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Read the first few pages seems like just RVS.
Someone want to tell me why there is a wagon on cytheflyguy?
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Uhmmm originals? I just got a PM with my lover link.In post 455, Mathdino wrote:Mathblade, to be clearer, these were the lovers at the start of the game:
Mathblade (Amrochora) - Toranaga
sheepsaysmeep (jzhenson) - Mathdino (pisskop)
momo (BigFinn) - Kop
RedFlavor - hyung (manrock)
cytheflyguy - Lalendra
Diamond - Sky
Originals are in parentheses.
Wtf?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Isn’t that like against site rules?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I need to confer with the mod about something something doesn’t add up.In post 461, Mathdino wrote:Who was in the PT originally? Like, your PT doesn't have your name in it because you're a replacement.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Stop fucking with me Dino.In post 434, Mathdino wrote:I'm lovers with MisaTange. Most of us have claimed already.
Can you at least summarise your lover's posts if you don't want to claim lovers?
I seriously thought the mod fucked up my role PMScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I confirm I am lovers with Dino and he posted some sort of shit weird list to punk me lol.
From post 434.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Punking your mason buddy. That’s a new weird spot Dino.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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So we seriously have an argument based on math we should randomly lynch?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I have a BA in math and I work as a computer programmer.In post 482, Mathdino wrote:
How much do you like math and/or programming? I don't know you at allIn post 481, MathBlade wrote:So we seriously have an argument based on math we should randomly lynch?
I've seen you in other games and have wondered what would happen if you, me, and mathcam ended up in the same game together.
I don’t know who MathcamScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Had fun presenting at a math conference but I choked.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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So the argument?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Yeah well I think there’s a logical fallacy imho that random lynching doesn’t address besides the fact it isn’t a game.
I would rather lose having fun then “win” doing nothing too.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Another application of the law of averages is a belief that a sample's behaviour must line up with the expected value based on population statistics. For example, suppose a fair coin is flipped 100 times. Using the law of averages, one might predict that there will be 50 heads and 50 tails. While this is the single most likely outcome, there is only an 8% chance of it occurring. Predictions based on the law of averages are even less useful if the sample does not reflect the population.
So expecting this scenario to match a win because randomness says the most likely thing is a win is bad. (I am assuming if you’ve coded it like you said I will assume the math is correct for argument)
So let’s play mafiaScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Where it is helpful for is if mod confirmed information is in a subset whether to Lynch in or out of that subset. That’s where the randomness helps imho.
Anywho reading up.
Does anyone have an argument?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Nah.
Lylo is pretty easy just see who people won’t vote for and do.
Just gotta get people talking and analyze the lover pattern.
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Dino stop arguing you’re town because 99% of the time no one gives a shit to read it.
Just help me out by posting the real list and and the link to the “slip”.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Thank you.In post 505, Sky_Paladin wrote:Toranaga and sheepsaymeep
pisskopMathdino andAmrochora/MisaTangeMathBlade
Redflavor andmanrockHyung
Cy and lalendra
Diamond and Sky
Kop andbigfinnmomoScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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K now for a moment assume cytheflyguy is town then the majority of the people on the wagon are town.In post 450, LlamaFluff wrote:Vote Count
cytheflyguy (4) - Mathblade, Mathdino, RedFlavor, Toranaga
Mathdino (2) - Sky_Paladin, DiamondSentinel
momo (2) - sheepsaysmeep, Lalendra
sheepsaysmeep (1) - cytheflyguy
RedFlavor (1) - momo
Not Voting (2) - Kop, hyung
With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline for day one is January 25th 7PM PST in (expired on 2018-01-25 19:00:00)
Then I know I and Dino are town. So red flavor and Toranaga need to be analyzedScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Derp brain merge meld.In post 512, MathBlade wrote:
K now for a moment assume cytheflyguy is scum then the majority of the people on the wagon are town.In post 450, LlamaFluff wrote:Vote Count
cytheflyguy (4) - Mathblade, Mathdino, RedFlavor, Toranaga
Mathdino (2) - Sky_Paladin, DiamondSentinel
momo (2) - sheepsaysmeep, Lalendra
sheepsaysmeep (1) - cytheflyguy
RedFlavor (1) - momo
Not Voting (2) - Kop, hyung
With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline for day one is January 25th 7PM PST in (expired on 2018-01-25 19:00:00)
Then I know I and Dino are town. So red flavor and Toranaga need to be analyzedScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Huynh and sheep would also be town so that entire list would mean scum would be in the bottom half of the list of this is the case.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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So Lalendra is voting momo so the only bottom half configuration
So the most likely configuration if cy is scum is cy/Lalendra and sky diamond.
Now let’s assume cy is town.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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They get scumread if cy is scum.In post 514, Mathdino wrote:I mean then it's Sky and Diamond gaining towncred for being off the wagon. I doubt it's sheep/Tora and Red/hyung.
Still working on town case.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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For easy reference for me since phone posting.In post 450, LlamaFluff wrote:Vote Count
cytheflyguy (4) - Mathblade, Mathdino, RedFlavor, Toranaga
Mathdino (2) - Sky_Paladin, DiamondSentinel
momo (2) - sheepsaysmeep, Lalendra
sheepsaysmeep (1) - cytheflyguy
RedFlavor (1) - momo
Not Voting (2) - Kop, hyung
With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline for day one is January 25th 7PM PST in (expired on 2018-01-25 19:00:00)ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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This would mean one of the red flavor/X or Toranaga/Y pairs would be scum.
While all town wagons do form on town scum likely could have hammered due to what seems to be weak scumhunting/townhunting if seriously talking random.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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The fact that hammer hasn’t occurred would mean that there is likely a scum there in those pairs.
Ergo I am only interested in lynching cy or cy’s partner, Sky/Diamond, RedFlavor pair or Toranaga pair.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Will you stop this?In post 526, Mathdino wrote:Tbqh VCA is mostly useless because scum will, ideally, (and, in previous setups, have) run each other up to L-2 and L-2 "proving" they aren't scum together and then let the town get paranoid and lynch town instead.
This massive deadline is hurting us. We need a flip.
Seriously.
You have your strengths I have mine.
I break games in lylo just let me work.
And hammer faking does expose itself in combination with the reads.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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This looks really bad actually.In post 453, sheepsaysmeep wrote:In post 4, DiamondSentinel wrote:Hello everyone. So, shall we start with claiming lovers?In post 8, DiamondSentinel wrote: 2. How could claiming lovers not help? Au contraire, since it's a nigthless setup, I think it's our biggest weapon here. If we claim lovers, we force the scum into pairs to begin with. Furthermore, if we have anyone super strong (I don't necessarily know if we do), if scum pressures their partner, it makes it pretty obvious. So, scum has to be careful about pressuring 2 slots in the case of one player being spot-on or whatever.In post 9, DiamondSentinel wrote:Also, by claiming lovers, it lowers the pool for scum to bus from, and lower the amount of chaos we'd have.
arent these two loversIn post 13, Sky_Paladin wrote: I discussed claiming with my lover and we didn’t know if that was a good idea or not so I guess we will go with the flow.
Still reading give me 30 minutes but cy/Lalendra and Diamond sky looking hella likely.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Seriously. Omg will you stop arguing that playing mafia is bad?In post 529, Mathdino wrote:Math, I hope you realise that whatever grand theory you have for all 4 scum put together is most likely exactly what scum wants you to think is correct. There are strategies for scum with this setup that completely counteract normally good scumhunting/analysis.
Plus, I agree that LyLo is easy (I've never lost LyLo as town [or ever]). The hard part is you have 6 townies and 4 scum and you need all 6 townies to agree on who scum is while the 4 scum are throwing chaos into the mix. It's not the scumhunting that's the problem. That part is easy when you know you're town.
The problem is the politics.
Edit: IDK dude I've read too many games with this setup with good scumhunters that lose
I have taken many a shit spots and almost won it except Transcend game threw by voting too early saying he didn’t care.
Just give me a moment to fucking read and stop spreading despair that’s how towns lose.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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So please just give me time to read.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Okay Sky question:In post 519, Sky_Paladin wrote:It looks to me that Diamond was testing the waters to see if people wanted to claim, which is consistent with my more detailed explanation that you asked for in 391 and also with what Diamond opened with.
Dino7 - I ask if we should crumb or not and say I have no idea wtf to do.
8 - Diamond says it's nightless, and speculates everybody will revealing there partners on day 1. Asked me not to reveal unless the trend seems to be going that way. Says that they'll just wing it and hope we win day 1.
That is literally the opposite of what happened. Hello? Aren't you supposed to be buddies with MathBlade? Why lie?I had to strongarm sheep into going along with my idea too.
Diamond said he asked you not to. Assume this is true.
Then why did Diamond ask if we should claim lovers? That seems counter intuitive and what emotion did you feel when Diamond did that?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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You mean here?In post 80, Sky_Paladin wrote:I guess what we are looking for is the set of interactions between declared groups that seem suspicious. If you think of every player group as a hydra, we're looking for the two hydra's that have shady interactions.
So with that in mind I think that the mass claim is probably for the best, and in flagrant disregard of what my lover said earlier, I'll go ahead and declare that I'm paired with DiamonSentinel. Interestingly we both independently hated on the dice routine.
In our topic we basically discussed what the setup was because apparently neither of us read it before signing up, then freaking out when we realised that we had no idea how to scumhunt in this scenario, and then to claim or not claim. We decided we'd just go with the flow, so, here I am, flowing away.
That kinda sounds gross :V
Why did you claim despite your claim that your lover suggesting you hide it?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Mainly?
What is/are the other reason(s)?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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K this means that either A) red and rock and tor and sheep claimed early intentionallyIn post 51, sheepsaysmeep wrote:pairs:
tor and sheep
mathdina and amrochora
redflavor and manrock
unclaimed:
cytheflyguy
kop
sky
bigfin
diamon
lalendra
Or it’s the same 4 group before
@Sky did you have specific questions I missed? You said you were looking forward to something?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Sorry no I just missed it.In post 535, Sky_Paladin wrote:@MathBladewhen you are caught up, I would also caution you to examine the Tora/Sheep slot and it's buddying to your own. Dino's blanket acceptance and auto pass of the slot are one of the key reasons I am scumreading your slot.
Especially note Sheep has jumped off the Cy-wagon with the barest provocation.
The other reason is mainly Dino's attitude and playstyle seems hellbent on his way or the highway and that looks a lot like open wolfing to me. I do appreciate your efforts to actually play the game though.
It fit exactly in line with Diamond wanting to know how town felt about claiming before deciding whether or not we should claim. I will admit being surprised that Diamond was the first person to bring it up.That seems counter intuitive and what emotion did you feel when Diamond did that?
Tired after a day of work.
I always post thoughts as I am reading. The VCA just narrows the search and you happened to be posting so you get questions. So yes I will be looking at all people I mentioned as I post.
Namely the first thing I noticed is that if cy isn’t scum the scumteam would have had to mass plan to claim lovers which is odd. This entire game is odd but that’s unique.
What do you make of that Paladin?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Assume cy is town
At least one of the red / y group or Toranaga / y group scum
Both groups claimed hella early.
Meaning it would be planned.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Yes. They could have.In post 552, Mathdino wrote:Or they just selected at random from the 4.
I don't think we can make much headway on the time at which they claimed. If I were mafia replacing a guy who wasn't even in the PT with a scumpartner who just said "Hello" in the PT, I'd probably just pick at random too to get a leg up on the claiming.
But then still planned intentional claim regardless.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Assume pairs 1,2,3,4,5 all town is your question if I understand.In post 505, Sky_Paladin wrote:Toranaga and sheepsaymeep
pisskopMathdino andAmrochora/MisaTangeMathBlade
Redflavor andmanrockHyung
Cy and lalendra
Diamond and Sky
Kop andbigfinnmomo
Then Diamond and Sky and momo and Kop would have to be scum.
Unlikely diamond or sky don’t then hop on the cy wagon during the we don’t give a shit phase with that many seemingly inactive.
Possible yes likely no.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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That I actually agree with but I really just think it is that four so any of that four is fine.
I think we will end up lynching Diamond but give me some room here Dino.
I wanna see how people react to this idea.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Erm...
I can’t understand cy’s post because I don’t know if cy means me, Dino, or actual math.
Can someone help translate?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Dino is applied math.In post 560, cytheflyguy wrote:Also I find it hella ironic that a pair of lover's URL is both math based, and unlike math, which is supposed to be the most universal truth ever, they can't agree on anything.
I am pure math.
The truth is there somewhere.
But I still think you’re scum even though that is hilarious.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Pure math is a type of math. Not ego.
Although ...*blush*ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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VOTE: DiamondIn post 570, Mathdino wrote:I'm honestly gonna be pretty peeved if we lose this because Math's reads are wrong, like those of every town before us. I'd take the 70% winrate anyday. But if we're doing this,
VOTE: Diamond
I guess Math's reads are, in theory, as arbitrary as anyone's.
@sheep: Pure math is theoretical mathematics. Some crazy shit. Number theory is a major example. Prime numbers. Stuff like that.
Applied math is self-explanatory.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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You realize I had logic for my reads right?In post 570, Mathdino wrote:I'm honestly gonna be pretty peeved if we lose this because Math's reads are wrong, like those of every town before us. I'd take the 70% winrate anyday. But if we're doing this,
VOTE: Diamond
I guess Math's reads are, in theory, as arbitrary as anyone's.
@sheep: Pure math is theoretical mathematics. Some crazy shit. Number theory is a major example. Prime numbers. Stuff like that.
Applied math is self-explanatory.
And with any luck will get one or two scum teammates to bus and have to limp off?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Wolf is another word for scum.In post 584, Lalendra wrote:
I'm confused about all these references to wolfing, isn't wolf a 3rd party that only exists in multiball?In post 535, Sky_Paladin wrote:The other reason is mainly Dino's attitude and playstyle seems hellbent on his way or the highway and that looks a lot like open wolfing to me.
But I suspect you were coached to ask.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Yeah paladin is scum.In post 577, Sky_Paladin wrote:UNVOTE: Dino
VOTE: cytheflyguy
I truly hoped that some other towns would come in to this game but I was clearly mistaken.
Quick bus vote then moving it before it matters.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Now let’s break down this bullshit:In post 585, Sky_Paladin wrote:Open wolfing basically exactly what Dino has done all game.
I'm probably not going to try to convince Dino and Blade that they are scum with Sheep since they're not inclined to believe me but I'm inspired to do some work to see if I can get the many afk and neutral players out there to vote. I was pretty salty that Blade/Sheep/Dino all decided that I'm scum but then I figured well I've been calling them scum all game, so that's fair.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Dino
Aside from my many repeated statements that are trivially accessible in my iso the fact that Cy/Red both showed up to immediately vote for my slot when there was a better wagon around (sheep) should be enough of a concern that players go uh oh.
So to Lalendra/Cy/Momo/et al, what do you think about that?
More importantly, are you happy to go into LYLO tomorrow with Dino, who's stated strat is to arbitrarily pick a player (it could be you) and vote regardless of interactions, vote count analysis etc?
In other words why the fudge are players willing to sheep a slot that has no scum hunting except for badly put together fake reaction tests. Both Dino and Blade ignored my explanations for what was in my private topic which suggests to me that they were not looking for an explanation, they were looking for a target.
I am unwilling to go into LYLO while that slot is still active and if you are interested in playing the game of mafia, you should be putting your votes there.
If you disagree, please provide reasons.
1) Paladin proposes cy is town.
2) There is no better wagon than one that confirms scum.
3) yes people are dividing exactly on the lines I thought they would.
4) I did not ignore your explanations. I even asked questions about them. I just don’t agree think you’re town because they are logically inconsistent. I don’t believe in giving bullshit airtime.
5) People not playing the game in a protown way doesn’t make them town or scum what matters is the motivation and if genuine.
Buh bye now.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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It’s irrelevant if they do or not.In post 590, Mathdino wrote:mathblade i hope you understand scum don't have daytalk
i don't know if that's a mistake you're making but it might be because it's too early for mafia
also power wolfing is an idiotic strategy for longterm forum mafia
this is an open setup. i would never suggest a strategy i genuinely believed to not work because i don't think i'm good enough to unironically support a bad strategy and legitimately thought no one would ever call me out on my shit
Paladin’s vote switch off of cy is a scum claim.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Then why not explain the entire plan to your partner?In post 603, DiamondSentinel wrote:
I told Sky to hide it because Sky was an unknown in my strategy. If I could control what they did, then that would remove a wild-card from my "team's" actions.In post 537, MathBlade wrote:
You mean here?In post 80, Sky_Paladin wrote:I guess what we are looking for is the set of interactions between declared groups that seem suspicious. If you think of every player group as a hydra, we're looking for the two hydra's that have shady interactions.
So with that in mind I think that the mass claim is probably for the best, and in flagrant disregard of what my lover said earlier, I'll go ahead and declare that I'm paired with DiamonSentinel. Interestingly we both independently hated on the dice routine.
In our topic we basically discussed what the setup was because apparently neither of us read it before signing up, then freaking out when we realised that we had no idea how to scumhunt in this scenario, and then to claim or not claim. We decided we'd just go with the flow, so, here I am, flowing away.
That kinda sounds gross :V
Why did you claim despite your claim that your lover suggesting you hide it?
That’s what I am not following.
It feels like Sky just made up something and y’all are scrambling to justify it.
Furthermore do you have a townread on Lalendra or cytheflyguy?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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It’s more the provable randomness that is the problem.In post 604, Mathdino wrote:it's not against the rules i think but it's frowned upon
because most of the time it lowers town winrate by nulling any associations and also random lynching creates a low winrate in general
i've never suggested it before
besides even if the dice tag was against the rules you could just randomise based on the stockmarket or some shit
or the national debt
It creates a lot of funky potentials for alignment confirms.
Kinda the same reason timesramps are bad too. You can confirm you had a PT with a player (unless you are a really skilled faker), generally things gotta stay in thread unless expressly permitted otherwise.
Furthermore don’t ever do what you did to me at the start of my replace in ever again. Seriously don’t punk your mason buddy like that.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Why did you write about yourself in the third person when it’s supposed to be from your perspective? *eyebrow twitch*In post 613, Sky_Paladin wrote:Dino
Well that is almost true. We'll agree to disagree about the accurate political climate chart because you could only truly do this if you knew the alignments of players, and we won't bother with the 'well only scum could possibly know that' train because we're not children.i've done a completely accurate political analysis of the gamestate and if you and i are in lylo together, you know we're just gonna tear each other apart
so yeah let's do it now
Regarding Cy/Lalendra, consider my situation for just a second. Just a second!
Sky sees Dino massively favoring a slot (Sheep) for no reason, and vice versa.
Sky sees a slot with 3/4 of that psuedoteam all hardlocking a slot because 'random'.
Sky asks players what do.
Those players switch to Sky.
???
I think anybody with any reasonable amount of knowledge of the game state - or actually, a reasonable knowledge about how the game of mafia works - would want to question this. I also think anybody would question 'wait why would players who are barely posting, jump in to the thread JUST to switch their vote to the next popular bandwagon'.
So the reason I say that 'is almost true' is because even at this point I as a player can realistically change my reads and do interesting or strange things, even if we wind up going to LYLO with both you and I standing.
Meaning if you and I are just town raging there is an even chance at some point I will figure it out and go 'Wait a minute, what is player x even doing?'
However I don't believe that is true of the Dino slot, because as you say, you have 'analysed the political climate' and you also confessed that your partner and you are in hip synch for a random (not actually random btw) and arbitrary lynch.
In short your predicating that Cy must be scum if I am scum, and that Cy must be scum because he wasn't hammered yet. But there were six player slots that barely existed that could have hammered and switching it over to me for no reason better than you haven't got your hammer yet is, actually, fucking bonkers. In a regular game of mafia we call that 'opportunistic voting' and that is a scum alignment tell.
I am still reading I had a loooooong day at work but based on what I have read you and Diamond look inconsistent as fuck.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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First of all,In post 614, Sky_Paladin wrote:I guess there is one more thing. I think that town players ordinarily are not super confident in their reads. For example, I'm not town reading anybody. The strongest scum leads I have are Maths and Sheep, and this fundamentally began as a simple question 'Why are you guys townreading each other?' and went from there. So if at some point, Maths/Sheep revisit this and/or provide credible reasoning, a reasonable chunk of my push does dissolve. Because I'm aware of this I have at least floated the idea that scum may indeed be outside of the Maths/Sheep slots and am considering the possibility of yes, Cy/Lalendra could be scum, yes, Red/Hyrule could be scum, etc etc. I also do see indecisiveness in some other players, and to be absolutely fair one of them is Sheep, who has backflipped on their reads a couple of times in ways that I hate, but town aren't naturally confident because every town player has that secret nugget of doubt somewhere buried in their cold dark heart.
From time to time I expect to see traces of that nugget emerging and that's what I'm looking for when I town read players. I think townslips can be manufactured and scumslips can be misattributed, so I usually don't rely on them because often times I am wrong.
What I am interested in are sudden, unexplained behaviors - usually votes - or players influencing the game. The second camp I want to know can I trust this player because if somebody else has done all the hard work then I don't have to.
So when I see a player like Maths who specifically wants to avoid attributing themselves to any one thing, and yet is super hard behind a lynch of a certain slot - and uses an abstract case such as mathematics, or a WIFOMY case like lining-up-lynches - I don't see that towny nugget of doubt there. When Dino refused to look at sheep, it's because there's no need for him to do it - he already knows Sheep's alignment, and everybody who disagrees with him must be wrong. Not the intuitive "Oh, I see a player doesn't understand why I think x, let me explain to them why it is so", but actual totally ignoring that he was even asked, and even haranguing on me that I didn't ask properly as a justification for not doing it. This sense of entitlement, that they deserve a please and thank you, doesn't come from town.
These players are confident. They know exactly what they are trying to do. That confidence doesn't come from town who thinks they've caught scum. It comes from players who don't want to be questioned and don't want to have to explain themselves. Dino will happily engage on math discussion and talk with his partner or cut walls with me but he will literally not engage with any player in any meaningful way about game state and the reads.
I guess I'm having a hard time seeing that coming from town.
My case is not abstract. Abstract math would put everyone to sleep.
I asked simple questions and derived at simple answers. You’re not attacking the points you are attacking me.
And do you know me? As town or scum I get pretty confident especially in lylo now that I have taken a game and started it up and you don’t push inactive slots to get reads instead you judge me before you know me.
You can disrupt my argument or idgaf.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Wow time stamps too...I was using that as an example what NOT to do.In post 616, Toranaga wrote:
I believe redflavour's description of their mason thread because I 'know' manrock and the things redflavour said match with how I think manrock would act in the mason thread.In post 607, Mathdino wrote:
go join another open game, this is basically not even a real gameIn post 606, Toranaga wrote:
lol fuck you sidewaysIn post 601, Mathdino wrote:i mean honestly i thought "hating arbitrary lynch" was lowkey a scumtell but then my partner did it
so fuck me right
idk still think it's cy;lalenda and sky;theother dude
also I'm pretty drunk rn, I don't use to drink so when I do I get wasted
i'd be so depressed if this was the only game i was playing
my open is queuing up once Masons and Monks hammers
and yeah that's our theory too so yeah
what do you think of kop/momo/red/manrock?
I believe kop;momo for much thinner reasons, but I think the timestamp mentions, while fakeable, are pretty sound reason to believe they're town
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Ditto but I know Dino is town rotflmboIn post 624, sheepsaysmeep wrote:shit im not reading thatScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I am just curious. Diamond Sentinel has played with me enough to read me.
Yet he only talks Dino. Why? Because Diamond is scum.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I’ve been a part of games where mods mess shit up.In post 644, Mathdino wrote:
How did this hurt you?In post 632, MathBlade wrote:Furthermore don’t ever do what you did to me at the start of my replace in ever again. Seriously don’t punk your mason buddy like that.
I did that to try to reaction test Math/Math/sheep/Tora for the benefit of those thinking that's the team. The fact that I specifically scrambled those teams and none others is indicative of that.
Just don’t again ever. Like please.
Don’t skirt the spirit please.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I really think this is just a good wagon but I wanna study it to be sure. And that means not when I am cooking dinner.In post 653, Mathdino wrote:Okay cool last words of one townie is good to me. Now that that's settled:
@Mathblade: Couple things.
1. How are you reading this? On my phone
2. What exactly does Diamond/Sky/cy/Lalendra do in this situation to not get lynched? Why would I answer this when I already did before?
3. What exactly does Diamond/Sky-scum who's pairs with someone else, do in this situation? Already answered and I am not telling scum.
4. Should we just lynch cy instead? Why did the cy and momo wagons stay grounded while the Sky wagon has taken off? That is another option. I am okay either way. Mainly I need to do some comparisons and contrasts of the wagon for benefit of the doubt but it looks to be the majority of the same people.
5. So they're townreading us now (I think), which fucks the policy side of my argument. What does that mean? Nothing? Who scum scumread/townread is irrelevant once exposed. The reads help to see if fuvkups occur.
Edit: @Sky: "Letting the town do what it will" will just result in mafia doing a shitton of distancing. You know very well that scum would and should temporarily bus to distance in this setup. High stakes mean bluffs often work. It's like going all-in.
Luckily I'm in the business of calling all-ins when the odds are in my favour.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Uhmmm the last game that just finished I was scum sooo I didn’t read you and this is notably different? If you’re gonna say I suck be factual about it.In post 663, DiamondSentinel wrote:In other news, Sky, stop fucking wagon hopping. It's hard enough for me to deal with this wagon without you floundering here and there.
Anyways, VOTE: sheep. This is where my vote stays for the rest of the day.
(Oh, also, Math, would you stop sucking at reading me? This is 3 games in a row you've misread me completely)
I don’t see sheep being scum like ever.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Sorry been sick as a dog haven’t had a chance to look at vote history but the fact the DS wagon is stalling too is encouraging.In post 658, LlamaFluff wrote:Vote Count
DiamondSentinel (5) - sheepsaysmeep, cytheflyguy, Mathdino, Mathblade, RedFlavor
cytheflyguy (2) - Toranaga, Sky_Paladin
Mathdino (1) - DiamondSentinel
RedFlavor (1) - momo
momo (1) - Lalendra
Not Voting (2) - Kop, hyung
With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline for day one is January 25th 7PM PST in (expired on 2018-01-25 19:00:00)ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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The only differences are sheep Toranaga and cytheflyguy.In post 450, LlamaFluff wrote:Vote Count
cytheflyguy (4) - Mathblade, Mathdino, RedFlavor, Toranaga
Mathdino (2) - Sky_Paladin, DiamondSentinel
momo (2) - sheepsaysmeep, Lalendra
sheepsaysmeep (1) - cytheflyguy
RedFlavor (1) - momo
Not Voting (2) - Kop, hyung
With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline for day one is January 25th 7PM PST in (expired on 2018-01-25 19:00:00)
Cy obviously will never vote for himself.
Sheep would vote Toranaga but not cy. Need to see if sheep supports that being at the start of the wagon.
Toranaga is voting cy but not Diamond. Need to see if Toranaga justifies that.
Back to bed for me.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Wagon analysis and your partner’s wagon flopping looks like flirting with danger.In post 679, DiamondSentinel wrote:Anyways, game at hand. MathBlade, why exactly do you insist that I'm scum here? My wagon seems to have sprouted because Dino didn't agree with my sentiments, sheep blatantly OMGUSing, and then everyone sheeping him because shitposting?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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For example the wagon on cy.
Sky wasn’t willing to vote it before and I am looking for why and can’t find it.
Now Sky is willing to vote it yet doesn’t really push it. There’s words sure but no real “push” just a lot of vote changing.
The same thing has happened with cy’s wagon and yours.
I would expect scum to join/get intent if it was a town wagon. I just think scum were incredibly inactive and it bit them in the butt.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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