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Jodaxq, why the self vote in RVS?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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VOTE: Schism
Because dividing is bad for town.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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VOTE: xXTonereaderXx
This is not a gimmick I like, and it's early enough in the game to express that dislike in the traditional way.
I donotapprove a policy wagon here.
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Probably random is forbidden anyway.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Stupid autocorrect. ProvablyWanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Inquisitive.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Rather than answer directly, I'd like to hear what you thought about both tonereader in general and my post.In post 54, Sleepless Assassin wrote:
Why make the vote if you don't approve of a policy wagon?In post 51, davesaz wrote:VOTE: xXTonereaderXx
This is not a gimmick I like, and it's early enough in the game to express that dislike in the traditional way.
I donotapprove a policy wagon here.
In other news Jodaxq plays with fire, will she get burned?
I will be open about it, later.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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That's the kind of post that usually makes me scumread someone.
Talk about one slot, naked vote another.
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If chip was serious the note to mod needs to bebolded. If not serious then I leave the analysis of that to others who have seen it.
Jodaxq, is there anyone remaining who hasn't commented on your self vote / random thing? I'd like to go deeper there but don't want to disturb it if you're waiting for something.
Pedit: the comment was more about the naked vote than the Elmo stuff.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Speaking of responses, I have two things I'm looking for a response on.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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It looks like an obvious reaction test to me. Which means you should be doing something about the reactions.In post 140, Jodaxq wrote:
No I think I've seen something from everyone. What did you want to explore?In post 135, davesaz wrote:If chip was serious the note to mod needs to bebolded. If not serious then I leave the analysis of that to others who have seen it.
Jodaxq, is there anyone remaining who hasn't commented on your self vote / random thing? I'd like to go deeper there but don't want to disturb it if you're waiting for something.
Pedit: the comment was more about the naked vote than the Elmo stuff.
I plan to do the same but have been distracted by a new pack being put up on the minecraft server.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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In current site meta I don't think many people would call 6 pages "too many posts".In post 139, Sleepless Assassin wrote:Too many posts. I'll be back Friday at the latest.
If this is actually a post about too much RL for this relatively small number of posts, then fine but honesty is the best policy.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Don't think I have ever seen havingfitz post a wall. Even a small one. This post also serves as a reminder to myself to check that if it seems that it will be relevant.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Good example of how mods need to be careful not to influence by mistake. Hopefully all's well that ends well.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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FWIW I thought that making read lists by quoting the player list (and moving people around? I'm not good at catching the details) was bad too.
Tonereader, thoughts on my post that was directed toward you?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Here is a link to setup info.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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It is not contradictory to say an IC's posting is scummy. People said it of me recently. I think it represents a good opportunity to recalibrate.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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This sounds backwards somehow. Can you restate that in terms of what's good?In post 197, Schism wrote:In Regards to “Confidence:” Id argue that hesitence on reads isnt good if you dont have a reason.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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To be bluntly honest, I don't remember my reads in this game. I accept the request to do more.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Heh, maybe I'll steal tone's thing.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I asked because I don't think it's a good thought to have for town, or at least it's incomplete from a town perspective.In post 208, Jodaxq wrote:
I believe his statement is "I'd argue that hesitancy on reads is not good if you do not have a reason to be hesitant." Or, flipped around, "Confidence on reads is good if you have reason to be confident."In post 199, davesaz wrote:
This sounds backwards somehow. Can you restate that in terms of what's good?In post 197, Schism wrote:In Regards to “Confidence:” Id argue that hesitence on reads isnt good if you dont have a reason.
Town by definition should be at least a little hesitant on their reads, even if they have reason to be confident. Failure to be hesitant can risk putting scum in a "forever town" box.
It is true that scum can be detected by unfounded confidence, especially in their town reads.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Voyc has a very short ISO but I think these show more town mind set than scum.In post 203, Voyc wrote:
Do you agree with the lists? Are there any changes you would make to them?In post 157, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:Also notice how everyone who has posted a list is roughly the same?
In post 248, Voyc wrote:checking in to prodge, busy times! Happy holidays everyone.
Oh I agree w/ this.In post 247, Almost Chara wrote:In [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=9840154#p9840154]post 247[/url], Almost50 wrote:@Tonereader: At least put a +/- under each quote so I know whether you're pointing out something scummy or townie. Can you do that for me?
@Schism, as I asked before, are you confident that Assemble will flip scum? +and if yeah, why? He's posted twice, and Chip+Assemble's own signature seem to indicate activity is really NAI for him.
@Elmo, I'd like it if you could answer:In post 203, Voyc wrote:Do you agree with the lists? Are there any changes you would make to them?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Assemblerotws is too short to get a strong read from.
Slight scum lean.
The first two points are very sheepish looking, and the 3rd one is the type of little nuance that scum like to point out to see if town will grab it and run, while not voting it to try to avoid being called scummy for making the point because it stands out less without the vote.In post 222, Assemblerotws wrote: I slightly townread Jo for their reaction test and agree with the IC's reads on Schism. I am also curious why people haven't unvoted the IC.
BTW this is not in reply to northsidegal's request. I'm gonna reserve my strongest town and scum for that answer. Consider it a catch up by pseudo-replace-in -- like I said, I don't really remember enough.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Why the vote here? Sure I could look at what havingfitz posted before this and try to guess, but that can lead to misconceptions.
Here's another place where scum might be pointing out an obvious mistake but not doing anything about it.In post 161, cytheflyguy wrote:
They're the innocent child doeIn post 159, Jodaxq wrote:Almost Chara was clearly scummy as hell.
But I don't feel as strongly about this instance. I think it's more likely to be (relatively) harmless banter. Still, quoting it helps me remember for later in case an inconsistency develops.
Ugh, sick right before Christmas is the worst (other than sickIn post 217, cytheflyguy wrote:I'm getting over a case of the flu. I should be able to post tomorrow, but I don't trust myself today.onChristmas), hope you recovered enough to enjoy the holiday a little.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Yes, even if seemingly unnecessary.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Unofficially that's 4 each on assemble and fitz, with 2 days and change left.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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If you could lynch anyone else (without needing to worry about whether enough votes possible / your windmill-tilting derailing town's only hope to avoid no-lynch) who would it be?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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A full cop is at least CC. IC is at least M, and a vig at least V. That consumes a minimum of 4 characters and leaves at most 3 T's in the setup. With a SK flipped, 1T and 3T are the only possibilities.In post 400, Sleepless Assassin wrote: Also whoever is good at setup stuff should try to figure stuff out with the cop flip and vig shot.
The mafia team definitely has a roleblocker, being either 2 goons + RB, or goon,RB,GF.
We shouldnotmassclaim at this point. Scum know if it's 1T or 3T based on whether they have a GF or not, but don't know what the extra letters are if it's 1T or who the PR(s) are.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I didn't really approve of the D1 lurker lynch, and thought there was a chance Fitz might be town until I saw the flip.In post 415, Jodaxq wrote:I didn't notice before that Dave voted for ToneReader early just as a way to show disapproval of the gimmick and then never moved his vote. That's certainly interesting. Why did you choose to avoid both wagons, Dave? Why did you not move your vote off of Tone?
I'm thinking the hammer right after a replacement checked in looked a little sketchy. I actually wanted more information before night.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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About halfway through night I figured that Fitz brushing off my comment that I'd never seen a wall from him made him less likely to be town btw.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I got nothing.In post 417, CheekyTeeky wrote: @Dave: readslist please bruh.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Saying I didn't approve of a policy lynch meant that I had a bona fide scumread on Tone. Kinda disappointed that I was wrong there, though TBH I've seen a couple people pull stunts before and I don't remember any of them actually being scum.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Actually I retract this: I think Jodaxq is town from d1.In post 421, davesaz wrote:
I got nothing.In post 417, CheekyTeeky wrote: @Dave: readslist please bruh.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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If you think a little, that canonlybe a townie reaction.
Hint: what alignment makes shit up? What alignment is best served with the truth?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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North also pushed Schism, and one SK play is to kill someone you can plausibly have wanted to vig, in order to be able to claim that in a massclaim.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Maybe you'd like to re-read your D1 and tell us who else didn't give much in the way of reads?In post 427, cytheflyguy wrote:In post 425, davesaz wrote:If you think a little, that canonlybe a townie reaction.
Hint: what alignment makes shit up? What alignment is best served with the truth?
Think about it. What is easier as scum? Making something up even tho you know something else to be true or pretending like you know nothing so no one can hold you accountable for anything. Town can certainly not give fucks, don't get me wrong, but they also tend to try and find discrepancies as well. Like there's been this huge timegap of you saying you keep on not knowing anything/having light passive reads. You've made some valid posts, don't get me wrong, but like I have to give you a FoS for this, my dude.In post 426, CheekyTeeky wrote:
*uses the force on dave*In post 425, davesaz wrote:If you think a little, that canonlybe a townie reaction.
Hint: what alignment makes shit up? What alignment is best served with the truth?
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In post 283, davesaz wrote:In post 282, Almost Chara wrote: the holidays may have affected his playWanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Assemble is the best candidate if we want to know who tone would be a threat to.
Mafia could make a framing kill if they had no obvious threats.
If the mafia kill was north then schism is a good candidate.
If mafia killed fits and vig was tone then it would have to be because mafia thought fitz would be widely townreads.
That’s all based on nka which is easier on mobile given quoting isn’t as necessary. Picking apart the thread will require a comp.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Correction... I forgot to look at who fitz would be a threat to so a mafia kill might result in a suspect. Gotta look more later.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Hmm, lemme look. Don't know if I got the names confused, or if it's correct names but a dead end.
I agree, but tinfoil is what it is. Generally it's ok to accept most likely hypothesis but don't discard the unlikely ones prior to some form of confirmation.
I think under NAR all kills that don't get intercepted earlier in resolution are simultaneous.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Name confusion, thanks. Clearly Assassin, not Assemble.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I think Sleepless Assassin's posting looks pretty towny, though I don't remember much meta here and it could be fake.
So a mafia kill on Tone out of fear looks unlikely, and I'm leaning towards Fitz killing there to be able to claim vig. A vig killing North would be pretty bad. So the most likely kill assignment is mafia on North, Fitz on Tone, and vig on Fitz. The only other combination that comes close to making sense is Fitz on North, Mafia on Tone, and vig on Fitz, but that requires mafia to kill someone who isn't openly townread by many people -- and it leads us nowhere anyway.
I think that I'd better stop, or I'm likely to tunnel on the NKA and while useful it's not sufficient to solve things on its own.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Is this based on positions he has taken, or more a tone thing? If you can point to something specific it will help.In post 441, Jodaxq wrote: I disagree about Assassin. I think his posting feels really fake.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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That’s called posting when I have time to the extent that I have the time for.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Hell yeah, Schism is probably scum.
Check out this interaction. I'll spoiler to cut down on the vertical space.
Spoiler: northsidegal/Schism
I think north caught Schism here and that's what drove the kill selection.
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Your insistence in being suspicious of me seems town in this context.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Might be because mine had a messed up quote inside the spoiler, which really screws up the php when you put that inside another quote.
Schism, any response to the stuff I pointed out?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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If you have anything but a townread on me after 421 you're hopeless.In post 467, Almost Chara wrote:FTR, I fully endorse Schism's lynch pool. I'd put Joda before dave though, but these are my 3 top SRs.
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This observation, if true, would indicate the person she's posting about is scum.In post 180, northsidegal wrote:so wait, when you were making your readslist were you looking over your posts to see where to place everyone instead of just doing it by thoughts?I interpret this as intent to investigate.
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What is the intent of 421?In post 485, Almost Chara wrote:
Why should I TR you for not having a readlist??In post 480, davesaz wrote:
If you have anything but a townread on me after 421 you're hopeless.In post 467, Almost Chara wrote:FTR, I fully endorse Schism's lynch pool. I'd put Joda before dave though, but these are my 3 top SRs.
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I asked this before and will ask it again -- what alignment is mostly concerned with being brutally honest?
However, I think I'll just table this for now. I don't really mind being scumread by people.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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What makes you think there will be a replacement there?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I think joda is town from d1.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Didn't you notice I've posted many times since then?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I'm many things, but dumb is not one of them. I suggest looking closer at the timestamps if you want to engage on things like this.In post 492, Schism wrote:Dave 419 wrote:I didn't really approve of the D1 lurker lynch, and thought there was a chance Fitz might be town until I saw the flip.
I'm thinking the hammer right after a replacement checked in looked a little sketchy. I actually wanted more information before night.
The above are dumbtells. Dave had to be aware that deadline was coming up. There was 4 hours between the replacement and Elmo's Hammer.
Replacement post was Sun Dec 31, 2017 9:39 am
Elmo's hammer at Sun Dec 31, 2017 2:00 pm
D1 Deadline (which can be found in earlier votecounts) was 2018-01-01 22:49:29
There was 1 day, 8 hours until deadline.
I repeat, hammering right after a replacement, with more than a day left on the clock, was a little sketchy.
Yeah I know it was new year's eve, but there was no rush. I would have hammered before deadline (more than a day later) if nobody else did to avoid a NL.
We could have had more information, whether the lynch itself changed or not.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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ISO'd Elmo, weak scum read. Took the hammer as soon as someone else gave intent, without leaving CheekyTeeky a chance to say anything. Started D2 with a post which in retrospect does look like a slip of Mafia knowing that the SK had to be the vig target.
I think I did that ISO too fast, wanna look again...Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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And yes I saw someone else come to the same conclusion that I did on who did which kill. Elmo's post was among the very first of the day, before anyone should have had the chance to think through which kill was which.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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davesaz - town
Elmo TeH AzN - weak scum
Chip Butty - undecided
Schism - medium scum
Sleepless Assassin - weak town
CheekyTeeky - weak town
Jodaxq - medium town
cytheflyguy - undecided
Almost Chara - conf town
Undecided doesnotmean null. It means I have not worked on that slot.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I got some time to iso cytheflyguy. I don't see much useful there at all. I'd say it's worth a weak scum read.
This is an attempt to divert attention away from the idea of looking at who northsidegal would be a threat to.In post 428, cytheflyguy wrote: Now with that, we can assume scum killed tonereader. Now we must find out who had the biggest motivation to kill them and start from there.
Most likely a partner to whomever would be tagged by that analysis.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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ISOing Chip Butty was equally easy.
It's pretty easy to assign a read. There will probably be people who dislike this, but I have to say it's "null overwhelmed by RL". If nobody was interested in lynching in my scumreads, I'd be willing to compromise here.
Updated list:
davesaz - town
Elmo TeH AzN - weak scum
Chip Butty - null leaning scum
Schism - medium scum
Sleepless Assassin - weak town
CheekyTeeky - weak town
Jodaxq - medium town
cytheflyguy - weak scum
Almost Chara - conf townWanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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