pointing out that meta is shit
meta is shit
meta is shit

Explanation? My early of suspicion of NotTheRealPaul was the way (from my perspective) he was hedging or holding back a scum read on you. He's proposed a logical link via your playstyle in your previous game (where you were scum). If I was in his shoes I would have laid a vote down on you and poked a bit more. Sounds like he's written it off as "personality" though, and concluded with a 'null scum' read.

If NotTheRealPaul flips scum I'll be returning to your slot with added focus (via associations). If NotTheRealPaul flips town, the trail ends there.

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

Been busy and not been on much, I'm not fully up to scratch, been glancing back over the pages leading up the lynch.

Overlooking the scum crumb claim.

I'd like pressure to be in and around, or would like a lynch on.

VOTE: assemble

rest of scum wanna just claim?
we can finish game super quick

This is a vote that I could see from scum letting go of a partner who has been caught. Also with shitty comments.

Every other vote, doesn't stand out as much as this one.

Inb4 Assemble claims PGO

I will legitimately lol

This post serves nothing to the case, if I didn't know any different, this would tell me he's sarcasticilly telling him to claim PGO.

PGO claim is scumclaim, nobody CC please
My vote is never moving.

Another post that serves nothing to the whole case.

I'm amazed you think I'd let my partner do something so moronic.

Well, that would be fairly hard to do, considering they don't have day chat. So how could you stop him from doing something moronic without actually giving yourself away, if they don't have day chat?

VOTE: NTRP

I'd be happy with either right now, I don't believe in all of the WIFOM shit that SQ keeps putting out there.

- Jules

[Jules and Vincent]

@SnarkySnowman - are you finding this game tough / the player list frustrating?

Your interactions so far are limited / not open / not explicit enough for my liking. Or is this playstyle?

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

Remember scum have pregame to talk...

Goes without saying. But having pregame to talk about game style decisions, doesn't prevent moronic decisions being made.

It doesn't stop your partner from going all out and possibly slipping. Assemble chances being, wasn't fully expecting someone to latch onto it almost instantly.

The lack of defence to it, tells you that.

You also can't rule out that pregame talk may have been very little within teams.

- Jules

[Jules and Vincent]

VOTE: Jules

VOTE: Jules

VOTE: Jules

These votes do nothing to support your suspicion / scum case on our slot. If you want people to join our wagon give them something to sheep and chew on. Empty votes do fuck all. We need to engage with you and empty votes do not allow us to interact with you. It took you forever to spit out your scum read. I was hoping for a juicy big Kahuna burger - all I got was limp Big Mac with no fries. Tiresome right now. If this is a reaction test how did you expect town Vincent or scum Vincent to react like?

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

Snarky can also join my scum pile too.

- Jules

[Jules and Vincent]

this game is dumb. no one talks

Let's talk about your survivalist/sheep vote on iisq.

Deeper than your nykus scum feels?

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

Osuka, during RVS why were you calling yourself scum, talking about Foo Fighters and why they only have one or two good songs...

You called iisq and Paul confirmed scum - latest thoughts on Paul?

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

fuxk it

VOTE: iisq

I have a strong dislike on this vote. Paul has 2 votes on him, sq has 4 votes before this one. I feel like Paul senses there is a chance the wagon on him could develop further so in aid to attempt to keep the pressure on sq he places a survival vote there.

Paul talk to me about this vote because you needed more but few posts later, your voting him.

- Jules

[Jules and Vincent]

Ok... with that passionate meta defense of Paul, osuka and Paul are unlikely mafiaA-mafiaA I've seen desperate scum partners chainsaw defend eachother before but I don't think we're at that stage in the game. I'll accept osuka's aggression and frustration as pride for his town game for now (not AtE).

I'm glad Paul actually challenged osuka and asked why he thinks he's so "obv town" instead of just running with it and accepting his first t/read of the game.

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

2 x Mafia A left.

What were Mafia B thinking? The funniest gambit FAIL I've ever seen.

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

Why did we quickhammer nykus without him roleclaiming / defending himself / waiting for the lurkers to post (who are all still alive)?

Gonna take apart that wagon later. It obviously had the green light from both scum A/scum B (zero opposition and zero brakes).

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

Quick clarification: Mafia is unable to self-kill.

Who the fuck was this?

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

We could try wagoning a lurker. They'll either have to post content or eat rope.

The timing of this post was suspicious (Nykus was L-1). Similar to a post I would make as scum near a hammer, knowing it would be a town flip.

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

No hammer til everyone sorts fitz, Snarky and Flubber.

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

Obviously I am not saying ignore the other players.

I have a strong suspicion at least one mafia A was playing the 'let's stay quiet, let's sheep on to a misslynch, let's not try and be town read and stay in the periphery of null' act. 'Wow, scum didn't target me, what a suprise...'

Osuka made himself a town-read/target for scum through his voice and actions. If those three names I noted become power town by the end of D3, things will start to get interesting.

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

nykus is?

Vanilla Town

Did anybody died in Night 2
osuka is

Vanilla Town

.
CommKnight is

PGO

.
Virtuoso is

Mafia Goon B

.

What is interesting to note is that Mafia A chose not to choose Fireball (who was the universal town read).

Why do Mafia A not kill obv-town? They didn't know he was scum or bussed his Mafia teammate...

Suspicion: Fireball didn't suspect any of Mafia A. Nothing better than keeping an influential player alive with bad reads.

Thoughts?

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

Fireball's votes/suspicions:

VOTE: NTRP

Don't like his sudden jump on iisq after demanding reasons for the vote.

VOTE: iisq5024

I can go for a iisq5024 lynch. His opening WIFOM/fake hammer was god awful.

Probably one scum in {NTRP/osuka}

Thanks for making this game so much easier! I hereby declare myself town leader.

VOTE: Havingfitz

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

Yes, will ISO Osuka later.

"Avoid the same kill" - you may be right there.

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

osuka town reading NotTheRealPaul:

i agree that sq is very weird and that flubber is null at best but

ntrp is obvtown

ntrp just plays like he's dumb when in fact he is not, which is dumb. to think otherwise would be dumb

i know i've pointed out that meta is shit but if you're lynching paul for the kind of stupid shit that he did in 312, don't.

i saw town!paul do that exact kind of same shit in 1810

(which is actually how he got me and other people to push his slot)

that's a good point but

i'm just trying to avoid a mislynch

if it means anything in the way of me not trying to buddy you, this is me telling you in post 385 that even though i'm hard defending you because

i tr you

, you can fuck off afterwards if you think i'm scum
i'm just trying to win the game

Paul was getting beat up my more than half the playerlist (including our slot) but osuka was the

single strong voice to oppose his wagon

. Even including a passionate meta defense of Paul (even though osuka previously said "meta is shit", that's how strongly he felt about town-Paul) . I think scum-NotTheRealPaul would have kept osuka around for longer.

Thoughts?

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

osuka scum-reads/suspicions:

VOTE: iisq

Can we just lynch iisq?

here's the breakdown of this game so far, for your pretty face's convenience: ntrp is town, i'm town and you're scum

i'd love to get iirq a ticket to the dead thread though

i'm okay with iisq and nykus, maybe nugget if someone makes a very convincing case. I'd very much rather lynch iisq though

either you're fucking stupid or you're scum pretending to be

i agree that sq is very weird

Paul liked the hydra:

i like the hydrap

osuka didn't:

I don't

If we're thinking 'mafia A shot osuka because of his reads':

It doesn't look good for iiSq5024.
Flubbernugget and [Jules and Vincent] need to be included into the discussion too.

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

Through ISOs

fringe town

paul
osuka

null/mixed

flubber
lisq

scumish

snarky
nykus

Any development of these reads?

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

Not scum reading Fitz, he's just one of a few slots I have no real grasp on (and are not t/reading) - this will come with activity. (Can anyone tell me what Snarky is doing/thinking this game..?)

I liked the way you came into the game on D2 (I even called you a town lean in the hydra pt) but that lean has since dissolved after you weren't present over the nykus misslynch (who was your s/read).

The desperate plea to be 'cop checked' today is a derp-fail too.

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

VOTE: Snarky

I don't know whether this is his normal game style, because I've played with him before.

But his game play within this game, he's been laying low and out of the limelight. I don't understand his vote, I'm not digging Paul being scum right now, not as much as that gut feeling I had on the previous day. I'd like some pressure to actually get him into the game, so that we can actually gain a read from him, and actually find out why he's voting for Paul.

- Jules

[Jules and Vincent]

Snarky/Steel seems unlikely.

Please can you go through this with me in detail.

RE: the osuka night kill

If anything it's an attempt to frame me

I'm uncertain whether I agree with this. So you think Mafia A chose to kill Osuka because you think they wanted to push through a reflex-lynch on you the day after? (you were already

not

being town read by the majority).

So more likely it was just trying to remove opposition to a Paul lynch.

I don't think I believe this either. Osuka was only one voice, the majority didn't want Paul alive.
Is Paul a town-read of yours now? (i.e is he very unlikely to be mafia A?).

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

Now looking at CommKnight's ISO...

Suspicion on:

NTRP, Sq and Nykus are the actives I'd be looking at.

While Fitz, Flubber and Snarky are the quiet ones I'd look at.

Votes/scum-reads:

VOTE: Sq

You know... out of everyone, when Assemble slipped, that post is the most telling of all. He avoided Sq and went straight for me.

That's one of the main reasons I was on Sq, and then Assemble came on, sheeped Sq and dropped that clue that you immediately cracked.

So Sq is next in line I think. He kinda got done-in by his buddy there.

VOTE: NTRP - This was gonna be lynched eventually anyway. The plan to out the PGO was super bad.

Also I think Sq and Flubber both need to pick it up a bit. I could swing either way tomorrow.

Flubber, NTRP, Sq, those are the 3 I'm comfortable lynching today.

There's definitely scum in Sq, NTRP and Flubber and we will find them.

Scummy: iiSq5024, nykus, Flubbernugget

Fitz, Steel and Snarky haven't really put their necks on the line for ANYTHING this game.

But for now I will do Sq, Nykus or Flubber.

If CommKnight was killed for his reads...

This looks bad for:

iiSq5024, Flubbernugget

Slight suspicion on:

Steel, SnarkySnowman, havingfitz


CommKnight, like osuka also began to t/read Paul, so this would also be a suprising scum-Paul choice of kill. I always think scum keep alive the townies with all the wrong scum reads and players that are t/reading scum. Thus, this is good news for NotTheRealPaul. After digging up the ISO's of the fallen town, the same names keeping popping up (we can't ignore this).

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

SnarkySnowman I guess is town

iiSq5024 is town

---

iiSq5024
SnarkySnowman
havingfitz
Jules and Vincent
NotTheRealPaul
Flubbernugget
Steel

Can you tell me why SnarkySnowman is your second strongest town read ("I guess is town")?

Plus, explain why iiSq5024 "is town"?

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

You are correct

I was wondering why no one had looked at Comm's posts yet. However, we can still turn it around and say:

Mafia A didn't see Comm as their #1 threat lastnight-

[Which actually goes in iiSq5024 and Flubbernugget's favour.]

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

And what about Snarky?

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

Where is everybody?

If this is serious-obv-town-SnarkySnowman I need to hear your voice, otherwise you are a good lynch if not today, then tomorrow.

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

UNVOTE:

Not lynching Snarky until he's made some game related posts with content and explained his reads. (Assume our pressure is still there).

[Jules and Vincent]

UNVOTE:

Not lynching Snarky until he's made some game related posts with content and explained his reads. (Assume our pressure is still there).

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

Jules and Vincent, what do you think?

Re: Flubber

Flubber posted a 'not town pile' with Snarky at the bottom (scum read through PoE?) - I don't think anyone can think any of Snarky's 5 or 6 posts are strongly scum alignment indicative or town alignment indicative. [Pre-flip theory: Flubber voted Snarky when Flubber was lead wagon. Thus, there is a possibility that scum-Flubber is capitalising on town's frustration with Snarky's lack of input this game. Snarky then became the lead wagon.]

The problem is Snarky is lynchable (as a policy lynch) but that's his own fault if he's town. I want him replaced well before the deadline. His lack of input has contributed in this game nearly dying.




HOWEVER, I have a dilemma. If we look at the reasons why you are t/reading Snarky and Flubber is s/reading Snarky...
You say Snarky has never played this serious as scum before (I don't see "serious" in his ISO) and Flubber is saying Snarky's ISO lacks aggression and activity (looking at Snarky's ISO I agree). 'Would scum-Snarky play this bad?' I am slowly moving Snarky into a null read in my head.

@Creature - please could you list a few reasons why Flubber is scum.

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

To all, if you are town, it's time to town the fuck up. There a few slots Jules and I wouldn't mind lynching. The last few pages have been sluggish. I'll be back after an extensive catch up with Jules (and the replacements offer their thoughts).

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

fuck
/out i dont have time for this game

saaaaaawry

Paul's replace out is interesting - he was just about being t/read by the majority of the vocal players (I.e lynch bait D1-D2, but was now off the menu D3, why not just lurk out abit more and collect the cheap win?).

My read on Paul is strange - I'm not t/leaning his slot because of his actual posts, but via the associations with flipped scum/town and for his 'sorry guys I've been shit and haven't got time' replace out.

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

Sorry I haven't been active, I have been on holiday from Thursday till Sunday and been busy with work today. I intend to be active tomorrow.

- Jules

[Jules and Vincent]

Me lurking? I've been away on holiday this week with limited access but still posted more than the majority of players while the rest of you just replace out or lurk post. Haven't spoken to Jules since the weekend.

Looking at the vote count I'm sure I unvoted when Snarky was at L-1 unless Jules revoted. I don't like easy lynches.

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

Should I hammer Flubber?

Have you read the game enough to know whether to lynch 4-5 days before the deadline? Or do you just want to end the day early just because you're not a current wagon?

[Jules and Vincent]

Should I hammer Flubber?

Have you read the game enough to know whether to lynch 4-5 days before the deadline? Or do you just want to end the day early just because you're not a current wagon?

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

So he suggested a bad claim strategy and had bad reads. Is there a reason a townie couldn't do those things and just be wrong?

And I think that him lurking can't be taken as indicative of alignment given that he replaced out; he actually couldn't handle the game.

Osuka pretty heavily and vocally townread Paul. Why would Paul kill him?

Because it's a classic example of not killing people who scum read you. Killing someone who town reads you doesn't draw as much possible attention to you if it was the other way around.

I do understand the points of keeping someone in who town reads you because it helps your survival in the game. But one person can't save your skin if a handful scum read you.

- Jules

[Jules and Vincent]

Have you read the game enough to know whether to lynch 4-5 days before the deadline? Or do you just want to end the day early just because you're not a current wagon?

I just want to end the day early because I'm not a current wagon.

You shouldn't think your slot won't be lynched by hiding behind bad/anti-town play. Catch up with the game x

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

I don't feel comfortable with iisq, but I'd like to see flubber flip before I make judgements on that.

Did you ever explain further why Flubber?

- Jules

[Jules and Vincent]

Realeo, we unvoted Snarky.

- Jules

[Jules and Vincent]

Jules and Vincent is still not doing anything.

Well I could post a lot of one liners asking silly questions just to make myself look busy

- Jules

[Jules and Vincent]

I'll be here most of time if a jules wagon starts those are my 2 main sr's so I'm fine with either wagon.

Is that the only time your actually going to be here? Or you just going to go back into the wilderness if it doesn't happen?

- Jules

[Jules and Vincent]

Weekend over. What's up?

Fitz, talk to me about your vote on Mary.

- Jules

[Jules and Vincent]

Back from holiday.

Creature is probably town. Using inactivity as a measuring stick for alignment is bad and short-sighted. I couldn't imagine scum-Creature trying to push through another miss-lynch and survive a reflex wagon D5. Conclusion: frustrated and bored townie.

@Creature - please could you list a few reasons why Flubber is scum.

If he was town he would be more invested and probably wouldn't let this game stagnate.

Here you are adding scum-motivation into a non-alignment indicative behaviour. Stop it.

It sounds like Creature actually thinks he's found scum too (he is constantly whining about activity and pushing it as alignment indicative). I think scum-Creature would surely add something more creative, because that ISO does not look good. Admittedly, the few interactions D4 doesn't help:

Spoiler:

Replacing a lurker with another lurker.

Bunch of players to get prodded.

I expected atleast Keyser Soze to be trying to solve this game if J&V were town.

(if you don't want to be lynched, maybe we could try Jules and Vincent whose heads both disappeared)

Snarky is doing something, isn't that enough to townread him?

Jules and Vincent is still not doing anything.

It's just that this went pretty inactive.

Jules and Vincent better start doing things otherwise we're lynching them today.

Analysis is something any scum does.

Fakes analysis, grabs town cred, lurk the rest of the game.

So far Jules and Vincent seems to be the most likely scum blending in.

While I am the only one doing something, I get to make the calls.

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

VOTE: Mary Saotome

- Jules

[Jules and Vincent]

7 votesnykus voted by iisq5024, Steel, Flubbernugget,

osuka

, NotTheRealPaul,

CommKnight

,

Virtuoso

Knowing my slot is town that makes the late votes besides Virtuoso given we have 2 goons left I doubt both goons would hope on the same wagon as the first few votes (of course this could be false but this is just spec)
(Creature havingfitz Jules and Vincent SnarkySnowman)
(Steel iiSq5024 Flubbernugget)

At first glance 1 scum in each of these I'm gonna read today now

These reads have obviously changed, but I don't know his mindset as to why they have changed. It feels he is changing his reads around to suit what everybody is thinking.

I mean if I'm reading that list in the correct order top line is town reads, bottom one is scum.

He hasn't really answered or made any effort to sort out those 3 scum reads, or even attempt to talk to those 3. I mean, even his vote on Flubber who flipped town, offered nothing to really appeal to Flubber to answer too.

VOTE: Flubber

After glancing through his iso and given the vote counts I'm pretty happy with my vote here, Can we get some prods on the lurkers or?

Not even any questions, nothing other than being on the wagon. Why did you specifically vote for Flubber, what made you happy to put your vote there? Was it because he was suspected by others, or other people were starting to vote for him?

I'll be here most of time if a jules wagon starts those are my 2 main sr's so I'm fine with either wagon.

Now we have the total 180 on his reads from a earlier post. Again, no explanation, Creature mentions that he would like a wagon on my slot, Mary is happy to oblige. But no explanation as to why, or any attempt to engage. The thing that rings a bell, is the fact that he'd only be here is if a wagon starts on me, or stick with his original vote. Still no attempt to engage.

Hm didn't expect flubber to flip town with an Iso like that also forgot night gets skipped so that's great for us I don't have any confident scumreads so I'll do some reading would like some reason behind that vote by fliz given all he has said is "My slot was on 2 ml's"

This is like congratulating a doctor for his save, or a night phase that has been good for town. Often used most from scum.

So yeah, it's either Mary or Game replacement for me. Both have offered nothing that isn't screaming town for me.

The only person I don't have a real read on is Snarky.

- Jules

[Jules and Vincent]

Sorry Mary is a she, replace he, his, him with she.

- Jules

[Jules and Vincent]

553 wasn't a readlist, it was separating the players into groups based on who was on and off the wagon.

And the congratulating the doctor tell is very weak.

It's weak and not a concrete point to why I think that slot may be scum. I merely stated I've often seen it and it's majority of the time been from scum.

So it's not a read list, so how is it sorted, is top her town thoughts bottom three being scum? That's how I'm seeing it as.

iiSQ....where are you at wrt JV and Snarky?

And Mary?

Mary is town, I've been very vocal about that read I thought.

Snarky is I really don't know. From what people are saying they always play like this and the main thing in their play to dislike (besides lurking) is the Paul/Mary push which has been way less well supported than yours (I still think yours is wrong, but at least you HAVE reasons).

I hate to be so wishy washy but with J&V too it really depends on how they play today. They had very solid posts earlier but then just dropped off the face of the earth and I haven't loved anything they've said since they came back.

Why do you think Mary is town?

Also I'm a goon now yay.

I've seen House do this in a game I participated in. I wanted him lynched for that, but people were telling me it was a joke and not to be taken seriously, at the end of the game, he was indeed scum.

How do I take stupid comments like this?

- Jules

[Jules and Vincent]

A variety of reasons, most of which I've explained. Paul had a lot of natural and unforced thoughts day 1, and I thought scum were trying to lynch him D1 and now they've kept the slot as a possible mislynch later. I don't think he kills osuka who was defending him so heavily and I think that the main reasons the slot is being scumread are very shallow and don't really show scum motivation (making promises but not delivering, the PGO claim idea, etc). And Mary's been fine so far.

And the goon thing was a reference to my title... I made my 100th post and so my title changed.

The goon reference, fair enough. I was just being paranoid.

UNVOTE: Mary[/vote]

VOTE: Game Replacement

I think I'll go with my second option, and put Mary to one side for now. Think I totally forgot that Mary had replaced Paul, and I think I remember seeing a few things that I don't think made me think scum.

@Snarky, have you seriously got anything to offer to this game?

- Jules

[Jules and Vincent]

A variety of reasons, most of which I've explained. Paul had a lot of natural and unforced thoughts day 1, and I thought scum were trying to lynch him D1 and now they've kept the slot as a possible mislynch later. I don't think he kills osuka who was defending him so heavily and I think that the main reasons the slot is being scumread are very shallow and don't really show scum motivation (making promises but not delivering, the PGO claim idea, etc). And Mary's been fine so far.

And the goon thing was a reference to my title... I made my 100th post and so my title changed.

The goon reference, fair enough. I was just being paranoid.

UNVOTE: Mary

VOTE: Game Replacement

I think I'll go with my second option, and put Mary to one side for now. Think I totally forgot that Mary had replaced Paul, and I think I remember seeing a few things that I don't think made me think scum.

@Snarky, have you seriously got anything to offer to this game?

- Jules

Edit unvote tags.

- Jules

[Jules and Vincent]

More on iiSq

Why? Explain your read on him please

- Jules

[Jules and Vincent]

I'm voting scum.
Remember when I said Flubber is town and you didn't want to buy it?

And you think you can lynch me today?
I've given you a chance to prove yourself as town, and you fucked it up.

So why did you hammer him? You don't hammer who you believe is town, and don't feed me the we needed the lynch bullshit.

- Jules

[Jules and Vincent]

Still feel Snarky is town.

Why do you feel he is town? I don't have any sort of read of him, because he hasn't actively been in the thread enough for me to get a feel for him.

- Jules

[Jules and Vincent]

It actually takes 4 votes to lynch, doesn't it?

It takes 5 to lynch.

- Jules

[Jules and Vincent]

I don't think Isq is scum, I don't think Creature is scum.

Scum is within replacement, mary and Snarky, with a outside shot of Fitz.

- Jules

[Jules and Vincent]

I thought there were only 7 players alive.

There's a vote count a bit further up the page that says it takes 5 to lynch. Not hard to not see that, tbh.

- Jules

[Jules and Vincent]

@Realeo - VC please.

Will solve the game in the next 5 days.

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

@Realeo - VC please.

Will solve the game in the next 5 days.

- Vincent Vega

Sorry, as per earlier post, full catchup (from Page 1-34) promised for before the 6th.

I'm still VLA (Vincent Vega head).

[Jules and Vincent]

Complete re-read (I intend to have read the whole game in 2-3 days).

Pages 1-5

iiSq5024 defending himself to osuka - just enough righteous indignation to like iiSq5024 here. If scum-iiSq5024 thought it was so petty/futile/stupid I don't think he'd got so emotional.

Very meh on iiSq's RVS L-1 reaction test - in the end null on it.

Paul defending iiSq5024.

iiSq5024 wants to move on from arguing over words with osuka, looks like he knows it's going nowhere in helping him solve the game/sort osuka. Positive/pro-town action by iiSq.

Paul pokes osuka with a meta-fuelled scum-read - but only goes as far as "nullscum" - it's a tentative interaction which I didn't like at first.

Paul suggests for the PGO to role-claim (do I file this in the too-anti-town-to-be-scum category?) Paul even adds his roleclaim strategy!

Also nykus do you mean that Paul is scum for defending me because I'm his partner, or because he wants to buddy up to a townie?

I don't think scum-iiSq asks this about his scum-partner (Paul) - maybe just hide the associations under the carpet instead of re-highlighting them.

No thoughts on havingfitz or SnarkySnowman yet.

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

tl:dr;

I think the two strongest possibilities for scum teams out of this VCA are iiSq and J&V AND Snarky and J&V.

iiSq +

J&V

=

STRONG

J&V

+ Snarky =

STRONG

in favor of a J&V lynch as they are strong partners with both iiSq AND Snarky.

"in favor of a J&V lynch"

NO.

Instead of using VCA to consolidate on the popular miss-lynch, go back to your individual scum-reads you have been pushing all game.

FYI: VCA is weakened because of

multi-scum

. Town-points are too easily given out like candy.


- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

everyone seems to agree on JV scum at LYLO.

Do not fear, it's up to Jules and I to solve the game before the deadline as it's game over right now. Hopefully our catchup can dismantle the misslynch scum have been happy to sit on all of D5 so far and refocus the attention on the two mafia (supported by alignment indicative reasons).

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

I'm growing to like a Snarky/Fitz scum team at this point in time, but I need to give the entire game a good read when I get a spare few hours where I can go through it with Vincent.

- Jules

[Jules and Vincent]

I'm growing to like a Snarky/Fitz scum team at this point in time, but I need to give the entire game a good read when I get a spare few hours where I can go through it with Vincent.

- Jules

I don't have the scum-team confirmed yet, only two scum-leans (opportunism from two players on Day 5 fuels my suspicion of them, but I'm going back to the start and resetting my reads). That is the only way to approach LYLO.

Pages 6 - 10

havingfitz is fixated/suspicious on Paul's unvote/vote - let's see if this goes anywhere. Paul just shrugs and says "pressure is pressure". Wet/feeble interactions that are undeniably eye-brow raising.

I want Assemble to claim in his next post.

Why are you fixated on Assemble fake-claiming PGO? Anti-town as shit as Assemble had already scum-claimed

.

Paul expresses his shock at being town-read by osuka. Do cheeky scum do that these days? Better to just accept the t/read and go with the flow.

SnarkySnowman was non-existent D1. Wtf has his pro-town contribution been?

[Jules and Vincent]

JV being opportunistic..

You've been calling our slot town all game for no tangible reason from what I can remember... But are we scum now? Go through the full development of your read on us instead of playing on the periphery.

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

If you felt it was for no tangible reason why didn't you ask about it then (and instead asked about it only now, now that Snarky is scumreading you again)?

"why didn't you ask about it then"?

Snarky's contribution has been without substance. A playstyle that is hard to lynch, thus good as both alignment. The best defense. I did not expect then, and I do not expect now for SnarkySnowman to suddenly become the white knight and power town us to victory. His vote and opening D5 post was insane:

"I 100% have to sheep creature now"

Why is (experienced)Snarky playing this way in September 2017? I said I wanted his slot replaced, and now we find ourselves at LYLO pleading for our lives to Mr.Absent, Mr.Anti-town, Mr.VCA and Mr.osuka-was-the-only-one-town-reading-me-so-why-would-I-kill-osuka?


Catching up more now.

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

Pages 11-15

Snarky still want's Paul's blood. Not supported by reasons or a scum-case, just strong isolated redirection of focus.

Creature is sitting on his suspicions/scum reads. iiSq comes in with this slimy post:

I'll take it that I'm not one of them then?

[I'll add this to the too-slimy-to-be-scum pile. IMO, although scum are very conscious if other players are s/reading them, they don't broadcast that in the open.]

fitz finally gets his vote on Paul.

iisq shares his reads. 3 of his strongest scum reads have all flipped town (except for Snarky, his other "nullscum" read) - surely ScumAiisq puts his teammate as one of his bottom three scum reads? (the rule of three. Is there a rule of four? )

osuka's and iiSq's little argument looks like TvT on the surface. Shots are fired.

Good end conclusion by iiSq on osuka:

Honestly I should just stop responding to your posts though because all it's doing is getting me pissed and you're clearly not going to allow me to interact meaningfully with you.

I didn't like Paul's "*shrug*" "idk whats happening tbh" post. I've seen scum try and play dumb/oblivious before. This smells a shade or two similar.

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

Pages 16 - 20

...but then Paul's posts sound sincere (i.e pissed off townie who's quite frankly given up)

osuka explains his t/read of Paul. The timing of Paul's subsequent 'town paranoia' is perfect:

no im not complaining but sure as hell looks like ur tryna buddy me

what about me seems obvtown?

like where are u seeing obvtown because about half the game disagrees with u

Fitz and Snarkyboy still haven't shown their cards. (Did someone say passengers...?) Commknight notices this too.

[Jules and Vincent]

Pages 21-28

I dismantle the Snarky lynch (who was at L-1). I should have let him sit on that pressure for a bit longer.

This is a splendid post by Steel:

Reason I think snarky might be scum is he seems like he's trying to describe or broadcast reads and their strengths instead of having them and explaining them. Not sure if I can explain.

Maybe you can talk to me about Paul then. Why is that slot scum?

Well...I thought the pgo claim idea was terrible and only beneficial to scum. In no way could that suggestion have been pro-town.

Can't town be not pro-town too? You cannot be saying: "PAUL MUST DIE" and "MARY MUST DIE" constantly based on those non-alignment indicative reasons.

Another ill-timed consolidation on a miss-lynch:

Just based on everyone's thoughts on flubber I'd like this lynch

VOTE: flub

But then gets reminded of his s/read of Paul and then chooses not to return on Flubber. Looking back, I have a gut feeling I dismantled the counterwagon to miss-lynch Flubber (Snarky).

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

Page 29

I don't know how FITZ gets from here:

Snarky could be scum...

J&V and Snarky could be scum together

To here:

havingfitz
Creature
iiSQ
Snarky
J&V
Game
Mary

VOTE: Mary Saotome

Do I really believe you'd let me and Snarky go without putting your vote there...

It looks like you've drawn a circle around me and Snarky for later. While you keep pushing a wagon that will never gain any wheels:
FITZ SAID:

"Mary/iiSQ/Game are all on the Flubber and nykus mislynches. 1-2 of these players are scum."

Are you really going to be pushing that over your Snarky-J&V scum theory?

Mary can die

.

^^^
Again, let me quote Steel's post:

Reason I think snarky might be scum is he seems like he's trying to describe or broadcast reads and their strengths instead of having them and explaining them. Not sure if I can explain.

Even Mary (now Paul's replacement) picks up on this needless hyperbole from Snarky's empty scum reads / threats:

If you felt that strongly I feel like you should've tried to get me lyched the day before.

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

Pages 30 - 33

Mary needs to die. iisq should die. game replacement is 3rd on my shit list.

Snarky posts this but well knows none of this will happen through these empty words.

iiSq gets into another fucking TvT bloodbath, this time with Game Replacement.

Creature's reads were bad.

...and who comes in to save the day?

That was quick.

I'm annoyed Mary isn't getting more suspicion.
I like Game for option B. Plus his wagon is all my townreads iirc.

I'd ask for last words but there's nothing to claim and he's been trolling a bit imo. No reasoning provided....just baseless pushes.

Who the fcuk cares in 5 words or less?

1. Not. 2. I.

VOTE: Game Replacement

"I'm annoyed Mary isn't getting more suspicion."

- you're sounding just like SnarkySnowman now

Mary this, Mary that, Mary this, Mary that, Mary this, Mary that, Mary this, Mary that, but now here's another wagon, let's vote there instead...

[Let's file this under scummy opportunism. Ergo, go with the misslynch town are pushing].

VOTE: jules

I 100% have to sheep creature now

VOTE: jules

I 100% have to sheep creature now

What if Creature was wrong?

What is your take on Mary?

Mary eh?

NTRP was a scumfuck.

Again, STRONG words but no STRONG reasons to back it up. Zero correlation. Zero sincerity.

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

Pages 34-35

After looking through Snarky's ISO again they're still my top pick for the other townie. (Despite their low content they have a few posts that IMO are more likely town-motivated.) And if Snarky and havingfitz are teamed, them both dropping their Mary scumreads and going for J&V makes almost no sense to me.

"still my top pick for the other townie"...

really? Then what are we doing here twiddling our thumbs waiting for the inevitable?... it's game over already.

You guys will have to convince me on Snarky's "town-motivated" contributions post-game as I see no sign of it. He should be a null read at best. Any higher would be underestimating his scum game. Fitz should not be a t/read for anyone too right now - his choice on timing and reasons to support the Game/J&V wagons should be his downfall. We get to page 34, and Fitz suddenly has this '

Mary can't be scum with anyone, so she's town now

' brainwave, followed by '

J&V are the most likely scum partners with player X and player Y so I will support their lynch

'. Then Snarky chips in with his: '

yup, J&V are being opportunistic! Mary who? Don't know them...

'

Mary's got her gun loaded too, ready to squeeze the trigger, despite the alarm bells going off in their head...



Ah wait there.. this sounds promising:

I'd like to know more on this myself I'm a bit shocked fliz isn't voting me he seemed to have some type of turning point.

"turning point"... hmmm... what turning point do we find ourselves in...

@Jules - am I caught in confirmation bias or this is game over?

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

What I mean by turning point is fliz reads seemed to have a sudden 180 and I want to know why.

I knew what you meant. I was being sarcastic - the turning point is the fact we're in LYLO and my lynch is the only viable lynch today based on the reads of the two players I currently lean town.

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

I'd like to know more on this myself I'm a bit shocked fliz isn't voting me he seemed to have some type of turning point.

read

"I think my VCA is pointing to Mary not working as a team mate with anyone"

So you're basically writing off your whole ISO push on Paul/Mary because basically you don't believe iiSq/J&V/Snarky would never bus/scum-read Paul/Mary? A slot who's never being done any profound pro-town action.

I don't get your VCA.


I'd prefer to see you say Player A is scum for X, Y and Z reasons.

From my perspective your consolidation of lynch-options is a carefully crafted manipulation of scum-partner combinations to ensure a miss-lynch on the most s/read player.

Tell me about your scum-read of Snarky

outside of associations with our slot

(which you have continued to talk about but never followed up with pressure, instead you chose to pursue Mary and GameReplacement, while always keeping Snarky and I within arms-reach.)

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

From this:

Spoiler: havingfitz' scum-reading/pressuring Paul/Mary:

VOTE: Paul
I really dislike the pgo claim idea.

VOTE: Not the real Paul for prevous reasons given.

VOTE: NTRP

Please lynch this player ffs.

NotTheRealPaul is town I guess

Why?

I thought the pgo claim idea was terrible and only beneficial to scum. In no way could that suggestion have been pro-town.

Discounting his (and everyone else's) presence on the D1 obvscum lynch...he had votes on me (town), Creature (town lean IMO), osuka (flipped town albeit I suspected him) and Comm (fairly obvtown IMO). So his D1 voting record was terrible.

I felt like he active lurked. Came in...made an appearance...made promises...did nothing.

D2...voted you (are you town?) and contributed to mislynch of nykus. Of the 4 people alive who voted nykus I'm comfortable with one being gauranteed scum and perhaps a second (depending on how the Paul slot flips).

His replacement made at least 1 decent post iirc but that doesn't wash away the actions/inactions of her predecessor.

Why are you defending Paul? And how do we know scumPaul was involved in deciding Osuka's nk? There are two scum left. He could have been absent or swayed by a partner. Who knows?

Well..I've already said I think there are 1-2 scum in the group of iiSQ, Steel, Flubber and Paul/Mary.

Where as Paul actually did things I find suspect/anti-town. I prefer that slot to lurkers who remain a bit of a mystery and who might end up getting replaced by a more active player (please gawd let any replacements not be Titus).

I still prefer NTRP/Mary and the fact that slot is voting Flubber makes me less interested in the Flubber wagon.

Mary/iiSQ/Game are all on the Flubber and nykus mislynches.

1-2 of these players are scum.

Of those three I'm leaning town on iiSQ so imo 1-2 of Mary and Game are scum.

This is where I'm at for D4:

havingfitz
Creature
iiSQ
Snarky
J&V
Game
Mary

VOTE: Mary Saotome

I hate these type of post flip comments.

it makes me think you are being lazy and just making shit up. Or at the very least not reading since I have provided my NTRP/Mary suspicions more than once.

I'm annoyed Mary isn't getting more suspicion.

What is your take on Mary?

I still suspect the NTRP/Mary slot

To this:

my VCA is pointing to Mary not working as a team mate with anyone and in favor of a J&V lynch as they are strong partners with both iiSq AND Snarky.

Ladies and gentlemen. Fitz has dropped the fucking ball.

No way does town-Fitz drop his scum-reads to push through this compromise VCA lynch.
No way does town-Fitz refuse to see how town-J&V would find this behaviour suspicious.
I could imagine town-Fitz being concerned with his VCA, but not for it to override his strong reads so easily which he has formed throughout the game.
Even I had to set aside my night-kill-analysis (which basically says iiSq is scum) because it doesn't have enough substance to overpower iiSq's actual game content/behaviour (which I town lean).

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

After looking through Snarky's ISO again they're still my top pick for the other townie. (Despite their low content they have a few posts that IMO are more likely town-motivated.)

Coming back to this. Show me please. I can't see when/why/how Snowman trumps our slot.

@SnarkySnowman - do you really think you should be the "top pick" for the other townie?

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

I would not expect scum to like my VCA.

You're either bad town or opportunistic scum.

You are not allowed to talk to me like I am confirmed scum when I don't think your reads are sincere, and I don't think you have enough strong reasons to be so blinded by confirmation-bias yet. It's not natural. The timing of this is bad.

Your incredulousness over this is simply because I've gone from a Mary focus to a J&V focus.

If you'd shifted your focus/reads to any other player in like manner it would still look

just as suspicious

. Your inability to concede that factor is worrying. It's like you don't want be called scummy, or accept it as bad/alarming play. Tell me how town-J&V should not see that behaviour as suspicious.

You should have gone through your Mary scum read, from bottom to top. From scum to town. And then expressed how my slot is scum (exclusive of VCA reasons). If you're town or scum you've just fucked up D5 completely for yourself.

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

iisq looking kinda opportunistic too. I need to take some time to break down the last two pages

Your current playstyle is impossible to engage. I currently have no faith in you trying to convince me that you are town or someone else is scum.

Accept this as a challenge (incase you have a town win-con).

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

I would not expect scum to like my VCA.

And I've shifted focus before based on VCAs. I recently finished a game with Snarky where I used VCA in MYLO to zone in on scum. And they were quick to dispel all my suspicions.

Why are you fooling yourself with this logical fallacy?

'Scum/people dispelled my VCA in Game A and I was right. My VCA is being dispelled in Game B, I therefore must be right (and they must be scum)'

Why is a townie not allowed to disagree with your analysis. Do you think only town will react favourably to your VCA?

I don't understand your logic. I can't believe town-you believes this.

You've been playing since 2009.

Admit it, you've dug yourself into a hole, and now can't get back out.

Smells like stubborn scum to me.

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

I obviously misunderstood "I would not expect scum to like my VCA."..



Your VCA is shite mate. I'm not a good player but I can still recognise shit when I smell it.

I'm willing to overlook this clusterfuck of bad play if you can convince me of scum-J&V, scum-iiSq or scum-Snarky (EXCLUSIVE OF VCA). If you don't, then D5 is over for you.

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

Why is everyone basing today's lynch on scum-partner theory?

This game has been shit with poor / low activity associations. You cannot lynch / build strong reads on such fragile / false structures. We can only lynch on behaviour in isolation. We're not losing this game on flimsy VCA.


Can someone please tell me why Snarky is town / scum?

Or why J&V are scum?

Or why iiSq/Mary/Flitz is town / scum?

We can draw up the connections if we lynch scum.



- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

@SnarkySnowman - do you seriously have a town win-con?

You have made no attempt to sort anyone pro-actively.

The only thing I've seen is which misslynches / wagons you've been open to jump on.

Anymore thoughts on "opportunistic" J&V and "opportunistic" iiSq?

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

@Fitz
Outside of VCA, do you town read Mary?

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

Also, Snarky, can you give your read on havingfitz?

pretty likely town. I've seen him play this way in other games and thought he was scum in one or two but flipped town. same feel same play

Please can you give me that in bullet point form (describing his town meta). Since which point this game have you been giving him a free pass? (As I see no dynamic sorting of his slot from you, which in my book is indirect defending/protecting).

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

Judging on the players still alive and their static reads, this game is over (looks like our slot is being lynched today or tomorrow). It may have been over since Day 4.

The scum-team combinations have been naively set in stone.

Jules, over to you.

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

Also, Snarky, can you give your read on havingfitz?

pretty likely town. I've seen him play this way in other games and thought he was scum in one or two but flipped town. same feel same play

I've seen people play the same way in other games, but that really shouldn't be based on how they are in this game.

Yes you can use it as a helpful tool, but I wouldn't give anybody a free pass based on them playing the same way they have in the other games, and flipped town in those.

Not to mention, people can still play within there town meta when scum, which makes them harder to read, and will give that impression that they are likely town in this game because of it.

- Jules

[Jules and Vincent]

5 days left. Gun to my head I'd vote Snarky but I'm not ready to vote yet.
Snarky, can you answer my question in 887?

At this point of the game, I'm most likely to vote either Fitz, or Snarky.

But I'd prefer Fitz.

Snarky is one of those votes that can go either way, because I just can't get a read on him. And it's perfect position to be in for scum, because people are reluctant to lynch that slot because it can go either way, it feels more of a policy lynch rather than a set in stone scum read. If that makes sense.

For Fitz, the whole VCA argument is totally pants. Vega is well known to myself that he doesn't vote unless he's got a proven read. His biggest game plan is that he'd rather discuss and gather information before finishing off a lynch.

- Jules

[Jules and Vincent]

VOTE: HavingFitz

I'd rather this vote over Snarky, simply because of my point about being more of a policy lynch.

- Jules

[Jules and Vincent]

Mary, can you explain your scum read on us and why you haven't altered your stance for pretty much the entire time you've been in the game. You've maintained it, but yet not engaged with ourselves in hope to alter your read, or been open to discussion.

- Jules

[Jules and Vincent]

Ok, Snarky and Mary didn't quickhammer.

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

fitz
iisq
jv
mary

Show me town-Fitz.

Quote me posts.

Describe his town meta.

If you want Mary lynched this late into D5 you need to provide a case ASAP.



[Our slot has been linked up as a scum partner with every living player now.]

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

@Fitz
Outside of VCA, do you town read Mary?

- Vincent Vega

I'm out and occupied all day. I will have a look and effort to answer this question for you tomorrow. Without looking though I will say prior to VCA I suspected her and my current town read on her is based solely on VCA. But I will ISO and have another look.

You haven't been quicklynched so you have 4 more days to complete this ISO analysis.

I hope you had a good weekend x

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

JV...do you have everything you need from other players besides me?

We've given them all to-do lists.

I'd say only iiSq has been 'open' with his thoughts so far.

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

Maybe your best course would be to tread lightly and start your full ISO evaluation of Mary.

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

UNVOTE: Fitz

If any more words come pouring out of your **** mouth I'm gonna have to revote and fucking eat you. Now, please begin your full ISO evaluation of Mary.

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

entertaining requests from scum

The funny thing is, if you're actually town, your confirmation bias has lost the game for us.

I already know talking to you will be a futile exercise.

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

Why the unvote?
Scum would have had time to have quickhammer.

I'm a sucker for ETA, and in the end, he's promised me a full ISO analysis of Mary, which I expect in its full unadulterated glory:

Your vote on me gives me no reason to entertain your request wrt Mary

I want as much information as possible because all you sluts are ready to kill me, having lined up my misslynch with every living player. Plus, the no quick lynch and static reads tells me the power is not in my hands, which it should be.

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

That said, I do think it's better to lynch Snarky today.

What do you make of Snarky's empty late push on Mary?

Do you sense a vanity wagon... (fake/bad) scum-distancing... mere WIFOM...?

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

If we lynch Snarky first (and he flips mafia), I fear both you and Mary would lynch me Day 6, so Fitz is the lynch I'd prefer today from a survival/tactical stand point.

Snarky knew he couldn't bus Fitz (when our vote was on him a whole 24 hours)...

Snarky had to back down calling you "opportunistic", instead he insisted he could see "protown" motivation (how the fuck does he differentiate between your 'opportunism' and our 'opportunism'? Answer: it doesn't fit into his viable D5 misslynch agenda).

He has Fitz and you as his town reads (no strong reasons will ever be given). Thus, he can't vote there, and he's left with Mary (vanity wagon) and my wagon (both you and Mary don't trust us so Snarky will happily sheep there). Meanwhile, Fitz miraculously came into D5 hard t/reading Mary through VCA and now has to supply his full ISO analysis of Mary (someone he's been s/reading every word of theirs up til D4) He's also already been linking me and Snarky for a long time now (but he's never followed through), thus, he's forced to bus now if given the opportunity.

That is where I think we currently find ourselves.

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

For my own UK-board reference:

Open 696: Cosmopolitan

Votecount 5.9

Not voting (5): Jules and Vincent, Mary Saotome, iiSq5024, havingfitz, SnarkySnowman

With 5 players alive it take 3 to lynch.

Deadline: Friday 15th 07:03 am

[Jules and Vincent]

SnarkySnowman re-read:
Part One

Early lean's expressed

VOTE: nottherealpaul

can we talk about how this is still scum

A dramatic vote and emotive display of suspicion on the Paul slot. Loud post, but no detail/material supporting the intense scum-feels.

SnarkySnowman missed the excitement of D1 through absence.

Re-votes Paul at the start of D2. Re-posts his support of a Steel wagon. States that he's basically null on flubber and will "read up on him". So here we see SnarkySnowman opening up avenues to vote multiple players, but not showing us any of the work or thoughts of how he got there.

Absent for stretches again. SnarkySnowman has been on the periphery of D2 too now.

Creature turns our attention to flubber.

SnarkySnowman now has a scum lean on flubber:

Flub is a bit scummy,

definitely lacking content

. One thing I noticed is that he asks Osuka's opinion a bit yet didn't have Osuka on the read list. I'll look at them now.

tl;dr - flub scumlean, reading osuka next

Hard as fuck to follow and doesn't really do much positive for town.

[I'll file this under 'Pot Calling the Kettle Black'. This could be seen as an opportunistic jump onto the flubber wagon. Where is Snarky's intense Paul s/read right now...?]

Snarky finally joins iiSq, Creature and Mary on the flubber wagon:

Just based on everyone's thoughts on flubber I'd like this lynch

VOTE: flub

[Wait what, you're going to sheep your s/read?]

Snarky shares some iiSq-flubber association-analysis.

Flubber dies.

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

SnarkySnowman re-read:
Part Two

Mary can die. I wanna look back at my notes but I'm at work atm

"Mary can die": Again, a lot of noise, but no content
"I wanna look back at my notes": what bloody notes?!

Mary needs to die. iisq should die. game replacement is 3rd on my shit list.

All noise, no content.
Just like the day before, SnarkSnowman opens up the avenues for players he could vote for (WITH ZERO PRO-ACTIVE SORTING or SCUM HUNTING). Is this guy a mafia genius or an opportunistic scumbag?

I don't think JV is scum creature. Can you sum up why you disagree with that?

Where did this town read and defense come from?

I think I might be willing to sheep you there though.

Snarky open to sheep iiSq on GameReplacement (I think?)



...and now ladies and gents we have the funniest and most incredulous post of the game so far:

VOTE: jules

I 100% have to sheep creature now

- we haven't seen SnarkySnowman pro-actively sort any player.
- we've only see him sit on the periphery and join a miss-lynch at the most opportune time.
- I don't think I've seen SnarkySnowman explain/defend any of his reads at any point (if he was a clueless townie, he should just admit he has NULL READS and has been lazy, but he keeps posting reads and people he'd like to lynch).
- now he's willing to turn his reads upside down and vote me for what reasons? (on a dead townie's reads?)

That's simply not good enough SnarkySnowman.

Snarky has mixed feelings on the Mary slot now:

Mary reads kinda townie. NTRP was a scumfuck. Still leaning scum on that slot

Mary seems townie too, but doesn't really make much happen or say anything I find overwhelmingly townie.

JV being opportunistic..

iisq looking kinda opportunistic too.

I take it back on iisq being opportunistic. There's definitely plausible town motivation / reasoning there.

What bullshit.
How do you differentiate between my supposed "opportunistic" play and iiSq's supposed "opportunistic" play? What makes his play guided by "town motivation" with wonderful reasoning and my play scum-alignment indicative?

pretty likely town. I've seen him play this way in other games and thought he was scum in one or two but flipped town. same feel same play

I still want to see clear evidence of this town meta clear you are giving Fitz. I don't believe it. Sounds like a weak cop-out to me. You haven't spoken jackshit about Fitz or meaningfully interacted with him ALL GAME. And now you want me to believe you're giving him a free-town meta pass? There is no fucking town-paranoia here.

I'm not 100% really sold on anything.

If you were so uncertain why have you been speaking with such clear passion and unexplained conviction all game? Show me evidence of your meta-fuelled town-reads. Show me scum-Mary. Show me scum-opportunistic J&V vs town-opportunistic-iiSq.

You're either a townie out of his depth this game or an opportunistic scummy bastard.

And right now, my position on it is quite obvious.


- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

Probably a bit too dramatic in places yes, but I'm sure town-SS would see where I am coming from.

Sadly, I'm forced not to trust you.

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

Probably a bit too dramatic in places yes, but I'm sure town-SS would see where I am coming from.

Sadly, I'm forced not to trust you.

- Vincent Vega

That was to SnarkySnowman

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

It's time to put your money where your mouth is and vote so we can give Mary as much time as she needs to consider the hammer.

Mary has had tunnel vision all of D5. She's had the J&V-Snarky scum team locked in for a while now. I have no doubt that Mary will hammer without hesitation, so we have no worries about a no lynch on that front.

Jules and I still don't understand her scum read of us (is it really as lazy as PoE?)

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

I took off Jule's vote without his permission so I will ask him first before I place it.

Also, I was promised content if I unvoted, but consider our vote still on Fitz (even though I think I solved the game, you should always let your scum read share their reads and defend themselves: as I've been accused of OMGUS in previous games).

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

I will let Vincent know my views on who we should vote, but right now, I'd rather our vote on Fitz dependant on what he provides us when he can. But if it gets near the deadline and we aren't any further foward, I will consolidate on second choice Snarky.

- Jules

[Jules and Vincent]

Ok will re-read iiSq and Mary Wednesday - we have time.

As much information as possible from everyone x

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

Will read Fitz's post... Then one final read of iiSq and Mary.

Then we will place our final vote for the day.

Snarky is L-1.

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

Don't worry, only Fitz (your strongest town read) has the power to quickhammer. Got a few more things to do before we vote.

Open 696: Cosmopolitan

Votecount 5.11

SnarkySnowman (2): iiSq5024, Mary Saotome

Not voting (3): Jules and Vincent, havingfitz, SnarkySnowman

With 5 players alive it take 3 to lynch.

Deadline: Friday 15th 07:03 am

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

Just need Fitz to pop in so I can start breathing again.

Ideally that was what I wanted before diving into 200+ post ISO's

What timezone is Fitz in?

If iiSq was scum it was gameover ages ago anyway... would explain why Fitz wasn't quickhammered earlier too tbh.
Right now, I'm pretty much settled into Snarky-Fitz, that is the team I have to believe in, given the available content. Will need a drastic re-read to break up that theory.

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

FFS

I'm gonna have a break from mafia for a while. I am shit.

- Vincent Vega

[Jules and Vincent]

Anti-town does = scummy
I disregarded my own NKA too :/

Think iiSq would have won D6, regardless if we'd lynched Fitz.

Well played ladies and gents.

- Vincent Vega