Open 564: Duck Duck Goose - Game Over!

[zMuffinMan]

technically unvoting isn't necessary from your pov since any scum team that doesn't include you has had the opportunity to hammer for a week now

[Riddleton]

Have you caught up? If so, can you tell me your scumreads?

[Micc]

Wow I didn't realize the game was stalling that bad.

No, Im not even close to having caught up. Antatole's hammer interests me the most right now. I can't find any justification for a scum read on saki in his ISO. The entire flash wagon doesn't really sit well with me, but I havent read enough to know if its justified (im guessing it wasn't).

[Micc]

For reference:

1. kibbles0515
2. Aegor replaced Ki-Gi
3. zMuffinMan replaced kyndy101
4. Micc replaced Ranon replaced chaoslord54
5. Riddleton replaces mcfriendly
9. Anatole Kuragin
10. ForWhomTheJellyRolls replaces Psychotropia

[Micc]

Okay, I think zMuffin is town, Riddleton is town. Both of their predecessors seemed shaky but I got a newb town read off of them, and having since replaced, they both seem to be on more solid ground.

I am still

liking Ranon for scum

based on chaos. It's really annoying that the slot is just kind of sitting there.

Aergor and Anatole both had naked votes on Saki (Saki did as well tbh) and all three of those votes happened with alarming speed. I am starting to think that one of them

might be scum. There were still a few days left and even though I didn't think Saki did much to act like town I think Saki reacted hella emotionally (especially now knowing that the role was town). It might have been something which he could have cooled off and come back from. But he didn't get the chance because he was hammered.

I still like Kibbles as a probably scum too

, but I'm really not a big fan of the quick hammer, I think voting him puts him at L-1 and I don't want to do that just yet. Maybe later. I don't even think Aergor has shown up yet today. I'd like to hear something from him before by some chance kibbles gets lynched before he even shows up again.

VOTE: Anatole

This really bothers me too. "I think these four people might be scum. Its ~24 hours into 7p lylo...so ill just vote and see what happens" seems like a terribly antitown play.

[ForWhomTheJellyRolls]

One of those slots, (yours) has been completely MIA, while my vote is on one of my scum suspects. If there was a quick lynch on Anatole I suspected it had to come from at least one of you two. I wanted to see how Anatole reacted. I didn't expect there to be a quick lynch, was it a risk, maybe, but this game is barely crawling along. I thought doing something was better than doing nothing. I like poking people.

UNVOTE: Anatole

I'm also not the only person to cast a vote this day, in fact kibbles has two votes on him. Do you think his slot would be better for my vote? Do you think Ridddleton or Anatole were being antitown with their votes?

There could have been a quick hammer there too, but this game has been really lagging.

[Micc]

I'm also not the only person to cast a vote this day, in fact kibbles has two votes on him. Do you think his slot would be better for my vote?

Not at this point.

Do you think Ridddleton or Anatole were being antitown with their votes?

Yes, but to different extents. Opening up LyLo with a vote is kinda anti town, but doing it after you express scum reads on over half the playerlist is excessively anti town.

There could have been a quick hammer there too, but this game has been really lagging.

But thats ok cause its going to make things easier for me to narrow down.
For example...if kibbles is town then riddleton and Anatole have to be scum. I'll be looking at him next, but right now im see kibbles as scum more than town. (Sheeping muffin's post from earlier toDay).

[Micc]

I wanted to see how Anatole reacted.

So now you get to explain what his reaction told you. Its funny how people always forget the important part of their "reaction tests".

[Riddleton]

Why am I scummy for voting someone in LyLo? Kibbles is pretty much confirmed scum in my mind. He's in no danger of being quickhammered. If he is town we would have seen a quickhammer by now

[Micc]

I suggested that it was antitown, not scummy. In the context of this game im not all that worried about it. Can you explain why you are so confident?

[Anatole Kuragin]

Saki played against town win-con

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

ranon slot NEEDS to die

[Micc]

There aren't enough lynches in a game to kill everyone who does something against the town win condition. Right now I dont know what to do with that flashwagon and hammer. Its obvious that there are scum on the wagon, im just trying to pin them down.

Id love to hear the case on the "Ranon slot" btw. Shouting that people need to die isnt going to get us anywhere.

[SMP]

VOTE COUNT 4.2

4 votes for a lynch

kibbles0515

(L-2) - Riddleton, Anatole Kuragin

Not Voting

- kibbles0515, Aegor, zMuffinMan, Micc, ForWhomTheJellyRolls

Day 4 ends in (expired on 2014-10-07 15:00:00)

MODNOTE

kibbles0515 will be prodded

[Anatole Kuragin]

VOTE: ranon

[Anatole Kuragin]

There aren't enough lynches in a game to kill everyone who does something against the town win condition. Right now I dont know what to do with that flashwagon and hammer. Its obvious that there are scum on the wagon, im just trying to pin them down.

Id love to hear the case on the "Ranon slot" btw. Shouting that people need to die isnt going to get us anywhere.

Look at everything chaos said. His ISO is the case.

[Micc]

Are you aware that you are asking me to ISO my own slot, or are you that ignorant as to what is going on right now?

[Anatole Kuragin]

Yeah, did you do it?

[Micc]

Thats not a proper answer to my question.

I looked at my role PM and it made a pretty clear cut case for chaos/Ranon being town. The fact that you dont even know the current player in the slot that you

want

NEED to lynch is mind boggling to me. The fact that you refuse to specify a specific case on the slot is evidence that you're just pushing a lazy lynch through. That could be town or scum but its a bad way to play either way. Please play better.

[Anatole Kuragin]

My mistake.

VOTE: Micc

[Micc]

Please play better.

Reposted for extra emphasis.

[Riddleton]

The fact that you dont even know the current player in the slot that you

want

NEED to lynch is mind boggling to me.

That's possibly the worst rebuttal I've seen ever. I hope that is sarcastic.

[Riddleton]

Can you explain why you are so confident?

I've already posted my read on Kibbles and why I think he is scum. But the reason I'm so confident with my read on him is because he's exhibiting textbook newbscum behaviour. He's been consistently scummy from when I first replaced in, to now, so it's not a one-off scum behaviour either.

For the record, I still stand by my earlier reads of Jelly/Micc/Kibbles scumteam.

[Micc]

The fact that you dont even know the current player in the slot that you

want

NEED to lynch is mind boggling to me.

That's possibly the worst rebuttal I've seen ever. I hope that is sarcastic.

Its not really a rebuttal, and its definitely not sarcasm. I literally don't understand how anyone could be that ignorant about the gamestate.

[Micc]

Ok, Im as caught up as I'll be so I might as well post my reads.

Scum
Kibbles: This is today's lynch. I think most everybody agrees, but I will explain if necessary.

Need time to work out (might be scum)
Anatole: I don't see town playing this reckless. Im going to try some meta work to see if its an ego thing.
Forwhomthejlyrolls: completely derailed the kibbles lynch Day 3 with Saki wagon. Waiting for him to respond about that other stuff.
Aegor: hardly anything memorable that ive seen. Was on my wagon and Saki's Day 3 but not kibbles. Something to look into if kibbles flips scum.

Still need time to work out (leaning town)
Riddleton: stayed of saki wagon and wants to lynch kibbles so no complaints there. Scum reading me, but I think its town.
Zmuffinman: not worried about this right now. If we get two and he's still alive then its worth considering.

[ForWhomTheJellyRolls]

Unfortunately I didn't really get much out of Anatole since he hadn't really posted after my vote on him. He also never got around to answering my question to him which was "What is your read on Aegor"?