Open 586: Playing With Elements~ (D7)

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Thanks for Modding Mala/Huntress.

Great game, really enjoyed it.

Town kind of started shooting themselves in the foot and I was probably one of the main factors for that so I apologise. Dodgy, you did well to last so long. At start of D2 it wasn't looking great for scum so to get to D7 is pretty impressive.

My reads were pretty bad this game as well which is always disappointing.

Regardless, really enjoyable game. Thanks everyone!

[wgeurts]

Good game

[wgeurts]

Mala, thoughts on the setup?

[guille2015]

I see that you thought of this setup a bit back.

My thoughts on it though are that this setup should definitely not have Flavor that indicate kills, unlike the Fire and Ice Open game, which improves gravely with it.

It also can be broken if certain conditions are met. (Which can happen to any Open) These conditions showed up this time. Two scum kills and no PR deaths. If that happens early in the game then a Complete reveal and coordination would work against scum.

However we were lucky this game as the SK killed one and I was almost Lynched day2 but miraculously managed to switch the votes onto the SK.

Good setup, here.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Town kind of started shooting themselves in the foot and I was probably one of the main factors for that so I apologise. Dodgy, you did well to last so long. At start of D2 it wasn't looking great for scum so to get to D7 is pretty impressive.

Well you had enough self-awareness after a while to stop quicklynching, especially after Vyse threatened to vote you in LYLO if you hammered.

[wgeurts]

Any suggested roles for the setup, I in the first version had a Fruit Vendor, this could be used to nerf tracker a little.

[Alchemist21]

Idk that a fruit vendor would really nerf the tracker as much as it would make another confirmable town.

It's hard to imagine how to make the setup less breakable because part of the problem was losing a scum member and the SK so early.

[Alchemist21]

P-edit:

You could give the mafia 1 or 2 Ninja kills to hide themselves.

[Xayzeck]

GG guys

BBT, sorry you missed me so <3

[Malakittens]

I'll give thoughts on the setup later on today. I'm falling asleepy right now, but I think it needs another test run before being tweaked at the moment.

[Titus]

I think the setup is breakable from Day 1. Massclaim puts the scum in a prisoner's dilemma. Perhaps a scum roleblocker.

[davesaz]

Scum should all claim PR, gives best odds on tracker results. I realized that too late, might have gotten in a couple more kills if I'd realized the plan was to lynch from the vanilla pool.

[Shinobi]

I think the setup is breakable from Day 1. Massclaim puts the scum in a prisoner's dilemma. Perhaps a scum roleblocker.

The Massclaim plan had a huge flaw by telling doctors who to protect. Had Alchemist hid his shot with the Earth protects, town would have gone nuts and probably quicklynched myself and wgeurts while he got off scott free and shot Vyse/Titus.

There were holes in town's play but mafia never capitalized.

[Titus]

Scum should all claim PR, gives best odds on tracker results. I realized that too late, might have gotten in a couple more kills if I'd realized the plan was to lynch from the vanilla pool.

If scum and SK all claimed from the PR pool, the plan would be to lynch in the PR pool not the VT pool.

[Titus]

I think the setup is breakable from Day 1. Massclaim puts the scum in a prisoner's dilemma. Perhaps a scum roleblocker.

The Massclaim plan had a huge flaw by telling doctors who to protect. Had Alchemist hid his shot with the Earth protects, town would have gone nuts and probably quicklynched myself and wgeurts while he got off scott free and shot Vyse/Titus.

There were holes in town's play but mafia never capitalized.

I think everyone thought flavor indicated kill. I was pretty confident you were town that point as well. The point was more to pair off who you'd want to see 1 v 1 if you died as tracker at worst if I was wrong about flavor matching. You were largely townread.

That also put a neon flag as to who the scum was if for some reason town mislynched you.

Then the VT pool would be back to one scum. It just would have moved a mislynch worst case.

[Malakittens]

Okay so thoughts on the setup:

Flavor shouldnt indicate kills.
I think the Game could have played out differently with actions going differently.
With a scum dying N1 and SK dying d2 it was super town-sided.

Tbh I think the setup needs to be tested again. I might see if I can /in back to the queue and run another test of the setup before tweaking it.

[Malakittens]

Although I really want to play the setup ;-;

[Alchemist21]

We can probably get another mod in the queue to run the setup and you could play in it.

[Wisdom]

I'd run it but it will take ages for me to get to run an open again

[House]

Okay so thoughts on the setup:

Flavor shouldnt indicate kills.
I think the Game could have played out differently with actions going differently.
With a scum dying N1 and SK dying d2 it was super town-sided.

Tbh I think the setup needs to be tested again. I might see if I can /in back to the queue and run another test of the setup before tweaking it.

Kinda hard to make flavor that doesn't have implications of elements of some sort. A notion you should have picked up on with poison, kitty.

[guille2015]

Okay so thoughts on the setup:

Flavor shouldnt indicate kills.
I think the Game could have played out differently with actions going differently.
With a scum dying N1 and SK dying d2 it was super town-sided.

Tbh I think the setup needs to be tested again. I might see if I can /in back to the queue and run another test of the setup before tweaking it.

The scum dying N1 and D2 was the winning key to this game. Town derping made it last longer. I think flavored kills should not be included.

[LlamaFluff]

wrapped up