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really provisional read|:humaneating town for asking questions about how best to win the game. Gamesolving plus uncertain plus curious often = townYou've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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gambits to be avoided if possible, they tend to confuse the fuck out of everyone, and it's confusing enough when you are town already.In post 21, Gamma Emerald wrote:V/LA from the 21st to the 25th, Going out of town for Christmas
In other news I think it may not be the worst thing for someone to fakeclaim mason as VT.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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In post 32, Almost50 wrote:OK. I claim a Mason.
please dont do this.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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getting that vibe. He's not exactly blending in.In post 36, rb wrote:A50 is probably town?You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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agree its annoying. But he's prob town.In post 40, JunkoChan wrote:???? ??? ?? ? ?? I think Imma policy lynch just to be safe.
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shame mafia has nothing to do with maths, and is all bout psycholgy and emotions.In post 41, Almost50 wrote:No need for applause.. really. I know I'm always impressive with those probabilities.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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In post 47, MawhrinSkel wrote:Blame Godel.
Btw in case Godel didn't make this public before-hand, this is a teaching hydra. I'm here to help Godel, so this is like 95% a Godel-game.
thanks fo rhte info without analysis. My first serious vote:
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this sounds like bollocks, rb clearly said that "erratic posting..more of a towntell at this stage of game".In post 67, jzhenson93 wrote:I don't like this post. Erratic posting isn't a scumtell, but the same logic that shoots that down would also lead you to believe that isn't not a town tell either. Because the logic doesn't seem to be coherent, it feels disingenous.
This is a really convoluted incoherent argument from you, sounds made up.
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Fitz and Humanmonkey's convo about masons claiming etc sound very town.They are both curious and out in the open. I also liked Rb's point about Almost's posting being town, which i totally agree with:
P.O.E:
Town Moz, Rb, Almost, Human, Fitz
So 4 scum in 8!: Comm, Million,Mawhrin, Junko, Wavemode, Jzenson, Hongzi and Gamma.
Already 50% chance of hitting scum! Like i said, maths sucksYou've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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insitnctively, i'm against it, because it could stifle discussion and force people to sheep people that dont have good reads.In post 84, CommKnight wrote:If one or both are scum, they'll be forced to use their daykill attempt or completely risk being lynched without attempting one.
Not saying i'm definitely against it, but it these plans often back ifre on town. They stop people thinking for themselves, and before yyou know itm you have some bullshit plan where 4 townies are quick lynched in a row.
Probably best just to keep scum hunting.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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Although these plans normally come from town, so i put Comm in town pile.
So 4 scum in: Million, Mawhrin, Junko, Wavemode, Jzenshen, Hongzi and GammaYou've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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plan might flawed. But normally are flawed cos they dont know whats going on. He's gamesolving which is normally town.In post 92, Almost50 wrote:As such, the Comm plan becomes obviously flawed and is indeed an attempt to identify "who's willing to vote whom".You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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good point.In post 99, jzhenson93 wrote:llowing scum to hide behind "following the plan."You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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I'm still suspicipous of Mwhren and Jzhensen, but this gets a wagon going on Gamma, so it seems more useful:
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Very unusual play for scum. Comm is cleared for me, until late game paranoia
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absolutelyIn post 111, humaneatingmonkey wrote:I'm also suspicious of Gamma Emerald's hovering.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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thanks for not giving any reads, and just casting shade.(on who anyway lol)In post 117, Gamma Emerald wrote:My scumfuck sense is tingling
happy to lynch gamma, lets go.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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In post 119, Almost50 wrote:Does Comm fake confidence as Town when he's not sure?
he is a confident/over confident player, so it makes sense he would come up with a flawed plan but push it as town.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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i was in a game very recently where scum threatened to replace out. The replace out threat/replace out/ragequit is NAI, seen it both ways.In post 185, Almost50 wrote:Would it not have been more convenient for Scum!Gamma to fake some reads or something, rather than expressing his frustration in the manner he did?You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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Gamma in full on survival mode...
Catching up properly tonight.
But I can't see I'm gonna change my mind. Case on Gamma is straightforward:
1) His first couple of posts were entirely empty.
2) He asked a entiely fake question of...someone, i forget who. It was very clear what the guy had said. Gamma was clearly asking the question for the sake of having something to post.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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You've upped your game dramatically since you've been near lynch.
There was a lot of discussion going on which you didn't comment on at all. That can be a scumtell because scum know what is being discussed doesn't matter. Town would have commente don what was going on.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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Gonna give Humanmonkey a townpass for Day 1 for sheer effort. It is possible that he's good scum, but he's not a day 1 lynch. And he probably IS town. The theory wall post stuff is...whatevr...but he is also giving out a lot of opinions.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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ASAP get back on Gamma i reckon. But i hear you, we need to hear from other people. I cant see myself changing my mind about Gamma though.In post 222, humaneatingmonkey wrote:UNVOTE: Gamma Emerald
I'm not comfortable with putting anyone to L-1 this early, and when multiple playas are on V/LA.
VOTE: jhenzon93
Like the Jzenshen vote. His posts seem very empty.
I could lynch him if people prefer him to Gamma.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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i do this when i am scum, try and placate everyone on my wagon. A form of mass buddying. "Hey, everyone on my wagon is prob town...ps unvote now please cos i like you!"In post 260, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'm not certain there even is scum on my wagon.
Town normally get more OMGUSy than this.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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so I'm prob most up for lynching gamma, Jenshen, Wavemode or Mawhrinskel.
The last 2 are that mixture of "quite possibly scum but also a compromise lurker lynch".You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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can't see Almost as scum, the guy is sticking out like a sore thumb.In post 292, rb wrote:I'd rather do 2iam than A50
2IAM maybe, he is a bit vague and wishy washy.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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played with Wave once, he was town, and he was similarly unhelpful then. So my gut response is town.In post 293, Hongzi wrote:Wow, a context-free read list defended by circular truisms.
What a sterling game contribution!You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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In post 301, MawhrinSkel wrote:here now catching up posting soon sorry for the delayYou've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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Sorry, scratch that - Wave was defending Gamma.In post 307, mozamis wrote:Sweet!
So we got that right - i'm still up for Gamma, but Wave was defending Jzenhson?You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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THIS is your catch up post?! Lol - no reads, opinions, analysis. Just "no rush to a lynch".In post 309, MawhrinSkel wrote:I just now caught up with the thread and I want to think about it and sleep on it since it was about 10 pages of content I am digesting.
Some initial thoughts, while we can't let the game stall I don't think we necessarily need to rush to a lynch, since there is no night phase and no plurality lynch we can just wait for the day to end and then just revote and it will be like nothing happened. At some point we do have to lynch someone or else the game stalls but I don't think we need to rush or let some arbitrary time limit dictated when we need to lynch someone(sorry mod)
@mod I will be v/la from 23 dec to 1 jan, visiting family, should still be able to get on and post(may even have more time than I do now, hate the pre holiday stress)
PEDIT was just about to hit submit when the thread was locked and I for sure need to think about this. Though will be around for about another 30 min if anyone wants to ask me anything.
Happy to lynch this if people dont want Gamma.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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In post 318, MawhrinSkel wrote:I have been gone for about 10 pages worth of content which is like a /23 of the game content and for me it is a lot to take in.
my point is that we're some way into the game now and you have posted no content.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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good spot he's out of my lynch pool for todayIn post 324, wavemode wrote:hong goes from red to green on my list for pushing jzhen
so 3 scum in:
Million, Mawhrin, Junko, Wavemode and Gamma
wavemodes recent post sseemlike hes scum hunting, so i woul dprob narrow it down to 3 scum in
Million, Mawhrin, Junko and Gamma.
In order of preference: Gamma, Mawhrin, Million and Junko.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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In post 328, Almost50 wrote:Consider my vote to be there on spirit.
what is this? either vote for him, or dont.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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yeah this guy probably is scum.In post 335, TwoInAMillion wrote:How am I scum if gamma is town?
He's too worried about whether people will scum read him or not, he's not looking FOR scum.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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I hear what you are saying, his last few posts have been weird as fuck.In post 348, humaneatingmonkey wrote:A50 is definitely scum. But we should lynch Gamma first to be sure.
But still having hard time seeing Almost as scum, hes just so out in the open, taking hard stances on everything, although i think he is probably wrong.
Much rather lynch Gamma, Mwgren or Million before Almost.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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i dont quite get why almost is so convinced gamma is town. Based on meta? meta can be useful, but its not alwways great as you can end in confo bias.
@ Almost - Gamma has done a damn thing to find scum, surely you can see that.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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@ almost - please could you find a way to scuccintly summarise your soporific stanzas?
Joking aside, some of your wall posts are getting epic. Be great if you could tighten up the prose a tad for us poor tired-as-fuck-bastards.
For the record I still think you're town. That or you are playing one hell of a scum game. But yeah...how about some love for the one liner lovers?!You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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we just dont know for ure if gamma is scum, or if scum shot gamma, or if scum shot someone else. Its jsut a world of WIFOM/speculation.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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In post 407, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Why is this not relevant information?
I agree, it IS very relevant infomation. Scum love to bus for a bit, for distancing, and then get off the wagon. "soft bussing".
Come on guys, we're letting scum slip away here.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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Obviously he was hoping he was shooting a mason. But Jenz wasnt under much suspicion so he didn't need to save himself. And Gamma was townreading Jenz. This is the only post Gamma talked about Jenz:In post 395, Almost50 wrote:He shot someone whose flip would have either saved jz or someone he thought was a Mason. Now do place yourself in Scum!Jz's shoes and take your aim. Who would you have shot to save yourself? Who would have been your best guess for a Mason? You don't even need to answer in the thread, Just do the math yourself.
So, maybe Jenz thought Gamma was mason, but who knows, that is pure speculation. He certainly wouldnt have seen Gamma as a threat. So the idea that Gamma is somehow town because Jenz thought he was a mason is just random, has no basis in the evidence at all.In post 262, Gamma Emerald wrote:18: RVS
67: kinda makes sense
85: raises good points imo
99: more good points
126: I feel his criticism is legitimate, it's the same reason I got the feeling Hongzi was scum from that post saying he would analyze 2iam
216: not really much here
So jz seems somewhat towny at this point.
So forget about the shooting spec. Just look at what Gamma has done - apart fromn townread conf. scum - and it is very little, and BS.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...-
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In post 426, Almost50 wrote:You either didn't read the post you're responding to or you're throwing shade on someone you previously hard TR'd. Which is it? And if the2nd, what changed your mind?
what are you talking about? I have been hard scum reading Gamma pretty much all game.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...