Open 594: Stack the Deck (Game Over)

[House]

davesaz (4) Aneninen, texcat, House, Inquisitor
Inquisitor (1) davesaz
(

Not voting

) numberQ, randomidget, Reubus Swagrid
8 alive; 5 votes lynch.

That question went for everyone, more precisely for everyone else. Not for

Wgeurts

I mean, Davesaz.

Why wouldn't you want his input, considering the only reason it matters is if he flips town?

*paranoid*

[House]

UNVOTE:

[Aneninen]

Are you really paranoid at me?
Just check Random's claim, my one and the fact there was a Nightkill. I simply can't be scum.

[Reubus Swagrid]

Hey all, this game now has my full attention as my other priority game had ended. I'm waiting for the claim to come before I start actively posting. Sorry if my activity was bugging you beforehand

Paranoia is helpful, if I listened to and expressed my paranoia I may have won my previous game

Unless someone is confirmed there's no reason to not be paranoid

[texcat]

Aneninen is confirmed for those paying attention. The roleblocker can confirm him, though I see no reason for the roleblocker to out himself to do so.

[Inquisitor]

The only role we should coordinate is the tracker.

Random should tell us which unconfirmed player he intends to track, and that player should claim so as to not waste our track on someone confirmable, IE the roleblocker.

[Aneninen]

Hey all, this game now has my full attention as my other priority game had ended. I'm waiting for the claim to come before I start actively posting.

I've site-activity checked him and it's confirmed.

Aneninen is confirmed for those paying attention. The roleblocker can confirm him, though I see no reason for the roleblocker to out himself to do so.

Truth said in both parts.

Random should tell us which unconfirmed player he intends to track, and that player should claim so as to not waste our track on someone confirmable, IE the roleblocker.

It may work.

Whom should I kill? Any ideas?

[Randomnamechange]

I will track Texcat.

[texcat]

OK. But we may never get to night without a few more votes. Dave has 3 and Inquisitor has 1. House, Reubus, Random, Q? Are yall planning on voting?

[House]

Are you really paranoid at me?
Just check Random's claim, my one and the fact there was a Nightkill. I simply can't be scum.

How about you try answering my question?

[numberQ]

Alright, I exist again. Finals suck yo.

I'd like to start by thinking through the random claim, since he was one of my bigger scum reads. That requires thinking through the setup a little bit. Imo, random is only scum if he's not the traitor. Traitor!random just wouldn't know enough about the setup (like how many roles there are) to comfortable claim tracker. At minimum, that means scum picked two powers and thus town has four roles. RIP was the goon cop, so that's 1. Ane might be the vig, and Ane is not scum in this hypothetical "random is scum" situation, so that's 2. And scum could have found one n1 with the role cop, so that's 3. That means there's 1 mystery town role, and scum!random could not have known if it would be safe to fakeclaim tracker. Unless random has balls of steel, he's off my scum list.

I also want to look at the other claim, Ane's vig claim. I know I originally said it was too risky for scum to do that, but really it would be less risky to fakeclaim vig than tracker because scum know where the nightkills came from. However, after reading through his ISO, I still don't think he's scum. He overall seems very focused and town-motivated, especially post 500 which I thought was dumb before but on a reread I actually like. Suffice to say that Ane's claim isn't what clears him imo, it's his play.

This may be mostly redundant and everyone might have already worked through all that on their own, but I'm generally bad at setup logic, and it helped to write up this post so all my thoughts were in one place. Now that I have two fairly strong town reads, I'm going to look at dave since he seems to be the contested slot today. I never really had him as a scumread, but I'll try and see where people are coming from. What is the case against him anyway? I'm not sure I understand what makes him so scummy from his recent posts.

[numberQ]

Also, Swagrid, why are you waiting for a claim to start contributing? All I'm seeing from you all game is shallow posts and reasons not to post. I'm going to look into Swagrid too, the only reason I'm not voting him now is because no one else seems to think he's scum, but unless he starts actually doing something I'm going to build back up my case on him.

[Inquisitor]

@Anen: I'm not sure. Shoot an unconfirmed person I guess? I can't really come up with reasons to kill anyone but dave.

[Inquisitor]

Do we even have anything to lose from a massclaim at this point?

[texcat]

Do we have anything to gain? Are you trying to expose the roleblocker?

[Inquisitor]

Do we have anything to gain? Are you trying to expose the roleblocker?

Sure, why not.

Btw, random is checking you so you should claim just in case you're actually confirmable and you don't waste our track.

[texcat]

I saw that and said OK already.

[texcat]

And #Q, I agree about Reubus. He's definitely on my radar.

[numberQ]

I don't think texcat should claim until we're ready to end the day.

[Reubus Swagrid]

OK. But we may never get to night without a few more votes. Dave has 3 and Inquisitor has 1. House, Reubus, Random, Q? Are yall planning on voting?

Sure am, at this stage I'm intending to hammer but I'm waiting for a claim before I do anything. davesaz has been sitting at L-1 for about a day and hasn't posted for 2 so I'd like to see what he has to say

[Inquisitor]

I don't think texcat should claim until we're ready to end the day.

I don't see what the difference is?

[Aneninen]

OK. But we may never get to night without a few more votes. Dave has 3 and Inquisitor has 1. House, Reubus, Random, Q? Are yall planning on voting?

Townpost.

How about you try answering my question?

I didn't think that you needed a separate answer.
Firstly, Davesaz has already posted his reads. If he happens to flip town, those reads must be taken seriously.
Secondly, he's posted nothing since my original question. Do you really think that he wouldn't express any opinion just because I'm scumreading him?

I also want to look at the other claim, Ane's vig claim. I know I originally said it was too risky for scum to do that, but really it would be less risky to fakeclaim vig than tracker because scum know where the nightkills came from. However, after reading through his ISO, I still don't think he's scum. He overall seems very focused and town-motivated, especially post 500 which I thought was dumb before but on a reread I actually like. Suffice to say that Ane's claim isn't what clears him imo, it's his play.

Actually if you've read my recent posts you must know that I simply can't be scum.

However, it's strange that noone has realized that there would be another possibility... in theory. Even if it doesn't work in practice.
Random's result might have meant that I'm Mafia JOAT and I used the Ninja ability at Night2. In this case the scums should have three powers: Rolecop, JOAT – and Recruit. The only possibility for the recruited Traitor could be Jeanne (I couldn't be a JOAT as a recruited Traitor). But, that would mean five town-PRs; everything but Innocent Child. If this were the case, the Vigilante would have counter-claimed me and I'm sure that the Bodyguard would have claimed too after my post about the possibilities. (Also, there would be missing Nightkills from the "Real Vig", wouldn't there?)

This may be mostly redundant and everyone might have already worked through all that on their own, but I'm generally bad at setup logic, and it helped to write up this post so all my thoughts were in one place. Now that I have two fairly strong town reads, I'm going to look at dave since he seems to be the contested slot today. I never really had him as a scumread, but I'll try and see where people are coming from. What is the case against him anyway? I'm not sure I understand what makes him so scummy from his recent posts.

Also, Swagrid, why are you waiting for a claim to start contributing? All I'm seeing from you all game is shallow posts and reasons not to post. I'm going to look into Swagrid too, the only reason I'm not voting him now is because no one else seems to think he's scum, but unless he starts actually doing something I'm going to build back up my case on him.

Pretty empty posts with certain contradictions.
You posted that you'd ISOed me, therefore, you must have found my case against Davesaz.
You took much effort on speculating Random's claim then you said that you're bad at Setup logic.
Your observations about Swagrid are valid, but could be faked easily.
Also, don't you have any reads on House, Inquisitor and Texcat?

[Aneninen]

@Anen: I'm not sure. Shoot an unconfirmed person I guess? I can't really come up with reasons to kill anyone but dave.

Actually House and Texcat are out of my Death Note right now.

Btw, random is checking you so you should claim just in case you're actually confirmable and you don't waste our track.

I saw that and said OK already.

Texcat's right. Enough talk about this topic.

Sure am, at this stage I'm intending to hammer but I'm waiting for a claim before I do anything. davesaz has been sitting at L-1 for about a day and hasn't posted for 2 so I'd like to see what he has to say

Start reading the game then. Davesaz is not at L–1, because House unvoted him.

[davesaz]

I've been so busy at work that I didn't notice there was a question which hasn't been answered.

Davesaz, it was obvious that it wasn't the term that I hadn't understood. How can you have PoE reads on two players? That would mean, you have a townread on 5 of us. Also, your reasons are not strong either. Reubus is so-so, let's say, I wouldn't call his gameplay pro-town but Inquisitor is a pigeon poop case. Also, Reubus asked the same thing: why is he PoE?

I'm content with my vote.

Yes, that's correct. Reasons against me are equally bad. Reubus isn't cleared by the no-track that night given there was only one kill. Since I'm town and there is only one scum left, I don't find it unusual to have just two scumreads. Why do you find that unusual?

It's possible you're lying about being a vig. Mafia

could

have a ninja shot which would allow you to kill across a no-track. There haven't been any double kills to even confirm the presence of a vig. But the way you're doing it is confident enough that I believe you.

Could the tracker claim be false? I have to believe that a real tracker would CC in that case, can't think of any reason not to. So I believe that claim too.

[Inquisitor]

@Anen: it's up to you, really. Just don't shoot the guy we're tracking and it's probably fine.